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Title: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: -Kel- on April 06, 2010, 12:16:50 AM
QuoteWikileaks has obtained and decrypted this previously unreleased video footage from a US Apache helicopter in 2007. It shows Reuters journalist Namir Noor-Eldeen, driver Saeed Chmagh, and several others as the Apache shoots and kills them in a public square in Eastern Baghdad. They are apparently assumed to be insurgents. After the initial shooting, an unarmed group of adults and children in a minivan arrives on the scene and attempts to transport the wounded. They are fired upon as well. The official statement on this incident initially listed all adults as insurgents and claimed the US military did not know how the deaths ocurred. Wikileaks released this video with transcripts and a package of supporting documents on April 5th 2010 on http://collateralmurder.com

Warning this video shows all of it. So, some might not want to watch. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0&feature=player_embedded)

Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Reginald Ret on April 06, 2010, 12:29:00 AM
I keep forgetting this kind of shit surprises people.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Juana on April 06, 2010, 12:33:19 AM
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=24741.0;topicseen

Already posted.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: -Kel- on April 06, 2010, 12:46:37 AM
Quote from: Hover Cat on April 06, 2010, 12:33:19 AM
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=24741.0;topicseen

Already posted.

this is what i get for not paying attention to the forum and actually working.  :argh!: hhehehehe
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 01:05:31 AM
I don't see anything improper, though I probably wouldn't have authorized the shots on the van.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Faust on April 06, 2010, 01:43:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 01:05:31 AM
I don't see anything improper, though I probably wouldn't have authorized the shots on the van.
Supposedly the van was media, but I'd want something to back that up.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 01:53:25 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 06, 2010, 01:43:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 01:05:31 AM
I don't see anything improper, though I probably wouldn't have authorized the shots on the van.
Supposedly the van was media, but I'd want something to back that up.

Why were there two small children in a media van?

More likely, the van was some poor slob who tried to stop and help.  That'll teach him.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Remington on April 06, 2010, 01:58:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 01:53:25 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 06, 2010, 01:43:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 01:05:31 AM
I don't see anything improper, though I probably wouldn't have authorized the shots on the van.
Supposedly the van was media, but I'd want something to back that up.

Why were there two small children in a media van?

More likely, the van was some poor slob who tried to stop and help.  That'll teach him.
Kind of hard to learn from something that involves death by gunshot.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 01:59:27 AM
Quote from: Remington on April 06, 2010, 01:58:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 01:53:25 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 06, 2010, 01:43:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 01:05:31 AM
I don't see anything improper, though I probably wouldn't have authorized the shots on the van.
Supposedly the van was media, but I'd want something to back that up.

Why were there two small children in a media van?

More likely, the van was some poor slob who tried to stop and help.  That'll teach him.
Kind of hard to learn from something that involves death by gunshot.

Oh yeah?  Will he do it again?
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Remington on April 06, 2010, 02:00:03 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 01:59:27 AM
Quote from: Remington on April 06, 2010, 01:58:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 01:53:25 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 06, 2010, 01:43:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 01:05:31 AM
I don't see anything improper, though I probably wouldn't have authorized the shots on the van.
Supposedly the van was media, but I'd want something to back that up.

Why were there two small children in a media van?

More likely, the van was some poor slob who tried to stop and help.  That'll teach him.
Kind of hard to learn from something that involves death by gunshot.

Oh yeah?  Will he do it again?
Point.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 02:04:11 AM
Quote from: Remington on April 06, 2010, 02:00:03 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 01:59:27 AM
Quote from: Remington on April 06, 2010, 01:58:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 01:53:25 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 06, 2010, 01:43:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 01:05:31 AM
I don't see anything improper, though I probably wouldn't have authorized the shots on the van.
Supposedly the van was media, but I'd want something to back that up.

Why were there two small children in a media van?

More likely, the van was some poor slob who tried to stop and help.  That'll teach him.
Kind of hard to learn from something that involves death by gunshot.

Oh yeah?  Will he do it again?
Point.

We Doktors have to learn to see these things very clearly.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: the last yatto on April 06, 2010, 02:05:19 AM
wheres that other wikileaks vs american government thread...
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 02:27:21 AM
Quote from: Pēleus on April 06, 2010, 02:05:19 AM
wheres that other wikileaks vs american government thread...


