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Started by Doktor Howl, August 01, 2011, 02:43:30 AM

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Quote from: Cain on August 05, 2011, 07:35:15 PM
I'm going to buck conventional board wisdom here and state that Obama, in fact, played a blinder.

First of all, I assume Obama is a centrist/right-leaning but socially liberal corporatist.  Therefore, it was his aim all along to slash public spending (his bailout was too botched to be anything but purposefully so).

Secondly, by playing "chicken" with the Republicans, he has sunk their chances of 2012 Presidential victory.  Check the stats

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/05/us/politics/05poll.html?_r=1&hp

QuoteRepublicans in Congress shoulder more of the blame for the difficulties in reaching a debt-ceiling agreement than President Obama and the Democrats, the poll found.

The Republicans compromised too little, a majority of those polled said. All told, 72 percent disapproved of the way Republicans in Congress handled the negotiations, while 66 percent disapproved of the way Democrats in Congress handled negotiations

When the blame game goes down in 2012 for how shit the economy is, it will be the GOP who will shoulder the blame.

And you just know this is all we're going to hear about during the campaigns. Not jobs, not the wars, not financial regulation...

East Coast Hustle

Quote from: Cain on August 05, 2011, 07:35:15 PM
I'm going to buck conventional board wisdom here and state that Obama, in fact, played a blinder.

First of all, I assume Obama is a centrist/right-leaning but socially liberal corporatist.  Therefore, it was his aim all along to slash public spending (his bailout was too botched to be anything but purposefully so).

Secondly, by playing "chicken" with the Republicans, he has sunk their chances of 2012 Presidential victory.  Check the stats

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/05/us/politics/05poll.html?_r=1&hp

QuoteRepublicans in Congress shoulder more of the blame for the difficulties in reaching a debt-ceiling agreement than President Obama and the Democrats, the poll found.

The Republicans compromised too little, a majority of those polled said. All told, 72 percent disapproved of the way Republicans in Congress handled the negotiations, while 66 percent disapproved of the way Democrats in Congress handled negotiations

When the blame game goes down in 2012 for how shit the economy is, it will be the GOP who will shoulder the blame.

I'll buy this.

Whatever else I or anyone else may think of the guy, there's little doubt that he's an absolutely brilliant political tactician.
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Some yahoo yelled at me, saying 'GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH', and I thought, "I'm feeling generous today.  Why not BOTH?"

Triple Zero

So, I can imagine that a lot of people won't vote for the GOP, given that

1--the candidates so far are pretty much the most stupid retards I've ever seen try to win an election.

2--apparently they're shouldering the blame for the economic collapse.

However does that mean they're all going to vote for Obama??

I can imagine a Republican with half a brain that thinks "well fuck these Bachman Cain and Perry idiots, Obama actually seems a pretty solid rightwing choice", but what's a non-braindead Democrat or even (god forbid) intelligent person going to do?

Obama personally appointed his financial advisors, right? His Wall Street buddies that are blocking legal persecution of the corrupt traders and other fuckups that've been made?

I know a lot of people have been saying "well Obama wants to do the right thing, but you know with Congress and everything he's basically being held hostage and cannot help against all the opposition he's dealing with" -- but by now there's more than enough evidence that this is simply not the case, Obama is playing a game, he knows damn well what the score is (duh he is obviously not stupid so I can't imagine that he became president and was all surprised like OMG they're playing politics in here? Now I can't get all my promises done! boooo), he is the Smiler, and his mask is crumbling.

So what are you going to vote for?
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Juana

 :lulz:


The Peace and Freedom Party? Fucked if I know. They have no chance at winning, but at least then I can say I didn't vote for whichever retard runs the cage for the next four years.
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East Coast Hustle

I was going to vote for whoever I thought would be the most hilarious option (in the context of the hilarity that would follow if they won) and was leaning towards Paul or Bachmann when I realized that the funnies thing that could happen would be if Obama got reelected in spite of all the screeching hillbilly asstards calling for him to be strung up. So I guess I'm voting for the smiler again but for all the wrong reasons.
Rabid Colostomy Hole Jammer of the Coming Apocalypse™

The Devil is in the details; God is in the nuance.


