BIP thought sketch

[Mangrove]

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aha!

thanks.   

[Mangrove]

silly - i don't know what happens when the big worm eats himself.

check out the 'books for bips' thread for more about the book from whence it came.

[Triple Zero]

Silly: whoa that cosmic map thingy of yours is quite profound, we should have a (possibly more stylized b/w) version in a BIP pamphlet.
It's still too early in the morning to get my head around, but does this image relate pretty much directly to some BIP subject, or to the Hadit thing?

Mang: Yours is very cool as well! the picture looks kind of suited for printing a nice glossy poster of and hanging on a wall. Though it would need your accompanying text with it (somewhere at the bottom), especially the explanation of the blue bit making up all the scale that's relevant for humans (cause i was already wondering, "why'd they make that blue? cause there's a mountain there and it looks pretty? why?").
Another thing that needs to be fixed is the units, why did they make the map in centimeters multiplied by a power of 10? Anyone with a simple background in physics is going to frown at that, because centi- already means 1x10^-2, in other words, they're using a double decimal prefix.
But I might have a go at adding your text and fixing the units to make up a poster this evening (no promises), if only so i can make a nice colourprint on A3 paper for my girlfriend to put it on a wall inside the university astronomy faculty

I agree that our discussion of the BIP (and Hadits) should be tried to limit to the blue section, if not just for the simple fact that only a small handful of people here actually have any knowledge about what happens outside the blue section (big or small), and for the rest it would -IMO- just become unfruitful guesswork, only waiting for -say- LMNO to come around and say "sorry dude, but quantum mechanics just don't work like that", or my gf to come and say "sorry 000 but just because the largescale universe (10²⁵) looks like brain/neural tissue doesn't mean anything cause you really don't know what you're looking at" :-D

Am I the only one who visualises the great worm finishing his meal but in reverse as a key to the creation of the monad from zero or has anyone else explored this utterly fucked up train of thought?

you mean the universe was barfed into existence??

(no but seriously, why not)

[P3nT4gR4m]

Silly: whoa that cosmic map thingy of yours is quite profound, we should have a (possibly more stylized b/w) version in a BIP pamphlet.
It's still too early in the morning to get my head around, but does this image relate pretty much directly to some BIP subject, or to the Hadit thing?

It's hadit all the way. But Mangs quite right - you should take hadit as being your whole mind to start with. It's much easier that way.

[Triple Zero]

It's hadit all the way. But Mangs quite right - you should take hadit as being your whole mind to start with. It's much easier that way.

problem with that is a bit that i already know too much about my mind.

not in a mystical way, but more in a complex adaptive network way.

i know that stuff like "consciousness" (and IMVPO "free will" as well) are emergent properties of the whole. D/N/T large highly connected networks of simple interacting components. at a certain size, a certain treshold is crossed and something genuinely new emerges from the network, something that is completely impossible to describe from the sum of its constituent parts.
this not only happens in my computer simulations of kaufmann networks or cellular automata but most importantly it happens all the fucking time in nature and reality around you.

and here we are, acting all surprised about it

it's just that - before anyone gets all magickal - the new thing will be at a higher level than the old thing, and this is *afaik* a one-way track, so as Mang said a physical man cannot fly, but thanks to his dreams he can experience flight.
this is a one-way track, meaning the physical man still cannot fly, but the higher-level functions of the man, for all intents and purposes, can.

anyway, what i mean is, as soon as i try to see my mind as one "experiencer", i'm sort of shielding off the knowledge that it is in fact the result of billions of little parts, ok i could do that but when i hit a problem when reasoning from that point of view, i will naturally immediately revert to the billions-of-little-parts interpretation, in order to see where it went wrong.

[LMNO]

This is the bestest sub-forum in all of existence:

Quantum physics
Astrophysics
Crowley
Kaballah
Universe as cosmic snake barf

All on one page.  And semi-coherent, no less.



Me lurves youse guys.

[P3nT4gR4m]

This is the bestest sub-forum in all of existence:

Quantum physics
Astrophysics
Crowley
Kaballah
Universe as cosmic snake barf

All on one page.  And semi-coherent, no less.



Me lurves youse guys. Cept Cybin He's a cunt!

Fix - It's no fun being pariah when you have to do all the hatin yourself 

[LMNO]

Settle down, cockgobbler.

[P3nT4gR4m]

  I wub you! (in a "kill the bastard" - sorta way)

[Mangrove]

[stuff Silly into a particle accelerator]

spiteful and relevant.

the cosmic snake barf pic came from the www.viewfromthecenter.com website. they have a couple of other really nice jpegs illustrating concepts from their book. i don't know whether they'd want my text stuck on their diagram or not..lol..(actually, check out their pyramid of visible matter pic for the  value)

still, it's a great book and a lot of it relevant to what we're discussing. the BIP project was based on the notion that the PD had good ideas but needed a newer expression. they're saying the same thing, only their intention was to create a cosmology that was scientifically accurate and yet accessible through a new set of symbols & metaphors. some of the things they say in the book seem like they're straight out of the BIP discussions we've had here.

000 - i would never have known about the double decimal problem you mentioned. from what i remember, they talked about scales of magnitude and explained them as 'x cm to the power of whatever' and used that as a unit to describe everything as small as a Planck length and as big as the universe. i guess it was easier than saying something was 0.00000000000000000000000000000000001m big or whatever. i thought they gave all the measurements in terms of meters and merely mentioned the 'cm' within the blue part just to make it easy to understand how big ant ant is. i'll go and look at it again.

[AFK]

I have to say this sketch has made me reevaluate my visual perception of the cells in the BIP.  I had pictured them more as separate but joined by hallways or paths.  However, what you have put forth makes sense too.  This gets more interesting all the time. 

[LMNO]

4-d honeycomb?

[Mangrove]

i relooked at the pic. 000 you're right, it is all in centimeters. personally, being a layman i didn't see that as a problem. if i had a science background, i may have.

thoughts anyone?

[LMNO]

If there's a possibility that pedantics will pick apart a minor point rather than deal with the main topic, they will.  Adjust the exponents by 2, and you're all set.

[Mangrove]

i like the chart as it is.

i'm bigger than an ant.

the mountain is bigger than me

the sun is bigger than me and the ant.

electrons are like, really small.

teh mang - came to physics late in life