AE, I think.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Faust on April 06, 2010, 02:28:29 AM
Don't anyone click my twitter status about this
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Remington on April 06, 2010, 02:29:32 AM
Just watched the videos.

Fuckers. They opened fire on
1. Civilians
2. Civilians trying the recover the dead bodies of the inncocent men they just killed.

Laughing all the way, treating it like a fucking Counterstrike game. Chances are they'll get medals and an honourable discharge, although all they deserve is a bullet in the brainstem.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 02:33:55 AM
Quote from: Remington on April 06, 2010, 02:29:32 AM
Just watched the videos.

Fuckers. They opened fire on
1. Civilians
2. Civilians trying the recover the dead bodies of the inncocent men they just killed.

Laughing all the way, treating it like a fucking Counterstrike game. Chances are they'll get medals and an honourable discharge, although all they deserve is a bullet in the brainstem.

Innocent?  The lead guy DID have an RPG, and I counted at least two rifles while the dudes on the ground were walking.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Remington on April 06, 2010, 02:36:57 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 02:33:55 AM
Quote from: Remington on April 06, 2010, 02:29:32 AM
Just watched the videos.

Fuckers. They opened fire on
1. Civilians
2. Civilians trying the recover the dead bodies of the inncocent men they just killed.

Laughing all the way, treating it like a fucking Counterstrike game. Chances are they'll get medals and an honourable discharge, although all they deserve is a bullet in the brainstem.

Innocent?  The lead guy DID have an RPG, and I counted at least two rifles while the dudes on the ground were walking.
Alright, but what about the guys in the van who came to pick the bodies?
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 02:38:41 AM
Quote from: Remington on April 06, 2010, 02:36:57 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 02:33:55 AM
Quote from: Remington on April 06, 2010, 02:29:32 AM
Just watched the videos.

Fuckers. They opened fire on
1. Civilians
2. Civilians trying the recover the dead bodies of the inncocent men they just killed.

Laughing all the way, treating it like a fucking Counterstrike game. Chances are they'll get medals and an honourable discharge, although all they deserve is a bullet in the brainstem.

Innocent?  The lead guy DID have an RPG, and I counted at least two rifles while the dudes on the ground were walking.
Alright, but what about the guys in the van who came to pick the bodies?

Like I said, I wouldn't have authorized that shot.  The guys on the ground were closing in, there was no reason to shoot.

On the other hand, from a legal pov, there was no wrongdoing.  The guys in the air could reasonably assume the people in the van were trying to rescue buddies, not just help some injured strangers.



Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Faust on April 06, 2010, 02:48:27 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 02:33:55 AM
Quote from: Remington on April 06, 2010, 02:29:32 AM
Just watched the videos.

Fuckers. They opened fire on
1. Civilians
2. Civilians trying the recover the dead bodies of the inncocent men they just killed.

Laughing all the way, treating it like a fucking Counterstrike game. Chances are they'll get medals and an honourable discharge, although all they deserve is a bullet in the brainstem.

Innocent?  The lead guy DID have an RPG, and I counted at least two rifles while the dudes on the ground were walking.
I didn't watch the whole thirty five min vid, but people are saying that there were no weapons, there was a nicam camcorder, a tripod and a case.
To be fair they did radio it in
waited for confirmation on the weapons (whoever confirmed it is a tool)
and asked if they should proceed with firing.

Quote from elsewhere:
*kills a dozen people holding cameras, tripods, boom mics, curtain rods, fishing poles, golf bags, etc*
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 02:50:46 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 06, 2010, 02:48:27 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 02:33:55 AM
Quote from: Remington on April 06, 2010, 02:29:32 AM
Just watched the videos.

Fuckers. They opened fire on
1. Civilians
2. Civilians trying the recover the dead bodies of the inncocent men they just killed.

Laughing all the way, treating it like a fucking Counterstrike game. Chances are they'll get medals and an honourable discharge, although all they deserve is a bullet in the brainstem.

Innocent?  The lead guy DID have an RPG, and I counted at least two rifles while the dudes on the ground were walking.
I didn't watch the whole thirty five min vid, but people are saying that there were no weapons, there was a nicam camcorder, a tripod and a case.
To be fair they did radio it in
waited for confirmation on the weapons (whoever confirmed it is a tool)
and asked if they should proceed with firing.


