ATTN: PRAGMATISTS

[The Good Reverend Roger]

rational discussion led to all this

Naw.  Talking about divination as if it were science led to this.

you tell me the relationship between science and the use of written symbols

tell us about the monkeys

Hush.  I'm focusing my crystal energies.  I gotta obtain Sartori by noon or there'll be hell to pay.

thats the equivalent of me teasing you about the shirt and tie you are wearing and your collection of Bel-Biv-Divoe CDs

You leave Bel-Biv-Divoe out of this, you heathen.

Sartori or bust.

[LHX]

What's the best way to deal with the Black Iron Prison?

I feel I'm missing something, here.

1. To understand the BIP, you need a sense of clarity in understanding what constitutes a bar or restraint in thinking.

2. The occult has no physical effect.  Belief in the occult is a different matter.

3. How do we, or why should we, differentiate between the occult and other strains of religion?  Barring an exceptionally rich and diverse mix of symbols, there is little difference I can see.

4. How do we understand the mechanisms by which belief can either be liberationary or reactionary?

this seems to be a accurate depiction of how things are being discussed in this forum

[LHX]

rational discussion led to all this

Naw.  Talking about divination as if it were science led to this.

you tell me the relationship between science and the use of written symbols

tell us about the monkeys

Hush.  I'm focusing my crystal energies.  I gotta obtain Sartori by noon or there'll be hell to pay.

thats the equivalent of me teasing you about the shirt and tie you are wearing and your collection of Bel-Biv-Divoe CDs

You leave Bel-Biv-Divoe out of this, you heathen.

Sartori or bust.

you can still preserve the friendship

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What's the best way to deal with the Black Iron Prison?

I feel I'm missing something, here.

1. To understand the BIP, you need a sense of clarity in understanding what constitutes a bar or restraint in thinking.

2. The occult has no physical effect.  Belief in the occult is a different matter.

3. How do we, or why should we, differentiate between the occult and other strains of religion?  Barring an exceptionally rich and diverse mix of symbols, there is little difference I can see.

4. How do we understand the mechanisms by which belief can either be liberationary or reactionary?

Easy.  You want to understand religion and it's effects?  Great.  Study monkeys at worship.  Don't pretend their rituals have any more power or effect - or have any more structure - than any other ritual (which is to say, they fool only their own adherents, and have NO effect on the rest of the world, other than as expressed by their adherents).

[LMNO]

More along the lines of:  "Be free.  If anyone tries to stop you, kick them in the Jimmy.  Don't stop other people from being free, but laugh at them when they stop themselves."

But it IS fun to blow shit up and laugh at the monkeys.  I won't deny that.

Apparently, it sounds as if us thinking about non-pragmatic things is an inhibition on your freedom.

Nope.  Please re-read the last sentence of my first paragraph.

Ah, so you appear think that us merely talking (not believing, mind you) about non-pragmatic things is hindering our freedom.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What's the best way to deal with the Black Iron Prison?

I feel I'm missing something, here.

1. To understand the BIP, you need a sense of clarity in understanding what constitutes a bar or restraint in thinking.

2. The occult has no physical effect.  Belief in the occult is a different matter.

3. How do we, or why should we, differentiate between the occult and other strains of religion?  Barring an exceptionally rich and diverse mix of symbols, there is little difference I can see.

4. How do we understand the mechanisms by which belief can either be liberationary or reactionary?

this seems to be a accurate depiction of how things are being discussed in this forum

No, it isn't.  Watching how monkeys behave when subjected to superstition is one thing.  Trying to discover the "process" of one particular superstition is quite another.

[LHX]

there is no connection between mind and body ANYWHERE

[Cain]

What's the best way to deal with the Black Iron Prison?

I feel I'm missing something, here.

1. To understand the BIP, you need a sense of clarity in understanding what constitutes a bar or restraint in thinking.

2. The occult has no physical effect.  Belief in the occult is a different matter.

3. How do we, or why should we, differentiate between the occult and other strains of religion?  Barring an exceptionally rich and diverse mix of symbols, there is little difference I can see.

4. How do we understand the mechanisms by which belief can either be liberationary or reactionary?

Easy.  You want to understand religion and it's effects?  Great.  Study monkeys at worship.  Don't pretend their rituals have any more power or effect - or have any more structure - than any other ritual (which is to say, they fool only their own adherents, and have NO effect on the rest of the world, other than as expressed by their adherents).