Some yahoo yelled at me, saying 'GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH', and I thought, "I'm feeling generous today.  Why not BOTH?"

Juana

I kind of want to keep my hands clean of that, I have to say. I know what the outcome's gonna be, but nevertheless.



After reading Rog's latest sermon, I feel like I ought to clarify my point: I feel it's my duty to vote. Like, I'm not being a citizen if I don't. I live in a shitty city in a shitty county in a state that can't run itself in a country hell bent on fucking over everyone in the whole fucking world because it serves it to do so, but I'm still a citizen and I should still vote because I'm letting the system win if I don't pipe up and say something. Peace and Freedom is saying something by depriving both the Dems and the Republicans of my vote while at least indicating what I'd like to see (I hesitate to say it, but at least message-wide they're a bit better than the Dems et al.?). I'm not actually starry-eyed enough to think they'd say true for very long if they got elected, of course (there's a multitude of historical examples - the Grange party for example), but at least they realize something is wrong and they say they want to fix it.

I'm probably still not clear (I suppose I come across as a little bit idealistic, which I'm not), but I have to get my ass to class.
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Nephew Twiddleton

I've been consistently voting for the Green Party since Shannon O'Brien won the Democratic Gubernatorial primary in MA (This, incidentally, was the election that sent Mitt Romney to the Governor's office), and Socialist if no Green is available.

Obama's going to win MA anyway. It doesn't matter who I vote for because MA always goes to the Democratic candidate. And yet, somehow me voting Green creates the potential for "spoiler effect."

So, I imagine I'll be voting for :checks wikipedia:

Sweet, Jill Stein's running. I might take part in the primary if I can then.
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LMNO

Jill Stein AGAIN?



:argh!:



Gimme someone I don't pity, please.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on December 12, 2011, 04:34:15 PM
I feel it's my duty to vote.

No.

It is your duty to be a walking glitch.  Your vote is simply one more tool in doing so.
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Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 12, 2011, 07:33:28 PM
Jill Stein AGAIN?



:argh!:



Gimme someone I don't pity, please.

Kent Mesplay is also running. Not sure when the primary is, if there is one at all.
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Cain

You can vote for whichever branch of the oligarchy most flatters your social biases and cultural leanings, because, really, it doesn't matter a damn.  Wall Street ownership of the executive and legislative branch will not change.  The retarded one step forward, 15,000 steps back approach to empire building will not be curtailed.  War with Iran will still be on the cards.  The NSA will still ask you "a/s/l?" in the chatrooms, despite having CCTV installed on your actual nose.  Politics will still be a game played at by upper class media pundits with Harvard degrees, political/media legacies, or both, and everyone else will get ground into paste for your robotic shock-troopers to feed off, as they fly to invade East Turkmenistan.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Cain on December 12, 2011, 07:55:46 PM
You can vote for whichever branch of the oligarchy most flatters your social biases and cultural leanings, because, really, it doesn't matter a damn.  Wall Street ownership of the executive and legislative branch will not change.  The retarded one step forward, 15,000 steps back approach to empire building will not be curtailed.  War with Iran will still be on the cards.  The NSA will still ask you "a/s/l?" in the chatrooms, despite having CCTV installed on your actual nose.  Politics will still be a game played at by upper class media pundits with Harvard degrees, political/media legacies, or both, and everyone else will get ground into paste for your robotic shock-troopers to feed off, as they fly to invade East Turkmenistan.

That.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

So how do I chose vote?




I'm 76.9% serious, because this broken system is still better than any system currently employed for choosing a government than I can think of right now.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 12, 2011, 07:58:11 PM
So how do I chose vote?




I'm 76.9% serious, because this broken system is still better than any system currently employed for choosing a government than I can think of right now.

Use whatever criteria you like.  As Cain says, it won't make any difference.

I'm voting for The Smiler, because I'd really like to see fat teabaggers lose their damn minds some more.  Left wingers aren't nearly as funny in defeat.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.