"People are saying?"

I watched the whole thing.  I saw 2 rifles, and what looked a whole lot like an RPG.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Faust on April 06, 2010, 02:54:40 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 02:50:46 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 06, 2010, 02:48:27 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 02:33:55 AM
Quote from: Remington on April 06, 2010, 02:29:32 AM
Just watched the videos.

Fuckers. They opened fire on
1. Civilians
2. Civilians trying the recover the dead bodies of the inncocent men they just killed.

Laughing all the way, treating it like a fucking Counterstrike game. Chances are they'll get medals and an honourable discharge, although all they deserve is a bullet in the brainstem.

Innocent?  The lead guy DID have an RPG, and I counted at least two rifles while the dudes on the ground were walking.
I didn't watch the whole thirty five min vid, but people are saying that there were no weapons, there was a nicam camcorder, a tripod and a case.
To be fair they did radio it in
waited for confirmation on the weapons (whoever confirmed it is a tool)
and asked if they should proceed with firing.


"People are saying?"

I watched the whole thing.  I saw 2 rifles, and what looked a whole lot like an RPG.
could be, I cant tell, as I said speculation. There are no responses from the army
http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/security/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=223900094
there probably wont be.
The names of the reporters who were shot dead however are confirmed, but they could well have been with armed people.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 02:57:17 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 06, 2010, 02:54:40 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 02:50:46 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 06, 2010, 02:48:27 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 02:33:55 AM
Quote from: Remington on April 06, 2010, 02:29:32 AM
Just watched the videos.

Fuckers. They opened fire on
1. Civilians
2. Civilians trying the recover the dead bodies of the inncocent men they just killed.

Laughing all the way, treating it like a fucking Counterstrike game. Chances are they'll get medals and an honourable discharge, although all they deserve is a bullet in the brainstem.

Innocent?  The lead guy DID have an RPG, and I counted at least two rifles while the dudes on the ground were walking.
I didn't watch the whole thirty five min vid, but people are saying that there were no weapons, there was a nicam camcorder, a tripod and a case.
To be fair they did radio it in
waited for confirmation on the weapons (whoever confirmed it is a tool)
and asked if they should proceed with firing.


"People are saying?"

I watched the whole thing.  I saw 2 rifles, and what looked a whole lot like an RPG.
could be, I cant tell, as I said speculation. There are no responses from the army
http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/security/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=223900094
there probably wont be.
The names of the reporters who were shot dead however are confirmed, but they could well have been with armed people.

Sure.

Also, that house they nuked at the end was bullshit (reporters could have been there, too).  The one dude just walking down the street?  They didn't need to use a hellfire in an urban area, when they had the better part of a company of infantry right there.

So, yeah, having watched it again, I will qualify my statement.  I saw nothing I'd call evil until the last 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: the last yatto on April 06, 2010, 03:04:37 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 06, 2010, 02:27:21 AM
Quote from: Pēleus on April 06, 2010, 02:05:19 AM
wheres that other wikileaks vs american government thread...


AE, I think.

i was talkin about the other one not the double
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Triple Zero on April 06, 2010, 10:01:51 PM
Quote from: Faust on April 06, 2010, 02:28:29 AM
Don't anyone click my twitter status about this

fuck. I supposed this was some shock site or browser bomb Opera would be oblivious to. But then it wasn't :argh!:, oh well I guess you warned me.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Cramulus on April 07, 2010, 08:50:59 PM
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Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Cramulus on April 15, 2010, 04:37:24 AM
Colbert interviews Julian Assange... really good interview, Colbert hits him with a few good punches

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/260785/april-12-2010/exclusives---julian-assange-unedited-interview
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Triple Zero on April 15, 2010, 03:48:37 PM
I wouldn't call them punches :) More like "you need an opportunity to explain XYZ to the public? catch!" :)
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Cramulus on April 15, 2010, 05:16:46 PM
I dunno.. prior to that interview, I thought WikiLeaks was a bit more objective source of information. I did not realize that they frame the information so as to get maximum political blowback.

