Help me understand the tea party

[Doktor Howl]

Or Muslims, or a fuckload of other things...

You'll find people with those beliefs in quite a few political blocks other than the Tea Party.

True, and those people suck too. But a racist person who supports moveon, for example, is a fluke, while this shit is what DEFINES the Tea Party.

The religiously intolerant are not somehow relegated only to the Tea Party.  Neither are immigration policies based entirely on racism, but ARE certainly very based in nationalism.

Compare the Mexican border to the Canadian border. Racism.

Nationalism is bad too, though, it's for nazis.

But ok, which Tea Party organization are you talking about, and please to provide links to support these positions.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tea+party+bigotry

If Canadians were impoverished and pouring across the border, I argue that you'd see a similar reaction.  Granted, maybe not with the same fervor.  But similarity of language goes a lot more to engender bias against another nationality than it gets credit for in popular discourse.  Just look at Quebecois vs the rest of Canada.  Same skin colors, but a bias against based in linguistic differences.  Of course there are racists who judge only on skin color, but when clear communication can occur between people you find communities where skin color is less of an issue.  

Normally, I'd buy that explanation, but I live in the state whose teabaggers passed SB1072.   

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Or Muslims, or a fuckload of other things...

You'll find people with those beliefs in quite a few political blocks other than the Tea Party.

True, and those people suck too. But a racist person who supports moveon, for example, is a fluke, while this shit is what DEFINES the Tea Party.

The religiously intolerant are not somehow relegated only to the Tea Party.  Neither are immigration policies based entirely on racism, but ARE certainly very based in nationalism.

Compare the Mexican border to the Canadian border. Racism.

Nationalism is bad too, though, it's for nazis.

But ok, which Tea Party organization are you talking about, and please to provide links to support these positions.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tea+party+bigotry

If Canadians were impoverished and pouring across the border, I argue that you'd see a similar reaction.  Granted, maybe not with the same fervor.  But difference of language goes a lot more to engender bias against another nationality than it gets credit for in popular discourse.  Just look at Quebecois vs the rest of Canada.  Same skin colors, but a bias against based in linguistic differences.  Of course there are racists who judge only on skin color, but when clear communication can occur between people you find communities where skin color is less of an issue.  

There you go.

[Adios]

If you're uninsured and on the brink of death, that's apparently a laughing matter to some audience members at last night's tea party Republican presidential debate.

Texas Rep. Ron Paul, a doctor, was asked a hypothetical question by CNN host Wolf Blitzer about how society should respond if a healthy 30-year-old man who decided against buying health insurance suddenly goes into a coma and requires intensive care for six months. Paul--a fierce limited-government advocate-- said it shouldn't be the government's responsibility. "That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks," Paul said and was drowned out by audience applause as he added, "this whole idea that you have to prepare to take care of everybody ..."

"Are you saying that society should just let him die?" Blitzer pressed Paul. And that's when the audience got involved.

Several loud cheers of "yeah!" followed by laughter could be heard in the Expo Hall at the Florida State Fairgrounds in response to Blitzer's question.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/audience-tea-party-debate-cheers-leaving-uninsured-die-163216817.html

[Doktor Howl]

If you're uninsured and on the brink of death, that's apparently a laughing matter to some audience members at last night's tea party Republican presidential debate.

Texas Rep. Ron Paul, a doctor, was asked a hypothetical question by CNN host Wolf Blitzer about how society should respond if a healthy 30-year-old man who decided against buying health insurance suddenly goes into a coma and requires intensive care for six months. Paul--a fierce limited-government advocate-- said it shouldn't be the government's responsibility. "That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks," Paul said and was drowned out by audience applause as he added, "this whole idea that you have to prepare to take care of everybody ..."

"Are you saying that society should just let him die?" Blitzer pressed Paul. And that's when the audience got involved.

Several loud cheers of "yeah!" followed by laughter could be heard in the Expo Hall at the Florida State Fairgrounds in response to Blitzer's question.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/audience-tea-party-debate-cheers-leaving-uninsured-die-163216817.html

You guys all know that Ron Paul allowed his closest aid to die due to lack of insurance, right?

[Doktor Howl]

Here we go:

http://gawker.com/5840024/ron-pauls-campaign-manager-died-of-pneumonia-penniless-and-uninsured

[Nephew Twiddleton]

On the side note about the Tea Party as a group of bigots, aside from the thinly veiled racism, there is zero tolerance for any other political views. Anything to the left of them, including "Centrist" and moderate Right views, are automatically socialism. There's fucking socialism everywhere trying to give your taxes to the poor people (newsflash- that's the majority people paying the majority of the taxes). Socialism socialism socialism. It's a boogey-man. These fuckos have no idea what socialism is, or realize that the United States has been a mixed economy for almost a century now anyway.

