Quote from: Cramulus on February 16, 2011, 04:06:21 PM
I have to work against my ego, constantly. It's a distraction.
Do you mean to weaken it, or redirect it?
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Show posts MenuQuote from: Cramulus on February 16, 2011, 04:06:21 PM
I have to work against my ego, constantly. It's a distraction.
Quote from: Khara on February 16, 2011, 04:00:57 PMQuote from: Captain Utopia on February 16, 2011, 03:49:49 PM
It's harder for bureaucracy to sustain itself if you employ common sense. Thoughtlessly following procedure is the (our) definition of civilization.
I wasn't slamming honey, I was agreeing with you....
I'm thinking being civilized ain't always what it's cracked up to be, however, considering the alternative, I'll learn to deal
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on February 15, 2011, 08:04:34 PMQuote75. To put it in magical jargon, we start with the memes and thoughtforms which arise spontaneously from anti-corporate activity, transmute them magically to give them the best chance of survival and replication, and then release them back into the infosphere of the activity where they were born.
is just too fucking much for me to take.
Quote from: Cuddlefish on February 15, 2011, 04:13:29 PM
I was going to say something about this, but I didn't want to draw any attention to myself in hostile thread.
Quote from: Cain on February 15, 2011, 01:10:34 PM
Not that I know of, though I did think that as well. Of course, there are as many problems with that as it could solve, such as the energy and labour intense nature of support such colonies would need over the long term, the legal status of such colonies etc etc and as far as we know, those ice deposits on the Moon and Mars are nonreplaceable, and so a very limited resource over the long term. Of course, terraforming may be able to eventually bring about a climate where such fresh water stores become replenishible, but if we master the science of that, I think the need for offworld colonies would also be significantly lessened.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2011, 08:05:24 PMQuote from: Captain Utopia on February 14, 2011, 05:24:35 PM
Don't blame the robots... all the stats I look at show a MASSIVE decline in industrial fatalities over time. How much of this is due to compliance and regulation, I have no clue, but the less squishy meatbags you have in direct contact with heavy/poisonous/pointy things, the better.
Greed may have caused it, but the results are not altogether terrible. That is, if you prefer to be unemployed than dead.
Youth may or may not be more superficial than before. But they are also getting involved in global concepts and events in an unprecedented scale. I'm happy with that trade-off.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2011, 08:00:13 PM
Yeah. I'm still waiting to hear how this is a "happy tradeoff" over having jobs.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2011, 07:49:33 PMQuote from: Captain Utopia on February 14, 2011, 07:19:24 PMQuote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2011, 06:47:47 PM
1. As available information increases, people are more likely to vote/act against their own best interests. How do you think the teabaggers got started?
Is this an argument against increasing available information? What is the causation between increased information and bad decision making?
The link is bad information, most often deliberate.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2011, 07:49:33 PMQuote from: Captain Utopia on February 14, 2011, 07:19:24 PM
The trade-off comment was with regards being happy with having more overall involvement at the cost of the bottom of the pyramid being superficially involved.
Wait. What?
Quote from: Captain Utopia on February 14, 2011, 06:53:21 PMQuote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 14, 2011, 06:17:51 PMQuote from: Captain Utopia on February 14, 2011, 06:08:12 PM
So yeah, seeing more people get involved - even if it's in a superficial way for now, re-tweeting the latest false rumour - is moving in the right direction.
No, it isn't. That isn't "getting involved", that's called "fucking off".
And so it's worse than doing nothing?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2011, 06:55:58 PM
Yes. It gives a false sense of accomplishment. It's bad signal.
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 14, 2011, 06:56:27 PM
Yes it is, because it contributes to a false illusion.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 14, 2011, 07:01:36 PM
Yeah, it's called complacency. Life isn't the internet. You can't click on a link and download freedom.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2011, 06:47:47 PM
1. As available information increases, people are more likely to vote/act against their own best interests. How do you think the teabaggers got started?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2011, 06:47:47 PM
2. If you don't know anything is being accomplished, then I have to write your argument off as Doctor Pangloss-esque rubbish. Not trying to be offensive here, just saying that if you don't have a replacement for jobs lost, then I don't see how there's a tradeoff at all. Miss three meals, and then tell me that twitter, etc, is a trade off you're happy with.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 14, 2011, 06:17:51 PMQuote from: Captain Utopia on February 14, 2011, 06:08:12 PM
So yeah, seeing more people get involved - even if it's in a superficial way for now, re-tweeting the latest false rumour - is moving in the right direction.
No, it isn't. That isn't "getting involved", that's called "fucking off".
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 14, 2011, 06:17:51 PM
The Egypt thing didn't happen all because of Twitter and Facebook. That stuff would've been meaningless, without the human fuel, the motivation, behind it. Twitter and Facebook were fine for setting up times and spreading information, but the actual fuel for that motivation was that the Egyptians said enough was enough and it was time to get OUT OF THE HOUSE and onto the street.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2011, 06:10:54 PMQuote from: Captain Utopia on February 14, 2011, 06:08:12 PM
I disagree. Yes, there are more people who have a shallow understanding of world events than before. But there are also more subject-matter experts - and all degrees in-between. It's a network, an informational eco-system, and as such you can't just single out one element as being worthless when they all feed into and support each other.
Okay, I'll bite. What is actually being accomplished?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2011, 06:10:54 PM
I don't see the value in this tradeoff. No jobs plus vague, fuzzy feelings in our empty stomachs > Jobs?