Colbert's shtick is that he's an idiotic bad guy - whenever he's congratulating somebody on a job well done, it's really a dis. There are a number of times in that interview where he says something like, "Congratulations! You've done an excellent job at misleading 2 million people."
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on April 15, 2010, 05:53:46 PM
Can't help agreeing with the doc here - pointing a camera (if it was a camera) at a fucking helicopter, in the middle of a warzone, is about as asking for it as you're going to get. From the video I'd sure as hell have waxed his ass if I saw him hiding round the corner of the building pointing that thing at me. Bear in mind that, in all probablility, the last time they saw that particular sight, they may well have narrowly missed being shot out of the sky.

War isn't about protecting journalists - it's about killing bad guys and trying to get as many of your own side back to base to fight another day. Blame Reuters if you have to blame someone - they're the ones who decided the best place for those journos was in the sights of an apache minigun, waving a big black weapon-like thing at it.  :|
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: LMNO on April 15, 2010, 06:17:58 PM
I heard it suggested that one of the reasons for the furor over this can be traced back to the Bush Administration's policy of witholding all footage and pictures of the Iraq war... We only see images of humans killing each other sporadically and covertly.  If we had been subjected to footage like this since 2002, we would have the reaction most military people did, which was, "looks justified."

Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on April 15, 2010, 06:27:07 PM
It's a symptom of the increased televisation of war. Before there were live feeds from every soldiers helmet the uninitiated public were more than happy to swill the official stories about glorious acts of heroism and brave soldiers putting their lives on the line to protect our way of life. Now the same public are only a gagging order away from seeing just how brutal and ugly that particular passtime is, in visceral high definition, with subtitles.

Nothing much has changed other than the fact that a whole bunch of people who have never been faced with that situation now feel qualified to pass judgement on those same brave soldiers, based on what they like to think they'd have done in a similar situation with the benefit of hindsight and an infinite number of annotated youtube replays.

You can tell by the comments - "OMGZ they was laughing." Like why not? - your job is to kill people, you have no contractural obligation not to enjoy your work. Most civvies can't get their head around this - that's why most civvies (myself included), imo, have no fucking business commenting.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: LMNO on April 15, 2010, 06:27:46 PM
That's kind of the opposite of what I was saying, but... whatever.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Cramulus on April 15, 2010, 06:31:01 PM
one interesting note from the Julian Assange interview...

he believes that the issues is not about civilians getting gunned down. It's that the order to fire was given before the weapon was identified. Nobody said the word RPG until after the journalist was shot.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 15, 2010, 06:36:00 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 15, 2010, 06:27:07 PM
You can tell by the comments - "OMGZ they was laughing." Like why not? - your job is to kill people, you have no contractural obligation not to enjoy your work. Most civvies can't get their head around this - that's why most civvies (myself included), imo, have no fucking business commenting.

Gallows humor is part of the job of soldiering.

But civvies ALWAYS have business commenting.  After all, we're responsible for them being there in the first place.  This isn't a moral issue of some soldiers laughing while they engage what they perceive to be enemy forces, this is a moral issue of why, where, and how we decided to use military force to resolve an issue.  Because it WAS us, at least in the US.  80%+ of our population agreed to that war, back in March of 2003.

And, given the nature and circumstances of that war, we hardly have the moral authority to get angry because some stressed and jaded soldiers made a crack or two.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 15, 2010, 06:36:51 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on April 15, 2010, 06:31:01 PM
one interesting note from the Julian Assange interview...

he believes that the issues is not about civilians getting gunned down. It's that the order to fire was given before the weapon was identified. Nobody said the word RPG until after the journalist was shot.

If you trust wikileaks.  There was some mention of them altering footage, back in 2007.  I'll search for the incident in question once I get back to my laptop.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Cramulus on April 15, 2010, 06:40:53 PM
according to the interview, they released two versions

- a short version with a provocative title, meant to piss people off and draw attention. It was not meant to be "objective journalism", but to raise awareness.
- a full unedited version of the whole tape. I believe the military has confirmed that this tape is uncut. Julian Assange says there are 20 minutes of missing footage which the government refuses to supply or comment on.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 15, 2010, 06:45:51 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on April 15, 2010, 06:40:53 PM
- a short version with a provocative title, meant to piss people off and draw attention. It was not meant to be "objective journalism", but to raise awareness.

