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#3826
i don't think "experience" counts as much as motive, anyway. as president, there is absolutely no shortage of expertise at your disposal in the form of advisers and ex-officials of all varieties. but no amount of expertise, either your own or your inner circle's, can stop you from fucking things up. between dick cheney and donald rumsfield, there's a century of solid experience. and look where that got us. obama at least has the balls to admit when he doesn't know something. and he will listen to all opinions -- even (and especially) those he is inclined to disagree with. i don't see hillary demonstrating that kind of maturity.
#3827
Quote from: rzasthole on April 08, 2008, 11:25:49 PM
Well, I am biased.  I am a Liberal Democrat.  But as for Hillary's exp, well, Bill will be there with her, and he has Experience Aura which gives surrounding friendly units, +10% exp per kill, sChip, age, and did I mention Bill.   :)
My main beef with Hillary is that she is the one who is supposed to get the nomination, according to the elites.
#3828
it didn't ruin the site. it just turned us into a bunch of squabbling toddlers. still, tho i see your point.
#3829
Never underestimate the ability of the Democrats to blow the easiest electoral victory they've had in 150 years. These people are professional nitwits.
#3830
Quote from: rzasthole on April 08, 2008, 07:55:44 AM
I am of the opinion that all the "hope and change" crap coming from the Obama camp is just that....crap.  and of the bull variety.  I will be happy if either of them get it, but I srsly doubt that Barack would deliver any more than Hillary would.  Actually I think Hillary would be able to get more done for the people, but anyway...that's just my opinion.  The "hope and change" crap that gives so many people a warm, fuzzy feeling inside is just good marketing.

As for voting for McCain if Hillary gets the nomination, (by the rules and regulations set up by this government, "for the people and by the people") you are just being stupid.

Thats like having chocolate cake and strawberry cake and a bowl of shit; where you really want some strawberry cake, but someone takes it away, so you just get mad and opt for the bowl of shit instead of chocolate.  If McCain wins, I am blaming you personally.

A lot of people, like you, are very good at missing the point of all these mainstream rants I keep coming up with. Maybe I haven't explained myself well enough.

First of all, I don't give a fuck about Barack Obama. What I do care about is that this guy, who was supposed to be the Token Black Guy in the Democratic field (and hence less owned/controlled by party elites), has run away with the popular vote and is currently poised to become a candidate for President. He caught the Old Guard completely by disguise, and he is the best chance at the People actually getting a fucking voice in any national election in at least 100 years*.

What is at stake here is a surprise for me, and that is the only reason I am among those who care about this election. This kind of thing -- popular candidates running away with the popular vote in spite of there being a well-positioned hand-selected heir to the national throne -- is not supposed to happen. Our system "of/by/for the People" was designed to prevent the People from actually having much of a say in the direction of the country. That system is broken this year, and there is a chance to put somebody into office who is, while 'mainstream' in his policy, pretty open about the fact that DC is a pile of shit that needs an overhaul.

I would be supporting any candidate from any party who broke through the elites' stranglehold this way. Barack Obama just happens to be the guy who is in that position.

Hope and Change is irrelevant. For me, the simple fact that Obama was supposed to lose but is winning instead is enough "hope" and "change." And it pisses me off when I am written off as some obamafag blindly supporting a mainstream candidate. I'm not in this to sell out and acquiesce to the status quo, I'm in it to take advantage of an opportunity that wasn't supposed to be presented to me.

As for McCain, I will vote straight Republican if the DNC steals this nomination for Clinton, for exactly the reasons I mentioned. But my rants are not really intended for the audience at PDCOM, I just post them here. They're intended for dissemination to a wider, more mainstream audience, in hopes that a few people might start to see that Obama is a chink in the armor of the two-party oppression system. I have to sound pretty mainstream in order to get any attention from anybody who isn't already initiated to the idea that Democrats and Republicans are playing for the same team.
#3831
that's actually pretty cool. (linux users: it works fine in WINE too)
#3832
At stake in this primary race is not just a nomination for President of the United States, or even a victory in November's general election. It should be obvious to any observer, inside or out, that the intense emotions being brought out here are no less than an historic and potentially deadly crisis of identity for the Democratic Party. The Clinton camp has done everything in its power to cast this as a fight between "working Americans" and "the latte-sipping crowd," but almost nothing could be farther from the truth. Class, income, and lifestyle has little to do with this struggle. And it has nothing to do with gender or race or any other perennially convenient cross-section of voters, either.

It is far simpler, far more dangerous, and for some reason far more unexpected than any of that. It is a struggle between those who control the party -- and their children. Baby Boomers versus Generation X. Of course, there is bleed-over in support from both directions, but by and large, we are seeing an attempted coup-de-tat in progress by members of a younger, more idealistic generation who are not ready to settle for the failures and compromises of the Hippie generation. Is this any surprise, after seeing the havoc wreaked by the Flower Children in 1968, when they were as insistent on their demands as Generation X is today?

The torch is being passed. And the Democratic Party has two options: either listen to the People, give them their Nominee and hand over the reigns of Democratic power to young people with fresh ideas and the energy to carry this party into this century... or die. And that is no exaggeration. If millions of people are told in August that their voices and their demands have no place in the "Grown-Up's" Democratic Party, they will revolt in a heartbeat, and the next generation of Democrats will turn away.

