(attempting) to tie some ideas together.

[Triple Zero]

also, the balls are in fact points and the pool table with bumps is in fact a high dimensional scalar field, through which the points follow a gradient descent route.
following this path, the points change the value of the scalar field in their surroundings by using a convolution matrix (which can be said to be the structure of your mind).



not as visually provoking, but more accurate. which is the thing that always strikes me first with this shrapnel model, it's too simple. it doesn't allow for creating a huge tangled mess.

back to the pool table model, the balls are able to mold the bumps and dips on the table, right?

[P3nT4gR4m]

back to the pool table model, the balls are able to mold the bumps and dips on the table, right?

I've played on a few really fucked out old tables in my time. The balls are how the bumps and dips get there in the first place.

Well, a mixture of that and high speed human faces

[Adios]

Your math is going to fail. Two critical things are not accounted for.

1) You are trying to delineate the size and shape.

2) You did not account for the fact that many times steps will be retraced and then followed again.

None of this can really be a defined size or shape. IMO whatever it is will always be in flux as we grow and then revert back. The XYZ thinking will only work if you are prepared to see something like a ball of string that a cat has been playing with. Anything else will be like trying to order chaos. In the BIP metaphore it has already been acknowledged the size and shape will always change. I have noticed that sometimes when I finally grasp a large concept that my BIP instantly SHRINKS instead of grows as I realize how little I actually know.

[LMNO]

Don't let the Perfect get in the way of the Good.

Metaphors are inherently wrong, in that they are maps of maps.  Many things are left out, many possibilities cut off.

But that doesn't mean it can't convey the beginning of an idea.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Don't let the Perfect get in the way of the Good.

Metaphors are inherently wrong, in that they are maps of maps.  Many things are left out, many possibilities cut off.

But that doesn't mean it can't convey the beginning of an idea.

Agreed, and the more maps, the better... since each map might tell us something different about the territory

[P3nT4gR4m]

Maybe there is no territory. Maybe it's just maps all the way down 

[AFK]

Nah, the territory is there.  It's just that we're never able to really survey all of it.  It's another example of human-kind's incessant need to categorize and catalog everything it experiences. 

[Adios]

Maybe there is no territory. Maybe it's just maps all the way down 

Frightening isn't it? Like standing on the edge of a precipice.

[LMNO]

Nah, the territory is there.  It's just that we're never able to really survey all of it. 

Which can be another way of saying there is no escape from the BIP.

[Adios]

Nah, the territory is there.  It's just that we're never able to really survey all of it. 

Which can be another way of saying there is no escape from the BIP.

If I may ask. Why would we want to escape? Are we looking for the perfect place? How incredibly boring that would be. Infinite perfection is the worst kind of death. Boredom.

[LMNO]

I was referencing the Rat/LMNO divide about how each of us see the BIP.


We've pretty reached a standoff, but if you want to jump in, feel free.

[AFK]

Nah, the territory is there.  It's just that we're never able to really survey all of it. 

Which can be another way of saying there is no escape from the BIP.

Yeah, but I've always been with you on that one. 

[Adios]

I was referencing the Rat/LMNO divide about how each of us see the BIP.


We've pretty reached a standoff, but if you want to jump in, feel free.

Well I'm on the side of no escape. Getting out of a cell still leaves you within the walls. A prison the size of the universe is still a prison.


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[P3nT4gR4m]

Maybe there is no territory. Maybe it's just maps all the way down 

Frightening isn't it? Like standing on the edge of a precipice.

I'd say more 'liberating'

[AFK]

And it's only a prison in that it is inescapable.  But there is so much territory within the prison, that it is an incarceration that offers up a fuck-ton of freedom of movement.