Then they're no better than Fox News.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on April 15, 2010, 06:46:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 15, 2010, 06:36:00 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 15, 2010, 06:27:07 PM
You can tell by the comments - "OMGZ they was laughing." Like why not? - your job is to kill people, you have no contractural obligation not to enjoy your work. Most civvies can't get their head around this - that's why most civvies (myself included), imo, have no fucking business commenting.

But civvies ALWAYS have business commenting.  After all, we're responsible for them being there in the first place.  This isn't a moral issue of some soldiers laughing while they engage what they perceive to be enemy forces, this is a moral issue of why, where, and how we decided to use military force to resolve an issue.  Because it WAS us, at least in the US.  80%+ of our population agreed to that war, back in March of 2003.


No argument from me there but this is a specific battlefield incident. Call it friendly fire or collateral damage or whatever - it's part and parcel of what letting the dogs off the leash entails. The grunts on the ground, or in the air were simply doing what they are paid to do and the general tone of righteous outrage seems directed more at them than the fact that the whole reason they were there in the first place is morally dubious.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 15, 2010, 06:48:48 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 15, 2010, 06:46:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 15, 2010, 06:36:00 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 15, 2010, 06:27:07 PM
You can tell by the comments - "OMGZ they was laughing." Like why not? - your job is to kill people, you have no contractural obligation not to enjoy your work. Most civvies can't get their head around this - that's why most civvies (myself included), imo, have no fucking business commenting.

But civvies ALWAYS have business commenting.  After all, we're responsible for them being there in the first place.  This isn't a moral issue of some soldiers laughing while they engage what they perceive to be enemy forces, this is a moral issue of why, where, and how we decided to use military force to resolve an issue.  Because it WAS us, at least in the US.  80%+ of our population agreed to that war, back in March of 2003.


No argument from me there but this is a specific battlefield incident. Call it friendly fire or collateral damage or whatever - it's part and parcel of what letting the dogs off the leash entails. The grunts on the ground, or in the air were simply doing what they are paid to do and the general tone of righteous outrage seems directed more at them than the fact that the whole reason they were there in the first place is morally dubious.

While it is not wise to grab their elbows while the events are taking place, it IS wise to review them later (bearing in mind that they aren't performing these acts with the benefit of hindsight), and pass judgement on them.  An army without accountability is really just a pack of brigands.

Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on April 15, 2010, 06:56:26 PM
Couldn't agree more. Lets just hope the ones sitting on the tribunal are a bit more qualified to sit in judgement than the "OMGZ the bad man shot someone" - brigade.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 15, 2010, 06:57:13 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 15, 2010, 06:56:26 PM
Couldn't agree more. Lets just hope the ones sitting on the tribunal are a bit more qualified to sit in judgement than the "OMGZ the bad man shot someone" - brigade.

They will be.  Military justice is harsh, but more fair than civilian justice, IMO.
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: LMNO on April 15, 2010, 08:36:39 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on April 15, 2010, 06:31:01 PM
one interesting note from the Julian Assange interview...

he believes that the issues is not about civilians getting gunned down. It's that the order to fire was given before the weapon was identified. Nobody said the word RPG until after the journalist was shot.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/14/julian-assange/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-tells-colbert-per/

The word "RPG" was not used until later.  But the words "weapon" and "AK-47" were used prior to the order to fire.


Quote"There's one, yeah," says one of the crew members on the Apache.

"Oh yeah," says another.

"That's a weapon," the soldier says.

"Yeah."

Behind Noor-Eldeen is the other Reuters journalist, also with a camera.

But then the cross-hairs in the camera pan to a couple of the other men farther back in the group.

"Yep, he's got a weapon too," the soldier says.

The soldier radios back, "Have 5 to 6 individuals with AK-47s. Request permission to engage."

"Roger that...You are free to engage. Over."
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: Cramulus on April 15, 2010, 09:55:09 PM
hah! great find, LMNO
Title: Re: Wikileaks US Apache helicopter
Post by: LMNO on April 16, 2010, 01:02:07 PM
I am amazed at how honest politifact is.

Naturally, this makes me wonder what they're hiding.

:tinfoilhat: