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Started by Saint Syko the confused, March 14, 2009, 04:26:43 PM

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Elder Iptuous

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2009, 06:50:05 AM
Quote from: Saint Syko the confused on March 14, 2009, 04:26:43 PM
:troll: Is an artist that kills for art-sake an artist or just a dumbass with a twisted mind (I usually like a twisted mind but only if he isn't a murder what do you think.

ALL BOW BEFORE THE MIGHT OF DISCORDIA!!!

An artist that kills for art's sake is a murderer.  Only this, and nothing more.

And don't lecture us about Discordia, kid.

Oh, snap!
You gonna take that shit from some guy with IBS and a pipe full of frop?  you gotta lay down some dominance when you walk into a house like this, buddy!
Dooo eet.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Iptuous on March 15, 2009, 04:08:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2009, 06:50:05 AM
Quote from: Saint Syko the confused on March 14, 2009, 04:26:43 PM
:troll: Is an artist that kills for art-sake an artist or just a dumbass with a twisted mind (I usually like a twisted mind but only if he isn't a murder what do you think.

ALL BOW BEFORE THE MIGHT OF DISCORDIA!!!

An artist that kills for art's sake is a murderer.  Only this, and nothing more.

And don't lecture us about Discordia, kid.

Oh, snap!
You gonna take that shit from some guy with IBS and a pipe full of frop?  you gotta lay down some dominance when you walk into a house like this, buddy!
Dooo eet.

WHY MUST THEY TEST, IPTUOUS?
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Urraco

Quote from: Pope Lecherous on March 15, 2009, 02:12:04 AM
Quote from: Urraco on March 15, 2009, 12:37:32 AM
Best of luck to you in your endevors.

Quote from: potato on March 15, 2009, 12:35:27 AM
I laugh when art makes people mad.

I laugh when madness makes art.

(Van Gogh, Picasso, Dali, etc.)

and sometimes in madness the art is found in the process of making the masterpiece.  don't you agree?

Tru dat
Spørk, børk? Pørk!

OPTIMUS PINECONE

Quote from: Saint Syko the confused on March 14, 2009, 04:26:43 PM
:troll: Is an artist that kills for art-sake an artist or just a dumbass with a twisted mind (I usually like a twisted mind but only if he isn't a murder what do you think.

ALL BOW BEFORE THE MIGHT OF DISCORDIA!!!

     I know of artists who do artistic things with dead stuff, but may we have an example of an artist who kills for 'art-sake'?
"Sincere thought, real free thought, ready, in the name of superhuman authority or of humble common sense, to question the basis of what is officially taught and generally accepted, is less and less likely to thrive. It is, we repeat, by far easier to enslave a literate people than an illiterate one, strange as this may seem at first sight. And the enslavement is more likely to be lasting."   -Savitri Devi

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Urraco

Quote from: OPTIMUS PINECONE on March 16, 2009, 02:03:16 AM
Quote from: Saint Syko the confused on March 14, 2009, 04:26:43 PM
:troll: Is an artist that kills for art-sake an artist or just a dumbass with a twisted mind (I usually like a twisted mind but only if he isn't a murder what do you think.

ALL BOW BEFORE THE MIGHT OF DISCORDIA!!!

     I know of artists who do artistic things with dead stuff, but may we have an example of an artist who kills for 'art-sake'?

A person who kills is a murderer, whether it is artistic or not.
A person who arranges corpses in an aesthetic manner is an artist, however eccentric.

Lighting corpses on fire is cremation.
Lazy corpses rot.
Lazy people dystrophy.
Rotting is different from dystrophy in very few ways. If at all.
A person who arranges lazy people is called a celebrity.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2009, 06:50:05 AM
Quote from: Saint Syko the confused on March 14, 2009, 04:26:43 PM
:troll: Is an artist that kills for art-sake an artist or just a dumbass with a twisted mind (I usually like a twisted mind but only if he isn't a murder what do you think.

ALL BOW BEFORE THE MIGHT OF DISCORDIA!!!

An artist that kills for art's sake is a murderer.  Only this, and nothing more.

And don't lecture us about Discordia, kid.

Oh yeah, this. This is good too.
Spørk, børk? Pørk!

potato

Quote from: Urraco on March 16, 2009, 02:12:22 AM
A person who kills is a murderer, whether it is artistic or not.
A person who arranges corpses in an aesthetic manner is an artist, however eccentric.
to me this sounds like a murderer with OCPD.
everything I commit to print is protected by the copyright laws of the U.S. and I retain all rights, including rights to create derivative works, except where I have included reprinted content under the fair use provision, in which case the original author retains all rights, unless of course they've place their work in the public domain or under a CC license, in which case there are no restrictions on public domain works and CC works can be used under the specific license under which it has been distributed.

the above notice exists in case I accidentally ever say anything clever enough that someone wants to borrow, steal or otherwise use it in any printed form.

