CHANGE you can believe in

[Jenne]

Can you imagine a world where the US military actually helped keep powermongering at bay and forged peaceful alliances?

Wow.  What a dream...

Twould be nice--realizing that attribute that we are all taught we as a country HAVE in those god-awful lying history and civics classes...

[Voodoo]

Can you imagine a world where the US military actually helped keep powermongering at bay and forged peaceful alliances?

Wow.  What a dream...

Twould be nice--realizing that attribute that we are all taught we as a country HAVE in those god-awful lying history and civics classes...

I never understood how "embrace freedom or we'll kill you" was supposed to work.

[Cain]

Actually, their role would be to keep US predominance in the world.  They would only be keeping other powerhungry countries at bay.

[Cain]

 

This nannying European socialist wasn't going to get involved, since it is US politics.  But since cheap slams are apparently in, that means I'm here as well.

I didn't start it.

I just get bored when intelligent people can't come up with a more subtansiable reason for expanded US military forces than "otherwise you'll be just like those weak pansy European socialist faggots lololololol", which is essentially what that was.  Even Charles Krauthammer, who is neither intelligent nor insightful can do better than that.

Apparently its badwrong to slam upon the USA (or even comment on its politics if you are outside the country, I am reliably informed), yet slamming other countries with wingnut talking points, and inaccurate ones at that, is perfectly alright. 

[Cain]

This nannying European socialist wasn't going to get involved, since it is US politics.  But since cheap slams are apparently in, that means I'm here as well.

But I like reading your political insights.  I just don't have the background for too much of it.  For example, I have no idea how the proposed AIG bailout will effect the US economy.

Well you can thank GA for my disinclination to comment on US politics.  Apparently, spending 4 years studying the politics of foreign countries and what could loosely be termed as the international system gives one no insight, ability or reason to comment on such events, and if you do so, then you should be slammed for it.

[Jenne]

Can you imagine a world where the US military actually helped keep powermongering at bay and forged peaceful alliances?

Wow.  What a dream...

Twould be nice--realizing that attribute that we are all taught we as a country HAVE in those god-awful lying history and civics classes...

I never understood how "embrace freedom or we'll kill you" was supposed to work.

Yeah, some people mistakenly see that as "carrot-stick," and of course they'd be talking through their assholes...

[Jenne]

Actually, their role would be to keep US predominance in the world.  They would only be keeping other powerhungry countries at bay.

Tr00f.  But hey, killl 2 birds with one stone?

I'm being facetious, I know, but I know there are so many more better things we can be doing with our military, and there's rarely a voice that nudges in that direction--they all either seem to say "kill the military!" or "kill the other bastids WIFF the military!"--hardly ever in the middle.

[Vene]

This nannying European socialist wasn't going to get involved, since it is US politics.  But since cheap slams are apparently in, that means I'm here as well.

But I like reading your political insights.  I just don't have the background for too much of it.  For example, I have no idea how the proposed AIG bailout will effect the US economy.

Well you can thank GA for my disinclination to comment on US politics.  Apparently, spending 4 years studying the politics of foreign countries and what could loosely be termed as the international system gives one no insight, ability or reason to comment on such events, and if you do so, then you should be slammed for it.

And yet, somebody like you is exactly who I want to hear from.  Somebody who is educated about how governments work and has the perspective of an outsider.

[Jenne]

 

This nannying European socialist wasn't going to get involved, since it is US politics.  But since cheap slams are apparently in, that means I'm here as well.

I didn't start it.

I just get bored when intelligent people can't come up with a more subtansiable reason for expanded US military forces than "otherwise you'll be just like those weak pansy European socialist faggots lololololol", which is essentially what that was.  Even Charles Krauthammer, who is neither intelligent nor insightful can do better than that.

Apparently its badwrong to slam upon the USA (or even comment on its politics if you are outside the country, I am reliably informed), yet slamming other countries with wingnut talking points, and inaccurate ones at that, is perfectly alright. 

Well, it's shitty that you get shit on for being the foremost authority on this stuff.  Someone--was it Payne?--said recently that "Cain forgets more than you'll ever KNOW about US politics/history, etc."  Bad paraphrase--but it's true.  And it's a great asset on your boards, even if people take advantage or fuck you over for it.

Anyway, ...fuck those who can't get it.  Or won't.

[Cain]

This nannying European socialist wasn't going to get involved, since it is US politics.  But since cheap slams are apparently in, that means I'm here as well.

But I like reading your political insights.  I just don't have the background for too much of it.  For example, I have no idea how the proposed AIG bailout will effect the US economy.

Well you can thank GA for my disinclination to comment on US politics.  Apparently, spending 4 years studying the politics of foreign countries and what could loosely be termed as the international system gives one no insight, ability or reason to comment on such events, and if you do so, then you should be slammed for it.

And yet, somebody like you is exactly who I want to hear from.  Somebody who is educated about how governments work and has the perspective of an outsider.

Then I suggest you take up the matter with GA.  My interest in US politics is apparently suspect (because, presumably, the political direction of a hegemon is of no consequence for any allied nation and its citizens) and therefore should be discouraged.  And since I'm in no position to engage in long and tedious flame wars, and indeed have little interest in doing so, I have mostly ceded to these demands.

[Payne]

This nannying European socialist wasn't going to get involved, since it is US politics.  But since cheap slams are apparently in, that means I'm here as well.

But I like reading your political insights.  I just don't have the background for too much of it.  For example, I have no idea how the proposed AIG bailout will effect the US economy.

Well you can thank GA for my disinclination to comment on US politics.  Apparently, spending 4 years studying the politics of foreign countries and what could loosely be termed as the international system gives one no insight, ability or reason to comment on such events, and if you do so, then you should be slammed for it.

And yet, somebody like you is exactly who I want to hear from.  Somebody who is educated about how governments work and has the perspective of an outsider.

Then I suggest you take up the matter with GA.  My interest in US politics is apparently suspect (because, presumably, the political direction of a hegemon is of no consequence for any allied nation and its citizens) and therefore should be discouraged.  And since I'm in no position to engage in long and tedious flame wars, and indeed have little interest in doing so, I have mostly ceded to these demands.

I'll miss the incisive insight, myself (and I think many others too), but you don't need to put up with the bullshit you got from GA for it.

ATTN Everyone else: we need to fuck with GA until she apologises and retracts her misguided comments and clarifies her position.

[AFK]

Cool, can we throw nB and Agrippa in for good measure? 

[Jenne]

Cool, can we throw nB and Agrippa in for good measure? 

*gots NO problem with that*

[Payne]

Sure.

We can create an omnibus bill and include everyone we can get the hivemind to agree on included.

I certainly would include nB and Agrippa on the list.

[LMNO]

There's a buzzing in my head, just below my left ear....



HEY, GA!  FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU XENOPHOBIC SACK OF SHIT!  JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE ANSWERS DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET TO SHUT OFF THE INFORMATION FLOW!




FUCKER!