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Started by Mesozoic Mister Nigel, September 23, 2014, 01:18:22 AM

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

If someone gives someone a gift that they did not ask for and do not want, was the gift really for the recipient, or was it really for the giver?
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


hooplala

Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 01:18:22 AM
If someone gives someone a gift that they did not ask for and do not want, was the gift really for the recipient, or was it really for the giver?

How useful is it to the recipient?
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If this is about the 30 foot length of squirrel tails I sent you, I'm sorry, I really thought you'd like it.
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Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 01:18:22 AM
If someone gives someone a gift that they did not ask for and do not want, was the gift really for the recipient, or was it really for the giver?

It can be an extremely contradictory action that mixes giving something selflessly that was chosen narcissistically.
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The answer cannot be given until the mental state of the giver can be assessed.

tyrannosaurus vex

Yeah I don't see any one size fits all answers here. It depends on whether the giver knows ahead of time that the gift is unwanted.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

I'm interested in some analyses from different perspectives, it isn't a trick question. I wouldn't mind some comments from the recipient's perspective as well.

Only two conditions: It is a gift that is both unasked for, and unwanted. Not necessarily offensive, nor even unappreciated in an "isn't that sweet, it's the gift that counts" way, but simply unwanted.

I'm really interested in perspectives here, this isn't a "right answer" kind of question.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Eater of Clowns on September 23, 2014, 01:20:29 AM
If this is about the 30 foot length of squirrel tails I sent you, I'm sorry, I really thought you'd like it.

:lulz:
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:20:25 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 01:18:22 AM
If someone gives someone a gift that they did not ask for and do not want, was the gift really for the recipient, or was it really for the giver?

How useful is it to the recipient?

It's unwanted, as stated.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Ben Shapiro

Give the gift that keeps on giving to someone else. Give it to someone who might want it?

axod

I give myself a Judas for Christmas, regularly.  It kills me to say they "work for me".  Really.
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Sita

Giving of a gift is always for the giver, as it is usually something one does to make themselves feel better (by way of making others feel better).
Now whether it is also for the giftee or not depends on if the person honestly thought it would be something well recieved.
Or if they are using it as something in which to have for leverage later ("well I've given you all this stuff and all I'm asking is for this one thing....")
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Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 05:59:15 AM
I'm interested in some analyses from different perspectives, it isn't a trick question. I wouldn't mind some comments from the recipient's perspective as well.

Only two conditions: It is a gift that is both unasked for, and unwanted. Not necessarily offensive, nor even unappreciated in an "isn't that sweet, it's the gift that counts" way, but simply unwanted.

I'm really interested in perspectives here, this isn't a "right answer" kind of question.


Well, if it happened to me, I'd be polite about it, and view it as the giver trying to be nice and thoughtful.  I'd also flag them as someone who might not be terribly perceptive, if they think I'd like the gift.




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hooplala

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Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 06:14:17 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:20:25 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 01:18:22 AM
If someone gives someone a gift that they did not ask for and do not want, was the gift really for the recipient, or was it really for the giver?

How useful is it to the recipient?

It's unwanted, as stated.

That doesn't really answer my question. A gift can be unwanted, yet still be very useful.

If the giver gave it, feeling it could be genuinely useful, it could be a genuine gift. Even if unwanted and unasked for. 

If it isn't at all useful, it's really up in the air, based on many factors.

Could you relay some other information so this isn't a pin the tail on the donkey situation for everyone answering?
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 11:58:35 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 06:14:17 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 23, 2014, 01:20:25 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 01:18:22 AM
If someone gives someone a gift that they did not ask for and do not want, was the gift really for the recipient, or was it really for the giver?

How useful is it to the recipient?

It's unwanted, as stated.

That doesn't really answer my question. A gift can be unwanted, yet still be very useful.

If the giver gave it, feeling it could be genuinely useful, it could be a genuine gift. Even if unwanted and unasked for. 

If it isn't at all useful, it's really up in the air, based on many factors.

Could you relay some other information so this isn't a pin the tail on the donkey situation for everyone answering?

What kind of information do you want? If it is useful but the recipient doesn't want it, isn't it a bit paternalistic and/or creates an unwanted obligation?
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."