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Principia Discordia => Or Kill Me => Topic started by: Cait M. R. on December 17, 2009, 12:35:44 PM

Title: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Cait M. R. on December 17, 2009, 12:35:44 PM
This can be considered a response to Emo: The Symptom of our Decay (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=22604.0) started by JohNyx. If you haven't read it, go do so. It's a good read, IMO, and it's pretty much the entire thing that started my writing this.

I think it's important, first off, that I make it clear where I'm coming from. If you asked anyone who knew me IRL or had seen me on my cam before it broke horribly, the first word out of their mouths you'd get is "scene". Scene is an offshoot of emo that's less about discontent in general and more about giant egos* (if you go by JohNyx's philosophical interpretation of emo, which, as I'll get to soon, I don't really believe is a very good interpretation to begin with) and "having fun". Sort of subverting emo, in its own way. So I am kind of biased and I think that's important to keep in mind.

Why do I disagree with JohNyx's interpretation, though, aside from the obvious bias? Maybe it's because I speak from something of an inside stance.

Before I became "scene" (ironically, after dropping out of high school) I always hung out with the emo crowd even though I was a better fit for the metalheads (considering music tastes and fashion choices).The first thing I noticed was they were all friendly. Aside from being a little bit wary of speaking about their music around people outside of the clique they seemed generally like just introverted people with some shared interests. They were very loyal friends to each other (not really me, though that's my fault, I always seem to be an observer in any social situation and never even tried to remedy that in this case) and often helped each other out. Stereotypes I immediately noticed were wrong both previously had applied to goths. Hmmm. I saw very little poetry writing, in fact very little interest in artistic endeavours of any sort. None of them seemed particularly depressed and while there were two cutters in the bunch of ~30 or so people, I was assured that there were far more cutters among the nerdy kids.

Of the stereotypical fashion traits that JohNyx stated in his post, I noticed only 4 and except hoodies, they never applied to more than half the people (and it's worth noting that everyone outside of the emo clique wore hoodies too). The other three were black clothes, tight pants and black nails. Stars never even appeared once. I don't know if that's maybe a Mexico-only thing, though? There was also a more often-cited trait that most of them shared, the weird hair. But considering that JohNyx didn't mention that himself, I'll just let that go.

The music tastes were most surprising to me. There was the expected pseudo-punk and alt-rock, along with a lot of slightly unexpected but not completely out there pieces of punk awesomeness, like old AFI and etc. But some of the other common music choices were just odd. I found 8 kids without God Module on their MP3 players, and only 1 who wasn't a huge thrash metal fan.

I can't really speak on the topic of MySpace regarding emo kids, because (surprisingly) none of the ones I met had one. I actually never really had a reason to get a MySpace until I went "scene". From what I've seen of MySpace after I got one, the emo kid flying-camera picture has spread to all sorts. I won't deny it started there, though, the girls of the group were exactly the type I'd expect to do that shit. As for the girls wearing tutus and shit.. Uh, I never EVER saw anything like that on MySpace or IRL. I dunno why I haven't found it on MySpace because that's exactly the shit I'd expect to find there, but the girls IRL were all super-serious tomboys with egos the size of world superpowers. They weren't really the type who would act stupid and post it on the internet, all things considered. (The boys, on the other hand, couldn't be serious if you put a gun to their head and told them that you just got done murdering their entire family. They even made lame jokes while bitching.)

Now to move to the philosophical part. I mentioned that they were all relatively friendly people, with the obvious caveat of "so long as you don't approach them like a complete douchebag". I feel it's also necessary to mention that none of them really seemed to express the variety of "discontent" JohNyx paints them with. I never heard much railing against the system, or idealistic passions or the like. I most clearly remember, in fact, asking one of them when I was 15 (they were about the same) "Why would you want to become an engineer when you grow up?"

The only real thing attitude-wise that they all shared was the dreaded Special Snowflake syndrome, where they were all, if not the most important people in the world, at least entitled to whatever the hell they wanted. They never really flipped out or anything if they didn't get their way, but they sure bitched about it a lot. It was the main reason I didn't become a part of that group fully. I got the feeling that they were EXPECTED to bitch regularly, and I don't know WTF would have happened to me when it came my turn to bitch and I could only give a half-hearted "everything's sort of okay, except maybe I'm a little tired and stuff."

The big difference here is that when I read "discontent" I think Problems With Big Things. Bitching about the state of the world, the government, laws, or even just rules set by your parents. The complaining and bitching that took place here was below the level of the most minor of the First World Problems thread entries. "Can you believe it, my mom wouldn't get my the new iPod. She's terrible." Seriously.

I guess if that's the problem JohNyx has with them, that's great because no one likes a whiner. But I got the impression that his worst problem with them was that instead of doing something about what bothered them, they just sort of bitched about it and kept living. Considering the things being bitched about, I'm personally happy that they just kept living their lives. I can't imagine any good coming from an indignant 15 year old trying to show his mom what's what for not getting him an iPod.

To conclude, JohNyx fucked up by (from what I gathered) trying to view emo through the same lens as punk and goth: as a counterculture. And it just isn't a counterculture, it doesn't even try to look like one. It's a bunch of teenagers who want to look cool while swinging their egos around, and that's really it. (Regarding the music choices, I think what happened with the non-obvious stuff was people in that local circle already had those interests and they just spread them. In one of the other towns there was a huge country fandom among the emos, for example.)

I will admit I'm speaking entirely from personal experience in a very small segment of Western Pennsylvania, and that said experience is probably atypical. But somehow I doubt that emos ANYWHERE are pretending to give a shit about politics or the state of the world or really much of anything. The very name of the subculture (emo, from emotional) implies getting hyped up about just about everything. And all the little slights leave very little emotional energy to give a shit about civilization sliding into the gutter.




*-Actually, scene is an offshoot of emo that's less about big egos and more about flaunting your big ego as flagrantly as possible. If I ever start talking about how much cooler I am than everyone else and how anyone who doesn't agree is just jealous, shoot me.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: LMNO on December 17, 2009, 02:45:46 PM
It seems to me that all you need to know is that they couldn't even think up a new name for themselves, and just went with "scene".


Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 17, 2009, 03:37:20 PM
Gotta admit I lost track of pre-packaged, cookie cutter individuality some time around Goth.

Something about herds always makes me think of abattoirs.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on December 17, 2009, 03:44:59 PM
As a teen in the 90's who went through a punk goth and grunge phase the angst isnt new just gets dull after 26.

same shit, different shrinkwrap.

emo annoys the fuck out of me musically. Emo kids are just kids. Metal kids are just kids. ad freaking nauseum.

inter subculture bitching - also, nothing new.

Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 04:20:38 PM
Emo  (or "scene") is nothing new.  Teenagers are basically big bags of angst.  The chief difference is that kids are now allowed to dress the way they please more than when I was a kid.

This, of course, allows them to be put in neat little marketing slots, and is therefore encouraged by the act of "discouraging" it.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 17, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
What Roger, Pixie, & Pent said.

What's funny is that when I was a kid, the in-thing was to claim you weren't part of a scene, because you and your friends were individuals and did your own thing. We even (thought we) made up a humorous name for ourselves, "disco dykes". It's only in retrospect that I could look back and go, oh, we were just another pack of club kids. Pass the ecstasy and the fabulous gender ambiguity, please.
:lulz:
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: LMNO on December 17, 2009, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
What Roger, Pixie, & Pent said.

What's funny is that when I was a kid, the in-thing was to claim you weren't part of a scene, because you and your friends were individuals and did your own thing. We even (thought we) made up a humorous name for ourselves, "disco dykes". It's only in retrospect that I could look back and go, oh, we were just another pack of club kids. Pass the ecstasy and the fabulous gender ambiguity, please.   :lulz:



If you're curious, those people are now called "Lady Gaga fans".
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 04:40:11 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
What Roger, Pixie, & Pent said.

What's funny is that when I was a kid, the in-thing was to claim you weren't part of a scene, because you and your friends were individuals and did your own thing. We even (thought we) made up a humorous name for ourselves, "disco dykes". It's only in retrospect that I could look back and go, oh, we were just another pack of club kids. Pass the ecstasy and the fabulous gender ambiguity, please.
:lulz:


When I was a kid, I hung around with punk rockers.  I did so while wearing jeans, engineer boots, and a black tee shirt.  Amazingly enough, I was never given any shit about it.  I just dug the music, and to a greater extent, the people...probably because they didn't insist that I had to dress like a circus clown with a bad haircut to be part of the scene.

I still know some of those people, and they are still very together folks, no mid-life crisises or upside down finances from trying to be something they aren't.  The ones that are still alive, anyway.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: hooplala on December 17, 2009, 05:40:37 PM
I quite literally did not hang around anyone in high school.  Not until I went to art school, and even though I did make friends there I made even worse enemies.

Today they would have me in therapy, worried I was going to shoot up the school.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 05:54:31 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 17, 2009, 05:40:37 PM
I quite literally did not hang around anyone in high school.  Not until I went to art school, and even though I did make friends there I made even worse enemies.

Today they would have me in therapy, worried I was going to shoot up the school.

I should have shot up my school.  They all turned into lawyers and insurance executives.

Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 17, 2009, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 17, 2009, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
What Roger, Pixie, & Pent said.

What's funny is that when I was a kid, the in-thing was to claim you weren't part of a scene, because you and your friends were individuals and did your own thing. We even (thought we) made up a humorous name for ourselves, "disco dykes". It's only in retrospect that I could look back and go, oh, we were just another pack of club kids. Pass the ecstasy and the fabulous gender ambiguity, please.   :lulz:



If you're curious, those people are now called "Lady Gaga fans".

I noticed!  :lulz: And many of my old friends (and me!) adore Lady Gaga. We're all too old to do gender ambiguity anymore, because middle-aged people get fat and hairy and large-assed.

My schtick, back in the day, was dressing like a boy dressed like a girl. I was fabulous, and I didn't count my night a success if I didn't get told that I was "so real" and make out with at least one straight girl who thought she was making out with a tranny. Back when I thought gender-bending was something other than a totally irritating cliche.

Oh, foolish youth!
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 17, 2009, 06:49:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 04:40:11 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
What Roger, Pixie, & Pent said.

What's funny is that when I was a kid, the in-thing was to claim you weren't part of a scene, because you and your friends were individuals and did your own thing. We even (thought we) made up a humorous name for ourselves, "disco dykes". It's only in retrospect that I could look back and go, oh, we were just another pack of club kids. Pass the ecstasy and the fabulous gender ambiguity, please.
:lulz:


When I was a kid, I hung around with punk rockers.  I did so while wearing jeans, engineer boots, and a black tee shirt.  Amazingly enough, I was never given any shit about it.  I just dug the music, and to a greater extent, the people...probably because they didn't insist that I had to dress like a circus clown with a bad haircut to be part of the scene.

I still know some of those people, and they are still very together folks, no mid-life crisises or upside down finances from trying to be something they aren't.  The ones that are still alive, anyway.

I started hanging out with post-punkers after I got too old to be a club kid. I never felt quite one of them because I wasn't into the punk rock scene, yet they all remember me as being a "little punk girl". I liked that they never expected me to change how I dressed. I think I was still wearing either short dresses (with aprons) or big pants and tiny tees up until I had my first kid.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: LMNO on December 17, 2009, 06:50:08 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 06:43:56 PM

My schtick, back in the day, was dressing like a boy dressed like a girl. I was fabulous, and I didn't count my night a success if I didn't get told that I was "so real" and make out with at least one straight girl who thought she was making out with a tranny. Back when I thought gender-bending was something other than a totally irritating cliche.

Oh, foolish youth!

