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#4786
Quote from: Nigel on November 13, 2010, 06:22:23 AM
Quote from: Faust on November 13, 2010, 04:31:45 AM
While yes, Slippery slope is one of the classical logical fallacy's, I don't agree with you.

The Marquis De Sade's 120 days in Sodom contains material far far worse then this and is considered a classic. Its grotesque and awful, but sometimes we need that feeling of outrage in order to do the right thing.

How about medical manuals that detail abortion procedures?

Abortion isn't illegal NOW. But it could easily become illegal again in the US, and a law that banned the pedophile handbook would likely also ban any book that explained abortion procedures, in that case.

Um, that's what I  said, I'm completely against banning it. Its a necessary horror and draws attention to a nasty social problem that seems to get neglected.
Its just that slippery slope phrase is the logical fallacy, the problem may be there but there are better ways to address it.
#4787
Quote from: Ratatosk on November 11, 2010, 09:25:34 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 11, 2010, 09:04:42 PM
Amazon pulled it due to boycott threats.

Which is a perfect example of Freedom of Speech in action!

Its so rare that our system works in any way shape or form that I'm taking some joy in this. I'm sure it will be a long time before it happens again ;-)

I don't see and difference between boycot threats and government intervention being used to pull the book. Mob rule on different scales is all.
#4788
Quote from: E.O.T. on November 13, 2010, 04:38:18 AM
Quote from: Faust on November 13, 2010, 04:31:45 AM
While yes, Slippery slope is one of the classical logical fallacy's, I don't agree with you.

The Marquis De Sade's 120 days in Sodom contains material far far better than this and is a literary and human sexuality classic. Sometimes we need that. In DeSade's case, we needed it. This other book sounds stupid.

The acts depicted in the book were far far worse. Though I agree that this book sounds stupid.
#4789
While yes, Slippery slope is one of the classical logical fallacy's, I don't agree with you.

The Marquis De Sade's 120 days in Sodom contains material far far worse then this and is considered a classic. Its grotesque and awful, but sometimes we need that feeling of outrage in order to do the right thing.
#4790
Not in it, welcome to the shitlist.
#4791
Two vast and trunkless legs of stone / Re: will this post
November 07, 2010, 04:56:33 PM
I'm on my phone.
I have a reason for removing it, I'm sorry that drama started at the bar and grill.
As someone who understands the irl issues that can arise and sucks to deal with I hope that's enough of a reason for now.
To clarify in response to the thread no member here is getting a pi following them. Let's drop this for now.

Also my phone will show me as online all the time.
#4792
Quote from: E.O.T. on November 07, 2010, 04:11:15 AM
Quote from: Faust on November 07, 2010, 02:36:36 AM
Ohh Looks interesting, I must give it a look.

Madame Xanadu is ending on the next issue. I'm heartbroken.

REALLY!!

          I'm bummed too, matt wagner was just letting loose!! i wanna find him, buy him a drink, and explain why it's a mistake to throw away zorro and madame xanadu over this green hornet business!!

Bleeding cool reported the reason for it being axed is that DC want all the characters that started in DC and went to Vertigo to return. I think its a double edged thing, while I will enjoy the return of swamp thing, killing MX (best new series of 2009 according to some), is just a spiteful stupid move.
#4793
Ohh Looks interesting, I must give it a look.

Madame Xanadu is ending on the next issue. I'm heartbroken.
#4794
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Ireland is officially fucked
November 07, 2010, 12:01:51 AM
Quote from: Nigel on November 06, 2010, 07:58:23 PM
I think food for the poor sounds like a good starting point... as long as it's a starting point and not a band-aid for a problem they plan to otherwise ignore.

They are cutting 15 billion from the budget. The automatic medical card rights of older people and people with conditions (I have asthema so this hits me) are being revoked, they are means testing everyone. College registration fees are doubling, social welfare is being cut but being completely removed for anyone under 23 (they expect people to live at home).
We have the most frightening budget we've ever had coming up. But Europe have basically said they are going to start pumping investment into the country once we can get stabilised.
We're worth too much to them politically because we still have:

Really good terms with china,
A clean political slate (comparatively),
Good education system.

Basically Ireland opens a lot of doors that are closed to England France and Germany because of our neutrality.

That and they are using us as a Patient Zero test case on how to get a country up and running again after a huge bank collapse because all the others just sort of stumbled out of it themselves.
#4795
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Ireland is officially fucked
November 06, 2010, 07:26:48 PM
It's worse then that and more complex. The current government actually have to work now, something we haven't seen in decades. While the cheese thing is a small gesture it's stuff like that that will gradually build the country up again.
#4796
Principia Discussion / Re: Discordian... BDSM?
November 06, 2010, 06:20:15 PM
You should tell her, same thing happened to me when I got some music off my housemate, he had no idea because Linux will play those no bother. She mightn't be aware.
#4797
I removed the word filter before this thread was made.

...Oh. you should get that checked out.

Also youtube got pruned.
#4798
Literate Chaotic / Re: The Invisibles, by Grant Morrison
November 04, 2010, 12:39:21 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 04, 2010, 03:00:19 AM
I'd say to myself or whoever I was with, 'It'll look good in the biography.' and then I'd go ahead and do whatever daft thing it was - like taking acid on the sacred mesa or doing the bungee-jump, getting the haircut, dancing with the stranger, talking to the crowd - whatever I was 'scared' of mostly, or fancied doing, or never dared before, I'd try it on the basis that it would make for a more interesting read one day. (2004) [16]


When Nietzsche said God is dead, he forgot to mention that Satan died in the same horrific accident. [17]


Otherwise, I know I'm often wasting my breath and electronic ink saying this, but the "real-world" is a pretty weird place where lots of inexplicable things happen all the time, and I like to catch the flavor of that too. It just seems more modern and authentic to me as a storyteller. The "real world" doesn't come with the neat thee-act structures and resolutions we love to impose on it, and if repeated doses of movie and TV-storytelling have convinced anyone that it does, it's time to get out and about a bit. The real world is filled with ghost stories, non sequiturs, inexplicable mysteries, dead ends and absurdities, and I think it's cool to season our comfortable fictions with at least a little taste of what actual reality is like. [18]



Goddam, Gmo rocks.
#4799
Techmology and Scientism / Re: Smartphones and IP.
November 03, 2010, 10:08:11 PM
Quote from: Alty on November 03, 2010, 09:09:32 PM
For example the post and the OP don't have the phone symbol but I am in fact posting from my phone in both instances.

Smf recognises some smart phones (Suu always shows up with a phone icon by her post when she is using it).
It probably doesn't work for all of them.
#4800
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 03, 2010, 11:56:21 AM
oh dear .. word filters are a slippery slope ... ;-)

No they're not, when they are used sparingly and only for obnoxious reasons.