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Kai

Quote from: Reverend Uncle BadTouch on August 14, 2008, 08:01:04 PM

Buddhism is essentially an atheistic religion; at least it's one where believing in gods is not a part of the mainstream belief.


Buddhism is not athiestic. An athiestic religion would require nonbelief in gods. Instead, Buddhism is nonthiestic, meaning that the Buddha had nothing more to say about gods than that they were unable to help us with our enlightenment. He actually encouraged people to practice their own religions along with his teachings (told someone who asked what they should do to be with Brahma(god) when they die, and he gave the teaching of the Bramhavadas, the four immesurable minds). In fact, I don't even consider classical Buddhism a religion, because religions by nature contain some sort of dogma that must be followed. In Buddhism there are several warnings against teachers, and one is taught to examine the teachings in order to understand if they work or not. The Buddha didn't require anyone to believe anything, that wasn't what he was trying to achieve; rather, he wished to free all beings from suffering, found a way to do that, and found a way to share that message with people.

Why haven't you gone away yet?
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Quote from: Kai on August 18, 2008, 02:47:58 PM
Quote from: Reverend Uncle BadTouch on August 14, 2008, 08:01:04 PM

Buddhism is essentially an atheistic religion; at least it's one where believing in gods is not a part of the mainstream belief.


Buddhism is not athiestic. An athiestic religion would require nonbelief in gods. Instead, Buddhism is nonthiestic, meaning that the Buddha had nothing more to say about gods than that they were unable to help us with our enlightenment. He actually encouraged people to practice their own religions along with his teachings (told someone who asked what they should do to be with Brahma(god) when they die, and he gave the teaching of the Bramhavadas, the four immesurable minds). In fact, I don't even consider classical Buddhism a religion, because religions by nature contain some sort of dogma that must be followed. In Buddhism there are several warnings against teachers, and one is taught to examine the teachings in order to understand if they work or not. The Buddha didn't require anyone to believe anything, that wasn't what he was trying to achieve; rather, he wished to free all beings from suffering, found a way to do that, and found a way to share that message with people.

Why haven't you gone away yet?

You don't think Buddhism has dogma?

:lol:

What rock have you been living under and would you like your steak rare?

Perhaps with a side of lamb chops?

Why does every Dalai Llama always end up having a dick?

Also, there are so many better reasons to pick at LS for, you're going to get into semantics?

I thought you fuckin HATED semantics.

Finally, I've heard Buddhist teachers mock belief in gods and empty rituals then turn around and yammer about Gotama "the enlightened one" like he wasn't just another huckster selling the Correct Way to Live™ and decry any meditation that ever so slightly modifies the Correct Way to Meditate™.

I like you dude, but come on.
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hooplala

I think Kai was referring to how Buddhism was set up, not what its become now.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞

Quote from: Hoopla on August 18, 2008, 05:07:14 PM
I think Kai was referring to how Buddhism was set up, not what its become now.

I think Kai is fully capable of speaking for himself.

How do you think Buddhism was set up?
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hooplala

Quote from: Netaungrot on August 18, 2008, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on August 18, 2008, 05:07:14 PM
I think Kai was referring to how Buddhism was set up, not what its become now.

I think Kai is fully capable of speaking for himself.

How do you think Buddhism was set up?

It had something to do with E-meters and auditing, didn't it?
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Shibboleet The Annihilator

Quote from: ten ton mantis on August 17, 2008, 03:02:26 PM
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hooplala

Shouldn't you be waiting until Uncle BadTouch responds to post that?

"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞

Quote from: Hoopla on August 18, 2008, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on August 18, 2008, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on August 18, 2008, 05:07:14 PM
I think Kai was referring to how Buddhism was set up, not what its become now.

I think Kai is fully capable of speaking for himself.

How do you think Buddhism was set up?

It had something to do with E-meters and auditing, didn't it?

How about you smash your dickhead with a mallet, it's not as bad as dunking it in a tank full of wild piranas.
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hooplala

Quote from: Netaungrot on August 18, 2008, 06:35:44 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on August 18, 2008, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on August 18, 2008, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on August 18, 2008, 05:07:14 PM
I think Kai was referring to how Buddhism was set up, not what its become now.

I think Kai is fully capable of speaking for himself.

How do you think Buddhism was set up?

It had something to do with E-meters and auditing, didn't it?

How about you smash your dickhead with a mallet, it's not as bad as dunking it in a tank full of wild piranas.


:tao&evt:
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞

Quote from: Hoopla on August 18, 2008, 06:50:43 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on August 18, 2008, 06:35:44 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on August 18, 2008, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on August 18, 2008, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on August 18, 2008, 05:07:14 PM
I think Kai was referring to how Buddhism was set up, not what its become now.

I think Kai is fully capable of speaking for himself.

How do you think Buddhism was set up?

It had something to do with E-meters and auditing, didn't it?

How about you smash your dickhead with a mallet, it's not as bad as dunking it in a tank full of wild piranas.


:tao&evt:

:monkeydance:
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hooplala

"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

AFK

Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

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Kai

Quote from: Netaungrot on August 18, 2008, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on August 18, 2008, 05:07:14 PM
I think Kai was referring to how Buddhism was set up, not what its become now.

I think Kai is fully capable of speaking for himself.

How do you think Buddhism was set up?

Did you not note where I said Classical Buddhism? I meant the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama taken in their original contexts, not the esoterica of modern followings, not the reincarnation of Lamas or tantra or even Zen Koans.

Someone smart points to the moon and people look at his finger, and then their own fingers, and then they start killing or discriminating against anyone whos fingers look different. Its the general progression of any philosophical path in history.
If there is magic on this planet, it is contained in water. --Loren Eisley, The Immense Journey

Her Royal Majesty's Chief of Insect Genitalia Dissection
Grand Visser of the Six Legged Class
Chanticleer of the Holometabola Clade Church, Diptera Parish

ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞

Quote from: Kai on August 18, 2008, 07:37:03 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on August 18, 2008, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on August 18, 2008, 05:07:14 PM
I think Kai was referring to how Buddhism was set up, not what its become now.

I think Kai is fully capable of speaking for himself.

How do you think Buddhism was set up?

Did you not note where I said Classical Buddhism? I meant the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama taken in their original contexts, not the esoterica of modern followings, not the reincarnation of Lamas or tantra or even Zen Koans.

Someone smart points to the moon and people look at his finger, and then their own fingers, and then they start killing or discriminating against anyone whos fingers look different. Its the general progression of any philosophical path in history.

Links, pls.

Because all I see in buddhism is a bunch of people claiming their sect is the true contextualization of Gotama's teachings.

What makes your claim more valid?
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