Oh, that brings back memories.


I couldn't pass for anything other than a hariy guy, but I had a lot of friends like that.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mangrove on December 17, 2009, 06:53:13 PM
First, I was a dork.

Then a metal dork.

Then a neo-Beat dork.

And now...well we come full circle.



Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:00:05 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 06:49:34 PM


I started hanging out with post-punkers after I got too old to be a club kid.

I know otherwise-cool people in their mid 20s who still wear trip pants.  :x

Someone come down here and shoot me.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Freeky on December 17, 2009, 07:03:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:00:05 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 06:49:34 PM


I started hanging out with post-punkers after I got too old to be a club kid.

I know otherwise-cool people in their mid 20s who still wear trip pants.  :x

Someone come down here and shoot me.
:lulz:
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 17, 2009, 07:04:13 PM
I had no scene or life or identity except the religious one... I listened to the awesome music played on "Oldies" and "Easy Listening" stations cause the rest of that shit was from the Devil and promoted 'worldly ideas' (Apparently "Under the Boardwalk" is a fine Jesus lovin tune...).

Anyway, after my escape I fell in with some goths, but I was already 25 so that was kinda weird. I hadn't thought about gender bending... but cute girls can make you do strange things and I found myself in skirts with "Prom Hair" often... but it seemed to turn cute girls on so I went with it. But, I never really got into the goth music, just the look and the people.

These days, I do regret not having freed myself enough to be in a scene of some sort, it is apparently one of those experiences you can't go pick up later in life... though I tried*.



* I did discover though that this doesn't work... it just makes you look like an old fool.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:05:42 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 17, 2009, 07:04:13 PM
* I did discover though that this doesn't work... it just makes you look like an old fool.

THIS.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 17, 2009, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:00:05 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 06:49:34 PM


I started hanging out with post-punkers after I got too old to be a club kid.

I know otherwise-cool people in their mid 20s who still wear trip pants.  :x

Someone come down here and shoot me.

Oh, my god. I always hated those. Especially on boys... they can look cute on really waifish girls.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 17, 2009, 07:13:59 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 17, 2009, 07:04:13 PM
I had no scene or life or identity except the religious one... I listened to the awesome music played on "Oldies" and "Easy Listening" stations cause the rest of that shit was from the Devil and promoted 'worldly ideas' (Apparently "Under the Boardwalk" is a fine Jesus lovin tune...).

Anyway, after my escape I fell in with some goths, but I was already 25 so that was kinda weird. I hadn't thought about gender bending... but cute girls can make you do strange things and I found myself in skirts with "Prom Hair" often... but it seemed to turn cute girls on so I went with it. But, I never really got into the goth music, just the look and the people.

These days, I do regret not having freed myself enough to be in a scene of some sort, it is apparently one of those experiences you can't go pick up later in life... though I tried*.



* I did discover though that this doesn't work... it just makes you look like an old fool.

Later in life you can just go with being extremely eccentric.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:15:44 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 07:13:59 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 17, 2009, 07:04:13 PM
I had no scene or life or identity except the religious one... I listened to the awesome music played on "Oldies" and "Easy Listening" stations cause the rest of that shit was from the Devil and promoted 'worldly ideas' (Apparently "Under the Boardwalk" is a fine Jesus lovin tune...).

Anyway, after my escape I fell in with some goths, but I was already 25 so that was kinda weird. I hadn't thought about gender bending... but cute girls can make you do strange things and I found myself in skirts with "Prom Hair" often... but it seemed to turn cute girls on so I went with it. But, I never really got into the goth music, just the look and the people.

These days, I do regret not having freed myself enough to be in a scene of some sort, it is apparently one of those experiences you can't go pick up later in life... though I tried*.



* I did discover though that this doesn't work... it just makes you look like an old fool.

Later in life you can just go with being extremely eccentric.

I am looking forward to proceeding to being curmudgeony, if I'm not already there.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 17, 2009, 07:16:47 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:15:44 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 07:13:59 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 17, 2009, 07:04:13 PM
I had no scene or life or identity except the religious one... I listened to the awesome music played on "Oldies" and "Easy Listening" stations cause the rest of that shit was from the Devil and promoted 'worldly ideas' (Apparently "Under the Boardwalk" is a fine Jesus lovin tune...).

Anyway, after my escape I fell in with some goths, but I was already 25 so that was kinda weird. I hadn't thought about gender bending... but cute girls can make you do strange things and I found myself in skirts with "Prom Hair" often... but it seemed to turn cute girls on so I went with it. But, I never really got into the goth music, just the look and the people.

These days, I do regret not having freed myself enough to be in a scene of some sort, it is apparently one of those experiences you can't go pick up later in life... though I tried*.



* I did discover though that this doesn't work... it just makes you look like an old fool.

Later in life you can just go with being extremely eccentric.

I am looking forward to proceeding to being curmudgeony, if I'm not already there.

I think you're there.

You know what that means...

YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE WALL.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:17:55 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:00:05 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 06:49:34 PM


I started hanging out with post-punkers after I got too old to be a club kid.

I know otherwise-cool people in their mid 20s who still wear trip pants.  :x

Someone come down here and shoot me.

Oh, my god. I always hated those. Especially on boys... they can look cute on really waifish girls.

There's something horrible about it, Nigel, especially on people old enough to know better.  It's like they're trying to remain teenagers forever, like an unshaven Peter Pan with a paunch.  It's depressing as hell.

What the hell ever happened to just wearing blue jeans?
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: AFK on December 17, 2009, 07:19:00 PM
Growing up in a tiny little town, in the middle of nowhere Maine, with a school that had only 200 kids, it was hard for any kind of scene to get any kind of traction.  I was basically a scene of 1.  I was really the only kid in high school that listened to any kind of metal outside of the hair-metal genre.  My junior year of high school was actually spent in southern New Jersey after my Dad was transferred there from the base that closed in Maine.  I was exposed to post-modern music and got into that for awhile.  We moved back to tiny town Maine for my Senior year, and it was then I realized how stuck in the mud the rest of my class had been.  I became even more of an outcast, which was quite a hoot.  Everyone else was into country-western or Christian-pop music.  Oh, and going out of there way to be as "normal" as possible.  
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:20:34 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 07:16:47 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:15:44 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 07:13:59 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 17, 2009, 07:04:13 PM
I had no scene or life or identity except the religious one... I listened to the awesome music played on "Oldies" and "Easy Listening" stations cause the rest of that shit was from the Devil and promoted 'worldly ideas' (Apparently "Under the Boardwalk" is a fine Jesus lovin tune...).

Anyway, after my escape I fell in with some goths, but I was already 25 so that was kinda weird. I hadn't thought about gender bending... but cute girls can make you do strange things and I found myself in skirts with "Prom Hair" often... but it seemed to turn cute girls on so I went with it. But, I never really got into the goth music, just the look and the people.

These days, I do regret not having freed myself enough to be in a scene of some sort, it is apparently one of those experiences you can't go pick up later in life... though I tried*.



* I did discover though that this doesn't work... it just makes you look like an old fool.

Later in life you can just go with being extremely eccentric.

I am looking forward to proceeding to being curmudgeony, if I'm not already there.

I think you're there.

You know what that means...

YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE WALL.

Everything is better, when you take it a little too far.

That's why all of my friends are 20 years older or younger than I am.  The 60 year olds are too old to care what people think, and the 20-somethings are too oblivious.  Most people my age are right smack in the middle of either a major midlife crisis, or so busy keeping up with the Joneses that it's all they know how to talk about.

My only local friend from my generation is a rabid conspiracy freak, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 17, 2009, 07:21:08 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:17:55 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:00:05 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 06:49:34 PM


I started hanging out with post-punkers after I got too old to be a club kid.

I know otherwise-cool people in their mid 20s who still wear trip pants.  :x

Someone come down here and shoot me.

Oh, my god. I always hated those. Especially on boys... they can look cute on really waifish girls.

There's something horrible about it, Nigel, especially on people old enough to know better.  It's like they're trying to remain teenagers forever, like an unshaven Peter Pan with a paunch.  It's depressing as hell.

What the hell ever happened to just wearing blue jeans?

Ew, on old people... shudder.  :x

People need to just embrace their decay.

Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: LMNO on December 17, 2009, 07:22:59 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 17, 2009, 07:19:00 PM
Growing up in a tiny little town, in the middle of nowhere Maine, with a school that had only 200 kids, it was hard for any kind of scene to get any kind of traction.  I was basically a scene of 1.  I was really the only kid in high school that listened to any kind of metal outside of the hair-metal genre.  My junior year of high school was actually spent in southern New Jersey after my Dad was transferred there from the base that closed in Maine.  I was exposed to post-modern music and got into that for awhile.  We moved back to tiny town Maine for my Senior year, and it was then I realized how stuck in the mud the rest of my class had been.  I became even more of an outcast, which was quite a hoot.  Everyone else was into country-western or Christian-pop music.  Oh, and going out of there way to be as "normal" as possible.  

I think I know what you mean, RWHN.  One of my really good friends grew up in rural Maine... and is VERY GAY.  As you might guess, this made his adolescence pretty tough.

Today, he's one of those flamingly gay queens who will stomp your ass into the dirt if you cross him.  
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:24:06 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 17, 2009, 07:22:59 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 17, 2009, 07:19:00 PM
Growing up in a tiny little town, in the middle of nowhere Maine, with a school that had only 200 kids, it was hard for any kind of scene to get any kind of traction.  I was basically a scene of 1.  I was really the only kid in high school that listened to any kind of metal outside of the hair-metal genre.  My junior year of high school was actually spent in southern New Jersey after my Dad was transferred there from the base that closed in Maine.  I was exposed to post-modern music and got into that for awhile.  We moved back to tiny town Maine for my Senior year, and it was then I realized how stuck in the mud the rest of my class had been.  I became even more of an outcast, which was quite a hoot.  Everyone else was into country-western or Christian-pop music.  Oh, and going out of there way to be as "normal" as possible.  

I think I know what you mean, RWHN.  One of my really good friends grew up in rural Maine... and is VERY GAY.  As you might guess, this made his adolescence pretty tough.

Today, he's one of those flamingly gay queens who will stomp your ass into the dirt if you cross him.  

America needs more of those.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 17, 2009, 07:29:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:05:42 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 17, 2009, 07:04:13 PM
* I did discover though that this doesn't work... it just makes you look like an old fool.

THIS.

I mean, the late 20's early 30's chicks still dig it.. but well, they probably shouldn't be wearing what they're wearing either ;-)


QuoteLater in life you can just go with being extremely eccentric.

True enough Nigel... I'm doing pretty well on that end. but, its just one of those many "Well damn, I didn't even know I missed the chance for that sort of experience" kind of regrets. Sorta like 'raves'. Apparently there used to be kick ass raves in Columbus (I don't know man, I didn't do it). There used to be X and dancing till dawn and crazy warehouses and hot chicks and silly outfits... and while I can wear silly outfits and experiment with drugs... it won't ever be the same kind of experience.

I don't think its so much the "I didn't get to be Outlandish" that smarts, but the fact that I completely missed many of the experiences that dominated my generation. Maybe that's silly coming from a Discordian who rants about TYF,S!, but its true nonetheless.

Hell, I was living in NYC at the height of the Club Kids and I even went to a club once where James St. James was... but it was me and three other guys from the Watchtower Headquarters and none of us knew shit about anything... including how to get in the club. Apparently 'club clothes' weren't the same as the clothes you wear to the Kingdom Hall... now I can laugh at that.  :lulz:

I hadn't even considered that aspect of my life until I watched the movie Monster Party and it dawned on me how close I was to something crazy and completely missed it.