Urraco

Quote from: potato on March 16, 2009, 05:23:39 PM
Quote from: Urraco on March 16, 2009, 02:12:22 AM
A person who kills is a murderer, whether it is artistic or not.
A person who arranges corpses in an aesthetic manner is an artist, however eccentric.
to me this sounds like a murderer with OCPD.

:lulz:
Spørk, børk? Pørk!

Cramulus

I dislike the word Art because it refers to a class of things. sometimes I don't want what I do to be neatly categorized like that.

Like I put up posters all over my neighborhood. Sometimes someone sees me putting them up and asks what I'm doing.

if I say "I'm making art", every time they see a confusing poster, instead of living with that confusion, now they'll say, "Oh, it's art", and the matter will have been resolved.


Someone introduced me as "an artist" recently, which took me aback because I've never formally studied art, nor do I consider what I do "art". Even the digital images I create, I wouldn't call Art. When you call it art, people will compare it with other art they've seen. The piece will be mentally indexed very neatly. They'll squint to see who I'm influenced by and whom I'm referencing. And I don't want any of that baggage cluttering up my work.




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Unfortunately, as soon as it's out there, your work is no longer yours to pidgeonhole.

Roll with it

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Quote from: Cramulus on March 16, 2009, 06:21:06 PM
I dislike the word Art because it refers to a class of things. sometimes I don't want what I do to be neatly categorized like that.

Like I put up posters all over my neighborhood. Sometimes someone sees me putting them up and asks what I'm doing.

if I say "I'm making art", every time they see a confusing poster, instead of living with that confusion, now they'll say, "Oh, it's art", and the matter will have been resolved.


Someone introduced me as "an artist" recently, which took me aback because I've never formally studied art, nor do I consider what I do "art". Even the digital images I create, I wouldn't call Art. When you call it art, people will compare it with other art they've seen. The piece will be mentally indexed very neatly. They'll squint to see who I'm influenced by and whom I'm referencing. And I don't want any of that baggage cluttering up my work.

I know where you're coming from.  I think the same way on some level in relations to my music.  I don't really think of myself as a "musician" in the usual sense because I've only really been trained musically on one instrument, which I can't really play very well anymore.  The rest I've just kind of picked up here and there.  I tend to think of myself as more of a "sound sculptor" than a musician.  Of course, now I sound even more pretentious so I'll shut up now.   :lol:
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OPTIMUS PINECONE

Quote from: Cramulus on March 16, 2009, 06:21:06 PM
I dislike the word Art because it refers to a class of things. sometimes I don't want what I do to be neatly categorized like that.

Like I put up posters all over my neighborhood. Sometimes someone sees me putting them up and asks what I'm doing.

if I say "I'm making art", every time they see a confusing poster, instead of living with that confusion, now they'll say, "Oh, it's art", and the matter will have been resolved.


Someone introduced me as "an artist" recently, which took me aback because I've never formally studied art, nor do I consider what I do "art". Even the digital images I create, I wouldn't call Art. When you call it art, people will compare it with other art they've seen. The piece will be mentally indexed very neatly. They'll squint to see who I'm influenced by and whom I'm referencing. And I don't want any of that baggage cluttering up my work.





    I can understand/ relate to that, but I think 'art' works well in regards to certain things, just as an operative term. If you create stuff, at some point it will beckon for itself, a name. Or at least, others will want to refer to it as something. When being an 'artist' gets a negative shade for me, is when people insist on the label because they think they're special. It can be uncomfortable when I read a review of my music say, and the writer compares it to this or that, but it needs to be related somehow, so I just have to let it go. Not taking what you do seriously, although you NEED to do it for sanity & you enjoy it, is the metaphysical (heavy!) pleasure of "art". I once had someone introduce me to a small group of people as a "producer" (of music) and I had the same reaction, inwardly, as you did when you were introduced as an "artist". However, I thought about it afterwords and considering the audience being addressed, that label helped them get a general idea of what I did, so I thought, whatever, to them I'm a "producer". I don't really refer to myself with a label or title. I hate describing the sound I make musically when someone asks, but they do ask. One of my favourite music distributors/ labels is called "you don't have to call it music".
"Sincere thought, real free thought, ready, in the name of superhuman authority or of humble common sense, to question the basis of what is officially taught and generally accepted, is less and less likely to thrive. It is, we repeat, by far easier to enslave a literate people than an illiterate one, strange as this may seem at first sight. And the enslavement is more likely to be lasting."   -Savitri Devi

     "Great men of action... never mind on occasion being ridiculous; in a sense it is part of their job, and at times they all are"   -Oswald Mosley

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Quote from: OPTIMUS PINECONE on March 16, 2009, 02:03:16 AM
I know of artists who do artistic things with dead stuff, but may we have an example of an artist who kills for 'art-sake'?

I know of a guy who killed a guy by sneaking up on him and using a knife vice just easily shooting him.  Some people got upset over it, but ultimately he didnt get in trouble. 
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Why else would they call 'em con artists?