Actually, I'm pretty interested in why sometimes passive-aggressive religions (like Christianity) can create something like Liberation Theology.  Or like I mentioned with Dr Howl, how Taoism, with its conception of wu-wei, could produce agarian resistance to Chinese central control.

If we could understand how that works, then perhaps all of this recent discussion could have a use.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

More along the lines of:  "Be free.  If anyone tries to stop you, kick them in the Jimmy.  Don't stop other people from being free, but laugh at them when they stop themselves."

But it IS fun to blow shit up and laugh at the monkeys.  I won't deny that.

Apparently, it sounds as if us thinking about non-pragmatic things is an inhibition on your freedom.

Nope.  Please re-read the last sentence of my first paragraph.

Ah, so you appear think that us merely talking (not believing, mind you) about non-pragmatic things is hindering our freedom.

Where did I say that?  On the other hand, talking about how many Thoth tarot decks you own just sets my funny bone off.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

there is no connection between mind and body ANYWHERE

Spinal cord.  Owned.

[LHX]

What's the best way to deal with the Black Iron Prison?

I feel I'm missing something, here.

1. To understand the BIP, you need a sense of clarity in understanding what constitutes a bar or restraint in thinking.

2. The occult has no physical effect.  Belief in the occult is a different matter.

3. How do we, or why should we, differentiate between the occult and other strains of religion?  Barring an exceptionally rich and diverse mix of symbols, there is little difference I can see.

4. How do we understand the mechanisms by which belief can either be liberationary or reactionary?

Easy.  You want to understand religion and it's effects?  Great.  Study monkeys at worship.  Don't pretend their rituals have any more power or effect - or have any more structure - than any other ritual (which is to say, they fool only their own adherents, and have NO effect on the rest of the world, other than as expressed by their adherents).

sounds to me like you are describing a process

[LHX]

there is no connection between mind and body ANYWHERE

Spinal cord.  Owned.

somebody missed the sarcasm ITT

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What's the best way to deal with the Black Iron Prison?

I feel I'm missing something, here.

1. To understand the BIP, you need a sense of clarity in understanding what constitutes a bar or restraint in thinking.

2. The occult has no physical effect.  Belief in the occult is a different matter.

3. How do we, or why should we, differentiate between the occult and other strains of religion?  Barring an exceptionally rich and diverse mix of symbols, there is little difference I can see.

4. How do we understand the mechanisms by which belief can either be liberationary or reactionary?

Easy.  You want to understand religion and it's effects?  Great.  Study monkeys at worship.  Don't pretend their rituals have any more power or effect - or have any more structure - than any other ritual (which is to say, they fool only their own adherents, and have NO effect on the rest of the world, other than as expressed by their adherents).

Actually, I'm pretty interested in why sometimes passive-aggressive religions (like Christianity) can create something like Liberation Theology.  Or like I mentioned with Dr Howl, how Taoism, with its conception of wu-wei, could produce agarian resistance to Chinese central control.

If we could understand how that works, then perhaps all of this recent discussion could have a use.

And that's just great.  But trying to figure out the "underlying process" behind speaking in tongues isn't going to help gain an understanding.  THAT is what I am saying.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What's the best way to deal with the Black Iron Prison?

I feel I'm missing something, here.

1. To understand the BIP, you need a sense of clarity in understanding what constitutes a bar or restraint in thinking.

2. The occult has no physical effect.  Belief in the occult is a different matter.

3. How do we, or why should we, differentiate between the occult and other strains of religion?  Barring an exceptionally rich and diverse mix of symbols, there is little difference I can see.

4. How do we understand the mechanisms by which belief can either be liberationary or reactionary?

Easy.  You want to understand religion and it's effects?  Great.  Study monkeys at worship.  Don't pretend their rituals have any more power or effect - or have any more structure - than any other ritual (which is to say, they fool only their own adherents, and have NO effect on the rest of the world, other than as expressed by their adherents).

sounds to me like you are describing a process

Naw.  Needs more chicken feet.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

there is no connection between mind and body ANYWHERE

Spinal cord.  Owned.

somebody missed the sarcasm ITT

Yeah.  Someone did.