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Principia Discordia => Aneristic Illusions => Topic started by: Demolition Squid on November 25, 2014, 10:20:36 AM

Title: Rigging the System
Post by: Demolition Squid on November 25, 2014, 10:20:36 AM
For about six months I wound up working in the NHS. One of the many Commissioning Support Units, in fact. Whilst there, I was linked to this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CSp6HsQVtw) as an explanation to help me understand where I fell in the NHS structure.

I wasn't there long, but I saw enough. Its one thing to know in theory that bureaucracy is massively wasteful. Having glimpsed into The Machine, I was horrified by it. But what was even more horrifying to me was the attitude taken by these people. Most of them had worked in the NHS for decades, and all of them had been fired from roles doing the exact same thing in the structure that came before - then rehired with a 40% or higher pay increase when the government realized that they hadn't actually accounted for the work they were doing before. Everyone knew that the bill to the NHS had increased hugely, that the majority of their time was spent trying to navigate authority that nobody really understood, and that the actual, fundamental and important work was the least part of their time.

More hilarious was when important work simply couldn't be done because nobody had the resources to see it through. I can't name names, obviously, but when a doctor's surgery lost all their records due to a server fault and it was found the backup systems they had in place weren't working, everyone at the table laughed at my suggestion we ought to try and send someone out to make sure backups were being taken elsewhere. Maintenance was supposed to be the responsibility of the surgery; emergencies were ours. So we couldn't take steps to prevent emergencies, we could only try and pick up the pieces when they happened.

Not a single person at the CSU believes that the current setup will stay in place past the next election. Basic systems - like project methodology, sharing data, and authorizing payments - are not standardized, all of them are handled differently by different teams within the organization, and the effort to try and get one common way of working had seen three heads (with three different approaches) before I joined. After three months, a new head of service was announced and she brought in an external consultancy to deal with it. They had not made much headway.

At first I thought all of this was just down to incompetence. The fact is, though, that the NHS delivers some of the best value for money of any national health service in Europe. We pay a comparatively small percentage of GDP (9.8%) for one of the top services. There's a massive amount of waste, definitely, but mostly because people are scrabbling to play catchup and maintain continuity of projects which have run for years after the government came in and threw it all up in the air.

Why would they do that?

Well, this blog (http://socialinvestigations.blogspot.co.uk/p/key-facts-of-lords-and-mps-connections.html) gives a little insight.

225 parliamentarians have recent or present financial private healthcare connections
145 Lords have recent or present financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare
124 Peers benefit from the financial services sector
1 in 4 Conservative Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare
1 in 6 Labour Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare
1 in 6 Crossbench Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare
1 in 10 Liberal Democrat Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare
75 MPs have recent or present financial links to companies or individuals involved in private healthcare

Fairly soon, The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership will be coming to a head. This will probably open the NHS up to even more privatization - it is worth noting that the NHS already has to go through a rigorous open tender process - which is part of the reason the CSU exists in the first place. It is also worth noting that the people I spoke to about this were convinced that when the NHS just had it all in-house, it saved them a lot of money, because the process of ensuring that the tender for new medical treatment is fair and open to all private companies is itself a huge drain on resources.

But by throwing everything up in the air, slashing funding, and throwing in a whole raft of new areas where the NHS suddenly has to work with local government and community support agencies (where none of these organizations were used to working with anyone else before) the possible points of weakness multiply many times over. You are far more likely to get people losing patient information when it is suddenly being shared with many more people, only some of whom are used to dealing with sensitive information like that at all. You've muddied the waters of authority so much that decisions don't get made, so services have to work with older machines and resources because they can't get the approval needed to buy the new ones. In short, you rig the system so that over the next few years, as everyone struggles to find their footing, the architecture of the NHS begins to look very outdated and in need of modernisation.

Just in time for the private investment to swoop in and save the day.

It isn't about corruption, exactly. Nobody needs to be bribed or to have the explicit goal of forcing the NHS to fail - although I genuinely believe that many of those MPs with financial interests in private healthcare do have the explicit goal of seeing more of it sold off on ideological grounds. Instead, they just demand that it transforms itself into something totally new and - when it doesn't - they sell it off to people who say they can make it 'fit for purpose'.

If you really want the belly laugh, though, here's the kicker. I had lunch with a guy whose job is to make sure that there's acceptable coverage for all the major illnesses and injuries and so forth in the county. He explained that private hospitals LOVE the NHS, because it lets them have a safety net for their patients. They don't bother to provide all the equipment and training to their low-level staff that the NHS does - they can only handle things that go entirely according to routine. If something goes wrong, or it turns out you need care that the private company aren't set up to deal with... they just dump you on the NHS and leave you to it. Emergency surgery to patch up the mistakes or situations that arise from private surgeons who aren't equipped to deal with them are increasing across the board, and play hell with the schedules.

I can't wait to see that kind of cost-saving approach applied across the board.  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Cain on November 25, 2014, 10:37:59 AM
Yup.  The NHS has severe problems with spending in terms of overpaid bureaucrats and expensive, failed projects (not least due to the lack of transparency in how it spends its funds, plus nearly a decade of Gordon Brown purposefully hiding as much information as possible from the rest of the government on how the Treasury was allocating funds to the NHS), but Parliament and the government in particular have a vested interest in not fixing this fundamental problem, and instead using it as a cudgel to allow for private health reform.

I don't forsee a good end to this, but then as far as I'm concerned, I don't see pretty much anything to do with the economy having a good end as things stand.
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Faust on November 25, 2014, 12:29:39 PM
Quote from: Demolition Squid on November 25, 2014, 10:20:36 AM

I can't wait to see that kind of cost-saving approach applied across the board.  :horrormirth:

From what we're seeing of the education system they are marching to the same beat.
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Demolition Squid on November 25, 2014, 12:38:31 PM
They told the police to prepare for a 25% cut in funding too, which they said would fall largely on front line officers.

I'm expecting G4S to pick up the slack.

Its like the politicians have decided that the time is ripe to stick their face in the trough. I suppose, compared to institutionalized child rape, cash for you and your buddies doesn't really register.
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Cain on November 25, 2014, 12:54:12 PM
I suspect there's also an element of revenge in the police decision as well.  Deciding to bring down a Chief Whip in some sort of twisted political power play (Leveson related?) was not their brightest move.

Still, I can't say I enjoy the prospect of G4S having any more say over security issues.  While I don't think they're actually much worse than the UK police, in terms of conduct or accountability, they will likely end up costing three times as much.
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Junkenstein on November 25, 2014, 06:56:29 PM
£5 on G4S taking over "Community support officers" or somesuch other ineffective do-nothing bullshit.

Can then be used to leverage police powers to corporations after they are able to do fuck all for a few years.



More to come, the OP is magnificent.
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Demolition Squid on November 25, 2014, 07:08:39 PM
I'm not sure if it is still the case, but for a period, you had to be a community support officer before you could become a front line police officer.

If so, that'd be very valuable to G4S. Get their method and culture in the door at the ground, bring in consultants higher up to help guide the inevitable restructuring the cuts will need, and they are well on their way.

And thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Junkenstein on November 25, 2014, 07:58:51 PM
I think there's two things in that list that deserve a mention before I go on.
http://socialinvestigations.blogspot.co.uk/p/key-facts-of-lords-and-mps-connections.html
Firstly :
Quote124 Peers benefit from the financial services sector
Secondly:
QuoteAll were able to vote on the Health and Social Care bill (now Act), despite having a prejudicial interest, which would not have been allowed at local council level
Emphasis mine, and I say warranted.

The first relates to how the system operates. Financiers grease wheels and that is certainly a substantial percentage of people involved. The immediate direct implication is that these ideas in general have been and currently are being applied to the financial sector in some form. Setting rules enforcing a "Zero risk culture bank" in such a manner that one buckles and dies allowing for "Sweeping radical reforms to get the economy moving" wouldn't surprise anyone. Name a thing that various financial institutions, alone and in various cartels and collusions haven't fucked with. Try. Stop laughing, this is serious.

So the number is substantial and now we look at healthcare, to start. Dare we think that some of these financial chaps be involved with healthcare? I think we fucking dare. Because if they're not they are at best working colleagues and at worst old college chums. Friends, various relationships, old school buddies bribes, corruption and smiling faces in the right place at the right time clearly make all kinds of legislation occur for better and worse. Every so often the system is declared FUBAR and something more complex (Not the same as better) is shoved in to create new jobs, raise the economy and boost the average pay in a certain sector or use the budget right up in another. Policing budgets are cut yet there's a shiny new post of "police and crime commissioner". Etc. Etc. E.Fucking.tc.

This leads me to suggest that the process (or at the least a trial version of it) is already under way in many such ways. Consider how much involvement certain firms have now, and have had despite fucking up all the time. My go to whipping boy is Capita but G4S are easily as incompetent and likely involved in similar levels of corruption. Healthcare being incrementally chipped away at until the axe can fall seems inevitable. I suppose if you did it fast people might object and a paranoid man might think about Boris buying those water cannons.


The second quote relates to another part of the nature of the system - You cannot advance (Line your pockets above a certain level) unless you are willing to collude with others. The way that some "local council" rules, laws and regulations are used are almost entire petty, personal and (locally) political. The fact that similar standards are not applied at the levels where the highest levels of corruption are possible should be surprising, but hey, it's the UK. If you're in the club you're golden.


My third and more general point relates to what has previously referred to as "Waste". In the "Ooh there's so much waste to be cut". What we are really talking about here is corruption. With every increase in level of people to influence with spending money, tenders and managing budgets you inherently introduce the possibility of bribes and other possibilities for deal making, whatever that deal might be. The reality behind "Cost saving exercises" is that you're cleaning the table of all current deals and offering a new one. A smart man might do that when he's got a timetable in mind and the "perfect people" for the job well informed of what's to come out and what kind of way they might want to present themselves to it, if they happened to be so inclined.

"Waste" is a fancy term for "Bribe" unless you show me otherwise. Because let's be clear, there's plenty of ways to consider what a "bribe" really is. A cushy do-nothing job to brown envelopes with filthy lucre, it's a giant list of shit that flows around all industries in some form.



That all said, with various police cuts, I bet a few more MP's come to our attention for improper activities. Tit for tat and that.

Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Demolition Squid on November 27, 2014, 09:47:03 AM
Well.

I just found out that as of 2015, probation services throughout England and Wales will all be privatized. I haven't heard anything about this in the media, and I can't look for sources right now myself, but I'll throw something up when I get home.

Disturbing how quietly this is happening.
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Cain on November 27, 2014, 01:14:29 PM
Sadiq Khan (who is fairly sensible so long as you don't let him near anti-terrorism legislation) has spoken out about - and against - this.

But I think anyone expecting Labour to try and sort out this mess is living in a bubble.  I'll admit, Miliband has had a hard time with a press who are primed and ready to smear and character assassinate him given the smallest chance.

But by the same measure, Miliband has been a weak opposition leader.  The Brownite milieu he gained his political credentials in was mostly good at 1) Keeping information from the Cabinet 2) not upsetting Gordon Brown and 3) leaking shit to the press.   He hasn't got the media presence or the political skills to sustain a broad attack on the government - on any of the public services.  And this is one issue that Labour should be united on - Blair's reforms were a key aspect of his government legacy, and whatever one may think of the man, certainly better than what is coming down the line from the Tories.

But given Labour's general morph into "rich boys club for those who don't hate gays or Muslims", even that may have changed.
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Demolition Squid on November 27, 2014, 01:48:33 PM
Yeah. There have been a few times when Milliband has spoken up and not sounded totally useless... but he is terrified of saying anything which can be construed as anti-business. Or he's just genuinely incompetent at getting his message out. ... Or he has no message to get out at all. It is difficult to tell.

Either way, I don't have any faith that he'd fix this or any other problem. The best I can say about Labour is that they don't seem as actively evil as the Conservatives. That may just be because they don't get enough airtime to show their colours; their support of the RIPA legislation is enough to make me wary.

It is disappointing that there isn't even a single leader who comes across as competent right now. I don't even have to agree with what they say (although that would be nice). I just get the impression that all of them are completely out of their depth, none of them have any idea what to do in a 'Big Picture' sense. Mostly, they all seem to be peddling different brands of doom.

There's actually some vaguely interesting ideas on Labour's website, but I have no confidence they'd actually do them because their whole strategy seems to be 'repeat soundbites until the gormless public catch on'. They are just as disdainful of their voters as the Conservatives, just in a different way.

Its almost worth voting UKIP just out of spite. But there's a good chance they'll actually take my constituency and that would be horrifying.
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Cain on November 27, 2014, 01:58:26 PM
Yeah, in one sense I look forward to UKIP getting some power as, at long last, the spiteful portion of the British public will get the government they asked for.  But in every other sense, it will be horrifying, especially with what follows (since UKIP are destined to fail, while it's voting constituency will not die out).

In regards to Labour...I think at least half of the problems go back to the Blair years.  The Blairites were pretty scummy at times...but they were also media savvy, and fairly ruthless when dealing with the Tories.  All through Blair's leadership, the Tory Party rarely had him on the back foot, and quite often the situation was Blair had them running scared.

However, the Brownites and Blairites alienated each other through their scorched earth tactics around 2006-8, and in such a way that I don't see anyone from that wing of the party, with a longer history of successful government and media relations, sticking their head out for Miliband.  Labour's a divided house, and until they sort out their internal issues, either by Miliband getting some actually useful political advisors or by the party picking a leader who is acceptable to both wings, nothing will change.

Which is sad, because for a PR man Cameron is terrible in terms of public image.  I can think of half a dozen ways to make him look like a prat, and that's just in PMQs.

Miliband has had some success at jerry-rigging Parliament in terms of procedure and debate times, so it's not all doom and gloom.  Expect a few nasty surprises for the Tories in any future large votes - like, say, on Europe - because Miliband is a political nerd and if there is one thing nerds do well, it is game complex systems to become completely overpowered.  But it's hardly sufficient, as a strategy to bring down the coalition.
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Demolition Squid on December 02, 2014, 12:05:09 PM
There were some questions asked (and almost answered) about the probation selloff today. I followed as best I could but mostly got the impression that all decisions have been made and no serious criticisms were being pushed particularly hard. So pretty standard for parliamentary questions really.

What keeps striking me is that - although we are told we live in an age of superficial politics where style is all that matters ... most politicians are just bloody terrible at it. Take this quote for instance:

Quote from: Chris Grayling"I have to say that the trade union has on occasions put forward information in a way that has not given, I would have thought, sometimes context, and even the accuracy of the situation."

You can see what he meant, but it would be nice if people speaking on behalf of the government could actually speak coherently and in clear sentences. I don't feel like that is too high a bar.  :?
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Junkenstein on December 02, 2014, 06:15:15 PM
QuoteYou can see what he meant, but it would be nice if people speaking on behalf of the government could actually speak coherently and in clear sentences. I don't feel like that is too high a bar.  :?


I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING NOW.
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Demolition Squid on December 08, 2014, 06:13:28 AM
Interesting article (part of a series) in the Guardian this morning.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/08/taming-corporate-power-key-political-issue-alternative

QuoteMinisters and civil servants know that if they keep faith with corporations in office they will be assured of lucrative directorships in retirement. As head of HMRC, the UK government's tax-collection agency, Dave Hartnett oversaw some highly controversial deals with companies such as Vodafone and Goldman Sachs, apparently excusing them from much of the tax they seemed to owe. He now works for Deloitte, which advises companies such as Vodafone on their tax affairs. As head of HMRC he met one Deloitte partner 48 times.

QuoteThe key political question of our age, by which you can judge the intent of all political parties, is what to do about corporate power. This is the question, perennially neglected within both politics and the media, that this week's series of articles will attempt to address. I think there are some obvious first steps.

A sound political funding system would be based on membership fees. Each party would be able to charge the same fixed fee for annual membership (perhaps £30 or £50). It would receive matching funding from the state as a multiple of its membership receipts. No other sources of income would be permitted. As well as getting the dirty money out of politics, this would force political parties to reconnect with the people, to raise their membership. It will cost less than the money wasted on corporate welfare every day.

All lobbying should be transparent. Any meeting between those who are paid to influence opinion (this could include political commentators like me) and ministers, advisers or civil servants should be recorded, and the transcript made publicly available. The corporate lobby groups that pose as thinktanks should be obliged to reveal who funds them before appearing on the broadcast media; and if the identity of one of their funders is relevant to the issue they are discussing, it should be mentioned on air.

Any company supplying public services would be subject to freedom of information laws (with an exception for matters deemed commercially confidential by the information commissioner). Gagging contracts would be made illegal, in the private as well as the public sector (with the same exemption for commercial confidentiality). Ministers and top officials should be forbidden from taking jobs in the sectors they were charged with regulating.

Aaaand then he starts to veer wildly off into cloud cuckoo land, suggesting a world parliament, a global body to manipulate trade, the dissolution of corporate law...

... but you know, those first ideas seem pretty great to me. What he doesn't explain is how to go about enacting it given that it is against every current vested interest, and the major parties could ignore it with impunity. Getting the viewpoint 'shut down the gravy train' to be taken seriously seems about as challenging to me as 'wipe out all debt'.

But I could be wrong. If UKIP makes actual, serious gains that'll be evidence that an independent party with extremist ideas can get somewhere... and this seems like a good foundation for a hypothetical UKIP of the left.
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Cain on December 08, 2014, 08:14:02 AM
Ah yes, George Monbiot.

I don't see a left UKIP emerging in the UK, I'm not going to lie.  While something like Syriza would appeal to me, for sure, the UK has two key problems in that regard.  The left is dominated by Labour in the central direction, and the SWP in the radical direction.  Both are extremely jealous of opposition in their relative spheres, and of each other, and will stamp on it hard (the SWP has an additional problem of the rape kind...and covering it up).  Secondly, the political culture of the UK deems it permissible to "have a discussion" about the lunatic premises right wing loony parties want to discuss (immigration, the EU, crime, preferably some kind of bizarre mish-mash of all of the above) in political debate and the national press, but not about, well, anything else.

This is especially strange when you consider the polling data is such that people really actually don't care all too much about Europe (relative weighting of issues shows consistently that the NHS, education and employment are the key issues, and that Labour has a lead on all of them.  All the Tory and UKIP lead issues, by contrast, are not serious ones by the standards of the public).

Instead, I see UKIP getting into a coalition government, and failing because they are a clown car convention, whose members profess massive expertise in Islamic perfidy, security, warfare, Austrian economics and all the sciences despite mostly being morons.  The City also wont back their insane venture, despite Farage being in all other respects, one of their own.

So UKIP will fail, but then what?  No UKIP, no BNP...I see something even nastier coming to replace them both.
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Demolition Squid on December 08, 2014, 08:31:17 AM
I agree it seems very unlikely - all the mainstream parties would unite against any organised attempt to gut their funding and reform their backers because it is clearly in their best interests to do so.

I reckon that's the main reason the right wing extreme issues are deemed acceptable and the left's aren't. The right are generally pro-business, and anti-regulation. It is in the interests of the people who own the media to encourage right wing nutjobbery, but left wing nutjobbery might threaten their bottom line a lot more - so best to shut them out entirely. I hoped that fury towards the bankers and the MP's expenses scandal might force them to open up the debate ... but that hasn't happened. The mainstream press now, in fact, seems to give more publicity to the 'banker bashing is pointless' side than ever before.

The open threats to the BBC and the hit they've taken in credibility after Saville haven't helped in that regard.

But! Whilst UKIP would be a disaster (and hopefully a short-lived one), I would hope it opens the door to people taking the smaller parties more seriously. It might not - especially since UKIP is already being branded as 'conservative+' in the press - but it could reinvigorate the debate just by shaking things up. The SNP have already proven a 'one issue party' can achieve things in Scotland, but that hasn't translated to the rest of the country yet. UKIP could change that.

If people feel like they can potentially achieve something by going for a smaller group like the Greens or UKIP, it might be possible to pull together some sort of reform party with the express goal of throwing out corporate interests, and shoot for publicity through social media and grass roots campaigning. I can't stand Russel Brand, but it seems like the sort of thing he may have been laying the groundwork for already, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him try it himself in the next few years.
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Cain on December 08, 2014, 08:45:59 AM
The only party who are not entirely terrible who I would see benefitting from this, at the moment, is the SNP.

If the SNP are poised to take over almost totally from Labour in Scotland, which doesn't seem entirely out of the question, they'll have an awful lot of sway in Parliament.  And of course, the SNP and UKIP hate each others guts (UKIP is for British independence...Scottish independence is, apparently, not allowed).  This leads to something like the scenario outlined by Charlie Stross (http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2014/10/who-ordered-that-1.html):

QuoteWell, if the SNP pick up on the order of 50 MPs, they'll be the third largest party in Westminster (replacing the Liberal Democrats, who are in meltdown as voters desert them—the LibDem core are mostly centre-left, and the coalition with the Conservative party was pure poison for that base).

QuoteWith 50 seats, the SNP would be the turd in the punchbowl: it would literally be almost impossible to form a stable government without them (unless we look at the apocalyptic scenario of a Labour/Tory coalition, which in the past has only happened during a World War government of national unity). It would be hard to spin Alex Salmond smirking and demanding Devo Max as being tantamount to Hitler! so quite possibly some sort of deal would be done. As the SNP already firmly ruled out a pact with the Conservatives (it'd be a political suicide pill for their base in Scotland), that leaves two likely options:

    A full formal coalition with the Labour Party. (I think this is unlikely, although Labour might have learned a lesson from the consequences of Brown's refusal to compromise with Nick Clegg in 2010: Labour and the SNP are natural rivals for the governing party/centre-left niche in Scotland.) Terms would be: the SNP get Devo Max and some ministerial posts, and in return they vote in line with Labour policy on any items that the parties don't actually disagree on, and abstain from voting on purely English non-budgetary matters.

    An understanding (like the Lib-Lab Pact of 1977) whereby a minority Labour government operates with SNP support contingent on them not pissing in the SNP's wheaties. This might work, if Labour are willing to cut a deal over Scottish powers. Otherwise ...

I could be wrong.

The most unpredictable alternative would be a landslide in the direction of UKIP. I find it hard to imagine UKIP picking up more seats than the SNP, because while they may have more voters across the UK, the SNP's are concentrated in constituencies where they stand a chance of winning: but if UKIP were to pick up 50 or so MPs, roughly matching the SNP's showing, then we're into total terra incognita in British politics. I don't think we're going to get into "rainbow coalition" territory in just one election—Labour and the Conservatives—aren't going to completely crumble just six months from now—but the number of possible combinations that could form governments in Westminster just exploded. And so did the outcomes. UKIP appear, ironically, to be intensely hostile to Scottish nationalism and devolution in general (they're a vastly stronger party in England than in Scotland, where they are out-polled three to one by the Scottish Greens). So we have the prospect of two historically ideologically polarized major parties (neither of whom can form a government without external assistance), and two ideologically polarized minor parties (one or both of whom might enable one or other of the larger parties to govern, with a tail-wind and some independent help).

I have been stating something like this would happen since 2010's results came in.  Not with the SNP in particular in this case, though I did notice UKIP were getting some grooming and cash injections from the Powers That Be well before anyone was discussing their resurgence.  Basically, no governing party ever returns to power with the same or more votes than it did during it's first term.  I mean, that's a pretty basic law of political science, and while there are probably one or two exceptions, they don't exist within modern UK political history, at the very least.  So, it took a coalition government to rule the UK this term.  Next term, the Tory majority was going to decrease even more, and the Lib Dems were obviously going to fall apart.

If Labour could've pulled it together, it may have taken advantage.  But it didn't and hasn't.  So there was always going to be a problem with governmental instability going ahead.  The main parties have delegitimised themselves, while the minor parties are not poised to entirely take over from them.

I'm not the only one to note this, either.  Such esteemed publications as Foreign Affairs (the in-house magazine of the Council on Foreign Relations, the "unofficial think-tank of official American foreign policy") are now also predicting a more unstable political future in the UK.  If the Americans cannot trust us (the American government weighed in heavily against Scottish independence and so is likely more worried about the SNP scenario), and we succeed in pissing away all our influence in Europe...well, we will still have an UNSC seat, former empire and nuclear weapons.  But so does Russia.  And besides, our nuclear program requires American approval to be used.  Just like we currently require French assistance for air strikes anywhere outside of our air base range.

We're setting ourselves up to be a lame duck here.  Historically speaking, nations without allies do not fair well.
Title: Re: Rigging the System
Post by: Demolition Squid on December 08, 2014, 09:04:51 AM
Oof... that's a pretty bleak picture, and does seem very plausible.

I know the people I'm working with in local government feel that a slim conservative majority is the most likely outcome because they don't believe that UKIP will actually translate public opinion polling into votes. I'm not so sure. Highly unscientific, but I spoke with the people at the local pub over the weekend and they all said they'd go UKIP. Not because of Europe, especially (although obviously nobody who votes UKIP does it and is pro-europe), but the big issue was HS2. My area has a lot of retirees, and as some of them were saying - if they don't get the HS2 project scrapped by any means necessary, they are going to live in a building site for the rest of their lives. If UKIP targets their candidates more towards specific local issues like that, they could do very well indeed.

Labour screwed themselves over badly in Scotland with their mishandling of the independence referendum, badly. I'm sure it would have been possible to put the case across without seeming to embrace the Tories, but... they didn't.

I'm picturing some sort of nightmarish future where Farage somehow becomes the Putin of Britain.  :horrormirth: