Intelligent Design students who get 20% of their grades from trolling..

[Iason Ouabache]

MEMEMEME!!!!
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[The Good Reverend Roger]

They're finally getting it? Sounds like a recipe for escalation to me.

Thing is though, how do you wage a meme war, if you don't have a firm grasp on how ideas evolve? Just because you can design a good meme, that doesn't mean that strong memes don't evolve without individual intent. Etc, etc.

Bring it on, I say.

I think this needs to be dealt with.

[Chairman Risus]

No, not to use the word "instead", I meant, instead of the word "meme".

I've been using instead of meme ever since Fred's hamster bombings.

[Kai]

We need a new word for meme that means the same thing but the general population isn't aware of.

make it whatever you want it to be. as long as you define what it means within a particular context, you can use fquwbgaz for all I care

that word was dead the day Dawkins defined it.

Related: One of my girlfriend's best friends is a creationist, and today she tried explained all of her arguments to my girlfriend for believing in microevolution but not macroevolution.

Laying aside the question of fertility and sterility, in all other respects there seems to be a general and close similarity in the offspring of crossed species, and of crossed varieties. If we look at species as having been specially created, and at varieties as having been produced by secondary laws, this similarity would be an astonishing fact. But it harmonizes perfectly with the view that there is no essential distinction between species and varieties.

Darwin, shooting down the arbitrary distinctions of macro and microevolution, 150 years ago. BAM!

[Captain Utopia]

We need a new word for meme that means the same thing but the general population isn't aware of.

make it whatever you want it to be. as long as you define what it means within a particular context, you can use fquwbgaz for all I care

that word was dead the day Dawkins defined it.

I've just put The Selfish Gene on my reading list, it's been too long (12 years) since I read it last. I'm curious though why you say the word is dead - and I really don't recall his original definition. Is it because "meme" can be used for anything from the practice of wearing a baseball cap the wrong way around, to an entire religion?

Related: One of my girlfriend's best friends is a creationist, and today she tried explained all of her arguments to my girlfriend for believing in microevolution but not macroevolution.

Laying aside the question of fertility and sterility, in all other respects there seems to be a general and close similarity in the offspring of crossed species, and of crossed varieties. If we look at species as having been specially created, and at varieties as having been produced by secondary laws, this similarity would be an astonishing fact. But it harmonizes perfectly with the view that there is no essential distinction between species and varieties.

Darwin, shooting down the arbitrary distinctions of macro and microevolution, 150 years ago. BAM!

I am really rusty on my evolutionary background (it coming in its entirety from The Selfish Gene, over a decade ago), but it seems to me that there might be a parallel between this and distinguishing between micro-memes and macro-memes?

I also don't think that vocal hatred of the word is enough of a reason to stop using it. Now, if the intent were to piss off Dawkins, then I might be up for that..

[LMNO]

MEME

[Kai]

We need a new word for meme that means the same thing but the general population isn't aware of.

make it whatever you want it to be. as long as you define what it means within a particular context, you can use fquwbgaz for all I care

that word was dead the day Dawkins defined it.

I've just put The Selfish Gene on my reading list, it's been too long (12 years) since I read it last. I'm curious though why you say the word is dead - and I really don't recall his original definition. Is it because "meme" can be used for anything from the practice of wearing a baseball cap the wrong way around, to an entire religion?

Yes. Now stop using it all the time. It would be like me inserting "gene" into every sentence in places where it doesn't make sense.

Related: One of my girlfriend's best friends is a creationist, and today she tried explained all of her arguments to my girlfriend for believing in microevolution but not macroevolution.

Laying aside the question of fertility and sterility, in all other respects there seems to be a general and close similarity in the offspring of crossed species, and of crossed varieties. If we look at species as having been specially created, and at varieties as having been produced by secondary laws, this similarity would be an astonishing fact. But it harmonizes perfectly with the view that there is no essential distinction between species and varieties.

Darwin, shooting down the arbitrary distinctions of macro and microevolution, 150 years ago. BAM!

