Regardless of my prediction that there will be sooner or later an "UNLIMITED" thread, here's what i think from what i read since my last post in this thread:
*CNO: im not much for "results oriented thinking", but im glad antidepressants benefitted you even if it was by random chance and sheer luck in the diagnosis... also, i do agree that making any kind of comparison between placebos and psychiatric medication is just silly... just because they are prescribed compulsively and without good reason, doesnt mean they dont have a real and objective effect on brain chemistry... the question of if your condition was purely organical or psychical could currently be irrelevant to you as a patient, but to me as a practitioner would be of interest, even if its already "cured", but i dont think either of us wants to get into that.
*Fomalhaut: ive dealt with psychiatric communities, and yeah, grand majority of them get obese and "sleepy" all the time due to the secondary effects of the medication... liver problems, i think sometimes diabetes and who knows what else... so indeed theres a problem with that, but its also true that as time passes, its getting better with less destructive side effects.
*In general:
-While psychiatry is a pseudoscience in its diagnosis, the medication they peddle in itself is a product of a very rigurous and scientific process with precise doses... medication is a precise tool which unfortunately gets wrongfully utilized.
-One problem with homeopathy, is that as far as im informed, the literal unregulated TRASH they peddle does not follow a precise and scientific manufacturing process, that is to say, the milligrams of substances present in a given dose of whatever, have extreme variance, thats some of the reasons people die from it.
-So besides the unregulated remedies of homeopathy, the issue of placebos is an entirely different subject, because a placebo is defined by having literally no active substances, and working purely by "suggestion" (or as sometimes its called "deception").
-The thing with suggestion is that it implies many more things than its generally thought of, and its the direct successor of hypnotic practice, and while CNO just sees it as fraudulent and unethical, i see it as something more than that.
(continued in next post, just in case my browser dies or refreshes for some random reason)
*CNO: im not much for "results oriented thinking", but im glad antidepressants benefitted you even if it was by random chance and sheer luck in the diagnosis... also, i do agree that making any kind of comparison between placebos and psychiatric medication is just silly... just because they are prescribed compulsively and without good reason, doesnt mean they dont have a real and objective effect on brain chemistry... the question of if your condition was purely organical or psychical could currently be irrelevant to you as a patient, but to me as a practitioner would be of interest, even if its already "cured", but i dont think either of us wants to get into that.
*Fomalhaut: ive dealt with psychiatric communities, and yeah, grand majority of them get obese and "sleepy" all the time due to the secondary effects of the medication... liver problems, i think sometimes diabetes and who knows what else... so indeed theres a problem with that, but its also true that as time passes, its getting better with less destructive side effects.
*In general:
-While psychiatry is a pseudoscience in its diagnosis, the medication they peddle in itself is a product of a very rigurous and scientific process with precise doses... medication is a precise tool which unfortunately gets wrongfully utilized.
-One problem with homeopathy, is that as far as im informed, the literal unregulated TRASH they peddle does not follow a precise and scientific manufacturing process, that is to say, the milligrams of substances present in a given dose of whatever, have extreme variance, thats some of the reasons people die from it.
-So besides the unregulated remedies of homeopathy, the issue of placebos is an entirely different subject, because a placebo is defined by having literally no active substances, and working purely by "suggestion" (or as sometimes its called "deception").
-The thing with suggestion is that it implies many more things than its generally thought of, and its the direct successor of hypnotic practice, and while CNO just sees it as fraudulent and unethical, i see it as something more than that.
(continued in next post, just in case my browser dies or refreshes for some random reason)