Some of them will join the Republicans. Some of them will join the already-too-large ranks of apathetic citizens. Some of them will dissipate into third parties. Only a few of them will remain loyal to the party that has shown contempt for the future -- certainly not enough to make the Democratic Party strong, or even viable, for another generation.

I am among these voters who demand a new and invigorated Democratic Party. I, like millions of others, am tired of watching as the Democratic Party makes big promises and fails to act on behalf of the People. I am sick of my vote being assumed, and of my demands being swept under the rug while my party plays "safe politics." And I will not be ignored, especially when for the first time even among Democratic voters, my voice is chanting with the majority, demanding a new direction in Washington.

If Barack Obama ends up with a majority in popular votes and delegates, only to have his nomination railroaded because party elites have decided they know what is best for me more than I do, I will vote for McCain in November. Not because I hate Hillary (because I don't), but because it is intolerable to toy with the will of the People. I do not care who is the "safer" candidate in November. I do not care who has contributed what to whom, or who owes political favors to whom. I do not care about anything this year except that for the first time in my lifetime my vote actually counts. As for Hillary, she needs to be aware that my generation is not full of idiots, and we do not lie down to her claims just because they come out of her mouth. And every time she accuses Barack Obama of "disenfranchising" voters in Florida and Michigan because their state party broke the rules, it only makes her attempts to disenfranchise a majority of all Democrats nationally by calling on their delegates to abandon their pledges look more and more disgusting.

And not only will I vote for McCain, I will vote Republican for every single position on my ballot, from United States Senator to Neighborhood Watch Chairman. I will do this knowing full well that if my votes turn out victorious it will spell discomfort and pain for millions of Americans for at least four years. But I truly believe that if the Democratic Party cannot live up to its name, it deserves not only to be defeated, but to be dissolved. Again, I would not do this to spite Hillary: if she ends up winning the popular vote, then she'll have mine. But if she, through slimy politicking, back-channels, and democracy-subverting tricks, steals this nomination -- not from Barack Obama, but from the People whose voices are so clearly demanding a departure from the politics of the Boomers -- my hand will be forced. I would rather put up with failed Republican policy for four more years than allow my party to devolve further into an aristocratic cesspool of insider power plays while assuming it has my support.

So, to the "superdelegates," I have only this to say: As you cast your vote or make known your allegience, know that while you can deny the People our voice in your process, we can deny the entire Democratic Party its voice in Washington. We are the People, and regardless of your political calculations, we can send the lot of you to the political sewers in a single night this November.
#3833
Literate Chaotic / Re: The Haiku Game
April 05, 2008, 07:16:39 AM
Did I turn it on?
What is that flashing red light?
OSHI-! fix my pance!

nt: inside maya angelou
#3834
i mean center-right on the scale of american politics, where you have the neocons at one end and pissed off fascists at the other.
#3835
what kind of plans do you think would institute actual change? keep in mind you have a center-right population in the country, a legislature that is a wholly owned subsidiary of Big Business Inc., and an economy that's teetering on the brink of OSHI!
#3836
i can tell that's a lie by the size of mccain's jaw line.
#3837
Also, when you think of McCain, remember he was one of the Keating 5, who helped to save a floundering Savings & Loan industry from Justice.
#3838
Quote from: Ratatosk on April 04, 2008, 09:43:42 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on April 04, 2008, 09:33:52 PM
i think the biggest "change" obama represents is the will to completely ignore party lines and party loyalty in order to actually work with anybody who will help to get things done. at first, "compromise" doesn't sound very revolutionary. but look at where this country has been for almost 50 fucking years. basically, it's been absolute gridlock, with the big issues becoming nothing but a call to arms and vote-bagging platform supports.

Well, McCain seems to have been doing the same thing for quite some time... in the actual senate, passing actual laws.

So why should I trust Obama's potential 'crossing party lines' over McCain's actual crossing of party lines?

*not trying to be an ass, actually asking questions*
It isn't just potential, you know. Read about the bills he's voted for and sponsored. Also look up his history in the state government of Illinois. There's actual history there. So not only is the "no substance" claim bullshit, so is the "no experience" claim.
#3839
i think the biggest "change" obama represents is the will to completely ignore party lines and party loyalty in order to actually work with anybody who will help to get things done. at first, "compromise" doesn't sound very revolutionary. but look at where this country has been for almost 50 fucking years. basically, it's been absolute gridlock, with the big issues becoming nothing but a call to arms and vote-bagging platform supports.
#3840
Nobody is the answer to all of society's problems. And that is recognized by sensible people all the time. Look at the difference between Obama die-hards and Ron Paul die-hards: the Paulbots were screaming crazies who kept going on and on about how RP is gonna fix the whole world and electing him would be the best thing EVAR and "we'll show those bastards" and blah blah blah blah. Obamabots, on the other hand, are more in touch with reality, if only slightly. Their level of discourse tends to be higher and more on-topic and to-the-point than any other bunch of political groupies in America right now, for one thing. For another thing, as much as everybody is decrying the movement for glorifying some anonymous guy from Illinois as "America's Savior," nobody in the BHO camp has actually said anything like that. It's always WE, not HIM, they recognize that policy can't change unless intentions change, and intentions can't change without fucking listening to people. So they do. Of course, it's all off the deep end as far as the media and the pundits are concerned, but there are more than a few people who at least seem to understand that the media and the pundits are full of shit, this time.