The sands of time and all that bullshit.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:32:49 PM
I am glad that I missed the club scene, and the raves.  Loser bars and Johnny Cash and Hank Sr & Jr were good enough for me.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 17, 2009, 07:33:15 PM
When I was about 12, my sister gave me a humorous button that said "Too much is never enough".

I guess I took it to heart.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:34:44 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 07:33:15 PM
When I was about 12, my sister gave me a humorous button that said "Too much is never enough".

I guess I took it to heart.

Too much is always better than not enough.

Your sister was wise.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Freeky on December 17, 2009, 07:41:16 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 07:21:08 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:17:55 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:00:05 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 06:49:34 PM


I started hanging out with post-punkers after I got too old to be a club kid.

I know otherwise-cool people in their mid 20s who still wear trip pants.  :x

Someone come down here and shoot me.

Oh, my god. I always hated those. Especially on boys... they can look cute on really waifish girls.

There's something horrible about it, Nigel, especially on people old enough to know better.  It's like they're trying to remain teenagers forever, like an unshaven Peter Pan with a paunch.  It's depressing as hell.

What the hell ever happened to just wearing blue jeans?

Ew, on old people... shudder.  :x

People need to just embrace their decay.

Hee Hee!

:lulz:MY EX IS 34 AND HAS MORE TRIP PANTS THAN ME! :lulz:

Hee hee!
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:42:47 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 17, 2009, 07:41:16 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 07:21:08 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:17:55 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:00:05 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 06:49:34 PM


I started hanging out with post-punkers after I got too old to be a club kid.

I know otherwise-cool people in their mid 20s who still wear trip pants.  :x

Someone come down here and shoot me.

Oh, my god. I always hated those. Especially on boys... they can look cute on really waifish girls.

There's something horrible about it, Nigel, especially on people old enough to know better.  It's like they're trying to remain teenagers forever, like an unshaven Peter Pan with a paunch.  It's depressing as hell.

What the hell ever happened to just wearing blue jeans?

Ew, on old people... shudder.  :x

People need to just embrace their decay.

Hee Hee!

:lulz:MY EX IS 34 AND HAS MORE TRIP PANTS THAN ME! :lulz:

Hee hee!

He's one of the people I was talking about.

(So are you and the whole coffee group.)
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 17, 2009, 07:44:07 PM
 :horrormirth: I don't know what trip pants are!  :horrormirth:

I had a pair of jeans that were too long once though... made me trip all the time.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: on December 17, 2009, 07:48:22 PM
Its all just smoke, I can walk in and out of almost any party, because those divisions don't mean shit and scene cred doesn't exist.
The people who feel they have to belong to something in order to be comfortable are weak and truly alone.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mangrove on December 17, 2009, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 17, 2009, 07:44:07 PM
:horrormirth: I don't know what trip pants are!  :horrormirth:


Thank you Rat, for posting the post that I was too cowardly to make.



Mang - also doesn't understand 'trip pance'.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Freeky on December 17, 2009, 07:52:23 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:42:47 PM

He's one of the people I was talking about.

(So are you and the whole coffee group.)

Most times, the only reason I wear those is because

A) they are the only clean pair I have or
B) I don't feel like hauling my bag around with me when I go for a walk but still need stuff.

OR C) I'm lazy and they're the closest thing on the floor when I get up.


search.hottopic.com/clothing/Tripp%20Pants
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 17, 2009, 07:54:41 PM
 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Wow, those are some special pants!
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Freeky on December 17, 2009, 07:56:19 PM
Shoosh, you. I like those pants, even if I'm not going to buy any more.

Msts. Freeky,
Missed out on Tripp pants during teenage years.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: AFK on December 17, 2009, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 17, 2009, 07:22:59 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 17, 2009, 07:19:00 PM
Growing up in a tiny little town, in the middle of nowhere Maine, with a school that had only 200 kids, it was hard for any kind of scene to get any kind of traction.  I was basically a scene of 1.  I was really the only kid in high school that listened to any kind of metal outside of the hair-metal genre.  My junior year of high school was actually spent in southern New Jersey after my Dad was transferred there from the base that closed in Maine.  I was exposed to post-modern music and got into that for awhile.  We moved back to tiny town Maine for my Senior year, and it was then I realized how stuck in the mud the rest of my class had been.  I became even more of an outcast, which was quite a hoot.  Everyone else was into country-western or Christian-pop music.  Oh, and going out of there way to be as "normal" as possible.  

I think I know what you mean, RWHN.  One of my really good friends grew up in rural Maine... and is VERY GAY.  As you might guess, this made his adolescence pretty tough.

Today, he's one of those flamingly gay queens who will stomp your ass into the dirt if you cross him.  

I bet it was rough.  If you take Portland south away from Maine, we're a pretty Conservative, Red state.  The doctor who ran the town clinic in my town adopted two African girls when I was in school.  Yep, so they were officially the ONLY black kids in the school.  Hell, probably 2 of the maybe 20 black kids in the whole county.  You want to talk about peer pressure.  When you live in a very homogenized and conservative community, it can be really rough when you stick out, even just a little.  This is why I have a very strong love/hate relationship with my hometown. 
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: AFK on December 17, 2009, 08:08:10 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 17, 2009, 07:52:23 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:42:47 PM

He's one of the people I was talking about.

(So are you and the whole coffee group.)

Most times, the only reason I wear those is because

A) they are the only clean pair I have or
B) I don't feel like hauling my bag around with me when I go for a walk but still need stuff.

OR C) I'm lazy and they're the closest thing on the floor when I get up.


search.hottopic.com/clothing/Tripp%20Pants

I can only hope that when my little girl becomes a teenager that the fashion fad involves that much fabric. 
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Cait M. R. on December 17, 2009, 08:08:59 PM
I'm only "scene" because I enjoy a lot of the music and I'm one of the only people on Earth who honestly enjoys the fashion. Overly flashy clothes, fucked up looking hair (http://i29.tinypic.com/n5j53k.jpg) (man I can't wait till I can afford fucking highlights), appropriating the concept of bling from hip-hop and the gender ambiguity Nigel mentioned. FUCK YES. Unfortunately, almost all of the people are enormous self-important douchebags, and I get more kicks out of trolling them on MySpace then I do trying to be part of their clique.

Also, for those who read too far into my making no immediate distinction between scene and emo, there is a HUGE difference. For one, scene music is everything ever smashed into one damn genre. Glam rock, pop-punk, hardcore punk, hip-hop, rave, FUCKING CHIPTUNES -- I've heard all of them together in one song before. I may have to grab an example at some point, because it's fucking great.

The fashion is mostly connected to emo by the hair. Everything else about it is, as with the music, every pop culture style from the early 80s onward being welded together into SOMETHING UNSPEAKABLE. Look at the linked picture above. IT IS EVERYTHING. All he's missing is cowboy boots and a damn trucker hat. Really. Oh, you want cybergoth too? Same guy. (http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs25/f/2008/110/8/a/Dahvie_Vanity_Digital_Mix_by_littledeadcutie.jpg) How about stereotypical "metal"/"goth" fashion? There's a Dahvie Vanity pic for that. (http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/xartisticxwrathx/default/dahvie-vanity--large-msg-125720972297.jpg) (Dahvie is the unofficial leader of scene.) It's the best thing EVER.

The main thing that IS the same between emo and scene is the people. They're all whiny douchebags and many scene kids are the same ones who were in the emo crowd.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 17, 2009, 09:55:14 PM
I really don't care about the correct intricacies of the emo subculture.

I just know that they look stupid and their music fills me with rage, and that if it weren't extra illegal to assault minors there would be alot of whiny high-school twits with bruised and broken shins.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 17, 2009, 10:02:26 PM
Quote from: Z³ on December 17, 2009, 07:48:22 PM
Its all just smoke, I can walk in and out of almost any party, because those divisions don't mean shit and scene cred doesn't exist.
The people who feel they have to belong to something in order to be comfortable are weak and truly alone.

THIS.

RCH,
more socially ambiguous than The Fonz
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Triple Zero on December 17, 2009, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:17:55 PM
What the hell ever happened to just wearing blue jeans?

Slim cut, boot cut, straight cut, stone-washed or vintage?
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 17, 2009, 10:49:24 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 17, 2009, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:17:55 PM
What the hell ever happened to just wearing blue jeans?

Slim cut, boot cut, straight cut, stone-washed or vintage?

Or Allele?
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Kai on December 17, 2009, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 17, 2009, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:17:55 PM
What the hell ever happened to just wearing blue jeans?

Slim cut, boot cut, straight cut, stone-washed or vintage?

I like boot cut.....they are all flappy when I walk.... :oops:

Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Kai on December 17, 2009, 10:57:39 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 17, 2009, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
What Roger, Pixie, & Pent said.

What's funny is that when I was a kid, the in-thing was to claim you weren't part of a scene, because you and your friends were individuals and did your own thing. We even (thought we) made up a humorous name for ourselves, "disco dykes". It's only in retrospect that I could look back and go, oh, we were just another pack of club kids. Pass the ecstasy and the fabulous gender ambiguity, please.   :lulz:



If you're curious, those people are now called "Lady Gaga fans".

I noticed!  :lulz: And many of my old friends (and me!) adore Lady Gaga. We're all too old to do gender ambiguity anymore, because middle-aged people get fat and hairy and large-assed.

My schtick, back in the day, was dressing like a boy dressed like a girl. I was fabulous, and I didn't count my night a success if I didn't get told that I was "so real" and make out with at least one straight girl who thought she was making out with a tranny. Back when I thought gender-bending was something other than a totally irritating cliche.

Oh, foolish youth!

I don't know whether this post makes me feel  :D or  :sad:
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 17, 2009, 10:58:27 PM
Quote from: Kai on December 17, 2009, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 17, 2009, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:17:55 PM
What the hell ever happened to just wearing blue jeans?

Slim cut, boot cut, straight cut, stone-washed or vintage?

I like boot cut.....they are all flappy when I walk.... :oops:



You just want Bell Bottoms but are too scared ;-)
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Kai on December 17, 2009, 10:59:51 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 17, 2009, 10:58:27 PM
Quote from: Kai on December 17, 2009, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 17, 2009, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:17:55 PM
What the hell ever happened to just wearing blue jeans?

Slim cut, boot cut, straight cut, stone-washed or vintage?

I like boot cut.....they are all flappy when I walk.... :oops:



You just want Bell Bottoms but are too scared ;-)

Whats the difference between bell bottoms and boot cut?
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on December 17, 2009, 11:33:51 PM
Quote from: Kai on December 17, 2009, 10:59:51 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on December 17, 2009, 10:58:27 PM
Quote from: Kai on December 17, 2009, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 17, 2009, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2009, 07:17:55 PM
What the hell ever happened to just wearing blue jeans?

Slim cut, boot cut, straight cut, stone-washed or vintage?

I like boot cut.....they are all flappy when I walk.... :oops:



You just want Bell Bottoms but are too scared ;-)

Whats the difference between bell bottoms and boot cut?

you can hide a small puppy under a bellbottom leg. you cannot with bootcut.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 17, 2009, 11:51:21 PM
Quote from: Kai on December 17, 2009, 10:57:39 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 17, 2009, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
What Roger, Pixie, & Pent said.

What's funny is that when I was a kid, the in-thing was to claim you weren't part of a scene, because you and your friends were individuals and did your own thing. We even (thought we) made up a humorous name for ourselves, "disco dykes". It's only in retrospect that I could look back and go, oh, we were just another pack of club kids. Pass the ecstasy and the fabulous gender ambiguity, please.   :lulz:



If you're curious, those people are now called "Lady Gaga fans".

