Depression

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I guess I got the shrink who just chucks Haliperidol at the problem until it goes away.

I've been on Herpiderpidol since I met my wife.

[P3nT4gR4m]

That shit does really fucking bad things to me, none of which involve relaxing or calming down. One of the common side effects is muscle spasms. If you never had them (which is also common) then think yourself lucky. If you do get them they'll give you a procycledine chaser. I never worked out if it was the haliperidol or the procycledine or the combined effect but take a shot of really good tequilla and wash it down with 20-30 kilos of low grade speed and you'll have a rough idea just how tranquilised I felt. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

and then there's medication and the horrid state of american psychiatry....

Oh, hai!  Do you understand the history of psychiatry?  Because I don't.

I'm getting there, and it's very 

Basically, psychiatry has roots in the medical treatment of the mentally ill and retarded. Then you had a guy about 150 years ago suggest that you could study the human mind as a science, and things got reallllly fucking weird. Medical doctors wanted a piece of the pie so they invented a medical subspecialty that heavily utilizes psychological research and theory for treatment of psychiatric illnesses. With the advent of neuroscience shit really started getting heavy and psychology finally started to converge with laboratory science.

Shit's gonna get really real in the next decade or so, dawgs. Psychology to neuroscience is already starting to look like alchemy to modern chemistry... sure, they were on the right track, but BAM, NOW IT'S SCIENCE FOR REAL, BITCHES.

Here's what I was never clear on - Psychiatrists v's Psychologists. I only ever had a psychiatrist. The approach was - "whazzup dawg?" ... "Hmm, well I don't believe you - eat these pills or we'll lock you back up" ... "What's that? The pills are fucking you up completely? Okay, how 'bout you take twice as many and report back" - wash. rinse. repeat. escape...

OTO I've spoken to people who got a psychologist instead and I got the impression they had helped in some way. WTF? 

Psychiatrists are medical doctors, trained to approach mental health issues from a medical perspective. This is not always the most helpful perspective, especially since most medical doctors don't feel like they're doing their job unless they do something which affects your meat, like cutting you or giving you drugs.

Psychologists are researchers, trained to label, measure, and catalogue everything they can objectively observe about the workings of the human mind. Some of them become therapists, but most of them do research. Many of them work on developing theories on therapies for mental health issues that are oriented toward training the headmeat to fix itself, which they then test through experimentation. Lucky test subjects!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

That shit does really fucking bad things to me, none of which involve relaxing or calming down. One of the common side effects is muscle spasms. If you never had them (which is also common) then think yourself lucky. If you do get them they'll give you a procycledine chaser. I never worked out if it was the haliperidol or the procycledine or the combined effect but take a shot of really good tequilla and wash it down with 20-30 kilos of low grade speed and you'll have a rough idea just how tranquilised I felt. 

Please to read my post more carefully.   

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I guess I got the shrink who just chucks Haliperidol at the problem until it goes away.

I've been on Herpiderpidol since I met my wife.

HERPIDERPIDOL: REALLY WORKS.

[Dildo Argentino]

Some of them become therapists, but most of them do research.

With utmost respect and for the sake of accuracy, I think that should read:

"Most of them become therapists (counsellors, social workers, members of a helper profession or another), but some of them become researchers."

[P3nT4gR4m]

That shit does really fucking bad things to me, none of which involve relaxing or calming down. One of the common side effects is muscle spasms. If you never had them (which is also common) then think yourself lucky. If you do get them they'll give you a procycledine chaser. I never worked out if it was the haliperidol or the procycledine or the combined effect but take a shot of really good tequilla and wash it down with 20-30 kilos of low grade speed and you'll have a rough idea just how tranquilised I felt. 

Please to read my post more carefully.   

[LMNO]

HERPIDERPIDOL: DOES EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS ON THE LABEL.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Some of them become therapists, but most of them do research.

With utmost respect and for the sake of accuracy, I think that should read:

"Most of them become therapists (counsellors, social workers, members of a helper profession or another), but some of them become researchers."

That's not how it works here. Maybe that's how it works in Hungary, but here social work is its own degree program, and the most popular one for people who want to do counseling. You have to get an MSW and a certificate in counseling in order to be legally qualified. I don't know what you mean by "helper profession" outside of social work... most of those are covered by medical assistant and nursing programs. People often get a psych undergrad here on the way to some other graduate degree, but for the vast majority anyone here who gets a psych grad degree is going into research or teaching. Psych these days is heavily oriented toward the biological processes of brain function.

ETA: I worded that strangely... you don't HAVE to have an MSW to be a certified counselor, you can also get the certification with an MPsy, but most people who want to do counseling go with the MSW because the MPsy program is heavliy research-oriented.

[Forsooth]

HERPIDERPIDOL: DOES EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS ON THE LABEL.

more like HerpiderpiLOL

[Dildo Argentino]

Some of them become therapists, but most of them do research.

With utmost respect and for the sake of accuracy, I think that should read:

"Most of them become therapists (counsellors, social workers, members of a helper profession or another), but some of them become researchers."

That's not how it works here. Maybe that's how it works in Hungary, but here social work is its own degree program, and the most popular one for people who want to do counseling. You have to get an MSW and a certificate in counseling in order to be legally qualified. I don't know what you mean by "helper profession" outside of social work... most of those are covered by medical assistant and nursing programs. People often get a psych undergrad here on the way to some other graduate degree, but for the vast majority anyone here who gets a psych grad degree is going into research or teaching. Psych these days is heavily oriented toward the biological processes of brain function.

ETA: I worded that strangely... you don't HAVE to have an MSW to be a certified counselor, you can also get the certification with an MPsy, but most people who want to do counseling go with the MSW because the MPsy program is heavliy research-oriented.

I would be very surprised if that were the case. Psychology is a popular undergrad course just about everywhere because of the kind of media psychology gets (because people think, misguidedly, that they will improve significantly at fucking with other people's heads if they do this).

So just to be clear: you are telling me that in the Younited Staples of Americka, the majority of people who complete undergrad degree courses go on to become research psychologists or teaching academics? Sorry, I don't believe you. Can you substantiate?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Some of them become therapists, but most of them do research.

With utmost respect and for the sake of accuracy, I think that should read:

"Most of them become therapists (counsellors, social workers, members of a helper profession or another), but some of them become researchers."

That's not how it works here. Maybe that's how it works in Hungary, but here social work is its own degree program, and the most popular one for people who want to do counseling. You have to get an MSW and a certificate in counseling in order to be legally qualified. I don't know what you mean by "helper profession" outside of social work... most of those are covered by medical assistant and nursing programs. People often get a psych undergrad here on the way to some other graduate degree, but for the vast majority anyone here who gets a psych grad degree is going into research or teaching. Psych these days is heavily oriented toward the biological processes of brain function.

ETA: I worded that strangely... you don't HAVE to have an MSW to be a certified counselor, you can also get the certification with an MPsy, but most people who want to do counseling go with the MSW because the MPsy program is heavliy research-oriented.

I would be very surprised if that were the case. Psychology is a popular undergrad course just about everywhere because of the kind of media psychology gets (because people think, misguidedly, that they will improve significantly at fucking with other people's heads if they do this).

So just to be clear: you are telling me that in the Younited Staples of Americka, the majority of people who complete undergrad degree courses go on to become research psychologists or teaching academics? Sorry, I don't believe you. Can you substantiate?

No, most of the people who complete psychology undergrad degrees go on to work in retail, call centers, or to do entry-level office-betty work, just  like people who complete history, literature, or art undergrad degrees. I was talking about people who go on to get degrees you can do something with.

[Juana]

Some of them become therapists, but most of them do research.

With utmost respect and for the sake of accuracy, I think that should read:

"Most of them become therapists (counsellors, social workers, members of a helper profession or another), but some of them become researchers."

That's not how it works here. Maybe that's how it works in Hungary, but here social work is its own degree program, and the most popular one for people who want to do counseling. You have to get an MSW and a certificate in counseling in order to be legally qualified. I don't know what you mean by "helper profession" outside of social work... most of those are covered by medical assistant and nursing programs. People often get a psych undergrad here on the way to some other graduate degree, but for the vast majority anyone here who gets a psych grad degree is going into research or teaching. Psych these days is heavily oriented toward the biological processes of brain function.

ETA: I worded that strangely... you don't HAVE to have an MSW to be a certified counselor, you can also get the certification with an MPsy, but most people who want to do counseling go with the MSW because the MPsy program is heavliy research-oriented.

I would be very surprised if that were the case. Psychology is a popular undergrad course just about everywhere because of the kind of media psychology gets (because people think, misguidedly, that they will improve significantly at fucking with other people's heads if they do this).

So just to be clear: you are telling me that in the Younited Staples of Americka, the majority of people who complete undergrad degree courses go on to become research psychologists or teaching academics? Sorry, I don't believe you. Can you substantiate?

No, most of the people who complete psychology undergrad degrees go on to work in retail, call centers, or to do entry-level office-betty work, just  like people who complete history, literature, or art undergrad degrees. I was talking about people who go on to get degrees you can do something with.

I resemble that remark. Or will.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Some of them become therapists, but most of them do research.

With utmost respect and for the sake of accuracy, I think that should read:

"Most of them become therapists (counsellors, social workers, members of a helper profession or another), but some of them become researchers."

That's not how it works here. Maybe that's how it works in Hungary, but here social work is its own degree program, and the most popular one for people who want to do counseling. You have to get an MSW and a certificate in counseling in order to be legally qualified. I don't know what you mean by "helper profession" outside of social work... most of those are covered by medical assistant and nursing programs. People often get a psych undergrad here on the way to some other graduate degree, but for the vast majority anyone here who gets a psych grad degree is going into research or teaching. Psych these days is heavily oriented toward the biological processes of brain function.

ETA: I worded that strangely... you don't HAVE to have an MSW to be a certified counselor, you can also get the certification with an MPsy, but most people who want to do counseling go with the MSW because the MPsy program is heavliy research-oriented.

I would be very surprised if that were the case. Psychology is a popular undergrad course just about everywhere because of the kind of media psychology gets (because people think, misguidedly, that they will improve significantly at fucking with other people's heads if they do this).

So just to be clear: you are telling me that in the Younited Staples of Americka, the majority of people who complete undergrad degree courses go on to become research psychologists or teaching academics? Sorry, I don't believe you. Can you substantiate?

No, most of the people who complete psychology undergrad degrees go on to work in retail, call centers, or to do entry-level office-betty work, just  like people who complete history, literature, or art undergrad degrees. I was talking about people who go on to get degrees you can do something with.

I resemble that remark. Or will.

It is a dismal truth that a psych undergrad degree is in the top ten of most useless degrees you can possibly get. It's somewhere below sociology, I think. The only practical use that it has, other than personal enrichment or getting a 12-dollar-an-hour research assistant job working for a psychologist with a PhD, is as a stepping stone to grad school. As a psych undergrad, I shamelessly recognize this.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It's also one reason that I might switch my major to biology. At least biology research assistant pay is a little better. I'm just waiting to hear back from OHSU about what they're looking for most in a NS PhD candidate.