I am really rusty on my evolutionary background (it coming in its entirety from The Selfish Gene, over a decade ago), but it seems to me that there might be a parallel between this and distinguishing between micro-memes and macro-memes?

I also don't think that vocal hatred of the word is enough of a reason to stop using it. Now, if the intent were to piss off Dawkins, then I might be up for that..

ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.

For FUCKS SAKE, quit using that word. Did you just understand what I said? Theres no real difference in the way varieties and species come about, therefore there are no arbitrary distinctions of micro and macroevolution. And please please please do not start taking that bullshit and making yet more bullshit out of it. Just stop already, you're driving me nuts. 

[hooplala]

Hey fictionpuss, suck an ass.

[Captain Utopia]

We need a new word for meme that means the same thing but the general population isn't aware of.

make it whatever you want it to be. as long as you define what it means within a particular context, you can use fquwbgaz for all I care

that word was dead the day Dawkins defined it.

I've just put The Selfish Gene on my reading list, it's been too long (12 years) since I read it last. I'm curious though why you say the word is dead - and I really don't recall his original definition. Is it because "meme" can be used for anything from the practice of wearing a baseball cap the wrong way around, to an entire religion?

Yes. Now stop using it all the time. It would be like me inserting "gene" into every sentence in places where it doesn't make sense.

Related: One of my girlfriend's best friends is a creationist, and today she tried explained all of her arguments to my girlfriend for believing in microevolution but not macroevolution.

Laying aside the question of fertility and sterility, in all other respects there seems to be a general and close similarity in the offspring of crossed species, and of crossed varieties. If we look at species as having been specially created, and at varieties as having been produced by secondary laws, this similarity would be an astonishing fact. But it harmonizes perfectly with the view that there is no essential distinction between species and varieties.

Darwin, shooting down the arbitrary distinctions of macro and microevolution, 150 years ago. BAM!

I am really rusty on my evolutionary background (it coming in its entirety from The Selfish Gene, over a decade ago), but it seems to me that there might be a parallel between this and distinguishing between micro-memes and macro-memes?

I also don't think that vocal hatred of the word is enough of a reason to stop using it. Now, if the intent were to piss off Dawkins, then I might be up for that..

ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.

For FUCKS SAKE, quit using that word. Did you just understand what I said? Theres no real difference in the way varieties and species come about, therefore there are no arbitrary distinctions of micro and macroevolution. And please please please do not start taking that bullshit and making yet more bullshit out of it. Just stop already, you're driving me nuts. 

I don't think you actually read what I wrote there. By the logic you just used, I could say "evolution" is a useless word, because "meme" is a useless word to describe "anything from the practice of wearing a baseball cap the wrong way around, to an entire religion".

[LMNO]

Actually, Kai said:

"No difference between micro and macro evolution."


You responded,

"Might there be a parallel between this and distinguishing between micro-memes and macro-memes?"


Your response is exactly the opposite of what Kai was saying.

[Captain Utopia]

Actually, Kai said:

"No difference between micro and macro evolution."


You responded,

"Might there be a parallel between this and distinguishing between micro-memes and macro-memes?"


Your response is exactly the opposite of what Kai was saying.

No, I'm saying that I don't think there is a meaningful distinction between micro-memes and macro-memes. Thus Kai's objection that "meme" is useless because it can refer to wearing a baseball cap at an angle, or a religion, is invalid. Because otherwise we should throw out the word "evolution" at the same time since it refers to both species and varieties.

[LMNO]

 


You're a retard.

[Captain Utopia]

If I am so retarded, it should be easy to point out just one example of it in the response I gave above.

Try it.

[AFK]

Evolution is a body of science that attempts to explain how life on Earth has changed, adapted, etc., over the millions of years it has existed.

It is far more involved than your crude, rough-shot summation. 

Moreover, you are over-thinking and over-analyzing concepts, memes, that in the large scheme of things, don't mean a damn thing in real, day-to-day life. 

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no idea what this is all about btw, I didn't read any of your posts