I noticed!  :lulz: And many of my old friends (and me!) adore Lady Gaga. We're all too old to do gender ambiguity anymore, because middle-aged people get fat and hairy and large-assed.

My schtick, back in the day, was dressing like a boy dressed like a girl. I was fabulous, and I didn't count my night a success if I didn't get told that I was "so real" and make out with at least one straight girl who thought she was making out with a tranny. Back when I thought gender-bending was something other than a totally irritating cliche.

Oh, foolish youth!

I don't know whether this post makes me feel  :D or  :sad:

Awwww!

All I can tell you is that it seemed radical and meaningful when I was young. As I grew older, I realized that just having a functional body was pretty rad, and that trying to blur the lines between what was already an arbitrary set of genes chosen by chance by nature was kind of meaningless.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 17, 2009, 11:51:49 PM
I like boot cut because they fit over my boots.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Freeky on December 18, 2009, 12:04:02 AM
I prefer boot cut because then I can actually walk without the leg holes getting stuck on my calves and irritating me.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Kai on December 18, 2009, 12:31:26 AM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 11:51:21 PM
Quote from: Kai on December 17, 2009, 10:57:39 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 17, 2009, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 17, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
What Roger, Pixie, & Pent said.

What's funny is that when I was a kid, the in-thing was to claim you weren't part of a scene, because you and your friends were individuals and did your own thing. We even (thought we) made up a humorous name for ourselves, "disco dykes". It's only in retrospect that I could look back and go, oh, we were just another pack of club kids. Pass the ecstasy and the fabulous gender ambiguity, please.   :lulz:



If you're curious, those people are now called "Lady Gaga fans".

I noticed!  :lulz: And many of my old friends (and me!) adore Lady Gaga. We're all too old to do gender ambiguity anymore, because middle-aged people get fat and hairy and large-assed.

My schtick, back in the day, was dressing like a boy dressed like a girl. I was fabulous, and I didn't count my night a success if I didn't get told that I was "so real" and make out with at least one straight girl who thought she was making out with a tranny. Back when I thought gender-bending was something other than a totally irritating cliche.

Oh, foolish youth!

I don't know whether this post makes me feel  :D or  :sad:

Awwww!

All I can tell you is that it seemed radical and meaningful when I was young. As I grew older, I realized that just having a functional body was pretty rad, and that trying to blur the lines between what was already an arbitrary set of genes chosen by chance by nature was kind of meaningless.

I guess my reasons are different. Still really cool that you did that when you were younger. A regular genderfuck.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Johnny on December 18, 2009, 05:01:30 AM
Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 17, 2009, 12:35:44 PM
The only real thing attitude-wise that they all shared was the dreaded Special Snowflake syndrome, where they were all, if not the most important people in the world, at least entitled to whatever the hell they wanted. They never really flipped out or anything if they didn't get their way, but they sure bitched about it a lot. It was the main reason I didn't become a part of that group fully
Unbound and unrealistic entitlement; childish narcissism.

Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 17, 2009, 12:35:44 PM
I guess if that's the problem JohNyx has with them, that's great because no one likes a whiner. But I got the impression that his worst problem with them was that instead of doing something about what bothered them, they just sort of bitched about it and kept living. Considering the things being bitched about, I'm personally happy that they just kept living their lives. I can't imagine any good coming from an indignant 15 year old trying to show his mom what's what for not getting him an iPod.
Yea, whining instead of taking action; on that 15 year old wanting an iPod, perhaps instead of bugging its parents, it could get money by doing neighborhood chores or getting a part time job (if its allowed, idk about laws regarding that where you live).

Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 17, 2009, 12:35:44 PM
To conclude, JohNyx fucked up by (from what I gathered) trying to view emo through the same lens as punk and goth: as a counterculture. And it just isn't a counterculture, it doesn't even try to look like one. It's a bunch of teenagers who want to look cool while swinging their egos around, and that's really it.
If its not a "counter-culture", what category/designation would you give it? Not to make a big deal about semantics, but to clarify and understand your posture.

Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 17, 2009, 12:35:44 PM
I will admit I'm speaking entirely from personal experience in a very small segment of Western Pennsylvania, and that said experience is probably atypical. But somehow I doubt that emos ANYWHERE are pretending to give a shit about politics or the state of the world or really much of anything. The very name of the subculture (emo, from emotional) implies getting hyped up about just about everything. And all the little slights leave very little emotional energy to give a shit about civilization sliding into the gutter.
Its very valid to say its not universal behaviour what i meant, it is great geographical distances after all. I dont remember if i wrote of them caring much about "big issues" or "trivial day-to-day issues", but my point was regarding the bitching instead of taking action.


EDIT: I mentioned "discontent" which to me doesnt imply care about "big issues" but i guess it could be read that way, but that wasnt my intention (dissatisfaction). And the description of your acquaintances that i deem "childish narciccism" goes along with what i had named "regressive" in nature.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Johnny on December 18, 2009, 05:13:33 AM
Quote from: Z³ on December 17, 2009, 07:48:22 PM
The people who feel they have to belong to something in order to be comfortable are weak and truly alone.

I think that everyone is alone in some sense, but dressing up and doing stuff just to fit into any group that deviates from your personal quirks, is just fooling oneself to believe one is not alone.*

*Fuck my grammar
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Johnny on December 18, 2009, 05:19:52 AM
Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 17, 2009, 08:08:59 PM
...I'm one of the only people on Earth who honestly enjoys the fashion....

... almost all of the people are enormous self-important douchebags...
A small jest :lulz:

Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 17, 2009, 08:08:59 PMAlso, for those who read too far into my making no immediate distinction between scene and emo, there is a HUGE difference. For one, scene music is everything ever smashed into one damn genre. Glam rock, pop-punk, hardcore punk, hip-hop, rave, FUCKING CHIPTUNES -- I've heard all of them together in one song before. I may have to grab an example at some point, because it's fucking great.

Theres some stuff in the "Musical Atrocities" thread of Apple Talk... i dont recall the name... NYC-something  (BrokeNYC, check youtube) that does those types of fusions if i dont misinterpret what you are saying.

Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Cait M. R. on December 18, 2009, 06:55:03 AM
BrokeNCYDE do SOME of those but they don't hit all of them (for example, no glam, no chiptunes, no pop-punk guitars). I'm talking about bands that hit every single genre I listed in a single song. Blood on the Dance Floor comes close, but they've never hit chiptunes.

Also, the bit you noticed was going on the assumption that these kids only like the fashion because it helps them fit in. It was a generalization, I realize that. I'm sure quite a few people in the group got in because they enjoyed it, and there's probably even a significant number of them somewhere who didn't have their egos pumped so full of wank that they could flatten entire civilizations by swinging them around. I haven't met those ones yet, though.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Cait M. R. on December 18, 2009, 07:25:11 AM
Okay, JohNyx, so I read your answer to my post, it seems basically what happened is a misunderstanding of your original intent. I totally agree that these kids were full of themselves. I don't think that's going to go away though. I think it's only going to get worse.

As for what emo "is" -- I can't really say. It's not really a counterculture because it would LOVE to be completely mainstream. It's really sort of hard to define it because it's really just a group of kids who have sort of common musical tastes and won't tell you to suck it up when you start whining about insipid things.

Lastly, I get the feeling people here think I'm "scene" because I want to fit into that group. Let me tell you, it is the last group of human beings I want to be around. I only like the music and the fashion. The people are awful in ways I find hard to describe. I only know one scene kid who is bearable to be around, and she has some serious problems. (She's also my best friend IRL. Make of that what you will.)
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 18, 2009, 10:19:49 AM
Take it from someone who's seen "Emo" a thousand times under a thousand guises - it's teen angst practised by a bunch of children who are convinced they're the first ones who ever felt this way :lulz:

They're not by the way and history suggests they wont be the last
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: President Television on December 21, 2009, 04:44:53 AM
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm sorry, emo kids might be the nicest people in the world, but their culture sucks. Horribly. It's just so petty and shallow. I guess the same could be said of all teen subcultures, but...
Well, fuck, it could. And would be true. You don't need a subculture. You want individuality? Be an individual. The thing about the scene look is that it's a uniform. You may think you're sticking out, but consider all the effort that you're putting into looking "scene". People don't see you as you, they see you as a scene kid. Here's a homework assignment: Watch the movie SLC Punk! It's extremely relevant to the subject of subcultures and identity. It may change your whole perspective on things and it's fucking entertaining too.

Oh, and scene music is terrible.  :argh!:
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Freeky on December 21, 2009, 05:15:20 AM
Extremely apt, I think, and I did it YEARS ago.






(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/Meiintas/Emomustdie.jpg)
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: NotPublished on December 21, 2009, 05:48:34 AM
CUTE!

The Emo's here are like fungii in Australia, they seem to like dark damp places under the bridges by my understanding.

What breed of Emo's do you have?
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Freeky on December 21, 2009, 07:19:36 PM
I haven't encountered any in a while, so I don't recall.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: President Television on December 22, 2009, 05:58:18 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on December 21, 2009, 05:15:20 AM(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/Meiintas/Emomustdie.jpg)

Emo with an afro.
It rhymes; it'll do.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: maphdet on December 22, 2009, 11:31:06 PM
I must add a rant from 'noxious' Titled "Circle of shit" here:

I know times are hard for you (cause' your a fuckin' emo) and you think you need to share all your problem with everyone (cause your a fuckin' emo) and now I'm trying to help you ( cause your a fuckin' emo). Best of luck. I would have sent this right to you but you're a fuckin' emo and I didn't want the drama.


The short and magical "Circle of Shit" theory resides below.

Quit bitching and crying, it will do your self esteem wonders! This boils down to a theory taught to me by me dad called the "Circle of Shit". If you imagine yourself as the center of a "dart board" or "circle" and assume the the outside areas or quadrants are your friends, work and life.
If you fill those outside areas with crying, complaints, misconceptions and what not (hence the "Shit" in the "Circle of Shit") You soon find yourself surrounded by "shit" and smelling like "shit". Break the circle. Don't smell like like shit.

* does not apply to those that complain sarcastically.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: President Television on December 23, 2009, 12:43:46 AM
Quote from: maphdet on December 22, 2009, 11:31:06 PM
I must add a rant from 'noxious' Titled "Circle of shit" here:

I know times are hard for you (cause' your a fuckin' emo) and you think you need to share all your problem with everyone (cause your a fuckin' emo) and now I'm trying to help you ( cause your a fuckin' emo). Best of luck. I would have sent this right to you but you're a fuckin' emo and I didn't want the drama.


The short and magical "Circle of Shit" theory resides below.

Quit bitching and crying, it will do your self esteem wonders! This boils down to a theory taught to me by me dad called the "Circle of Shit". If you imagine yourself as the center of a "dart board" or "circle" and assume the the outside areas or quadrants are your friends, work and life.
If you fill those outside areas with crying, complaints, misconceptions and what not (hence the "Shit" in the "Circle of Shit") You soon find yourself surrounded by "shit" and smelling like "shit". Break the circle. Don't smell like like shit.

* does not apply to those that complain sarcastically.

:mittens:
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Jenne on December 23, 2009, 04:38:26 AM
Quote from: maphdet on December 22, 2009, 11:31:06 PM
I must add a rant from 'noxious' Titled "Circle of shit" here:

I know times are hard for you (cause' your a fuckin' emo) and you think you need to share all your problem with everyone (cause your a fuckin' emo) and now I'm trying to help you ( cause your a fuckin' emo). Best of luck. I would have sent this right to you but you're a fuckin' emo and I didn't want the drama.


The short and magical "Circle of Shit" theory resides below.

Quit bitching and crying, it will do your self esteem wonders! This boils down to a theory taught to me by me dad called the "Circle of Shit". If you imagine yourself as the center of a "dart board" or "circle" and assume the the outside areas or quadrants are your friends, work and life.
If you fill those outside areas with crying, complaints, misconceptions and what not (hence the "Shit" in the "Circle of Shit") You soon find yourself surrounded by "shit" and smelling like "shit". Break the circle. Don't smell like like shit.

* does not apply to those that complain sarcastically.

Holy shit, maph, you  been on a roll today, chica.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Hangshai on December 23, 2009, 07:26:55 AM
hot topic=over-the-counter culture
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 23, 2009, 10:12:27 AM
Quote from: Hangshai on December 23, 2009, 07:26:55 AM
hot topic=over-the-counter culture

Memebomb
:mittens:
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Cait M. R. on December 23, 2009, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on December 21, 2009, 04:44:53 AM
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm sorry, emo kids might be the nicest people in the world, but their culture sucks. Horribly. It's just so petty and shallow. I guess the same could be said of all teen subcultures, but...
Well, fuck, it could. And would be true. You don't need a subculture. You want individuality? Be an individual. The thing about the scene look is that it's a uniform. You may think you're sticking out, but consider all the effort that you're putting into looking "scene". People don't see you as you, they see you as a scene kid. Here's a homework assignment: Watch the movie SLC Punk! It's extremely relevant to the subject of subcultures and identity. It may change your whole perspective on things and it's fucking entertaining too.

Oh, and scene music is terrible.  :argh!:

Just need to note a few things

A: I don't give a shit if it's a uniform, it's a DAMN PRETTY uniform and I fuckin' LIKE it. Individuality is nice and all, but I like what I like and if individuality gets in the way of that shit, it can go eat Roger's sewage output.
B: I AM NOT PUTTING EFFORT INTO THIS. That implies time spent and money spent beyond what I would be spending normally. Fuck that shit. I get haircuts anyway, why not get haircuts I like? I get clothes anyway, why not get clothes I'd want to wear? It all works out to the same price in the end if I'm doing the damn shopping, is actually easier than finding something else I like (hence time saved) and I'm happy in the end. FUCK YOU FOR SAYING THAT I SHOULDN'T BE HAPPY BECAUSE WHAT I LIKE IS MORE POPULAR THAN MERZBOW AT A FRAT PARTY. BITCH.
C: I can't be assed GIVING A SHIT about how what I like is a business card that refers to the carrier as "I M DOUCHEBAG." I can't be assed caring if the fucking inbred assrabbits with necks so red you could COOK YOUR FUCKING BACON ON THEM in this area don't see me for who "I really am", whatever the fuck that is. I'm going to dress and act and listen to what the fuck I like and if you have a problem with it because it happens to be something that's popular, SHOVE THIS (http://files.myopera.com/paravellean/albums/60743/thumbs/May06maypole.jpg_thumb.jpg) UP YOUR ASS.

</r-prime>
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Cait M. R. on December 23, 2009, 03:11:03 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 18, 2009, 10:19:49 AM
Take it from someone who's seen "Emo" a thousand times under a thousand guises - it's teen angst practised by a bunch of children who are convinced they're the first ones who ever felt this way :lulz:

They're not by the way and history suggests they wont be the last

They'll only feel more entitled every time. THANK YOU SCHOOLING.

Cait,
needs to get drunk then go on PD in the morning more often.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Dimocritus on December 23, 2009, 03:28:41 PM
Emo may suck, but emo girls can be really hawt. Just sayin'
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: LMNO on December 23, 2009, 03:40:16 PM
I have found that in most genres, there is a small contingent of girls who can make it look really good.

Juggalos may be the exception, however.

Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: President Television on December 23, 2009, 03:44:27 PM
Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 23, 2009, 03:07:10 PMJust need to note a few things

A: I don't give a shit if it's a uniform, it's a DAMN PRETTY uniform and I fuckin' LIKE it. Individuality is nice and all, but I like what I like and if individuality gets in the way of that shit, it can go eat Roger's sewage output.
B: I AM NOT PUTTING EFFORT INTO THIS. That implies time spent and money spent beyond what I would be spending normally. Fuck that shit. I get haircuts anyway, why not get haircuts I like? I get clothes anyway, why not get clothes I'd want to wear? It all works out to the same price in the end if I'm doing the damn shopping, is actually easier than finding something else I like (hence time saved) and I'm happy in the end. FUCK YOU FOR SAYING THAT I SHOULDN'T BE HAPPY BECAUSE WHAT I LIKE IS MORE POPULAR THAN MERZBOW AT A FRAT PARTY. BITCH.
C: I can't be assed GIVING A SHIT about how what I like is a business card that refers to the carrier as "I M DOUCHEBAG." I can't be assed caring if the fucking inbred assrabbits with necks so red you could COOK YOUR FUCKING BACON ON THEM in this area don't see me for who "I really am", whatever the fuck that is. I'm going to dress and act and listen to what the fuck I like and if you have a problem with it because it happens to be something that's popular, SHOVE THIS (http://files.myopera.com/paravellean/albums/60743/thumbs/May06maypole.jpg_thumb.jpg) UP YOUR ASS.

</r-prime>

You're funny.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Cait M. R. on December 23, 2009, 04:01:35 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on December 23, 2009, 03:44:27 PM
Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 23, 2009, 03:07:10 PMJust need to note a few things

A: I don't give a shit if it's a uniform, it's a DAMN PRETTY uniform and I fuckin' LIKE it. Individuality is nice and all, but I like what I like and if individuality gets in the way of that shit, it can go eat Roger's sewage output.
B: I AM NOT PUTTING EFFORT INTO THIS. That implies time spent and money spent beyond what I would be spending normally. Fuck that shit. I get haircuts anyway, why not get haircuts I like? I get clothes anyway, why not get clothes I'd want to wear? It all works out to the same price in the end if I'm doing the damn shopping, is actually easier than finding something else I like (hence time saved) and I'm happy in the end. FUCK YOU FOR SAYING THAT I SHOULDN'T BE HAPPY BECAUSE WHAT I LIKE IS MORE POPULAR THAN MERZBOW AT A FRAT PARTY. BITCH.
C: I can't be assed GIVING A SHIT about how what I like is a business card that refers to the carrier as "I M DOUCHEBAG." I can't be assed caring if the fucking inbred assrabbits with necks so red you could COOK YOUR FUCKING BACON ON THEM in this area don't see me for who "I really am", whatever the fuck that is. I'm going to dress and act and listen to what the fuck I like and if you have a problem with it because it happens to be something that's popular, SHOVE THIS (http://files.myopera.com/paravellean/albums/60743/thumbs/May06maypole.jpg_thumb.jpg) UP YOUR ASS.

</r-prime>

You're funny.

You're pretentious.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 04:55:19 PM
Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 23, 2009, 03:07:10 PM
Just need to note a few things

A: I don't give a shit if it's a uniform, it's a DAMN PRETTY uniform and I fuckin' LIKE it. Individuality is nice and all, but I like what I like and if individuality gets in the way of that shit, it can go eat Roger's sewage output.

I expect to be paid for that, of course.  This is some high-quality poop I have here.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on December 23, 2009, 03:44:27 PM
Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 23, 2009, 03:07:10 PMJust need to note a few things

A: I don't give a shit if it's a uniform, it's a DAMN PRETTY uniform and I fuckin' LIKE it. Individuality is nice and all, but I like what I like and if individuality gets in the way of that shit, it can go eat Roger's sewage output.
B: I AM NOT PUTTING EFFORT INTO THIS. That implies time spent and money spent beyond what I would be spending normally. Fuck that shit. I get haircuts anyway, why not get haircuts I like? I get clothes anyway, why not get clothes I'd want to wear? It all works out to the same price in the end if I'm doing the damn shopping, is actually easier than finding something else I like (hence time saved) and I'm happy in the end. FUCK YOU FOR SAYING THAT I SHOULDN'T BE HAPPY BECAUSE WHAT I LIKE IS MORE POPULAR THAN MERZBOW AT A FRAT PARTY. BITCH.
C: I can't be assed GIVING A SHIT about how what I like is a business card that refers to the carrier as "I M DOUCHEBAG." I can't be assed caring if the fucking inbred assrabbits with necks so red you could COOK YOUR FUCKING BACON ON THEM in this area don't see me for who "I really am", whatever the fuck that is. I'm going to dress and act and listen to what the fuck I like and if you have a problem with it because it happens to be something that's popular, SHOVE THIS (http://files.myopera.com/paravellean/albums/60743/thumbs/May06maypole.jpg_thumb.jpg) UP YOUR ASS.

</r-prime>

You're funny.

Look who's talking, dude.  At least she didn't walk around with half her head shaved.  I fail to see how that's any weirder than "scene"...in fact, I'd say it WAS "scene".
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Triple Zero on December 23, 2009, 05:22:11 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 23, 2009, 03:40:16 PM
I have found that in most genres, there is a small contingent of girls who can make it look really good.

fixed.

QuoteJuggalos may be the exception, however.

probably.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: President Television on December 23, 2009, 06:10:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 04:56:47 PM
Look who's talking, dude.  At least she didn't walk around with half her head shaved.  I fail to see how that's any weirder than "scene"...in fact, I'd say it WAS "scene".

I was talking about the huge overreacting response with sections in all-caps accusing me of saying her taste was bad because it was popular (which wasn't actually what I meant, though looking back it does look like it). And I wasn't hating scene for the weirdness so much as the sheer tackiness(hence my whole individuality post, as the only possible justification I can see for such horror is pursuit of individuality), though if you want to get technical, the difference between shaving half a head and scene is that there is no scene for having half a head shaved. The very definition of scene is that there's a scene for it. And my head only stayed like that for a few minutes. I don't even know why I did it in the first place anyway. I occasionally slip into fits of raving lunacy, and I did it during one of those.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Cait M. R. on December 23, 2009, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on December 23, 2009, 06:10:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 04:56:47 PM
Look who's talking, dude.  At least she didn't walk around with half her head shaved.  I fail to see how that's any weirder than "scene"...in fact, I'd say it WAS "scene".

I was talking about the huge overreacting response with sections in all-caps accusing me of saying her taste was bad because it was popular (which wasn't actually what I meant, though looking back it does look like it). And I wasn't hating scene for the weirdness so much as the sheer tackiness(hence my whole individuality post, as the only possible justification I can see for such horror is pursuit of individuality), though if you want to get technical, the difference between shaving half a head and scene is that there is no scene for having half a head shaved. The very definition of scene is that there's a scene for it. And my head only stayed like that for a few minutes. I don't even know why I did it in the first place anyway. I occasionally slip into fits of raving lunacy, and I did it during one of those.

Someone has never heard of R-Prime.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 23, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
I can't be arsed to bother following the intricacies of this overwhelmingly intelligent thread, but emo/scene/whatever you kids are calling your incessant need to be tacky about your stupid angst is indefensible and culturally worthless.

except for "scene-core" music, which is glorious.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 06:43:41 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on December 23, 2009, 06:10:21 PM

I was talking about the huge overreacting response with sections in all-caps accusing me of saying her taste was bad because it was popular (which wasn't actually what I meant, though looking back it does look like it).

Maybe she's sick of hearing it?
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 23, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
I can't be arsed to bother following the intricacies of this overwhelmingly intelligent thread, but emo/scene/whatever you kids humans are calling your incessant need to be tacky about your stupid angst behavior in general is indefensible and culturally worthless.

except for "scene-core" Tom Jones' music, which is glorious.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Hangshai on December 23, 2009, 06:53:17 PM
History of Emo in one paragraph.


I remember in the 80s it was called 'modern rock'.  Then 'College Rock'.  Then Kurt came along (god bless his bedeviled soul), and we called it 'Alternative'.  Then a bunch of other guys came along and we didnt have a name for it.  But it was on independent record labels, so we called it 'indie stuff'.  Then, all THOSE bands either ODed or quit, BECAUSE they were on indie labels, and never got on MTV or made any money, and driving around the USA with four assholes in an Econoline van can't be a viable career choice, so it died again for a while...  Then Makeoutclub appeared...  And now we have GHEY.

and that there is what it is...
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 23, 2009, 07:02:10 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 23, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
I can't be arsed to bother following the intricacies of this overwhelmingly intelligent thread, but emo/scene/whatever you kids humans are calling your incessant need to be tacky about your stupid angst behavior in general is indefensible and culturally worthless.

except for "scene-core" Tom Jones' music, which is glorious.

Fixed.

logical fallacy.

if everything is tacky, there's no counterpoint for "tacky" to be measured against, rendering the concept invalid.

we have to draw the line somewhere, Roger.

I draw it at kids that look like this:

(http://tipdeck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/How-to-be-a-Scene-Kid.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KZ5qdgu3avM/Sewp0kmVc1I/AAAAAAAABNA/PiHdjmM47f0/s400/Scene+kids2.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_p39Trjz5E-o/SbXnOrlBwzI/AAAAAAAAAt8/GvDUBGchqmk/s800/mad+rad+scene+hairstyle.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_x3hJz_-bB3Q/SUfJpRFxQvI/AAAAAAAAAJw/HEyZpYb30YY/s400/scene%2Bboys%2Bhaircuts.jpg)
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 07:09:08 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 23, 2009, 07:02:10 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 23, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
I can't be arsed to bother following the intricacies of this overwhelmingly intelligent thread, but emo/scene/whatever you kids humans are calling your incessant need to be tacky about your stupid angst behavior in general is indefensible and culturally worthless.

except for "scene-core" Tom Jones' music, which is glorious.

Fixed.

logical fallacy.

if everything is tacky, there's no counterpoint for "tacky" to be measured against, rendering the concept invalid.

we have to draw the line somewhere, Roger.

I draw it at kids that look like this:

(http://tipdeck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/How-to-be-a-Scene-Kid.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KZ5qdgu3avM/Sewp0kmVc1I/AAAAAAAABNA/PiHdjmM47f0/s400/Scene+kids2.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_p39Trjz5E-o/SbXnOrlBwzI/AAAAAAAAAt8/GvDUBGchqmk/s800/mad+rad+scene+hairstyle.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_x3hJz_-bB3Q/SUfJpRFxQvI/AAAAAAAAAJw/HEyZpYb30YY/s400/scene%2Bboys%2Bhaircuts.jpg)

A draw the line at monkeys wearing clothes.

And please never do that again.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: President Television on December 23, 2009, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 23, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
I can't be arsed to bother following the intricacies of this overwhelmingly intelligent thread, but emo/scene/whatever you kids humans are calling your incessant need to be tacky about your stupid angst behavior in general is indefensible and culturally worthless.

except for "scene-core" Tom Jones' music, which is glorious.

Fixed.

Haha. It's not unusual to agree with you on that.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 07:26:32 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on December 23, 2009, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 23, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
I can't be arsed to bother following the intricacies of this overwhelmingly intelligent thread, but emo/scene/whatever you kids humans are calling your incessant need to be tacky about your stupid angst behavior in general is indefensible and culturally worthless.

except for "scene-core" Tom Jones' music, which is glorious.

Fixed.

Haha. It's not unusual to agree with you on that.

Oh, Goddammit.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: President Television on December 23, 2009, 07:27:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 07:26:32 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on December 23, 2009, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 23, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
I can't be arsed to bother following the intricacies of this overwhelmingly intelligent thread, but emo/scene/whatever you kids humans are calling your incessant need to be tacky about your stupid angst behavior in general is indefensible and culturally worthless.

except for "scene-core" Tom Jones' music, which is glorious.

Fixed.

Haha. It's not unusual to agree with you on that.

Oh, Goddammit.

What's new, Reverend? WHOAHAOAOAHOAOH
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: LMNO on December 23, 2009, 07:37:52 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 23, 2009, 07:02:10 PM

if everything is tacky, there's no counterpoint for "tacky" to be measured against, rendering the concept invalid.

we have to draw the line somewhere, Roger.

I draw it at kids that look like this:

(http://tipdeck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/How-to-be-a-Scene-Kid.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KZ5qdgu3avM/Sewp0kmVc1I/AAAAAAAABNA/PiHdjmM47f0/s400/Scene+kids2.jpg)



To be honest, I'd hit it.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 07:40:08 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 23, 2009, 07:37:52 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 23, 2009, 07:02:10 PM

if everything is tacky, there's no counterpoint for "tacky" to be measured against, rendering the concept invalid.

we have to draw the line somewhere, Roger.

I draw it at kids that look like this:

(http://tipdeck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/How-to-be-a-Scene-Kid.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KZ5qdgu3avM/Sewp0kmVc1I/AAAAAAAABNA/PiHdjmM47f0/s400/Scene+kids2.jpg)



To be honest, I'd hit it.

Um, it's about 16 years old, by my guess.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 07:40:42 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on December 23, 2009, 07:27:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 07:26:32 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on December 23, 2009, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 23, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
I can't be arsed to bother following the intricacies of this overwhelmingly intelligent thread, but emo/scene/whatever you kids humans are calling your incessant need to be tacky about your stupid angst behavior in general is indefensible and culturally worthless.

except for "scene-core" Tom Jones' music, which is glorious.

Fixed.

Haha. It's not unusual to agree with you on that.

Oh, Goddammit.

What's new, Reverend? WHOAHAOAOAHOAOH

You'll die for that.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: President Television on December 23, 2009, 07:43:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 07:40:42 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on December 23, 2009, 07:27:56 PM
What's new, Reverend? WHOAHAOAOAHOAOH

You'll die for that.

Reverend, Reverend, I love you. Yes I do.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Cait M. R. on December 23, 2009, 07:45:05 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 23, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
I can't be arsed to bother following the intricacies of this overwhelmingly intelligent thread, but emo/scene/whatever you kids are calling your incessant need to be tacky about your stupid angst is indefensible and culturally worthless.

except for "scene-core" music, which is glorious.

Hey now, I'm not being tacky about my angst. That's all the other scene kids. I'm being tacky because I want to be cool like them. Because, you know, no one could ever honestly enjoy something other people don't see any purpose to.

Seriously though, I like scene fashion even though I hate the people. See that last guy you posted? That guy is probably an enormous twat. But I want that fucking hair. (Okay, not really. I want THIS (http://img1.visualizeus.com/thumbs/09/07/01/bow,cute,hair,haircuts,headband,pink-27d085203e8b7fba1dc4ed1e213788f9_h.jpg) hair.)
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 07:46:59 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on December 23, 2009, 07:43:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 07:40:42 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on December 23, 2009, 07:27:56 PM
What's new, Reverend? WHOAHAOAOAHOAOH

You'll die for that.

Reverend, Reverend, I love you. Yes I do.

:walken:
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 07:48:27 PM
Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 23, 2009, 07:45:05 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 23, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
I can't be arsed to bother following the intricacies of this overwhelmingly intelligent thread, but emo/scene/whatever you kids are calling your incessant need to be tacky about your stupid angst is indefensible and culturally worthless.

except for "scene-core" music, which is glorious.

Hey now, I'm not being tacky about my angst. That's all the other scene kids. I'm being tacky because I want to be cool like them. Because, you know, no one could ever honestly enjoy something other people don't see any purpose to.

Seriously though, I like scene fashion even though I hate the people. See that last guy you posted? That guy is probably an enormous twat. But I want that fucking hair. (Okay, not really. I want THIS (http://img1.visualizeus.com/thumbs/09/07/01/bow,cute,hair,haircuts,headband,pink-27d085203e8b7fba1dc4ed1e213788f9_h.jpg) hair.)

What guy he posted?
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: LMNO on December 23, 2009, 08:06:19 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 07:40:08 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 23, 2009, 07:37:52 PM

To be honest, I'd hit it.

Um, it's about 16 years old, by my guess.


To be honest, I'd check it's ID, and then hit it, provided it was leagally allowable to do so.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 08:11:13 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 23, 2009, 08:06:19 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 23, 2009, 07:40:08 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 23, 2009, 07:37:52 PM

To be honest, I'd hit it.

Um, it's about 16 years old, by my guess.


To be honest, I'd check it's ID, and then hit it, provided it was leagally allowable to do so.

Wait.  Was that even a chick?  Looks like one.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: LMNO on December 23, 2009, 08:22:22 PM
In those pics I copied, it was two chicks & one dude.




LMNO
-not terribly picky, at times.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 23, 2009, 08:32:29 PM
Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 23, 2009, 07:45:05 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 23, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
I can't be arsed to bother following the intricacies of this overwhelmingly intelligent thread, but emo/scene/whatever you kids are calling your incessant need to be tacky about your stupid angst is indefensible and culturally worthless.

except for "scene-core" music, which is glorious.

Hey now, I'm not being tacky about my angst. That's all the other scene kids. I'm being tacky because I want to be cool like them. Because, you know, no one could ever honestly enjoy something other people don't see any purpose to.

Seriously though, I like scene fashion even though I hate the people. See that last guy you posted? That guy is probably an enormous twat. But I want that fucking hair. (Okay, not really. I want THIS (http://img1.visualizeus.com/thumbs/09/07/01/bow,cute,hair,haircuts,headband,pink-27d085203e8b7fba1dc4ed1e213788f9_h.jpg) hair.)

hitler enjoyed exterminating jews.

just saying.

RCH,
Godwin's Law invoked, E/O/T.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Reginald Ret on December 23, 2009, 08:50:18 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 23, 2009, 08:32:29 PM
Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 23, 2009, 07:45:05 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 23, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
I can't be arsed to bother following the intricacies of this overwhelmingly intelligent thread, but emo/scene/whatever you kids are calling your incessant need to be tacky about your stupid angst is indefensible and culturally worthless.

except for "scene-core" music, which is glorious.

Hey now, I'm not being tacky about my angst. That's all the other scene kids. I'm being tacky because I want to be cool like them. Because, you know, no one could ever honestly enjoy something other people don't see any purpose to.

Seriously though, I like scene fashion even though I hate the people. See that last guy you posted? That guy is probably an enormous twat. But I want that fucking hair. (Okay, not really. I want THIS (http://img1.visualizeus.com/thumbs/09/07/01/bow,cute,hair,haircuts,headband,pink-27d085203e8b7fba1dc4ed1e213788f9_h.jpg) hair.)

hitler enjoyed exterminating jews.

just saying.

RCH,
Godwin's Law invoked, E/O/T.
No no no!
the holocaust had a purpose.
And don't you deny it!
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: maphdet on December 23, 2009, 10:26:40 PM
Quote from: Jenne on December 23, 2009, 04:38:26 AM
Quote from: maphdet on December 22, 2009, 11:31:06 PM
I must add a rant from 'noxious' Titled "Circle of shit" here:

I know times are hard for you (cause' your a fuckin' emo) and you think you need to share all your problem with everyone (cause your a fuckin' emo) and now I'm trying to help you ( cause your a fuckin' emo). Best of luck. I would have sent this right to you but you're a fuckin' emo and I didn't want the drama.


The short and magical "Circle of Shit" theory resides below.

Quit bitching and crying, it will do your self esteem wonders! This boils down to a theory taught to me by me dad called the "Circle of Shit". If you imagine yourself as the center of a "dart board" or "circle" and assume the the outside areas or quadrants are your friends, work and life.
If you fill those outside areas with crying, complaints, misconceptions and what not (hence the "Shit" in the "Circle of Shit") You soon find yourself surrounded by "shit" and smelling like "shit". Break the circle. Don't smell like like shit.

* does not apply to those that complain sarcastically.

Holy shit, maph, you  been on a roll today, chica.

Jenne-Long time Bonita!
have to post once in a while.
;)
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Dimocritus on December 23, 2009, 10:43:22 PM
(http://img1.visualizeus.com/thumbs/09/07/01/bow,cute,hair,haircuts,headband,pink-27d085203e8b7fba1dc4ed1e213788f9_h.jpg)

Say what you will, but this is pretty hot (the hair, that is. The retardedly huge fake eyelashes are no good). If only there were natural pink-heads.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: NotPublished on December 23, 2009, 10:52:16 PM
I would say thats Punk
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: maphdet on December 23, 2009, 10:55:31 PM
I would say that's fucking PINK.
:lol:
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: President Television on December 23, 2009, 11:38:31 PM
Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 23, 2009, 07:45:05 PM
I'm being tacky because I want to be cool like them.

Sigged.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Cait M. R. on December 24, 2009, 01:04:23 AM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on December 23, 2009, 11:38:31 PM
Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 23, 2009, 07:45:05 PM
I'm being tacky because I want to be cool like them.

Sigged.

Someone doesn't understand SARCASM. He also likes cutting things out of context and flaunting them in order to discredit people who like things he doesn't.

TL;DR: someone is a douchebag.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 24, 2009, 01:14:09 AM
Quote from: dimo on December 23, 2009, 10:43:22 PM
(http://img1.visualizeus.com/thumbs/09/07/01/bow,cute,hair,haircuts,headband,pink-27d085203e8b7fba1dc4ed1e213788f9_h.jpg)

Say what you will, but this is pretty hot (the hair, that is. The retardedly huge fake eyelashes are no good). If only there were natural pink-heads.

the pink hair is OK, but the fake eyelashes, the stupid color contacts, and the hunks of metal stuck in her face are just wicked fuckin' ugly.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Cait M. R. on December 24, 2009, 01:22:29 AM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 24, 2009, 01:14:09 AM
Quote from: dimo on December 23, 2009, 10:43:22 PM
(http://img1.visualizeus.com/thumbs/09/07/01/bow,cute,hair,haircuts,headband,pink-27d085203e8b7fba1dc4ed1e213788f9_h.jpg)

Say what you will, but this is pretty hot (the hair, that is. The retardedly huge fake eyelashes are no good). If only there were natural pink-heads.

the pink hair is OK, but the fake eyelashes, the stupid color contacts, and the hunks of metal stuck in her face are just wicked fuckin' ugly.

I did say the hair. Fucking eyelashes are hideous. I don't think the lip rings or contacts are bad, though that's certainly because I like scene to begin with.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: President Television on December 24, 2009, 01:42:17 AM
Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 24, 2009, 01:04:23 AM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on December 23, 2009, 11:38:31 PM
Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 23, 2009, 07:45:05 PM
I'm being tacky because I want to be cool like them.

Sigged.

Someone doesn't understand SARCASM. He also likes cutting things out of context and flaunting them in order to discredit people who like things he doesn't.

TL;DR: someone is a douchebag.

Lol, it's nothing against you. I just found the sentence amusing. I would have sigged it regardless of who said it.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Cait M. R. on December 24, 2009, 02:11:08 AM
Ah, fair enough. I'm used to people with no sense of humor who will do anything they can to make people look bad if they don't like them. Unfortunately, usually they fail at that too. So, yeah, sorry.

Also, I -really- need to stop going to CoG.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: President Television on December 24, 2009, 02:16:24 AM
Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 24, 2009, 02:11:08 AM
Ah, fair enough. I'm used to people with no sense of humor who will do anything they can to make people look bad if they don't like them. Unfortunately, usually they fail at that too. So, yeah, sorry.

No problemo.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 24, 2009, 03:58:59 AM
Quote from: dimo on December 23, 2009, 10:43:22 PM
(http://img1.visualizeus.com/thumbs/09/07/01/bow,cute,hair,haircuts,headband,pink-27d085203e8b7fba1dc4ed1e213788f9_h.jpg)

Say what you will, but this is pretty hot (the hair, that is. The retardedly huge fake eyelashes are no good). If only there were natural pink-heads.

The lip rings spoil her looks.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 24, 2009, 04:07:53 AM
anyway, who wants to make out with a mouthful of tinfoil?
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Hangshai on December 24, 2009, 04:09:39 AM
Ill take this over that any day.  Classic beauty is underrated.

(http://www.scarlettjohansson.cc/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/orig_scarlett_johansson_brightens_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Jasper on December 24, 2009, 07:27:09 AM
I'd never wear a ring for it, but sometimes facial piercings, tattoos, dyed hair, and fake eyelashes are kinda hot.  ON the right person.


Felix,
Nothing more to add. 
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Reginald Ret on December 24, 2009, 09:42:11 AM
I Approve of the direction this thread is going.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: LMNO on December 24, 2009, 01:31:31 PM
Quote from: dimo on December 23, 2009, 10:43:22 PM
(http://img1.visualizeus.com/thumbs/09/07/01/bow,cute,hair,haircuts,headband,pink-27d085203e8b7fba1dc4ed1e213788f9_h.jpg)

Say what you will, but this is pretty hot (the hair, that is. The retardedly huge fake eyelashes are no good). If only there were natural pink-heads.

Quote from: NotPublished on December 23, 2009, 10:52:16 PM
I would say thats Punk




I WILL KILL A MOTHERFUCKER.



:crankey:
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: maphdet on December 24, 2009, 03:24:21 PM
Quote from: Hangshai on December 24, 2009, 04:09:39 AM
Ill take this over that any day.  Classic beauty is underrated.

(http://www.scarlettjohansson.cc/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/orig_scarlett_johansson_brightens_o.jpg)

Either her or the below:
(http://maaadddog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/sophia_loren.jpg)

Classic to it's finest. (but then it's all about a matter of taste)
*loves the above pic*

Ok thinks this is a hijack-apologies.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Cait M. R. on December 24, 2009, 07:15:50 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 24, 2009, 01:31:31 PM
Quote from: dimo on December 23, 2009, 10:43:22 PM
(http://img1.visualizeus.com/thumbs/09/07/01/bow,cute,hair,haircuts,headband,pink-27d085203e8b7fba1dc4ed1e213788f9_h.jpg)

Say what you will, but this is pretty hot (the hair, that is. The retardedly huge fake eyelashes are no good). If only there were natural pink-heads.

Quote from: NotPublished on December 23, 2009, 10:52:16 PM
I would say thats Punk




I WILL KILL A MOTHERFUCKER.



:crankey:

I'll help. Unlike you (I'm assuming, anyway), I'm not particularly insulted by the comparison. On the other hand, the ignorance is intolerable.

I badly want to go into a long and detailed history of what brought about scene now, and how it's only connection to punk is the very tenuous and indirect one of pop-punk. (I.e., only by vague association with something related in name only.) But I don't think anyone cares, 'cept me.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 24, 2009, 07:17:52 PM
Quote from: Hangshai on December 24, 2009, 04:09:39 AM
Ill take this over that any day.  Classic beauty is underrated.

(http://www.scarlettjohansson.cc/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/orig_scarlett_johansson_brightens_o.jpg)

Little too skinny for my taste, but very nice looking.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 24, 2009, 07:19:01 PM
Quote from: NotPublished on December 23, 2009, 10:52:16 PM
I would say thats Punk

I would say that's Treasure Troll.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Eater of Clowns on December 24, 2009, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 24, 2009, 07:17:52 PM
Little too skinny for my taste, but very nice looking.

True, Scarlett Johansen was way better looking with just a little more to her.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Freeky on December 25, 2009, 03:06:34 AM
I don't have a picture of her, but I have a friend with three toungue rings and various facial piercings. It works for her.

  :fap:
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: President Television on December 25, 2009, 03:34:30 AM
Quote from: Felix on December 24, 2009, 07:27:09 AM
I'd never wear a ring for it, but sometimes facial piercings, tattoos, dyed hair, and fake eyelashes are kinda hot.  ON the right person.


Felix,
Nothing more to add. 

I see what you did there, you sly boots.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: NotPublished on December 25, 2009, 10:53:02 AM
Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 24, 2009, 07:15:50 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 24, 2009, 01:31:31 PM
Quote from: NotPublished on December 23, 2009, 10:52:16 PM
I would say thats Punk
I WILL KILL A MOTHERFUCKER.
:crankey:
I'll help. Unlike you (I'm assuming, anyway), I'm not particularly insulted by the comparison. On the other hand, the ignorance is intolerable.

I badly want to go into a long and detailed history of what brought about scene now, and how it's only connection to punk is the very tenuous and indirect one of pop-punk. (I.e., only by vague association with something related in name only.) But I don't think anyone cares, 'cept me.

Well, what is it then?
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Cait M. R. on December 25, 2009, 01:00:33 PM
Scene is, like goth and emo, two seperate but related things: a musical style and a fashion style.* Neither of these have a simple definition, or even something you could kind of force them into.

Scene fashion is primarily a mix of 80's fashion (especially glam), an offshoot of rave fashion known as "cyberkid" (a mix of the ever-popular "candy raver" style and cybergoth), and prep fashion. The only connection between scene and emo is the hair, and that's even seperated by a tendency for brightly colored styles. It doesn't really fit neatly in any category. (You could make an argument for it being a sort of neo-glam, but that's the best I got.)

Scene music. Oh boy. Where do I start? Alright... Scene music is, at its core, three genres mixed together. Post-hardcore in the vein of "screamo" (which I refer to as altcore, to distinguish it from the original early-to-mid 90's screamo which sounds NOTHING like it), late 90's alt-rock (especially pop-punk and powerpop) and "rave"** music.

The mixture of the first two by themselves defined emo's music (mostly), and scene pretty much swallowed emo music alive (all scene kids like The Used) and mixed in rave. Big, heaping helpings of rave. I have a theory that it was started by pissed-off ravers after they lost their entire subculture to dubstep. Whatever happened, immediately after this, scene music split into 4 camps. I'll refer to them as "gangsta", "hardcore", "prep" and "traditional".

Gangsta scene is the mixture of scene music with gangsta rap, RnB, more rave (!) and 90's hard rock (better known as nu metal or mallcore), and the infamous crunkcore is a more specific offshoot of this. Hardcore scene went for extreme metal, and singlehandedly invented deathcore. Prep scene completely devoured and replaced the genres of pop punk and powerpop. Traditional scene just kept doing what it was doing. Great examples of each are Hollywood Undead, A Day To Remember, Forever the Sickest Kids and Asking Alexandria, respectively.

What's the point of explaining this? To show you why I can't just answer "what is it?" No one explanation suits all cases, or even a majority of popular cases. Kill Paradise, for example, is scene, and they have no rock in their music at all, or even any alt-rock influence in the vocals. There's even instrumental chiptune artists whose music is scene. (Seriously.) The best you can do is just put it in its own category for now and hope someday it starts making sense.




* Scene fashion and scene music are actually more unconnected than the others. Most scene kids and musicians ignore scene fashion altogether and still call themselves scene.
** Rave is not actually a genre. I refer here to the Holy Trinity of The Rave: vocal trance, happy hardcore, hard house.
*** Yes, I wrote this on Christmas morning. That should tell you how awesome my Christmas was.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 25, 2009, 05:25:04 PM
Who the fuck fucking even cares about this shit? Do we look 12?
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 25, 2009, 05:25:38 PM
Go to Burning Man, eat a dick. Whatever. Seriously.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Salty on December 25, 2009, 09:17:42 PM
WHITE CHOCOLATE GANGSTA EMO SCENE* PUNK NEOVISIGOTH SKA PREPPY HIPPY STONER SKATER OR GTFO.




*OR LANDSCAPE IF THAT IS YOUR THING.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Cain on December 25, 2009, 09:18:37 PM
Neo-folk landscape or classic landscape?
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Salty on December 25, 2009, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 25, 2009, 09:18:37 PM
Neo-folk landscape or classic landscape?

NO ONE "GETS" ME!
*pouts*


Classic.



Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 25, 2009, 09:50:40 PM
GOATSECORE OR GTFO
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: NotPublished on December 25, 2009, 10:15:30 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 25, 2009, 05:25:38 PM
Go to Burning Man, eat a dick. Whatever. Seriously.

I would if I could  :sad:

@Cait M. R. - Whoa, thanks for the explanation... I hope your Christmas gets awesomer atleast :P
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Salty on December 25, 2009, 11:20:36 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 25, 2009, 09:50:40 PM
GOATSECORE OR GTFO

You G-Cores are always bustin' up the clubs with your prolapse and lard-based lubricants.

And the music! Can you try and make some dance beats that don't sound like an overgrown labia flapping in the wind?

All I hear is flpthlplplplthflp.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 26, 2009, 12:49:09 AM
Quote from: NotPublished on December 25, 2009, 10:15:30 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 25, 2009, 05:25:38 PM
Go to Burning Man, eat a dick. Whatever. Seriously.

I would if I could  :sad:


:lulz:

Me too.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 26, 2009, 12:49:36 AM
Quote from: Alty on December 25, 2009, 11:20:36 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 25, 2009, 09:50:40 PM
GOATSECORE OR GTFO

You G-Cores are always bustin' up the clubs with your prolapse and lard-based lubricants.

And the music! Can you try and make some dance beats that don't sound like an overgrown labia flapping in the wind?

All I hear is flpthlplplplthflp.
:lulz: :mittens:
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 28, 2009, 07:10:34 AM
Quote from: Cait M. R. on December 25, 2009, 01:00:33 PM
Scene is, like goth and emo, two seperate but related things: a musical style and a fashion style.* Neither of these have a simple definition, or even something you could kind of force them into.

Scene fashion is primarily a mix of 80's fashion (especially glam), an offshoot of rave fashion known as "cyberkid" (a mix of the ever-popular "candy raver" style and cybergoth), and prep fashion. The only connection between scene and emo is the hair, and that's even seperated by a tendency for brightly colored styles. It doesn't really fit neatly in any category. (You could make an argument for it being a sort of neo-glam, but that's the best I got.)

Scene music. Oh boy. Where do I start? Alright... Scene music is, at its core, three genres mixed together. Post-hardcore in the vein of "screamo" (which I refer to as altcore, to distinguish it from the original early-to-mid 90's screamo which sounds NOTHING like it), late 90's alt-rock (especially pop-punk and powerpop) and "rave"** music.

The mixture of the first two by themselves defined emo's music (mostly), and scene pretty much swallowed emo music alive (all scene kids like The Used) and mixed in rave. Big, heaping helpings of rave. I have a theory that it was started by pissed-off ravers after they lost their entire subculture to dubstep. Whatever happened, immediately after this, scene music split into 4 camps. I'll refer to them as "gangsta", "hardcore", "prep" and "traditional".

Gangsta scene is the mixture of scene music with gangsta rap, RnB, more rave (!) and 90's hard rock (better known as nu metal or mallcore), and the infamous crunkcore is a more specific offshoot of this. Hardcore scene went for extreme metal, and singlehandedly invented deathcore. Prep scene completely devoured and replaced the genres of pop punk and powerpop. Traditional scene just kept doing what it was doing. Great examples of each are Hollywood Undead, A Day To Remember, Forever the Sickest Kids and Asking Alexandria, respectively.

What's the point of explaining this? To show you why I can't just answer "what is it?" No one explanation suits all cases, or even a majority of popular cases. Kill Paradise, for example, is scene, and they have no rock in their music at all, or even any alt-rock influence in the vocals. There's even instrumental chiptune artists whose music is scene. (Seriously.) The best you can do is just put it in its own category for now and hope someday it starts making sense.




* Scene fashion and scene music are actually more unconnected than the others. Most scene kids and musicians ignore scene fashion altogether and still call themselves scene.
** Rave is not actually a genre. I refer here to the Holy Trinity of The Rave: vocal trance, happy hardcore, hard house.
*** Yes, I wrote this on Christmas morning. That should tell you how awesome my Christmas was.

I'm starting to give even less of a fuck about this shit than I already did and I sort of want to tell you to shut up about it now, but I also feel compelled to continue the conversation long enough to point out to you that:

1) A Day To Remember isn't anything even remotely approaching deathcore. At best, they're the first screamo-pop band that doesn't totally suck.

and

2) Deathcore has been around as an "identified" genre WAY longer than the whole "scene" scene has been around, and is in no way descended from or even related to scene.

and

3) The endless and pointless sub-categorization and over-hyphenation of music is fucking retarded.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Johnny on December 28, 2009, 07:21:26 AM

But what about rave-hardcore-screamo-glam-cybergoth ???  :sad:
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 28, 2009, 08:02:45 AM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on December 28, 2009, 07:10:34 AM

I'm starting to give even less of a fuck about this shit than I already did and I sort of want to tell you to shut up about it now, but I also feel compelled to continue the conversation long enough to point out to you that:

1) A Day To Remember isn't anything even remotely approaching deathcore. At best, they're the first screamo-pop band that doesn't totally suck.

and

2) Deathcore has been around as an "identified" genre WAY longer than the whole "scene" scene has been around, and is in no way descended from or even related to scene.

and

3) The endless and pointless sub-categorization and over-hyphenation of music is fucking retarded.

You, sir, are :mittens:.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Hangshai on December 28, 2009, 09:00:35 AM
It seems like with music nowadays, no matter what the genre, the bands coming out are all manufactured like NSync or Backstreet Boys.  A prepackaged group of 30+ teen idols for 12 year old girls.  There doesnt seem to be any innovation in music anymore, and the old process of a band being signed to a label, and then developing on that label will never happen again.  We will never have a band like Pink Floyd or Led Zepplin or even the Pixies...  All thats left is pop groups and number 1 hit singles.

(Am I doing this

:deadhorse:   ?)
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: The Johnny on December 28, 2009, 09:20:01 AM
Quote from: Hangshai on December 28, 2009, 09:00:35 AM
It seems like with music nowadays, no matter what the genre, the bands coming out are all manufactured like NSync or Backstreet Boys.  A prepackaged group of 30+ teen idols for 12 year old girls.  There doesnt seem to be any innovation in music anymore, and the old process of a band being signed to a label, and then developing on that label will never happen again.  We will never have a band like Pink Floyd or Led Zepplin or even the Pixies...  All thats left is pop groups and number 1 hit singles.

(Am I doing this

:deadhorse:   ?)

I would agree, but not as an absolute, more like a general tendency. Id say in music, there is always needles in the hay.

Bands from 2005 forward that i like are:

-Cansei De Ser Sexy
-M83
-Garbage
-Queen Adreena
-White Stripes
-Goldfrapp
-Scarling
-H.I.M.
-Dresden Dolls
-Ministry
-Sonic Youth
-Artrosis
-Melvis
-Birthday Massacre
-Speedcore (recent music genre)

This is just my personal subjective examples, and although some of these bands were created before 2005, my point is that theres some good music around.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: LMNO on December 28, 2009, 01:50:08 PM
Three bands that do not conform to Hang's theory:

Grizzly Bear
XX
Dirty Projectors

Hint: If you listen to commercial radio, you will hear commercial bands.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: AFK on December 28, 2009, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: Hangshai on December 28, 2009, 09:00:35 AM
It seems like with music nowadays, no matter what the genre, the bands coming out are all manufactured like NSync or Backstreet Boys.  A prepackaged group of 30+ teen idols for 12 year old girls.  There doesnt seem to be any innovation in music anymore, and the old process of a band being signed to a label, and then developing on that label will never happen again.  We will never have a band like Pink Floyd or Led Zepplin or even the Pixies...  All thats left is pop groups and number 1 hit singles.

(Am I doing this

:deadhorse:   ?)

I don't know.  I think it's like LMNO points out.  If you use commercial outlets as the measuring stick, well sure.  I've been a metal-head for a long time, and I've seen peaks and valleys.  When metal blew up in the late 70s/early 80s, there was some pretty good shit coming out.  Then, it kind of stagnated for a few years and then blew up again in the early 90s.  Now, in the late 00's, the folk metal genre is starting to really develop and there are some bands like Moonsorrow, Eluveitie, and Finntroll who are putting out some pretty impressive, and different, stuff.  But, at the same time, you have the metalcore puppy-mill churning out the Lamb of Gods, Hatebreeds, Triviums, Shadows Falls, etc.,

So, maybe you just need to look more. 
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: President Television on December 30, 2009, 04:47:59 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 28, 2009, 02:05:55 PM
I don't know.  I think it's like LMNO points out.  If you use commercial outlets as the measuring stick, well sure.  I've been a metal-head for a long time, and I've seen peaks and valleys.  When metal blew up in the late 70s/early 80s, there was some pretty good shit coming out.  Then, it kind of stagnated for a few years and then blew up again in the early 90s.  Now, in the late 00's, the folk metal genre is starting to really develop and there are some bands like Moonsorrow, Eluveitie, and Finntroll who are putting out some pretty impressive, and different, stuff.  But, at the same time, you have the metalcore puppy-mill churning out the Lamb of Gods, Hatebreeds, Triviums, Shadows Falls, etc.,

So, maybe you just need to look more. 

This. Personally, I generally prefer older bands, and I'll admit that most of the bands that are around now that I like have been around since at least the 90s, but there are good new bands out there.

Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjrVFqKt6_I

The trouble is that there's this big scene of asshole hipsters who pride themselves on knowing obscure bands. I've actually avoided looking for good bands out of fear of becoming one of them. A life spent chasing indie cred is a terrible thing indeed.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: Hangshai on December 30, 2009, 06:32:41 AM
I've been going backwards, too...  It just seems like there is so much there to be enjoyed.  I have found a couple newer bands I like.  They are fairly mainstream, but I dig the Management and the Klaxons.  Those are about the only two new bands I dig.  If I hear another alt-anything album/group I am going to rip my hair out.  and LMNO, you saw my 10 record list, so, at least that should be an indication that Im not limiting myself to only commercial radio/music whatever.  I seriously havent heard any new bands that are innovative as anything from the 90s.  A lot of bands that SOUND LIKE stuff from then, but nothing that is as new and innovative.

This is a really hard conversation to have,  because of course my personal taste plays into it, and I know that, and what I consider new and innovative, you might consider bored and tired.  in a nutshell I think there is a perfect combination of rock and pop that can be achieved.  Punk bands are the best at accomplishing this (real punk), with short catchy as fuck anthemic songs.  There are 'reg' rock bands that can accomplish this (the mixing of pop sensibilities in their music).

I do know, from my experience working at a record store, that most people that listen to music put it on actually so they DONT have to listen to it.  So they can just tune out and not really pay attention to anything.  Its weird, but Ive seen people do it.  It just gives them white noise so they can go on autopilot.
Title: Re: Reply to Emo Thread
Post by: the last yatto on May 21, 2010, 11:26:19 AM
Jimmy Hendrix is my copilot