And they've latched onto the whole idea that since Nazism is National Socialism, that some how, all socialists must be Nazis. Hitler instituted Universal Healthcare just like that goddamn Socialist Obama is trying to do, never mind that it's not really Universal Healthcare, but compulsory insurance. That means he's a Nazi who hates white people. White people are getting discriminated against by all these blacks and Latinos. I mean, they offer Spanish language options whenever you call anything. That's oppression!

So, @OP- the mind set of a Teabagger is fear. Plain and simple. It's the only way they know how to think.

I refuse to fear them or the consequences of them coming to power. I'd prefer fight over flight here. I prefer not to match their mentality. They think that liberals are afraid of them (because they only understand things in the context of fear). I don't want them to be right even about that.


Fear has always been a part of the conservative mind set. By definition conservativism seeks to limit change. If you are a conservative, you are what would be described in The Illuminatus trilogy as Homo neophobus.

Liberals, by definition, seek to maximize freedom, even if it demands the passing of new legislation.

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

I'm still up for that island......




Just sayin.....

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I'm still up for that island......




Just sayin.....

I'm up for attacking it with longboats.

Flying longboats with energy weapons. We have to be futuristic about this.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I feel like a sitting duck staying in this country and I'm too broke to leave.
Ni flight means I have to fight.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I feel like a sitting duck staying in this country and I'm too broke to leave.
Ni flight means I have to fight.

Its not in their interest to win the presidency. They'll discredit themselves very quickly if they do.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I feel like a sitting duck staying in this country and I'm too broke to leave.
Ni flight means I have to fight.

Its not in their interest to win the presidency. They'll discredit themselves very quickly if they do.

That's never stopped them before. They discredit themselves every time they open their mouth.

[Adios]

Or Muslims, or a fuckload of other things...

You'll find people with those beliefs in quite a few political blocks other than the Tea Party.  The religiously intolerant are not somehow relegated only to the Tea Party.  Neither are immigration policies based entirely on racism, but ARE certainly very based in nationalism.

But ok, which Tea Party organization are you talking about, and please to provide links to support these positions.

    In a broad study  of adults in Georgia, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, and California conducted between February and March, the University of Washington Institute for the Study of Ethnicity, Race, and Sexuality (WISER) asked a number of questions about "racial resentment" — such as whether blacks don't try hard enough or have gotten more than they deserve. Conservatives are 23 percent more likely to be racially resentful, and Republicans 15 percent more likely than Democrats. However, the institute found that this racial sentiment isn't simply a byproduct of white conservativism:

       [E]ven as we account for conservatism and partisanship, support for the Tea Party remains a valid predictor of racial resentment.

    It is untrue, as political commentator Dave Weigel argues, that racism in the Tea Party is merely reflective of its conservatism. The WISER study found that compared to other conservatives, Tea Party supporters are:

       – 25 percent more likely to have racial resentment.

       – 27 percent more likely to support racial profiling.

       – 28 percent more likely to support indefinite detention without charges.

    Tea Party supporters are also significantly more likely to hold racial stereotypes, with a majority believing blacks are not hard-working, intelligent, or trustworthy. Their fear of others transcends race, however — the WISER study found that a majority of tea party adherents distrust Latinos, Asians, and other whites as well.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/08/09/891507/-Tea-Party-Bigotry-Not-just-for-the-Sign-Carriers-Anymore

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I feel like a sitting duck staying in this country and I'm too broke to leave.
Ni flight means I have to fight.

Its not in their interest to win the presidency. They'll discredit themselves very quickly if they do.

That's never stopped them before. They discredit themselves every time they open their mouth.

Point, but it's easy to ignore them as a fringe group until the do take something central like the presidency. Considering that quite a few of them don't really seem to understand that the President doesn't have the vast powers they think he does, they wouldn't be particularly capable of handling the job.

[Doktor Howl]

I feel like a sitting duck staying in this country and I'm too broke to leave.
Ni flight means I have to fight.

Its not in their interest to win the presidency. They'll discredit themselves very quickly if they do.

That's never stopped them before. They discredit themselves every time they open their mouth.

Point, but it's easy to ignore them as a fringe group until the do take something central like the presidency. Considering that quite a few of them don't really seem to understand that the President doesn't have the vast powers they think he does, they wouldn't be particularly capable of handling the job.

You, sir, are a hopeless fucking optimist.  Of course they're trying for the presidency.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I feel like a sitting duck staying in this country and I'm too broke to leave.
Ni flight means I have to fight.

Its not in their interest to win the presidency. They'll discredit themselves very quickly if they do.

That's never stopped them before. They discredit themselves every time they open their mouth.

Point, but it's easy to ignore them as a fringe group until the do take something central like the presidency. Considering that quite a few of them don't really seem to understand that the President doesn't have the vast powers they think he does, they wouldn't be particularly capable of handling the job.

You, sir, are a hopeless fucking optimist.  Of course they're trying for the presidency.

I agree. I'm merely saying its not in their best interest.