Anti Music/Structureless Sound/Total Noise Bliss

[Frenzied Destruction]

goregrind is alright, some of the bands get a bit samey, but my favorites are Urine Festival, Anal Whore, Tumour,and some others.

[Triple Zero]

wait

grindcore
noisecore
speedcore
lord gore

goregrind????

now i'm gonna have to ask you about details

btw i thought that speedcore was like plain gabber hardcore but just really fast? like Amiga Shock Force?
do Hellfish&Producer fit into this equation somewhere?

but back to that list

so speedcore (as you mention it) is noise guitar and gabber beats yeah?

ok now explain what constitutes a reason insert the keyword "grind" into a musical genre? i'm imagining some kind of crunching crumbling sound, but that's just what the word sounds to to me.

now, next question. Digital hardcore. not talking atari teenage riot (cause i think they got their own genre), but there's shizuo, ec8or, bomb20 and patrick C
are they related? not noisy enough? approaching the same sounds from a different direction?

[P3nT4gR4m]

Noisecore invented the breakbeat.

Just saying..

[Triple Zero]

yeah but it wasn't a PROPER breakbeat.

it was more like

- "when i count to four i want everybody to lay out and let the drummer go"
- "WHUT?"
- "and when i count to four i want you to come back in"
- "WHUT?"
- "UH! ain't it funky. HUH!"
- "WHUT??"
- "HUH in the shade, it's in the feet UH feel so sweet EH it's in the shade HUH"
- "WHUT???"
- "a-one, two, three, fou--" KGRGRGSSSTTTR KG KGRKGRGGKKGKGKG GAgagaggrgrg IIIIOIIIIIIIOIIIIIIIII rgkggKkgkagggrgrgrKKGRKRGKGRGKRKiiiiiiiGGKGKGFASDDGGKGKKHHGHHFGGKKGSSSS "--AAAH GET THAT THING AWAY FROM ME!!!! (HUH!)"

[Frenzied Destruction]

Alrighty---Speedcore is just speedy drums and other electronic stuff, listen to passenger of shit and the abortionist for examples.Grindcore isnt related to electronic music, the ''core'' at the end of grind is because of hardcore punk influence(not the kind of hardcore punk that has kids with scene hair and crappy breakdowns), as most of the first grind bands were HEAVILY influenced by discharge and other such bands.the sound of grindcore generally involves very short or middle length songs( 1 or half a second to two minutes),very fast drumming on the snare(called a ''blastbeat'',also have heard it called a ''hyperblast'')---Just imagine someone hitting the snare as fast as they can, so its a continual prescence.
''Grinding'' guitars(generally heavily distorted to the point of individual notes becoming hard to distinguish,resaulting in ''up down'' rythms similar to a buzzsaw or some hardcore punk).the vocals usually range from screams,to growls, to gurgles and ''pitchshifted'' stuff.In the case of goregrind the vocals are almost always pitch shifted or gurgly, with higher emphasis placed on ''groovy'' guitar and playing more ''catchy'' music then other forms of grind(some exceptions,such as anal whore or urine festival),the lyrics are where goregrind gets its name from--usually detailed scenes of rape,torture,mutilation, horror themes, or faux-medical terminology, examples of this genre would be: lord gore,bile(not the electronic group),last days of humanity,Regurgitate,Carcass and Catasexual urge motivation.Noisecore and noisegrind are generally used interchangably, however some people think that noisegrind is just noiseir then average grind with shorter songs, and noisecore as 1 to 3 second improvised bursts of grind, personally i think the terms ''noise''core and ''noise''grind are fairly misleading, as there is small amounts of melody,structure, and other such boring musical crap(its just less obvious), It is,however, my favorite subgenre of grind,even though the term ''raw grindcore'' may also communicate the basics of the genre.I could go on for a while explaining noisecore and noisegrind, so instead im going to link you to a site that will explain everything(http://www.cfprod.com/noisecore/noisecore.htm).Im not sure what digital hardcore is, but from the names of the acts in it it sounds more electronic related then punk or grind, so im going to go out on a limb and say that its not connected,there is,however, a genre called ''cybergrind'' or ''e-grind''--pretty much people who couldnt find any members for their band,downloading fruity loops, and decided that they can be ''musicians'' now,most of it sucks,there are a few exceptions such as Electrocutionerdz(google for their official site, they put their entire discography up for download for free),dataclast,and some others i cant think of right now.
Harsh noise is exactly what it sounds like--Dada,nihilism, and chaos worship in ''musical'' form--Do what you want,when you want, with a out of tune accordion and a table full of guitar pedals.charactorizations of this genre include: short or average or VERY LONG song times( we're talking 20 minutes to an hour for ''wall noise''),Scraping/shrieking/crushing/destroying/feedbacking effect pedals(usually with a contact mic as a input, or put into feedback loops),complete disregard for the limitations that song structure place on music,and a general ''anything goes'' attitude.I would suggest listening to Pulse Demon and some of merzbows other work, Masonna,torturing nurse,japanese torture comedy hour( a side project of some of the members of agoraphobic nosebleed, a grind band with a drum machine),vomir(nihilistic wall noise--throw away your assumptions about what music is ''supposed'' to be before listening),stimbox, and incapacitants.Hail Eris, Hail noise freedom, hail discordia,hail epic lengthy posts!

[Payne]

Also hail paragraphs.

TL/DR

[Triple Zero]

thanks for your description.

one tiny piece of remark: i read this because i asked for it and was interested to find out, but such a paragraph-less block of text is really hard to read (at least, for me). if you wanna do other people who are going to want to read your post as well a favour, you will edit it and insert a few more paragraph breaks and whitespace.

now some more questions:

- i just remembered another band, "Melt Banana", do you know it and where does it fit in? they use guitars, do the pitchshifted voices and i think also the blastbeats. otherwise they are generally very loud, noisy, weird and chaotic. (if you don't know them, i suggest you check them out)

- what do you do with a 20 minute noisewall? it sounds really the same over the entire song? no LFOs or something going on anywhere?
do you listen to that? at home, or live? or just keep it in your collection as a nice oddity?

some friends of mine once created two CDs for me, birthday presents. first year i got several detuned channels of AM noise. year after that, they went through a littlebit more trouble and tried to create the colours of noise (white, pink, brown, etc), they didn't have the skills (or time) to create orange noise though (i wonder what it would sound like).

also, i have used CoolEdit a few times to create a pink noise loop, in order to cancel out environment noises during meditation sessions. it works really well for cancelling out sounds, but after a while it gets annoying, you don't really hear it anymore, but it feels like some sort of pressure in your head.

[AFK]

thanks for your description.

one tiny piece of remark: i read this because i asked for it and was interested to find out, but such a paragraph-less block of text is really hard to read (at least, for me). if you wanna do other people who are going to want to read your post as well a favour, you will edit it and insert a few more paragraph breaks and whitespace.

think of it as textual-noise.   

[Triple Zero]

textual noise = spam

especially those word salad spam

[Frenzied Destruction]

Melt banana are grind, although, in a interview when asked what they played they replied ''pop music''(i own their cd ''teeny shiny'' and have more laying around on cdrs somewhere) Most people do differant things while listening to noise walls--myself, i concentrate entirely on the sound, so that the miniminiscule changes(some artists will change it, vomir seems to remain very minimalist,though.) are more noticable,others meditate to it.As far as what way to enjoy it--All of the above.Ive never gotten the chance to see any form of noise live (because of where i live) but there are some who think all forms of harsh noise are best experianced in a live enviroment.I disagree--I listen to noise everywhere, i think its best(all subgenres) when you can give your total attention to it.some wall noise treats noise as a physical object--Unchanging from when you first ''see'' it, other wall noise might surprise you by becoming something completly differant in the middle of the song.Personally, i perfer harsh noise with dynamics over wallnoise most of the time,though...Static noise sources like orange/pink/white noise are usually used as a soundsource while making wall noise, along with a few other things. Sorry that my posts are hard to read( or you could think of it as Avant-gard message boarding.)

[Triple Zero]

ah please man, i'm asking you nicely

how hard can it be to hit enter a few times?

[Frenzied Destruction]

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[Mangrove]

Warning: this thread contains 'Muscial Hair Splitting'

[Frenzied Destruction]

what do you mean ''musical hair splitting'' its not hair splitting if its entire subgenres and genres of music,dude.there are vast,easily noticible differances between all the bands i mentioned(i dont mean that in a asshole-y way)

[Cramulus]

what do you mean ''musical hair splitting''

I think he means: