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Title: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 17, 2011, 06:33:50 PM
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-10-01/justice/texas.execution.probe_1_willingham-case-cameron-todd-willingham-execution?_s=PM:CRIME
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on August 17, 2011, 06:35:56 PM
I can't even pretend to be surprised.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
Fucking hell.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on August 18, 2011, 03:31:08 AM
Well, now, we can't have that sort of thing going public before an ELECTION, you see...
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Elder Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 03:36:19 AM
this was several years ago, luna.
you'd think it would have sunk this bozo then, but he's an unflushable...
i don't understand how he's gotten reelected twice.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on August 18, 2011, 03:42:42 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 03:36:19 AM
this was several years ago, luna.
you'd think it would have sunk this bozo then, but he's an unflushable...
i don't understand how he's gotten reelected twice.

One of those reelections was 2010, IIRC, and this was late 2009.

There's more stuff that surfaced around the time of that election here:

http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/10080/rick-perrys-top-ten-state-agency-scandals-his-decade-of-failure

And another here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/noelle-cigarroa-perese/governor-perry-caught-in_b_663923.html

Amazing that he got reelected, yes.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 18, 2011, 04:41:41 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 03:36:19 AM
this was several years ago, luna.
you'd think it would have sunk this bozo then, but he's an unflushable...
i don't understand how he's gotten reelected twice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Texas_redistricting
Stacked the deck.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 18, 2011, 04:45:26 AM
Ah gerrymandering...
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Lenin McCarthy on August 18, 2011, 02:18:11 PM
 :|

Will any of you disagree with me if I call this murder?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on August 18, 2011, 02:57:20 PM
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on August 18, 2011, 02:18:11 PM
:|

Will any of you disagree with me if I call this murder?

Nope.

I'll go one further and say it seems a prerequisite to be the Governor of Texas is unusually high levels of blood lust, and a willingness to send people to the chair for suspect reasons (let us not forget Bush Jr, who refused to grant clemency to a grandmother, who killed her husband in self-defence after decades of of physical abuse from him.  Or several other "killers" whose threat to society was severely lacking, or their conviction was a sham.  In fact, the only person Bush Jr ever granted clemency to was an unrepentant serial killer).
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Elder Iptuous on August 18, 2011, 03:03:54 PM
i like pointing out the findings of the Innocence Project of Texas whenever the topic comes up.
some of the instances seem to really make an impact on people.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on August 18, 2011, 11:58:41 PM
Perry's not very subtle threat to Bernanke is going too far even for Karl Rove, who said it was "not Presidential".

In fact, that more than anything makes me wonder if Perry can win the race.  You don't threaten the Fed and become politically powerful - quite the opposite, in fact.

If the Fed wasn't planning to pump billions into the economy in 2012, well, they certainly are now, if only to, as I'm sure they're whispering to each other "keep that nutter Perry as far as possible from the levers of power".
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Elder Iptuous on August 19, 2011, 12:12:30 AM
Ron Paul was quoted as saying that Perry's remarks made even him look like a moderate!
:lol:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 19, 2011, 04:23:07 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 18, 2011, 11:58:41 PM
Perry's not very subtle threat to Bernanke is going too far even for Karl Rove, who said it was "not Presidential".

In fact, that more than anything makes me wonder if Perry can win the race.  You don't threaten the Fed and become politically powerful - quite the opposite, in fact.

If the Fed wasn't planning to pump billions into the economy in 2012, well, they certainly are now, if only to, as I'm sure they're whispering to each other "keep that nutter Perry as far as possible from the levers of power".

That's good to know.

Quote from: Cain on August 18, 2011, 02:57:20 PM
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on August 18, 2011, 02:18:11 PM
:|

Will any of you disagree with me if I call this murder?

Nope.

I'll go one further and say it seems a prerequisite to be the Governor of Texas is unusually high levels of blood lust, and a willingness to send people to the chair for suspect reasons (let us not forget Bush Jr, who refused to grant clemency to a grandmother, who killed her husband in self-defence after decades of of physical abuse from him.  Or several other "killers" whose threat to society was severely lacking, or their conviction was a sham.  In fact, the only person Bush Jr ever granted clemency to was an unrepentant serial killer).

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jun/20/opinion/oe-ivins20
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 19, 2011, 04:40:40 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 19, 2011, 04:23:07 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 18, 2011, 11:58:41 PM
Perry's not very subtle threat to Bernanke is going too far even for Karl Rove, who said it was "not Presidential".

In fact, that more than anything makes me wonder if Perry can win the race.  You don't threaten the Fed and become politically powerful - quite the opposite, in fact.

If the Fed wasn't planning to pump billions into the economy in 2012, well, they certainly are now, if only to, as I'm sure they're whispering to each other "keep that nutter Perry as far as possible from the levers of power".

That's good to know.

Quote from: Cain on August 18, 2011, 02:57:20 PM
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on August 18, 2011, 02:18:11 PM
:|

Will any of you disagree with me if I call this murder?

Nope.

I'll go one further and say it seems a prerequisite to be the Governor of Texas is unusually high levels of blood lust, and a willingness to send people to the chair for suspect reasons (let us not forget Bush Jr, who refused to grant clemency to a grandmother, who killed her husband in self-defence after decades of of physical abuse from him.  Or several other "killers" whose threat to society was severely lacking, or their conviction was a sham.  In fact, the only person Bush Jr ever granted clemency to was an unrepentant serial killer).

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jun/20/opinion/oe-ivins20

This was a fantastic article in part because she had limited space and had to be incredibly concise.

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 19, 2011, 04:41:36 PM
Also, I really, really wish we could give Arizona and Texas back to Mexico. Maybe Southern California, too.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 19, 2011, 04:54:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 19, 2011, 04:41:36 PM
Also, I really, really wish we could give Arizona and Texas back to Mexico. Maybe Southern California, too.

Then who would make your crazy?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on August 19, 2011, 05:12:00 PM
Full page ad appearing in the Austin American-Statesman:

(http://i.imgur.com/xtsNK.jpg)
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 19, 2011, 05:39:14 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 19, 2011, 05:12:00 PM
Full page ad appearing in the Austin American-Statesman:

(http://i.imgur.com/xtsNK.jpg)

I love Austin.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Triple Zero on August 19, 2011, 05:43:33 PM
That's the Star Wars font. Why ..
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on August 19, 2011, 05:44:10 PM
Best ad ever!  :lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 19, 2011, 05:47:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 19, 2011, 04:54:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 19, 2011, 04:41:36 PM
Also, I really, really wish we could give Arizona and Texas back to Mexico. Maybe Southern California, too.

Then who would make your crazy?

C'mon, it would be worth it just to see Phoenix freak the fuck out.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on August 19, 2011, 05:48:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 19, 2011, 05:47:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 19, 2011, 04:54:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 19, 2011, 04:41:36 PM
Also, I really, really wish we could give Arizona and Texas back to Mexico. Maybe Southern California, too.

Then who would make your crazy?

C'mon, it would be worth it just to see Phoenix freak the fuck out.

The Cartels called and have denied your kind and generous offer based on financial merit. They feel it could cost too much in their customer base to be worthwhile.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 19, 2011, 05:55:48 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 19, 2011, 05:47:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 19, 2011, 04:54:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 19, 2011, 04:41:36 PM
Also, I really, really wish we could give Arizona and Texas back to Mexico. Maybe Southern California, too.

Then who would make your crazy?

C'mon, it would be worth it just to see Phoenix freak the fuck out.

Just move the state capitol down here.  The North end of the state would instantly depopulate due to rage-induced strokes.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 19, 2011, 06:05:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 19, 2011, 05:55:48 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 19, 2011, 05:47:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 19, 2011, 04:54:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 19, 2011, 04:41:36 PM
Also, I really, really wish we could give Arizona and Texas back to Mexico. Maybe Southern California, too.

Then who would make your crazy?

C'mon, it would be worth it just to see Phoenix freak the fuck out.

Just move the state capitol down here.  The North end of the state would instantly depopulate due to rage-induced strokes.

I fully support this measure.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 02:53:17 PM
Warren Ellis predicted another one.

Titles that Gov. Perry helps bring to Texas' shelves include Teens with Tits Vol. 1, Teen Power Vol. 4, and Teens Never Say No.

http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/1219/

Apparently, Mr. Christian Values bought stock in the Movie Gallery which was the largest distributor of porn in America.  

Not completely safe for work:

http://static1.firedoglake.com/35/files/2011/08/Screen-shot-2011-08-17-at-3.26.59-PM.png
http://static1.firedoglake.com/35/files/2011/08/Screen-shot-2011-08-17-at-3.58.16-PM.png

http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2011/08/17/rick-perry-porn-monger-for-president/

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on August 22, 2011, 03:08:45 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 19, 2011, 05:43:33 PM
That's the Star Wars font. Why ..

why was that the first thing I noticed too?  :lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on August 22, 2011, 04:53:21 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 19, 2011, 04:41:36 PM
Also, I really, really wish we could give Arizona and Texas back to Mexico. Maybe Southern California, too.

:crankey:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on August 22, 2011, 04:55:40 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 19, 2011, 05:12:00 PM
Full page ad appearing in the Austin American-Statesman:

(http://i.imgur.com/xtsNK.jpg)

:mittens:

Also, this guy needs to just go back to the Mars planet he came from.  Apparently, Obama's done being president because he doesn't love his country, if you believe Perry's blatherings...

Perry, Dude, YOU were the one threatening secession only a couple/few years ago.

Get a fucking grip.

You know it's bad when he makes BACHMANN look like the tame, coherent one in the bunch.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 22, 2011, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: Jenne on August 22, 2011, 04:55:40 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 19, 2011, 05:12:00 PM
Full page ad appearing in the Austin American-Statesman:

(http://i.imgur.com/xtsNK.jpg)

:mittens:

Also, this guy needs to just go back to the Mars planet he came from.  Apparently, Obama's done being president because he doesn't love his country, if you believe Perry's blatherings...

Perry, Dude, YOU were the one threatening secession only a couple/few years ago.

Get a fucking grip.

You know it's bad when he makes BACHMANN look like the tame, coherent one in the bunch.

I wonder if we should push the secessionist idea, make it a meme, call him anti-American.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on August 22, 2011, 05:12:07 PM
I can't wait for somebody to ask Perry if, as president, he would let TX secede.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:12:44 PM
Oh, to hell with it.  :crankey:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:16:42 PM
Sorry, all.  I don't know why I got upset.  I mean, I realize that I was a little excited that Perry, Mr Christian Values, partially owns a company that produces "Barely Legal" hardcore porn, and what could be done with this.

I hadn't noticed the star wars font, which is way more important.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 22, 2011, 05:19:27 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:16:42 PM
Sorry, all.  I don't know why I got upset.  I mean, I realize that I was a little excited that Perry, Mr Christian Values, partially owns a company that produces "Barely Legal" hardcore porn, and what could be done with this.

I hadn't noticed the star wars font, which is way more important.

I didn't notice.

I think it's awesome that he's such a hypocrite.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on August 22, 2011, 05:20:50 PM
It's sad to watch the GOP thinktankers and strategists tap dance on the Sunday morning talking bobblehead shows.  When they are asked why they aren't "satisfied" with the current round up of bozos that have thrown their clown shoes into the ring, all they can say is, "Well, we want the BEST POSSIBLE of CHOICES."  :lulz:

READ:  "Dangnabbit, even though these guys are all popularist yuks, they SUCK!"

And since the GOP base gets more Tea Party illiterate by the minute and unable to tell fact from YEEHAW!, they love the show put on by the Perrys and the Bachmanns.  They are at what I call "the Devil take the hindmost" point--where it's ANYONE BUT OBAMA! time. 

And that's some DANGEROUS fucking territory to be in if you give a shit about the GOP's image. 

...clearly that's only a token few of them, however.  :lol:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on August 22, 2011, 05:23:46 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:16:42 PM
Sorry, all.  I don't know why I got upset.  I mean, I realize that I was a little excited that Perry, Mr Christian Values, partially owns a company that produces "Barely Legal" hardcore porn, and what could be done with this.

I hadn't noticed the star wars font, which is way more important.

Not to mention that Barely Legal exploits our youth. Hey, do you suppose he is in cahoots with Bachmanns husband to get them all in rehab to pray away their porn?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:24:30 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 22, 2011, 05:19:27 PM

I didn't notice.

Don't worry, nobody else noticed, either.  It's political fucking DYNAMITE, and it's being ignored on all fronts.

But nobody will fucking touch it, hell, even people here scrolled past it, and the dominionist jackass will probably be Dubya part II in 2012.

But, fuck it, I spoke up, for what it's worth.  Being talked around based on secessionist issues and a star wars font is basically par for the fucking course these days.

I'm just going to stay out of politics from this point forward.  I have to watch my blood pressure at my age.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 22, 2011, 05:30:24 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:24:30 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 22, 2011, 05:19:27 PM

I didn't notice.

Don't worry, nobody else noticed, either.  It's political fucking DYNAMITE, and it's being ignored on all fronts.

But nobody will fucking touch it, hell, even people here scrolled past it, and the dominionist jackass will probably be Dubya part II in 2012.

But, fuck it, I spoke up, for what it's worth.  Being talked around based on secessionist issues and a star wars font is basically par for the fucking course these days.

I'm just going to stay out of politics from this point forward.  I have to watch my blood pressure at my age.

No, what I meant was that I didn't notice the font. I noticed the ad, and I thought it was the shit.

I just figured why not do as much as possible to show him as a hypocritical loon. He's a porno-monger and a secessionist. Why not use both?

I've been getting pretty worked up over the GOP lately and I just can't fucking understand why these candidates exist. I mean, I know how we got to this point, it's just, I dunno, mindboggling at times.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 22, 2011, 05:33:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 02:53:17 PM
Warren Ellis predicted another one.

Titles that Gov. Perry helps bring to Texas' shelves include Teens with Tits Vol. 1, Teen Power Vol. 4, and Teens Never Say No.

http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/1219/

Apparently, Mr. Christian Values bought stock in the Movie Gallery which was the largest distributor of porn in America.  

Not completely safe for work:

http://static1.firedoglake.com/35/files/2011/08/Screen-shot-2011-08-17-at-3.26.59-PM.png
http://static1.firedoglake.com/35/files/2011/08/Screen-shot-2011-08-17-at-3.58.16-PM.png

http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2011/08/17/rick-perry-porn-monger-for-president/



HAR HAR  :lulz:

Emailed and facebooked.  :D
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on August 22, 2011, 05:34:03 PM
Via his campaign's website, Governor Perry criticizes his opponent—Carole Strayhorn—claiming she, "is sadly not above exploiting child tragedies ... What a despicable thing to do." FN1.  Despicable indeed.  Yet, as a private citizen, Perry has profited from his investments in Movie Gallery, Inc—America's largest pornography distributor—a company that profits from exploitation and violence against women. FN2.

When running for Lieutenant Governor, Rick Perry combined his publicly traded stocks into a blind trust—Perry Blind Trust, Inc. FN3.  Thus, Perry's subsequent Personal Financial Statements reveal little about his stock holdings.  FN4.  However, Perry's 1995 Personal Financial Statement—the final revealing record of Perry's assets—shows that he invested in thirty-two stocks, including Movie Gallery, Inc.  FN5.  While the precise amount of the investment is not revealed, Perry listed the stock in category "B"—meaning that the stock was worth between five and ten thousand dollars.  FN6. Most of Perry's stock fell into the class "B" category.  FN7

Based in Dothan, Alabama, Movie Gallery boasts being the second largest North American home-entertainment specialty retailer after Blockbuster; Movie Gallery has more than 4700 stores located in all fifty states, Mexico, and Canada.  FN8.  Movie Gallery is also both the largest distributor of pornography in America and the only major retail chain to sell pornography in its flagship stores.  FN9.

http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/1219/

Some are noticing Dok. Some are.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 22, 2011, 05:34:56 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:24:30 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 22, 2011, 05:19:27 PM

I didn't notice.

Don't worry, nobody else noticed, either.  It's political fucking DYNAMITE, and it's being ignored on all fronts.

But nobody will fucking touch it, hell, even people here scrolled past it, and the dominionist jackass will probably be Dubya part II in 2012.

But, fuck it, I spoke up, for what it's worth.  Being talked around based on secessionist issues and a star wars font is basically par for the fucking course these days.

I'm just going to stay out of politics from this point forward.  I have to watch my blood pressure at my age.

I didn't.

I got up and DANCED.  :D

Also note the "Bareback Bisexuals" from Mr. No Gay Rights.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 22, 2011, 05:30:24 PM

No, what I meant was that I didn't notice the font. I noticed the ad, and I thought it was the shit.

That's what everyone else noticed, too.

When I realized the media wasn't going to carry the porn story, I knew - right down in my gonads - who the next president will be.  Because people get a good laugh at a poster like that, and then stop caring.  My money says that Perry's people were actually behind that poster, to preempt any accusations as people making shit up based on the poster.  And Perry's fans, and the country in general, either support or don't care about Perry's secessionist rambling.

So we'll wind up with a  dominionist president.  Whee!

Which is no more than this country full of fucking morons deserves.  
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:36:10 PM
Quote from: Pancho on August 22, 2011, 05:34:03 PM
Some are noticing Dok. Some are.

Yeah.  Show me one (1) major media outlet covering this.  It ain't exactly breaking news.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Elder Iptuous on August 22, 2011, 05:36:55 PM
If the Movie Gallery stock ownership were pushed, i think a lot of people might see that and think, "well, hell. I rented movies from Hollywood Video all the time when they were around and i don't think I am hypocritical just because i didn't know that the company that owned it also distributed pornography..."
So, it may come across as grabbing at straws to some?

Do you know whether, since the 2006 date of this article, anyone has shown that Perry was aware of the conflict between his stock ownership and his supposed values?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on August 22, 2011, 05:38:32 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 22, 2011, 05:36:55 PM
If the Movie Gallery stock ownership were pushed, i think a lot of people might see that and think, "well, hell. I rented movies from Hollywood Video all the time when they were around and i don't think I am hypocritical just because i didn't know that the company that owned it also distributed pornography..."
So, it may come across as grabbing at straws to some?

Do you know whether, since the 2006 date of this article, anyone has shown that Perry was aware of the conflict between his stock ownership and his supposed values?

Are you serious? Suggesting that he doesn't know where his investments are? people like can quote you chapter and verse from memory where every cent is.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:38:57 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 22, 2011, 05:36:55 PM
If the Movie Gallery stock ownership were pushed, i think a lot of people might see that and think, "well, hell. I rented movies from Hollywood Video all the time when they were around and i don't think I am hypocritical just because i didn't know that the company that owned it also distributed pornography..."
So, it may come across as grabbing at straws to some?

Do you know whether, since the 2006 date of this article, anyone has shown that Perry was aware of the conflict between his stock ownership and his supposed values?

Righteo.  Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on August 22, 2011, 05:42:17 PM
I begin to see why you are angry Dok.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on August 22, 2011, 05:42:53 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 22, 2011, 05:30:24 PM

No, what I meant was that I didn't notice the font. I noticed the ad, and I thought it was the shit.

That's what everyone else noticed, too.

When I realized the media wasn't going to carry the porn story, I knew - right down in my gonads - who the next president will be.  Because people get a good laugh at a poster like that, and then stop caring.  My money says that Perry's people were actually behind that poster, to preempt any accusations as people making shit up based on the poster.  And Perry's fans, and the country in general, either support or don't care about Perry's secessionist rambling.

So we'll wind up with a  dominionist president.  Whee!

Which is no more than this country full of fucking morons deserves.  

It was a Ron Paul supporter, apparently.

The usual suspects have already declared that whoever was behind the poster were "ultraradical leftists" and, when corrected, then went on to declare Ron Paul an "ultraradical leftist" because he was against the War in Iraq or some such shit.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:44:04 PM
Quote from: Pancho on August 22, 2011, 05:42:17 PM
I begin to see why you are angry Dok.

No, not angry.  Frustrated, though I really should know better.

In any case, America will probably elect another crazy fucking Texan.  And why not?  It's the government America deserves.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Elder Iptuous on August 22, 2011, 05:45:34 PM
Well, has anything else been discovered about this in the past five years?
if it was just something in his stock portfolio, and he wasn't aware of the conflict then it would be weak.
however, if someone uncovered that the AFA had contacted him about it, and he didn't sell his stocks.....
well, that would be awesome!
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:45:38 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 22, 2011, 05:42:53 PM
It was a Ron Paul supporter, apparently.

I've heard that.  I don't believe it.

Quote from: Cain on August 22, 2011, 05:42:53 PM
The usual suspects have already declared that whoever was behind the poster were "ultraradical leftists" and, when corrected, then went on to declare Ron Paul an "ultraradical leftist" because he was against the War in Iraq or some such shit.

Even if Paul's people did it, Perry couldn't have gotten better ammunition than if he wrote it himself.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on August 22, 2011, 05:46:17 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:44:04 PM
Quote from: Pancho on August 22, 2011, 05:42:17 PM
I begin to see why you are angry Dok.

No, not angry.  Frustrated, though I really should know better.

In any case, America will probably elect another crazy fucking Texan.  And why not?  It's the government America deserves.

Move over Nyx, another inbound American escaping before the Mexicans start guarding the border to keep us out.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:47:30 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 22, 2011, 05:45:34 PM
Well, has anything else been discovered about this in the past five years?
if it was just something in his stock portfolio, and he wasn't aware of the conflict then it would be weak.

That's what vetting is for.  Either he doesn't care, or he's too incompetent to look (which, largely, is why McCain wound up with Sarah Crazypance).

In any case, he gets it hung around his neck.

But that won't happen, because the media has already decided who the next president will be...And America will, of course, do what it is told.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:48:13 PM
Quote from: Pancho on August 22, 2011, 05:46:17 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:44:04 PM
Quote from: Pancho on August 22, 2011, 05:42:17 PM
I begin to see why you are angry Dok.

No, not angry.  Frustrated, though I really should know better.

In any case, America will probably elect another crazy fucking Texan.  And why not?  It's the government America deserves.

Move over Nyx, another inbound America escaping before the Mexicans start guarding the border to keep us out.

You can go.  I'm going to hang around and watch the yahoos get what they've been screaming for.  Also, to hear the left whine.

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 22, 2011, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:47:30 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 22, 2011, 05:45:34 PM
Well, has anything else been discovered about this in the past five years?
if it was just something in his stock portfolio, and he wasn't aware of the conflict then it would be weak.

That's what vetting is for.  Either he doesn't care, or he's too incompetent to look (which, largely, is why McCain wound up with Sarah Crazypance).

In any case, he gets it hung around his neck.

But that won't happen, because the media has already decided who the next president will be...And America will, of course, do what it is told.

:x x infinity
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Elder Iptuous on August 22, 2011, 05:53:59 PM
You really think he's electable?
i hope to hell you're wrong.  I just figure that Bush is still a bad taste in the country's mouth and Perry would just be seen as another Bush...
i remember how many times the 'annointed one' for the republican nomination changed during the last campaign, too.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 05:55:56 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 22, 2011, 05:53:59 PM
You really think he's electable?

Last week, I didn't think he had a chance.

Now, I KNOW he's electable.  You can tell who the media is siding with by what they DON'T say.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 22, 2011, 05:58:54 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 22, 2011, 05:53:59 PM
You really think he's electable?
i hope to hell you're wrong.  I just figure that Bush is still a bad taste in the country's mouth and Perry would just be seen as another Bush...
i remember how many times the 'annointed one' for the republican nomination changed during the last campaign, too.

Nixon was a bad taste in the country's mouth, he resigned and Ford filled in for a little while, Carter got elected because people were fed up witht the GOP. He served one term, and then we got REAGAN.

This country has the attention span of a gnat.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: President Television on August 22, 2011, 06:02:54 PM
So I just skimmed over Rick Perry's Wikipedia article, wondering what all the fuss was about.

Holy shit. He's the worst presidential candidate possible. He's like some kind of caricature of the hypocritical religious right.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 22, 2011, 06:03:42 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 22, 2011, 05:58:54 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 22, 2011, 05:53:59 PM
You really think he's electable?
i hope to hell you're wrong.  I just figure that Bush is still a bad taste in the country's mouth and Perry would just be seen as another Bush...
i remember how many times the 'annointed one' for the republican nomination changed during the last campaign, too.

Nixon was a bad taste in the country's mouth, he resigned and Ford filled in for a little while, Carter got elected because people were fed up witht the GOP. He served one term, and then we got REAGAN.

This country has the attention span of a gnat.

The worst part is that I would almost prefer Reagan compared to any of these people. Hell, I would be ok with Romney as president in comparison to the other GOP candidates, but we know that's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 06:04:43 PM
Quote from: Uncle Wallified on August 22, 2011, 06:02:54 PM
So I just skimmed over Rick Perry's Wikipedia article, wondering what all the fuss was about.

Holy shit. He's the worst presidential candidate possible. He's like some kind of caricature of the hypocritical religious right.

And he's fucking next, because the public will receive a very filtered look at him.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 22, 2011, 06:16:52 PM
Google bomb it?

How does one google bomb anyway?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 22, 2011, 06:18:39 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 22, 2011, 06:16:52 PM
Google bomb it?

How does one google bomb anyway?

YES. THIS.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 22, 2011, 06:50:30 PM
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.102366283201620.2516.102356113202637&saved#!/pages/Rick-Perry-is-a-Porn-Monger/102356113202637?sk=wall

If anybody wants admin status, just let me know.
I'm too lazy to bump everybody to admin one by one.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on August 22, 2011, 07:04:07 PM
I think you need to frame the objection in terms of his hypocrisy, not his support for porn.

A lot of internet users won't get behind a movement which appears to shame somebody for liking porn.


If the target audience for the meme is the porn-hating right wing, you need to phrase it like it would come out of the mouths of one of his former supporters. More subtle. "RICK PERRY IS A PORN MONGER" sounds like a left wing polemic and will be quickly dismissed.

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 22, 2011, 07:07:32 PM
Should we change the group to Rick Perry is a moral hypocrite or something like that?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 07:08:17 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on August 22, 2011, 07:04:07 PM
I think you need to frame the objection in terms of his hypocrisy, not his support for porn.

A lot of internet users won't get behind a movement which appears to shame somebody for liking porn.

His base is the religious right.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 07:08:50 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on August 22, 2011, 07:04:07 PM
I think you need to frame the objection in terms of his hypocrisy, not his support for porn.

A lot of internet users won't get behind a movement which appears to shame somebody for liking porn.


If the target audience for the meme is the porn-hating right wing, you need to phrase it like it would come out of the mouths of one of his former supporters. More subtle. "RICK PERRY IS A PORN MONGER" sounds like a left wing polemic and will be quickly dismissed.



Ever been to Texas or Oklahoma, Cram?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on August 22, 2011, 07:10:29 PM
it sounds like the intent is to generate a scandal

perhaps something like

"The war between Rick Perry's mouth and checkbook"

mmm, a bit too wordy

"Rick Perry's embarrassing investments"

"The stocks Perry doesn't want you to know about"

"Surprising facts about Perry's investment portfolio"

"I liked Rick Perry until I learned..."

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 22, 2011, 07:17:55 PM
The last one would be great for a false flag.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 22, 2011, 07:24:55 PM
Agreed.  :p
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on August 22, 2011, 07:52:34 PM
Imagine, Rick Perry and your daughter...
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 07:55:28 PM
Quote from: Pancho on August 22, 2011, 07:52:34 PM
Imagine, Rick Perry and your daughter...

Naw.  Use one of the bisexual covers...

Imagine, Rick Perry paying for your daughter to sleep with these guys.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 22, 2011, 07:57:30 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 07:55:28 PM
Quote from: Pancho on August 22, 2011, 07:52:34 PM
Imagine, Rick Perry and your daughter...

Naw.  Use one of the bisexual covers...

Imagine, Rick Perry paying for your daughter to sleep with these guys.

Ooh.

And by that I mean, that's a good one.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on August 22, 2011, 07:58:41 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 22, 2011, 07:57:30 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 07:55:28 PM
Quote from: Pancho on August 22, 2011, 07:52:34 PM
Imagine, Rick Perry and your daughter...

Naw.  Use one of the bisexual covers...

Imagine, Rick Perry paying for your daughter to sleep with these guys.

Ooh.

And by that I mean, that's a good one.

It is better, drives right to the heart of it.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on August 22, 2011, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 07:55:28 PM
Quote from: Pancho on August 22, 2011, 07:52:34 PM
Imagine, Rick Perry and your daughter...

Naw.  Use one of the bisexual covers...

Imagine, Rick Perry paying for your daughter to sleep with these guys.

:x

jesus....  :cry:


Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 22, 2011, 11:10:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 07:55:28 PM
Quote from: Pancho on August 22, 2011, 07:52:34 PM
Imagine, Rick Perry and your daughter...

Naw.  Use one of the bisexual covers...

Imagine, Rick Perry paying for your daughter to sleep with these guys.

LETHAL. This could help after all.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 11:17:14 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/08/22/300479/rick-perry-disavows-fed-up/
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 22, 2011, 11:20:49 PM
Priceless.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 11:23:14 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 22, 2011, 11:20:49 PM
Priceless.  :mrgreen:

More on the pron thing:

QuoteThe revelation is particularly embarrassing for the Republican candidate as the company was boycotted by the American Family Association, which hosted Mr Perry's high-profile prayer rally in Houston a week before he kicked off his campaign.

In potentially even more damaging allegations, Mr Perry is accused of signing into law bills that could have benefitted the pornography distributor.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2028353/Rick-Perry-comes-investment-Americas-largest-pornography-distributor.html#ixzz1VnbYiLiZ


(Yes, there are better sources, that was just the first hit.)
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 11:33:12 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/state-politics/20101003-perry_s-tech-fund-aided-firms-with-ties-to-his-donors.ece

:lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Don Coyote on August 23, 2011, 01:48:02 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 22, 2011, 07:55:28 PM
Quote from: Pancho on August 22, 2011, 07:52:34 PM
Imagine, Rick Perry and your daughter...

Naw.  Use one of the bisexual covers...

Imagine, Rick Perry paying for your daughter to sleep with these guys.

Without protection.

It did say, "bareback bisexuals" yes?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Freeky on August 23, 2011, 04:15:28 AM
p://www.facebook.com/GovernorPerry?sk=wall

GET IN HERE.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Don Coyote on August 23, 2011, 04:18:07 AM
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on August 23, 2011, 04:15:28 AM
hgtp://www.facebook.com/GovernorPerry?sk=wall

GET IN HERE.

break link maybe?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 23, 2011, 08:51:05 AM
It's almost 3:00 am here in Texas, and anything I post there stays up about three minutes.  :argh!:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: deadfong on August 23, 2011, 01:53:59 PM
I don't know how much good playing up the hypocrisy angle is going to do.  This is the religious right we're talking about.  They have no shame, and seemingly cannot be shamed.  The only way the porn angle would have any traction against him at all within the religious base is if he himself starred in Barebacking Bisexuals.

A better bet, I think, is dredging up all the corrupt backroom financial deals, and to point out that Perry really wants to end Social Security.  Even when his campaign tries to disavow his book, Perry himself keeps referencing it in stump speeches.  Get that in front of GOP voters in the primaries and he won't make it through.

(Though I fear even all of this won't be enough.  There were too many people who seemed to like George W., and Perry projects the same personality.)
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 23, 2011, 02:01:11 PM
Quote from: deadfong on August 23, 2011, 01:53:59 PM
I don't know how much good playing up the hypocrisy angle is going to do.  This is the religious right we're talking about.  They have no shame, and seemingly cannot be shamed.  The only way the porn angle would have any traction against him at all within the religious base is if he himself starred in Barebacking Bisexuals.

A better bet, I think, is dredging up all the corrupt backroom financial deals, and to point out that Perry really wants to end Social Security.  Even when his campaign tries to disavow his book, Perry himself keeps referencing it in stump speeches.  Get that in front of GOP voters in the primaries and he won't make it through.

(Though I fear even all of this won't be enough.  There were too many people who seemed to like George W., and Perry projects the same personality.)

I get the same feeling in my testicles about Perry that I had when George W Bush announced he was looking into running, back in 1999.  It makes no fucking sense, but I can smell the Doom & failure coming.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on August 23, 2011, 02:04:01 PM
I occasionally wonder if the whole purpose behind throwing Palin and Bachmann in our faces is to make the REAL candidate (Perry or someone else) look sane and reasonable...
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 23, 2011, 03:25:19 PM
Oh quite probably. Palin can no longer be considered a serious contender and bachmann is basically a palin clone.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on August 23, 2011, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 23, 2011, 03:25:19 PM
Oh quite probably. Palin can no longer be considered a serious contender and bachmann is basically a palin clone.

Hell, remove the veneer and they are all exactly the same.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on August 23, 2011, 09:29:09 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 22, 2011, 06:03:42 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 22, 2011, 05:58:54 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 22, 2011, 05:53:59 PM
You really think he's electable?
i hope to hell you're wrong.  I just figure that Bush is still a bad taste in the country's mouth and Perry would just be seen as another Bush...
i remember how many times the 'annointed one' for the republican nomination changed during the last campaign, too.

Nixon was a bad taste in the country's mouth, he resigned and Ford filled in for a little while, Carter got elected because people were fed up witht the GOP. He served one term, and then we got REAGAN.

This country has the attention span of a gnat.

The worst part is that I would almost prefer Reagan compared to any of these people. Hell, I would be ok with Romney as president in comparison to the other GOP candidates, but we know that's not going to happen.

As to bolded:  NO.  After I saw his own son's documentary on him...hell to the naw.

That fucker BEGAT all these rightwingnuts.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Phox on August 23, 2011, 11:51:58 PM
Quote from: Jenne on August 23, 2011, 09:29:09 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 22, 2011, 06:03:42 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 22, 2011, 05:58:54 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 22, 2011, 05:53:59 PM
You really think he's electable?
i hope to hell you're wrong.  I just figure that Bush is still a bad taste in the country's mouth and Perry would just be seen as another Bush...
i remember how many times the 'annointed one' for the republican nomination changed during the last campaign, too.

Nixon was a bad taste in the country's mouth, he resigned and Ford filled in for a little while, Carter got elected because people were fed up witht the GOP. He served one term, and then we got REAGAN.

This country has the attention span of a gnat.

The worst part is that I would almost prefer Reagan compared to any of these people. Hell, I would be ok with Romney as president in comparison to the other GOP candidates, but we know that's not going to happen.

As to bolded:  NO.  After I saw his own son's documentary on him...hell to the naw.

That fucker BEGAT all these rightwingnuts.
Meh. If we're going to run the country based on superstition ad poppycock, why not astrology and midnight seances? And besides, Zombie Reagan can't be all bad.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on August 24, 2011, 12:24:01 AM
If only that was all that was wrong with his administration, though, Phox...
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Phox on August 24, 2011, 12:29:08 AM
Quote from: Jenne on August 24, 2011, 12:24:01 AM
If only that was all that was wrong with his administration, though, Phox...
Oh, of course not. But if it's a choice between Reagan and Perry, say, why not go for the supercrazy?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on August 24, 2011, 12:32:44 AM
 :x   :cry:   :argh!:   :horrormirth:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Phox on August 24, 2011, 12:38:13 AM
On the other hand, there is indisputable evidence that stars exist and people die.

Using a book based on poorly written pseudo-historical fiction as a basis for law making seems just as crazy.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 24, 2011, 12:54:22 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on August 24, 2011, 12:38:13 AM
On the other hand, there is indisputable evidence that stars exist and people die.

Using a book based on poorly written pseudo-historical fiction as a basis for law making seems just as crazy.

When God translates in from Dimension 12 and appoints me governor of the universe, you'll be sorry you said that.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Phox on August 24, 2011, 01:24:26 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 24, 2011, 12:54:22 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on August 24, 2011, 12:38:13 AM
On the other hand, there is indisputable evidence that stars exist and people die.

Using a book based on poorly written pseudo-historical fiction as a basis for law making seems just as crazy.

When God translates in from Dimension 12 and appoints me governor of the universe, you'll be sorry you said that.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 24, 2011, 01:40:24 AM
Quote from: Jenne on August 23, 2011, 09:29:09 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 22, 2011, 06:03:42 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 22, 2011, 05:58:54 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 22, 2011, 05:53:59 PM
You really think he's electable?
i hope to hell you're wrong.  I just figure that Bush is still a bad taste in the country's mouth and Perry would just be seen as another Bush...
i remember how many times the 'annointed one' for the republican nomination changed during the last campaign, too.

Nixon was a bad taste in the country's mouth, he resigned and Ford filled in for a little while, Carter got elected because people were fed up witht the GOP. He served one term, and then we got REAGAN.

This country has the attention span of a gnat.

The worst part is that I would almost prefer Reagan compared to any of these people. Hell, I would be ok with Romney as president in comparison to the other GOP candidates, but we know that's not going to happen.

As to bolded:  NO.  After I saw his own son's documentary on him...hell to the naw.

That fucker BEGAT all these rightwingnuts.

Somehow I knew they were a rusty load from a shriveled dry-as-dust old nutsack.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on August 25, 2011, 01:07:44 AM
Rick Perry signed a pro-life pledge today...

http://news.yahoo.com/rick-perry-signs-pro-life-pledge-153822725.html;_ylt=ArHPDgSaNj1ZdgZBaqRfxAus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNlZjNrM25wBHBrZwM0MWFmNTA5YS04NmMwLTM5YzEtYTkxNS1lOGIyNWUzZTVhM2UEcG9zAzEzBHNlYwNsbl9MYXRlc3ROZXdzX2dhbAR2ZXIDMTk3YzNhNDAtY2U2Ny0xMWUwLTgzZmQtZjFkYTZhYmI0Y2Iz;_ylv=3


Quote
FIRST, to nominate to the U.S. federal bench judges who are committed to restraint and applying the original meaning of the Constitution, not legislating from the bench;

SECOND, to select only pro-life appointees for relevant Cabinet and Executive Branch positions, in particular the head of National Institutes of Health, the Department of Justice, and the Department of Health & Human Services;

THIRD, to advance pro-life legislation to permanently end all taxpayer funding of abortion in all domestic and international spending programs, and defund Planned Parenthood and all other contractors and recipients of federal funds with affiliates that perform or fund abortions;

FOURTH, advance and sign into law a Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act to protect unborn children who are capable of feeling pain from abortion.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2011, 01:11:45 AM
Any candidate that signs a pledge of any kind should be pelted with rotten fruit at any given appearance.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on August 25, 2011, 01:21:26 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2011, 01:11:45 AM
Any candidate that signs a pledge of any kind should be pelted with rotten fruit at any given appearance.

Bachmann and Santorum signed the same pledge.

Pelt away.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 25, 2011, 09:30:33 AM
See kids? YOU CAN LEAD THE WORLD IN LETHAL INJECTIONS AND STILL BE PRO-LIFE!

Anybody got a HazMat suit I can borrow? Santorum splats.

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Triple Zero on August 25, 2011, 11:04:15 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on August 24, 2011, 12:29:08 AM
Quote from: Jenne on August 24, 2011, 12:24:01 AM
If only that was all that was wrong with his administration, though, Phox...
Oh, of course not. But if it's a choice between Reagan and Perry, say, why not go for the supercrazy?

we need that japanese guy!

I thought we had him as an emote but cannot find right now
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Juana on August 25, 2011, 06:41:33 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 23, 2011, 02:01:11 PM
Quote from: deadfong on August 23, 2011, 01:53:59 PM
I don't know how much good playing up the hypocrisy angle is going to do.  This is the religious right we're talking about.  They have no shame, and seemingly cannot be shamed.  The only way the porn angle would have any traction against him at all within the religious base is if he himself starred in Barebacking Bisexuals.

A better bet, I think, is dredging up all the corrupt backroom financial deals, and to point out that Perry really wants to end Social Security.  Even when his campaign tries to disavow his book, Perry himself keeps referencing it in stump speeches.  Get that in front of GOP voters in the primaries and he won't make it through.

(Though I fear even all of this won't be enough.  There were too many people who seemed to like George W., and Perry projects the same personality.)

I get the same feeling in my testicles about Perry that I had when George W Bush announced he was looking into running, back in 1999.  It makes no fucking sense, but I can smell the Doom & failure coming.
Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/149180/Perry-Zooms-Front-Pack-2012-GOP-Nomination.aspx) shows him at 29%, with Romney, the nearest contender, at 17% (Bachmann is only at 10%).
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on August 25, 2011, 11:08:20 PM
BBC had a fluff piece tonight on Perry and the "Texas exception" to the US economic downturn.

They only mentioned five minutes into the report that Texas is only fairing slightly better than the national average when it comes to unemployment.

Also, Ross Perot Jr turned up to talk about how wonderful Perry's economic policies are.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Phox on August 25, 2011, 11:29:38 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 25, 2011, 11:04:15 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on August 24, 2011, 12:29:08 AM
Quote from: Jenne on August 24, 2011, 12:24:01 AM
If only that was all that was wrong with his administration, though, Phox...
Oh, of course not. But if it's a choice between Reagan and Perry, say, why not go for the supercrazy?

we need that japanese guy!

I thought we had him as an emote but cannot find right now
Yes, yes we do. I'm going to vote for him, of course.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on August 28, 2011, 03:00:25 PM
QuoteThere is nothing unusual about Governor Rick Perry. Uneducated fools can be found in every country and every period of history, and they are not unknown in high office. What is unusual about today's Republican party (I disavow the ridiculous 'GOP' nickname, because the party of Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt has lately forfeited all claim to be considered 'grand') is this: In any other party and in any other country, an individual may occasionally rise to the top in spite of being an uneducated ignoramus. In today's Republican Party 'in spite of' is not the phrase we need. Ignorance and lack of education are positive qualifications, bordering on obligatory. Intellect, knowledge and linguistic mastery are mistrusted by Republican voters, who, when choosing a president, would apparently prefer someone like themselves over someone actually qualified for the job.

Richard Dawkins takes Perry out back of the woodshed...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/post/attention-governor-perry-evolution-is-a-fact/2011/08/23/gIQAuIFUYJ_blog.html

QuoteA politician's attitude to evolution is perhaps not directly important in itself. It can have unfortunate consequences on education and science policy but, compared to Perry's and the Tea Party's pronouncements on other topics such as economics, taxation, history and sexual politics, their ignorance of evolutionary science might be overlooked. Except that a politician's attitude to evolution, however peripheral it might seem, is a surprisingly apposite litmus test of more general inadequacy. This is because unlike, say, string theory where scientific opinion is genuinely divided, there is about the fact of evolution no doubt at all. Evolution is a fact, as securely established as any in science, and he who denies it betrays woeful ignorance and lack of education, which likely extends to other fields as well. Evolution is not some recondite backwater of science, ignorance of which would be pardonable. It is the stunningly simple but elegant explanation of our very existence and the existence of every living creature on the planet. Thanks to Darwin, we now understand why we are here and why we are the way we are. You cannot be ignorant of evolution and be a cultivated and adequate citizen of today.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 28, 2011, 03:30:19 PM
:mittens: to Dawkins.

Of course, he's an ev0l athiest and people who vote for clowns like Perry aren't allowed to read him. Or Darwin. Or anything other than Left Behind and the King James Bible, from what I can tell.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on August 28, 2011, 04:37:10 PM
The really funny thing about that is Dawkins is right about evolution, of course, but most of his political pronoucements are utterly retarded.  Who can forget the "unmitigated evil" of Islam, after all, and Dawkins proposed tacit alliance with Christianity in Africa against this onslaught?

Just throwing that out there.  Dawkins knows his evolutionary biology, but he's just as politically retarded as Perry, so he's not in much of a position to judge.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: LMNO on August 31, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
My dad used to say, "The entire field of biology, with all it's advancements, discoveries, and innovations, is ultimately based on evolution.  There is no meaningful argument against evolutionary theory."

I dunno if that's precisely true (paging Kai), but it makes a lot of sense.  Science is connected.  If you deny evolution, you have to re-explain everything that's been built off of it.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2011, 02:51:54 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 31, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
My dad used to say, "The entire field of biology, with all it's advancements, discoveries, and innovations, is ultimately based on evolution.  There is no meaningful argument against evolutionary theory."

I dunno if that's precisely true (paging Kai), but it makes a lot of sense.  Science is connected.  If you deny evolution, you have to re-explain everything that's been built off of it.

Not to mention a big pile of fossil evidence, etc.

I have stopped arguing with creationists, as I feel that I might get brain damaged from associating with them.  I simply tune them out; no opinion they have on any subject appears on my radar.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on August 31, 2011, 02:53:43 PM
That sounds exactly right to me.  Obviously, I'm not as well read in this regard as Kai, but I did take on biology after it was a required school subject, and so I dealt with some of the more advanced material.  It'd be very hard to make sense of modern biology at all if evolution were somehow disproven or shown to be wrong.

Which is, of course, the point.  "Disprove" evolution, biological science goes out the window, "A Deity Did It" then becomes the default, acceptable answer for most questions.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2011, 03:13:54 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 31, 2011, 02:53:43 PM
That sounds exactly right to me.  Obviously, I'm not as well read in this regard as Kai, but I did take on biology after it was a required school subject, and so I dealt with some of the more advanced material.  It'd be very hard to make sense of modern biology at all if evolution were somehow disproven or shown to be wrong.

Which is, of course, the point.  "Disprove" evolution, biological science goes out the window, "A Deity Did It" then becomes the default, acceptable answer for most questions.

This retreat into superstition is perfectly understandable.  500 years ago, Western culture invigorated itself, and spent 400+ years building on the work done by each preceding generation.  Then the effort of continuing didn't look appealing to an entitled, lazy culture, and people started listening to priests and shamans again.

So you have the Christian Reconstructionists, etc, and the equally dense "neo-Pagans", where before you had Copernicus and Feynmann.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on August 31, 2011, 03:16:59 PM
I'm actually about to write something big on this.  Once I finish this personal statement.  Hopefully part one will go up this evening.

I think it's sympomatic of something larger, but what you say is definitely part of it.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2011, 03:18:55 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 31, 2011, 03:16:59 PM
I'm actually about to write something big on this.  Once I finish this personal statement.  Hopefully part one will go up this evening.

I think it's sympomatic of something larger, but what you say is definitely part of it.

When I was younger, I read about the decline of civilizations.

Now I get to watch it in real time.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2011, 03:22:30 PM
I'm fairly sure the default fundie position now isn't creationism but intelligent design.  basically evolution but God's hand is involved, guiding it.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2011, 03:23:24 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2011, 03:22:30 PM
I'm fairly sure the default fundie position now isn't creationism but intelligent design.  basically evolution but God's hand is involved, guiding it.

It's the same fucking thing.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on August 31, 2011, 03:25:10 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2011, 03:18:55 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 31, 2011, 03:16:59 PM
I'm actually about to write something big on this.  Once I finish this personal statement.  Hopefully part one will go up this evening.

I think it's sympomatic of something larger, but what you say is definitely part of it.

When I was younger, I read about the decline of civilizations.

Now I get to watch it in real time.

I am both horrified and excited by this.  I'll get to tell the grandkids about shit we USED to have, like electricity, before sending them out to pull weeds in the garden.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on August 31, 2011, 03:28:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2011, 03:18:55 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 31, 2011, 03:16:59 PM
I'm actually about to write something big on this.  Once I finish this personal statement.  Hopefully part one will go up this evening.

I think it's sympomatic of something larger, but what you say is definitely part of it.

When I was younger, I read about the decline of civilizations.

Now I get to watch it in real time.

Fascinating, isn't it?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2011, 03:46:19 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2011, 03:23:24 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2011, 03:22:30 PM
I'm fairly sure the default fundie position now isn't creationism but intelligent design.  basically evolution but God's hand is involved, guiding it.

It's the same fucking thing.

Just as silly, but the arguements against it are a little different.

It also allows for the "God loves gays" arguement in ways that aren't as easy with Creationism.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: LMNO on August 31, 2011, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 31, 2011, 03:16:59 PM
I'm actually about to write something big on this.  Once I finish this personal statement.  Hopefully part one will go up this evening.

I think it's sympomatic of something larger, but what you say is definitely part of it.

I'm looking forward to reading this.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: LMNO on August 31, 2011, 03:47:18 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2011, 03:46:19 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2011, 03:23:24 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2011, 03:22:30 PM
I'm fairly sure the default fundie position now isn't creationism but intelligent design.  basically evolution but God's hand is involved, guiding it.

It's the same fucking thing.

Just as silly, but the arguements against it are a little different.

It also allows for the "God loves gays" arguement in ways that aren't as easy with Creationism.

Don't fall for that shit.  "God did it" and "God is doing it" are the same fucking argument.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Juana on August 31, 2011, 09:17:52 PM
^This. The differences are negligible and ID is creationism dressed up.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2011, 09:21:34 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2011, 03:46:19 PM
Just as silly, but the arguements against it are a little different.

Jesus.  Fuck off.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 31, 2011, 09:55:04 PM
OSHIT. IT'LL THINK THAT WAS SECKS, DOK :puke:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 01, 2011, 12:42:30 AM
Perry's views on abortion are being dragged into view:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/melissa-harris-perry-rick-perry-wants-to-get-all-up-in-your-uterus-and-take-a-picture/

As I understand it, the type of sonogram that can be taken in the first trimester is actually invasive. This isn't a "rub the jelly on the belly and run the little plastic thing over your tummy" job, this is a "lube up the wand and shove it up into the works" procedure.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 01, 2011, 05:30:56 AM
Yee haw.

If it wasn't for Austin, I'd be begging for Texas to be nuked.  :x
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 01, 2011, 06:03:22 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 01, 2011, 12:42:30 AM
Perry's views on abortion are being dragged into view:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/melissa-harris-perry-rick-perry-wants-to-get-all-up-in-your-uterus-and-take-a-picture/

As I understand it, the type of sonogram that can be taken in the first trimester is actually invasive. This isn't a "rub the jelly on the belly and run the little plastic thing over your tummy" job, this is a "lube up the wand and shove it up into the works" procedure.

Yep. I've had that ultrasound a bunch of times, it's REALLY unpleasant not only because they stick a jelly-covered electric wand in your hoo, but because you have to have a very full bladder for it to work. It was reassuring for me to see that Tiny Blobs 1 & 3 (Now EFO and LO) had a heartbeat, but I imagine the whole scene would be super-fucked if you were planning to abort.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 01, 2011, 06:05:28 AM
It's also super-shitty that he wants, basically, to tack on a completely superfluous and medically unnecessary extra expense to abortion, making it even less accessible to the poor.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Don Coyote on September 01, 2011, 06:07:41 AM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2011, 06:03:22 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 01, 2011, 12:42:30 AM
Perry's views on abortion are being dragged into view:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/melissa-harris-perry-rick-perry-wants-to-get-all-up-in-your-uterus-and-take-a-picture/

As I understand it, the type of sonogram that can be taken in the first trimester is actually invasive. This isn't a "rub the jelly on the belly and run the little plastic thing over your tummy" job, this is a "lube up the wand and shove it up into the works" procedure.

Yep. I've had that ultrasound a bunch of times, it's REALLY unpleasant not only because they stick a jelly-covered electric wand in your hoo, but because you have to have a very full bladder for it to work. It was reassuring for me to see that Tiny Blobs 1 & 3 (Now EFO and LO) had a heartbeat, but I imagine the whole scene would be super-fucked if you were planning to abort.

Basically," We are going to violate you, against your wishes, to force you to witness the heartbeat of the embryo/fetus/thingy that you want to abort" :kingmeh:


Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: PopeTom on September 01, 2011, 07:04:07 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on September 01, 2011, 06:07:41 AM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2011, 06:03:22 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 01, 2011, 12:42:30 AM
Perry's views on abortion are being dragged into view:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/melissa-harris-perry-rick-perry-wants-to-get-all-up-in-your-uterus-and-take-a-picture/

As I understand it, the type of sonogram that can be taken in the first trimester is actually invasive. This isn't a "rub the jelly on the belly and run the little plastic thing over your tummy" job, this is a "lube up the wand and shove it up into the works" procedure.

Yep. I've had that ultrasound a bunch of times, it's REALLY unpleasant not only because they stick a jelly-covered electric wand in your hoo, but because you have to have a very full bladder for it to work. It was reassuring for me to see that Tiny Blobs 1 & 3 (Now EFO and LO) had a heartbeat, but I imagine the whole scene would be super-fucked if you were planning to abort.

Basically," We are going to violate you, against your wishes, to force you to witness the heartbeat of the embryo/fetus/thingy that you want to abort" :kingmeh:


"And it won't be covered under your medical insurance so you'll have to pay for it yourself you dirty sex having whore!!!!"
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 01, 2011, 07:35:56 AM
Quote from: PopeTom on September 01, 2011, 07:04:07 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on September 01, 2011, 06:07:41 AM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2011, 06:03:22 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 01, 2011, 12:42:30 AM
Perry's views on abortion are being dragged into view:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/melissa-harris-perry-rick-perry-wants-to-get-all-up-in-your-uterus-and-take-a-picture/

As I understand it, the type of sonogram that can be taken in the first trimester is actually invasive. This isn't a "rub the jelly on the belly and run the little plastic thing over your tummy" job, this is a "lube up the wand and shove it up into the works" procedure.

Yep. I've had that ultrasound a bunch of times, it's REALLY unpleasant not only because they stick a jelly-covered electric wand in your hoo, but because you have to have a very full bladder for it to work. It was reassuring for me to see that Tiny Blobs 1 & 3 (Now EFO and LO) had a heartbeat, but I imagine the whole scene would be super-fucked if you were planning to abort.

Basically," We are going to violate you, against your wishes, to force you to witness the heartbeat of the embryo/fetus/thingy that you want to abort" :kingmeh:


"And it won't be covered under your medical insurance so you'll have to pay for it yourself you dirty sex having whore!!!!"

EW. Rick Perry is Snakeman.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on September 01, 2011, 11:21:38 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 01, 2011, 12:42:30 AM
Perry's views on abortion are being dragged into view:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/melissa-harris-perry-rick-perry-wants-to-get-all-up-in-your-uterus-and-take-a-picture/

As I understand it, the type of sonogram that can be taken in the first trimester is actually invasive. This isn't a "rub the jelly on the belly and run the little plastic thing over your tummy" job, this is a "lube up the wand and shove it up into the works" procedure.

A federal judge put it on hold so she could review the constitutionality of it.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on September 01, 2011, 02:21:18 PM
Quote from: Pancho on September 01, 2011, 11:21:38 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 01, 2011, 12:42:30 AM
Perry's views on abortion are being dragged into view:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/melissa-harris-perry-rick-perry-wants-to-get-all-up-in-your-uterus-and-take-a-picture/

As I understand it, the type of sonogram that can be taken in the first trimester is actually invasive. This isn't a "rub the jelly on the belly and run the little plastic thing over your tummy" job, this is a "lube up the wand and shove it up into the works" procedure.

A federal judge put it on hold so she could review the constitutionality of it.

Seems to be a lot of that going down in the red states lately...
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on September 01, 2011, 02:55:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2011, 06:05:28 AM
to tack on a completely superfluous and medically unnecessary extra expense to abortion, making it even less accessible to the poor.

That's my American dream.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 01, 2011, 03:08:31 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 01, 2011, 02:55:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2011, 06:05:28 AM
to tack on a completely superfluous and medically unnecessary extra expense to abortion, making it even less accessible to the poor.

That's my American dream.


WALMART HAS 25 REGISTERS AND ONLY, LIKE, FIVE OF THEM ARE EVER OPEN! BREED MORE POOR PEOPLE!
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: deadfong on September 01, 2011, 04:29:24 PM
The judge apparently found only part of the law unconstitutional:

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Judge-stays-sonogram-law-2148085.php

QuoteTo those women seeking an abortion, the law would have required doctors to display an ultrasound image of the fetus, make the heartbeat audible and describe the fetus' dimensions, cardiac activity and internal and external organs.

Sparks said all of those requirements violate First Amendment protections against state-ordered speech.

Sparks let stand the law's requirement that sonograms be performed at least 24 hours before an abortion, unless the patient lives 100 miles or more from the nearest provider. In that case, the wait would be shortened to two hours.

Sonograms already are routinely performed before abortions for diagnostic reasons. Typically, they are done the same day.

Kinda sounds like women in Texas who want an abortion will still have to pay for two sonograms, but at least they won't have to hear any speechifying about it.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 02, 2011, 12:18:36 AM
Look guys, not only is Perry more empirical than Obama, but he doesn't use science as a political bludgeon like the Left does.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/275818/anti-science-smear-rich-lowry
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 02, 2011, 06:23:25 AM
Ah, Rich Lowry.

If ever you needed a man to perform literary fellatio on a complete and utter moron, Lowry would be your man.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 02, 2011, 05:55:03 PM
Ho ho ho!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44361767/ns/politics-decision_2012/

QuoteAUSTIN, Texas — Texas governor Rick Perry tried to sideline a state commissioner who opposed expanding the scope of a nuclear-waste landfill owned by one of the governor's biggest political donors, Reuters has learned.

Bobby Gregory, owner of a wildlife ranch and landfill company south of Austin, had opposed a plan to let 36 states send nuclear waste to a 1,338-acre site in Andrews County.

On the other side of the issue was billionaire Harold Simmons and his company Waste Control Specialists LLC, which stood to gain millions of dollars from accepting out-of-state shipments. Simmons had donated over $1 million to Perry's gubernatorial campaigns.

A report in the Los Angeles Times in August examined the case of the Texas waste site and Perry's ties to Simmons, a conservative who funded the Swift Boat campaign that helped torpedo John Kerry's presidential bid.

Perry maintains his appointments are based on merit, and Simmons is inclined to help any conservative Republican, spokespeople for the two said.

In any case, the January vote by the eight-member Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact Commission was key to the future profitability of the nuclear landfill.

Reuters has learned that late last year, after it became clear that the commission might block Waste Control's request to truck in waste from around the country, Perry's appointments chief, Teresa Spears, offered commissioner Gregory an alternative job — a prestigious appointment as a regent of a state university.

Under Texas law, Gregory could not hold two state-appointed positions requiring Senate approval at the same time, and so taking the regent job would have required him to leave the waste commission.

Gary Newton, a lawyer for Gregory's company, Texas Disposal Systems, told Reuters his boss declined the offer. "There was a call from Ms. Spears. Bobby said they asked him if he was interested in this position. It was a Board of Regents position. He said 'No, I'm not interested in that type of appointment,' and declined," Newton said.

Gregory's term as commissioner ended on August 31 this year, so Perry can now replace him. The waste commission voted in January to allow imports, though it still has to examine and approve specific applications to import waste on a case-by-case basis.





Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on September 03, 2011, 04:36:47 PM
 :lulz:

The Perry bobbleheads will completely ignore this.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 03, 2011, 05:39:35 PM
Of course. DAMN FEDS BEATIN UP ON BIDNESS! DAMN SOSHULIZT REGYALAYSHUNS! GOOD THANG WE GOT PERRY!
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Kai on September 04, 2011, 12:34:33 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 31, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
My dad used to say, "The entire field of biology, with all it's advancements, discoveries, and innovations, is ultimately based on evolution.  There is no meaningful argument against evolutionary theory."

I dunno if that's precisely true (paging Kai), but it makes a lot of sense.  Science is connected.  If you deny evolution, you have to re-explain everything that's been built off of it.

It is. Frankly, there wasn't biology before 1859. Once we knew that species changed over time, and that the mechanism was natural selection, life started to make sense. After the Mendelian and molecular revolutions, it /really/ started to make sense, because then we not only knew how changes occurred, but where inherited variation originated (i.e. DNA).

The great geneticist Theodosius Dobzansky said, "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution", and he was a theist. It's basically like claiming geocentrism is the best supported cosmological model. It's /way/ out there. Any biologist who doesn't accept it...wait, lets put it this way. A person who doesn't accept decent with modification cannot be a biologist in any real sense of the word. It's that essential.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Epimetheus on September 04, 2011, 07:27:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obHxrBZfKis

Relevant to both topics at hand because the guy puts up a lot of informative evolutionary biology vids too. :p
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 04, 2011, 10:09:59 AM
Unfortunately, Political Science and Economics have no such basic, concrete theories which are foundational for understanding of the subject as a whole.

This explains why science continues to progress, and economics and politics do not.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: PopeTom on September 04, 2011, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2011, 10:09:59 AM
Unfortunately, Political Science and Economics have no such basic, concrete theories which are foundational for understanding of the subject as a whole.

This explains why science continues to progress, and economics and politics do not.

Science:  This isn't working out the way I expected.  Perhaps I am wrong and should examine other possibilities.

Economic: This isn't working out the way I expected.  We just need to do it on a much bigger scale.

Politics: This isn't working out the way I expected.  People just don't understand (Conservatism/Liberalism/Anarchy/Libertarianism/Ayn Rand/etc.) but since I understand it perfectly I should just be made dictator; I promise to be a benevolent one.   

Religion: This isn't working out the way I expected.  Don't worry God has a plan.

PopeTom: This isn't working out the way I expected.  I'm going to go take a nap.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 04, 2011, 04:43:35 PM
Indeed.  Though I dare say, politics and economics would likely benefit from those involved in them taking more naps.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on September 04, 2011, 05:26:01 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2011, 04:43:35 PM
Indeed.  Though I dare say, politics and economics would likely benefit from those involved in them taking more dirt naps.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Kai on September 04, 2011, 06:25:19 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2011, 10:09:59 AM
Unfortunately, Political Science and Economics have no such basic, concrete theories which are foundational for understanding of the subject as a whole.

This explains why science continues to progress, and economics and politics do not.

If Economics and political science used sociobiology as foundation, I think they would advance quite nicely.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 04, 2011, 06:33:07 PM
Possibly.  I've thought Behavioural Economics may work as a framework, also.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Kai on September 04, 2011, 07:10:07 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2011, 06:33:07 PM
Possibly.  I've thought Behavioural Economics may work as a framework, also.

Anything that acknowledges that humans are social animals whose interactions are based largely in dominance hierarchy struggles and due to memory problems, poor future sense and cognitive bias will often take perceived short term gain over rational best interest is much better than the farce which is being prescribed right now.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: PopeTom on September 04, 2011, 07:42:44 PM
Aren't a lot of economic argument made from the perspective of 'a perfect system'.  The people making the arguments apparently not realizing that a perfect system won't exist as soon as real live humans get involved?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on September 04, 2011, 07:56:11 PM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on September 04, 2011, 06:25:19 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2011, 10:09:59 AM
Unfortunately, Political Science and Economics have no such basic, concrete theories which are foundational for understanding of the subject as a whole.

This explains why science continues to progress, and economics and politics do not.

If Economics and political science used sociobiology as foundation, I think they would advance quite nicely.

IF my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 04, 2011, 08:19:25 PM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on September 04, 2011, 07:10:07 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2011, 06:33:07 PM
Possibly.  I've thought Behavioural Economics may work as a framework, also.

Anything that acknowledges that humans are social animals whose interactions are based largely in dominance hierarchy struggles and due to memory problems, poor future sense and cognitive bias will often take perceived short term gain over rational best interest is much better than the farce which is being prescribed right now.

Though my opinion on this doesn't carry much weight, I agree.

Monetary incentives only accurately model a tiny slice of human behavior, and only in very limited contexts, according to RSAnimate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc).
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Kai on September 05, 2011, 05:45:52 AM
Quote from: Net on September 04, 2011, 08:19:25 PM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on September 04, 2011, 07:10:07 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2011, 06:33:07 PM
Possibly.  I've thought Behavioural Economics may work as a framework, also.

Anything that acknowledges that humans are social animals whose interactions are based largely in dominance hierarchy struggles and due to memory problems, poor future sense and cognitive bias will often take perceived short term gain over rational best interest is much better than the farce which is being prescribed right now.

Though my opinion on this doesn't carry much weight, I agree.

Monetary incentives only accurately model a tiny slice of human behavior, and only in very limited contexts, according to RSAnimate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc).

Yes. They would be modeled much better by the four following things:

1) Survival. Money can fit into this, but only so far; if survival needs are provided for there is no more incentive to increase the pool towards this end. This is why people who are well off are survival stupid.

2) Reproductive fitness: In bisexual mating systems, the sex with the least reproductive cost is more promiscuous, and that with the less is more choosy. Males in humans are more promiscuous, and females more choosy, due to the difference in gamete size, physiological nurturing and parental care of the young. This trumps everything, as humans wouldn't be around if it didn't.

3) Social status: Males who have high social status have less worry about survival and more access to females. Females with high social status are much the same, but instead of more access they have more ability to choose. Reproductive fitness still trumps social status, as can seen by all the male politicians who get caught fucking their secretaries. Social incentive would dictate not doing this, but reproductive incentive is far stronger. Let me be clear, most of them are not thinking "I want to impregnate my secretary", but it's a linked response. Sex feels good, because it increases the likelyhood of reproduction occurring. Now, you may be asking, "then why aren't there orgies in the streets?" Because, dear reader, female choice establishes an arms race between male and female sexes, males to defeat female choice, and females to enhance it. Social status can trump survival, especially if it leads to an increase in fitness.

4) Entertainment. For much the same reason there is sexual incentive. Being entertained feels good, and feeling good is an incentive for doing something, whether social or sexual or survival. But pleasure often becomes linked to things which are not associated with any of the above, so entertainment can be a driver for human behavior, though not as strong as the above things (despite prevailing stupidity; think "hey guys, watch this!").


And lest anyone call me on this, /YES/ I DID pull this out of my ass. So there. It still works better than thinking people work on monetary incentives, with millions of years without money as a selection pressure to change behavior. Plenty of selection pressures on survival, reproductive fitness and social status, though. Entertainment is just incedentally linked through pleasure and survival.
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Post by: Epimetheus on September 05, 2011, 05:54:41 AM
Nice breakdown, Kai.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 05, 2011, 06:14:48 AM
Yes, it is.
I was thinking about the reproductive cost thing the other day. "Double standard" is kind of a misnomer if it's hardwired, isn't it?
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Post by: Triple Zero on September 05, 2011, 07:42:50 AM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on September 05, 2011, 05:45:52 AM
Now, you may be asking, "then why aren't there orgies in the streets?"

I wasn't at first but now I can't stop wondering about it!!! :argh!:

QuoteBecause, dear reader, female choice establishes an arms race between male and female sexes, males to defeat female choice, and females to enhance it. Social status can trump survival, especially if it leads to an increase in fitness.

So how do we fix this????
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Phox on September 05, 2011, 08:38:22 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 05, 2011, 07:42:50 AM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on September 05, 2011, 05:45:52 AM
Now, you may be asking, "then why aren't there orgies in the streets?"

I wasn't at first but now I can't stop wondering about it!!! :argh!:

QuoteBecause, dear reader, female choice establishes an arms race between male and female sexes, males to defeat female choice, and females to enhance it. Social status can trump survival, especially if it leads to an increase in fitness.

So how do we fix this????
I also vote yes on orgies in the street. Good clean family fun.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 05, 2011, 09:02:06 AM
Quote from: PopeTom on September 04, 2011, 07:42:44 PM
Aren't a lot of economic argument made from the perspective of 'a perfect system'.  The people making the arguments apparently not realizing that a perfect system won't exist as soon as real live humans get involved?

Well, kinda.

They're looking for an abstract, parsimonious, rule governed system where rational economic actors engage in cost/benefit analysis in economic terms.

The problem is parsimony is only useful when it actually explains the phenomena and just becomes unnecessary simplification after that, abstract theories tend to detract from the actual real world impacts of policy, rule-governed systems assume we've discovered the rules in the first place and, well, as for the rational economic actor....little things like religions, family, concepts of honour, cultural traditions and so on tend to decrease the possibility of rational decision-making.  The psychological factor is one that is massively overlooked in economics, and has only recently been examined (by behavioural economists, who do experiments to see what people actually do in a given situation, rather than assume they've worked backwards to the basics through superior reasoning and education).
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 05, 2011, 09:11:47 AM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on September 04, 2011, 07:10:07 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2011, 06:33:07 PM
Possibly.  I've thought Behavioural Economics may work as a framework, also.

Anything that acknowledges that humans are social animals whose interactions are based largely in dominance hierarchy struggles and due to memory problems, poor future sense and cognitive bias will often take perceived short term gain over rational best interest is much better than the farce which is being prescribed right now.

Well, exactly.

The problem is, "science" is kinda a dirty word in many of the social sciences right now, among intelligent people, precisely because of the kind of "theorizing" I mentioned above when I replied to PopeTom.  And that's not entirely without merit, when you consider how horribly wrong the likes of the Chicago School of Economics and the Harvard School of Government have been on every major topic in economics and politics in the last 50 years.  They're applying a sort of quasi-scientific approach...it's just so horribly flawed and wrong that anyone who hasn't been brainwashed by their little academic cults is immediately turned off.

The thing is, at least with politics, the historical factor has to be present.  As does the humanist factor.  Coupled with actual experiments of how people actually behave in situations which can be scaled up to the level of concern which the researcher is involved with.  Economics requires the psychological and cultural factors which are almost entirely ignored (or, more cruelly, acknowledged but then advocating their destruction in order to bring about the perfect economic future).

The instrumental-rationalist/quasi-scientific approach in the social sciences has been an utter disaster, not just for our understanding of the world, but on a real, practical level.  It cannot go on like this forever.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Triple Zero on September 05, 2011, 11:50:31 AM
"but acting that way would be irrational and stupid!!"

yeah but it's happening right in front of our eyes, and ignoring observations because they don't fit a theory isn't very scientific.

additionally, I get the strong feeling that this theoretical perfect world that is not "irrational and stupid", even if it can be partially, locally and temporarily achieved, is nearly always a very unstable equilibrium.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 05, 2011, 12:42:26 PM
A perfect example of what I would be talking about would be this:

During the Cold War, a lot of funding went to social scientists to figure out how to counter, and ultimately destroy the Soviet Union - preferably with nukes not being involved.  One of these men, Kenneth Waltz, sat down and thought for a long, hard time about this.  He kept on thinking, until he felt he had seized upon an answer.  He wrote and published a book, called Theory of International Politics, to international academic acclaim.

The problem was, his book was so utterly useless it helped no-one.  As a national security advisor who read the book once complained, while it made lots of bold claims like that bi-polar systems were more stable, that told him absolutely fuck all about the outcome of the only conflict that concerned him - the one between the Soviet Union and the United States.

Waltz, when pressed on these criticisms, stated it didn't matter whether or not he made certain policy recommendations, as that was not the role of a theorist.  Here's what another critic says:

QuoteThe primary villain in this process, according to most of the increasingly vocal critics of the discipline, is Kenneth Waltz, whose self-proclaimed scientific overall of political realism is said to reduce international politics "to a self-enclosed, self-affirming joining of statist, utilitarian, positivist, and structuralist commitments" (Ashley 1986, 258; Waltz 1979). Ironically, however, Waltz, more than any of his followers and critics, consistently acknowledges the explicitly analytical, abstracted nature of his neorealist theory of international
politics (Waltz 1990, 31; see chapter four for further discussion).

There are many legitimate criticisms that can be leveled against Waltz, but subsequent debate has largely missed the point of his neorealist theory, focusing on whether and how to flesh out its allegedly sparse interpretation of political structure while failing to recognize that its parsimony is precisely what Waltz intends, and is the essence of his contribution. Clearly it is not realistic to reduce the exotically complexreality of international politics to a handful of variables, and to understand state behavior purely in terms of the competitive dynamics created by the anarchical structure of the international system. But being thoroughly unrealistic is exactly what Waltz intends, and exactly what deductive theory requires (Waltz 1990).

Post-1979, however, the alpha and omega of mainstream IR theory has involved a quest to make neorealism describe and explain everything, in blithe disregard of its intended function and the intrinsic complexity of international politics. Remarkably, the stunning arrogance of Waltz's theoretical claims is all but eclipsed by the rush to adopt and adapt them. Conspicuously absent in these debates is any serious attempt to question Waltz's claim to provide not  a theory of international politics, but the theory of international politics. In one stroke neorealism slams the disciplinary door on all other conceptions of theory, all other conceptions of realism included. Again, the sheer audacity of Waltz's position is mitigated by his frank acknowledgment of its deliberate abstraction from  "the rich variety and wondrous complexity of international life" (Waltz 1990, 32). But, as the debates occasioned by Waltz so richly attest, the realities of international politics can be difficult to distinguish from the assumptions used to investigate or model them.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on September 05, 2011, 04:11:47 PM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on September 04, 2011, 07:10:07 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2011, 06:33:07 PM
Possibly.  I've thought Behavioural Economics may work as a framework, also.

Anything that acknowledges that humans are social animals whose interactions are based largely in dominance hierarchy struggles and due to memory problems, poor future sense and cognitive bias will often take perceived short term gain over rational best interest is much better than the farce which is being prescribed right now.

Take primatology, add to that the thin veneer of abject bullshit that comprises what we refer to as "civilisation" and then assume that every facet of that thin veneer will be trumped the second a primate urge rears it's head and you'll be pretty close to figuring out why none of this could ever possibly work out the way everyone seems to think it ought to. The problem is not the system - any system would work just fine ANY system at all, that is. The problem is that we don't work. Bald apes are not capable of organising the worlds largest insect colony for obvious* reasons.


* so obvious that very few of them seem capable of seeing it
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 05, 2011, 04:16:05 PM
 :roll:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Kai on September 06, 2011, 03:30:24 AM
Just to be clear, I do think that people can live and thrive together because I don't think we would have survived as a species for the last 2 million years if it wasn't so. Once we understood microorganismal causes for diseases and cultured various bacteria, it became possible to discover vaccines and antibiotics. Before that, doctors just did things to people and hoped that they worked, never knowing why if they did. Right now, that's how we react to economic and social systems that seem "sick". Various authorities prescribe cures and sometimes they work, often not, and it's unknown why.

So I disagree with Pent, in the same way I would disagree with a medieval doctor who told me that whether his practice worked was up to god. Sometimes these cynical blanket statements sound like analogues to creationist diatribes. "Human social systems can't work, because, so there. I mean, just look at them! They're hairless apes, they can't do anything right!"
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Kai on September 06, 2011, 03:44:53 AM
Quote from: Cain on September 05, 2011, 09:11:47 AM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on September 04, 2011, 07:10:07 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2011, 06:33:07 PM
Possibly.  I've thought Behavioural Economics may work as a framework, also.

Anything that acknowledges that humans are social animals whose interactions are based largely in dominance hierarchy struggles and due to memory problems, poor future sense and cognitive bias will often take perceived short term gain over rational best interest is much better than the farce which is being prescribed right now.

Well, exactly.

The problem is, "science" is kinda a dirty word in many of the social sciences right now, among intelligent people, precisely because of the kind of "theorizing" I mentioned above when I replied to PopeTom.  And that's not entirely without merit, when you consider how horribly wrong the likes of the Chicago School of Economics and the Harvard School of Government have been on every major topic in economics and politics in the last 50 years.  They're applying a sort of quasi-scientific approach...it's just so horribly flawed and wrong that anyone who hasn't been brainwashed by their little academic cults is immediately turned off.

The thing is, at least with politics, the historical factor has to be present.  As does the humanist factor.  Coupled with actual experiments of how people actually behave in situations which can be scaled up to the level of concern which the researcher is involved with.  Economics requires the psychological and cultural factors which are almost entirely ignored (or, more cruelly, acknowledged but then advocating their destruction in order to bring about the perfect economic future).

The instrumental-rationalist/quasi-scientific approach in the social sciences has been an utter disaster, not just for our understanding of the world, but on a real, practical level.  It cannot go on like this forever.

If I understand this and your earliest post, the best description, the most parsimonious, simplest rulebook for an economic system is actually not simple or easily described by simple factors. The most parsimonious answer, when using all of the factors including psychological and cultural factors is one of startling complexity, far more complex than what the current economic authorities are selling.

Therein, as you say, is why Harvard Economics is quasi-scientific, as a full scientific approach would attempt to include all factors (or at least attempt to isolate them individually and then combine them later) and not stop at an easy answer if it didn't fully explain the system.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 06, 2011, 01:09:51 PM
Precisely.  The author I quoted makes exactly the same point.  Yes, a theory should not include unnecessary information....but when you're dealing with groups of people, the pool of relevant information is going to be a lot larger.  Off the top of my head, sociobiology, evolutionary psychology, behavioural economics, sociology, social psychology, history, the sociology of religion, political philosophy and strategic cultures would be a starting point for understanding in IR, and likely economics as well.

There is actually a branch of IR which deals with this multi-level approach quite well.  Conflict studies, at least as I was led to understand it, works at the individual level (psychology, ideology), the social level (culture, socio-economics) and the national/international level to fully understand any given conflict situation.  However, they're generally more taken with the critical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory) (quasi-Marxist) or postmodernist approaches, due to the same perception of science = abstract parsimony a la Kenneth Waltz.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Triple Zero on September 06, 2011, 02:38:03 PM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on September 06, 2011, 03:30:24 AM
Just to be clear, I do think that people can live and thrive together because I don't think we would have survived as a species for the last 2 million years if it wasn't so. Once we understood microorganismal causes for diseases and cultured various bacteria, it became possible to discover vaccines and antibiotics. Before that, doctors just did things to people and hoped that they worked, never knowing why if they did. Right now, that's how we react to economic and social systems that seem "sick". Various authorities prescribe cures and sometimes they work, often not, and it's unknown why.

So I disagree with Pent, in the same way I would disagree with a medieval doctor who told me that whether his practice worked was up to god. Sometimes these cynical blanket statements sound like analogues to creationist diatribes. "Human social systems can't work, because, so there. I mean, just look at them! They're hairless apes, they can't do anything right!"

That's the most agreeable and sensible reason for optimism I've considered in a long time.

Still doesn't guarantee we won't fuck up this planet into becoming unlivable to our own species within this century, but it does provide a possible way out.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on September 06, 2011, 02:45:46 PM
Prophecy:

Economic and social sciences finally discover functional scientific models.

This creates a tribe of "folk economists" who prefer the old methods and ignore the contemporary scientific findings. Economic homeopaths, if you will.




also (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/Smileys/default/mittens.gif) to kai
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 04:17:18 PM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on September 04, 2011, 12:34:33 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 31, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
My dad used to say, "The entire field of biology, with all it's advancements, discoveries, and innovations, is ultimately based on evolution.  There is no meaningful argument against evolutionary theory."

I dunno if that's precisely true (paging Kai), but it makes a lot of sense.  Science is connected.  If you deny evolution, you have to re-explain everything that's been built off of it.

It is. Frankly, there wasn't biology before 1859. Once we knew that species changed over time, and that the mechanism was natural selection, life started to make sense. After the Mendelian and molecular revolutions, it /really/ started to make sense, because then we not only knew how changes occurred, but where inherited variation originated (i.e. DNA).

The great geneticist Theodosius Dobzansky said, "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution", and he was a theist. It's basically like claiming geocentrism is the best supported cosmological model. It's /way/ out there. Any biologist who doesn't accept it...wait, lets put it this way. A person who doesn't accept decent with modification cannot be a biologist in any real sense of the word. It's that essential.

This is why the difference between creationism and intelligent design matters.

Intelligent design includes descent with modification.  Creationism does not.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 04:18:20 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on September 04, 2011, 05:26:01 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2011, 04:43:35 PM
Indeed.  Though I dare say, politics and economics would likely benefit from those involved in them taking more dirt naps.

That sounds like one of the commonly taken political solutions.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on September 06, 2011, 04:18:40 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 04:17:18 PM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on September 04, 2011, 12:34:33 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 31, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
My dad used to say, "The entire field of biology, with all it's advancements, discoveries, and innovations, is ultimately based on evolution.  There is no meaningful argument against evolutionary theory."

I dunno if that's precisely true (paging Kai), but it makes a lot of sense.  Science is connected.  If you deny evolution, you have to re-explain everything that's been built off of it.

It is. Frankly, there wasn't biology before 1859. Once we knew that species changed over time, and that the mechanism was natural selection, life started to make sense. After the Mendelian and molecular revolutions, it /really/ started to make sense, because then we not only knew how changes occurred, but where inherited variation originated (i.e. DNA).

The great geneticist Theodosius Dobzansky said, "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution", and he was a theist. It's basically like claiming geocentrism is the best supported cosmological model. It's /way/ out there. Any biologist who doesn't accept it...wait, lets put it this way. A person who doesn't accept decent with modification cannot be a biologist in any real sense of the word. It's that essential.

This is why the difference between creationism and intelligent design matters.

Intelligent design includes descent with modification.  Creationism does not.

Prove it.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Elder Iptuous on September 06, 2011, 04:25:48 PM
right. i thought that 'irreducible complexity' was one of the bulwarks of ID.  This would seem to deny descent with modification, no?

i don't see how ID is anything other than a way of referencing creationism by saying, "Look at this fucking eyeball! it's fucking awesome! you can't put watch pieces in a bag, and randomly hit it with a hammer and make an eyeball!  It has to be designed by some intelligence.  And he has a beard.  And he hates people like you."

It's just a new term because they soiled the last one that meant the exact same damn thing.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 04:31:22 PM
I'm not arguing for intelligent Design, it's a fundamentally flawed approach.  But it is distinctly different from creationism in that they aren't saying everything is the way it is because made it that way in the beginning.  It allows for the modification of species and assumes genetic inheritance in the same way that evolutionary theory does.  The difference is where the modifications in genetic inheritance come from, to a Darwinian they are the result of random mutation and survival of the fittest, to an ID advocate they are the result of god's hand.

It's basically an attempt by Christians to explain why you can't experience the invisible dragon in any way other than sight, without resorting to silly stuff like "god put dinosaur bones underground that appear to be millions of years old just to trick you"  not that the idea of god tinkering with dna is all that much less silly, but it is silly in a more subtle way.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on September 06, 2011, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 04:31:22 PM
I'm not arguing for intelligent Design, it's a fundamentally flawed approach.  But it is distinctly different from creationism in that they aren't saying everything is the way it is because made it that way in the beginning.  It allows for the modification of species and assumes genetic inheritance in the same way that evolutionary theory does.  The difference is where the modifications in genetic inheritance come from, to a Darwinian they are the result of random mutation and survival of the fittest, to an ID advocate they are the result of god's hand.

It's basically an attempt by Christians to explain why you can't experience the invisible dragon in any way other than sight, without resorting to silly stuff like "god put dinosaur bones underground that appear to be millions of years old just to trick you"  not that the idea of god tinkering with dna is all that much less silly, but it is silly in a more subtle way.

Bullshit. The story of Cain finding a wife among the others automatically disputes your claim. I can counter the myth with another one, that there was more than one creator and they were in a pissing contest and each made people. One wasn't arrogant enough to claim perfection right out of the clay and allowed people to evolve at a normal pace. Where does that leave us?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 06, 2011, 04:38:22 PM
Quote from: Hawk on September 06, 2011, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 04:31:22 PM
I'm not arguing for intelligent Design, it's a fundamentally flawed approach.  But it is distinctly different from creationism in that they aren't saying everything is the way it is because made it that way in the beginning.  It allows for the modification of species and assumes genetic inheritance in the same way that evolutionary theory does.  The difference is where the modifications in genetic inheritance come from, to a Darwinian they are the result of random mutation and survival of the fittest, to an ID advocate they are the result of god's hand.

It's basically an attempt by Christians to explain why you can't experience the invisible dragon in any way other than sight, without resorting to silly stuff like "god put dinosaur bones underground that appear to be millions of years old just to trick you"  not that the idea of god tinkering with dna is all that much less silly, but it is silly in a more subtle way.

Bullshit. The story of Cain finding a wife among the others automatically disputes your claim. I can counter the myth with another one, that there was more than one creator and they were in a pissing contest and each made people. One wasn't arrogant enough to claim perfection right out of the clay and allowed people to evolve at a normal pace. Where does that leave us?

Uh, I wasn't informed of this....
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 04:40:13 PM
Quote from: Hawk on September 06, 2011, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 04:31:22 PM
I'm not arguing for intelligent Design, it's a fundamentally flawed approach.  But it is distinctly different from creationism in that they aren't saying everything is the way it is because made it that way in the beginning.  It allows for the modification of species and assumes genetic inheritance in the same way that evolutionary theory does.  The difference is where the modifications in genetic inheritance come from, to a Darwinian they are the result of random mutation and survival of the fittest, to an ID advocate they are the result of god's hand.

It's basically an attempt by Christians to explain why you can't experience the invisible dragon in any way other than sight, without resorting to silly stuff like "god put dinosaur bones underground that appear to be millions of years old just to trick you"  not that the idea of god tinkering with dna is all that much less silly, but it is silly in a more subtle way.

Bullshit. The story of Cain finding a wife among the others automatically disputes your claim. I can counter the myth with another one, that there was more than one creator and they were in a pissing contest and each made people. One wasn't arrogant enough to claim perfection right out of the clay and allowed people to evolve at a normal pace. Where does that leave us?

huh?  I think you are talking right past me.  Cain finding a wife east of Eden counters the creationist theory, it doesn't really touch ID.  ID isn't an origin theory, it's an evolutionary one, focusing on how things develop and how they are developing.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on September 06, 2011, 04:42:24 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 06, 2011, 04:38:22 PM
Quote from: Hawk on September 06, 2011, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 04:31:22 PM
I'm not arguing for intelligent Design, it's a fundamentally flawed approach.  But it is distinctly different from creationism in that they aren't saying everything is the way it is because made it that way in the beginning.  It allows for the modification of species and assumes genetic inheritance in the same way that evolutionary theory does.  The difference is where the modifications in genetic inheritance come from, to a Darwinian they are the result of random mutation and survival of the fittest, to an ID advocate they are the result of god's hand.

It's basically an attempt by Christians to explain why you can't experience the invisible dragon in any way other than sight, without resorting to silly stuff like "god put dinosaur bones underground that appear to be millions of years old just to trick you"  not that the idea of god tinkering with dna is all that much less silly, but it is silly in a more subtle way.

Bullshit. The story of Cain finding a wife among the others automatically disputes your claim. I can counter the myth with another one, that there was more than one creator and they were in a pissing contest and each made people. One wasn't arrogant enough to claim perfection right out of the clay and allowed people to evolve at a normal pace. Where does that leave us?

Uh, I wasn't informed of this....

I sent you the memo...
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 06, 2011, 04:44:11 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 04:40:13 PM
Quote from: Hawk on September 06, 2011, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 04:31:22 PM
I'm not arguing for intelligent Design, it's a fundamentally flawed approach.  But it is distinctly different from creationism in that they aren't saying everything is the way it is because made it that way in the beginning.  It allows for the modification of species and assumes genetic inheritance in the same way that evolutionary theory does.  The difference is where the modifications in genetic inheritance come from, to a Darwinian they are the result of random mutation and survival of the fittest, to an ID advocate they are the result of god's hand.

It's basically an attempt by Christians to explain why you can't experience the invisible dragon in any way other than sight, without resorting to silly stuff like "god put dinosaur bones underground that appear to be millions of years old just to trick you"  not that the idea of god tinkering with dna is all that much less silly, but it is silly in a more subtle way.

Bullshit. The story of Cain finding a wife among the others automatically disputes your claim. I can counter the myth with another one, that there was more than one creator and they were in a pissing contest and each made people. One wasn't arrogant enough to claim perfection right out of the clay and allowed people to evolve at a normal pace. Where does that leave us?

huh?  I think you are talking right past me.  Cain finding a wife east of Eden counters the creationist theory, it doesn't really touch ID.  ID isn't an origin theory, it's an evolutionary one, focusing on how things develop and how they are developing.

:facepalm:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Don Coyote on September 06, 2011, 04:45:47 PM
Honestly, you guys want rational discourse from murderraper? :lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on September 06, 2011, 04:46:37 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 04:40:13 PM
Quote from: Hawk on September 06, 2011, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 04:31:22 PM
I'm not arguing for intelligent Design, it's a fundamentally flawed approach.  But it is distinctly different from creationism in that they aren't saying everything is the way it is because made it that way in the beginning.  It allows for the modification of species and assumes genetic inheritance in the same way that evolutionary theory does.  The difference is where the modifications in genetic inheritance come from, to a Darwinian they are the result of random mutation and survival of the fittest, to an ID advocate they are the result of god's hand.

It's basically an attempt by Christians to explain why you can't experience the invisible dragon in any way other than sight, without resorting to silly stuff like "god put dinosaur bones underground that appear to be millions of years old just to trick you"  not that the idea of god tinkering with dna is all that much less silly, but it is silly in a more subtle way.

Bullshit. The story of Cain finding a wife among the others automatically disputes your claim. I can counter the myth with another one, that there was more than one creator and they were in a pissing contest and each made people. One wasn't arrogant enough to claim perfection right out of the clay and allowed people to evolve at a normal pace. Where does that leave us?

huh?  I think you are talking right past me.  Cain finding a wife east of Eden counters the creationist theory, it doesn't really touch ID.  ID isn't an origin theory, it's an evolutionary one, focusing on how things develop and how they are developing.

Check, so that leaves us with interspecies procreation.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on September 06, 2011, 04:48:50 PM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on September 06, 2011, 04:45:47 PM
Honestly, you guys want rational discourse from murderraper? :lulz:

Not really, I just got tired of the bullshit claim that they were different things.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 05:01:35 PM
Quote from: Hawk on September 06, 2011, 04:48:50 PM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on September 06, 2011, 04:45:47 PM
Honestly, you guys want rational discourse from murderraper? :lulz:

Not really, I just got tired of the bullshit claim that they were different things.

They are different things.  How does Cain finding a wife have anything at all to do with the theory that god effects evolution in an active way?

You are insisting on conflating creationism, which is an origin theory, with ID which is an evolutionary theory and that means that if you get into a debate with someone who actually believes in ID you will come off as ignorant.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Juana on September 06, 2011, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 04:17:18 PM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on September 04, 2011, 12:34:33 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 31, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
My dad used to say, "The entire field of biology, with all it's advancements, discoveries, and innovations, is ultimately based on evolution.  There is no meaningful argument against evolutionary theory."

I dunno if that's precisely true (paging Kai), but it makes a lot of sense.  Science is connected.  If you deny evolution, you have to re-explain everything that's been built off of it.

It is. Frankly, there wasn't biology before 1859. Once we knew that species changed over time, and that the mechanism was natural selection, life started to make sense. After the Mendelian and molecular revolutions, it /really/ started to make sense, because then we not only knew how changes occurred, but where inherited variation originated (i.e. DNA).

The great geneticist Theodosius Dobzansky said, "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution", and he was a theist. It's basically like claiming geocentrism is the best supported cosmological model. It's /way/ out there. Any biologist who doesn't accept it...wait, lets put it this way. A person who doesn't accept decent with modification cannot be a biologist in any real sense of the word. It's that essential.

This is why the difference between creationism and intelligent design matters.

Intelligent design includes descent with modification.  Creationism does not.
Oh my fucking god, BH! Give it up already! It's creationism dressed up in a lab coat. End of goddamn story.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on September 06, 2011, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 05:01:35 PM
Quote from: Hawk on September 06, 2011, 04:48:50 PM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on September 06, 2011, 04:45:47 PM
Honestly, you guys want rational discourse from murderraper? :lulz:

Not really, I just got tired of the bullshit claim that they were different things.

They are different things.  How does Cain finding a wife have anything at all to do with the theory that god effects evolution in an active way?

You are insisting on conflating creationism, which is an origin theory, with ID which is an evolutionary theory and that means that if you get into a debate with someone who actually believes in ID you will come off as ignorant.

Okay, you just crossed a line pal. Now, go fuck yourself you ignorant ass. If anyone is conflating anything it is you and your ignorant defense of attempting to separate ID from creationism.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: LMNO on September 06, 2011, 05:11:13 PM
Can we get Cain and Kai back in here, and ignore BH?  I preferred what was happening in this thread before the creationist spoke up.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: PopeTom on September 06, 2011, 05:55:10 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 06, 2011, 02:45:46 PM
Prophecy:

Economic and social sciences finally discover functional scientific models.

This creates a tribe of "folk economists" who prefer the old methods and ignore the contemporary scientific findings. Economic homeopaths, if you will.


I'm sorry but I only practice organic economics.  I'm thinking if all goes well then next year I'll experiment with raw organic economics to see if it's as viable and healthy as I think it is.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: PopeTom on September 06, 2011, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 06, 2011, 04:38:22 PM
Quote from: Hawk on September 06, 2011, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 04:31:22 PM
I'm not arguing for intelligent Design, it's a fundamentally flawed approach.  But it is distinctly different from creationism in that they aren't saying everything is the way it is because made it that way in the beginning.  It allows for the modification of species and assumes genetic inheritance in the same way that evolutionary theory does.  The difference is where the modifications in genetic inheritance come from, to a Darwinian they are the result of random mutation and survival of the fittest, to an ID advocate they are the result of god's hand.

It's basically an attempt by Christians to explain why you can't experience the invisible dragon in any way other than sight, without resorting to silly stuff like "god put dinosaur bones underground that appear to be millions of years old just to trick you"  not that the idea of god tinkering with dna is all that much less silly, but it is silly in a more subtle way.

Bullshit. The story of Cain finding a wife among the others automatically disputes your claim. I can counter the myth with another one, that there was more than one creator and they were in a pissing contest and each made people. One wasn't arrogant enough to claim perfection right out of the clay and allowed people to evolve at a normal pace. Where does that leave us?

Uh, I wasn't informed of this....

Quit yer bitching and spread your seed to the four corners of the earth!!!!

:argh!:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 06, 2011, 06:59:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 06, 2011, 05:11:13 PM
Can we get Cain and Kai back in here, and ignore BH?  I preferred what was happening in this thread before the creationist spoke up.

This.

How long are you guys going to pay attention to that asshole?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 06, 2011, 07:12:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 06, 2011, 06:59:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 06, 2011, 05:11:13 PM
Can we get Cain and Kai back in here, and ignore BH?  I preferred what was happening in this thread before the creationist spoke up.

This.

How long are you guys going to pay attention to that asshole?

:mittens:

Tune his ass out. It works.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 07:21:51 PM
Quote from: Hawk on September 06, 2011, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 05:01:35 PM
Quote from: Hawk on September 06, 2011, 04:48:50 PM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on September 06, 2011, 04:45:47 PM
Honestly, you guys want rational discourse from murderraper? :lulz:

Not really, I just got tired of the bullshit claim that they were different things.

They are different things.  How does Cain finding a wife have anything at all to do with the theory that god effects evolution in an active way?

You are insisting on conflating creationism, which is an origin theory, with ID which is an evolutionary theory and that means that if you get into a debate with someone who actually believes in ID you will come off as ignorant.

Okay, you just crossed a line pal. Now, go fuck yourself you ignorant ass. If anyone is conflating anything it is you and your ignorant defense of attempting to separate ID from creationism.

ook ook
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Adios on September 06, 2011, 10:14:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 06, 2011, 06:59:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 06, 2011, 05:11:13 PM
Can we get Cain and Kai back in here, and ignore BH?  I preferred what was happening in this thread before the creationist spoke up.

This.

How long are you guys going to pay attention to that asshole?

I'm done.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 06, 2011, 11:34:21 PM
Ron Paul just kicked Perry in the balls...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20102135-503544.html

Shit's gonna get nasty.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Kai on September 07, 2011, 04:23:44 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2011, 04:17:18 PM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on September 04, 2011, 12:34:33 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 31, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
My dad used to say, "The entire field of biology, with all it's advancements, discoveries, and innovations, is ultimately based on evolution.  There is no meaningful argument against evolutionary theory."

I dunno if that's precisely true (paging Kai), but it makes a lot of sense.  Science is connected.  If you deny evolution, you have to re-explain everything that's been built off of it.

It is. Frankly, there wasn't biology before 1859. Once we knew that species changed over time, and that the mechanism was natural selection, life started to make sense. After the Mendelian and molecular revolutions, it /really/ started to make sense, because then we not only knew how changes occurred, but where inherited variation originated (i.e. DNA).

The great geneticist Theodosius Dobzansky said, "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution", and he was a theist. It's basically like claiming geocentrism is the best supported cosmological model. It's /way/ out there. Any biologist who doesn't accept it...wait, lets put it this way. A person who doesn't accept decent with modification cannot be a biologist in any real sense of the word. It's that essential.

This is why the difference between creationism and intelligent design matters.

Intelligent design includes descent with modification.  Creationism does not.

Oh FUCKING JESUS CHRIST, BABYLHORV.

I am not going to waste my time digging up all kinds of notes on Intelligent Design Creationism just being the next iteration of anti-evolutionary dogma, so I will instead just link to PZ Myers (because if he's good for anything, it's clarifying the history of religious movements encroaching onto science). http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/09/creationism_evolves_by_jerks.php
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Epimetheus on September 07, 2011, 04:36:43 AM
Yeah, I think any denial that it can all occur naturally is the same horrid stupidity.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Kai on September 07, 2011, 04:53:51 AM
Quote from: Cain on September 06, 2011, 01:09:51 PM
Precisely.  The author I quoted makes exactly the same point.  Yes, a theory should not include unnecessary information....but when you're dealing with groups of people, the pool of relevant information is going to be a lot larger.  Off the top of my head, sociobiology, evolutionary psychology, behavioural economics, sociology, social psychology, history, the sociology of religion, political philosophy and strategic cultures would be a starting point for understanding in IR, and likely economics as well.

There is actually a branch of IR which deals with this multi-level approach quite well.  Conflict studies, at least as I was led to understand it, works at the individual level (psychology, ideology), the social level (culture, socio-economics) and the national/international level to fully understand any given conflict situation.  However, they're generally more taken with the critical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory) (quasi-Marxist) or postmodernist approaches, due to the same perception of science = abstract parsimony a la Kenneth Waltz.

So, what is the best starting point? Obviously economic/social systems are high enough complexity of factors that we can't completely isolate any one, but trying to take them all at once is an impossibility of scale. Which one would you work at, to take a bite out of the whale (if you will) in an attempt to understand the whole? Or would you just suggest conflict studies without the marxist or postmodern assumptions?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 07, 2011, 01:13:43 PM
Most of my notes concerning such things are on my Kindle.  Mostly, my experience of conflict studies comes from its utility in the "roots debate" in terrorism ie; what are the causes of terrorism and what is the definition of terrorism.  It basically takes a multi-level approach, showing what factors should be considered in the analysis of conflict.

These levels are:

Structural: the global economy, territorial disputes, nature of the international system, colonialism

Culture: history and memory (what stories do people tell about themselves, and why), identity, sub-cultures of violence

Socialisation: socio-economic opportunities (or lack thereof), social/political/religious trends, institutionalised discrimination/inequality, protracted conflict, modernisation and urbanisation, social construction of reality, internal group dynamics,

Psychological level: social construction of reality, a cause or ideology, identity

This isn't an exhaustive list, of course, (for some reason I have a lot of notes on the "displacement theory" of violence) but it gives you the idea, the outline of a toolkit for examining one facet of political behaviour.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 07, 2011, 01:56:32 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 06, 2011, 11:34:21 PM
Ron Paul just kicked Perry in the balls...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20102135-503544.html

Shit's gonna get nasty.

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
That ad was like something one of you asshats would cook up...
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 07, 2011, 11:22:35 PM
Aaah, Rick, Rick...

"Smaller government!  Smaller government!"

"Hey, I know how to cut government spending!  Let's cut fire department spending by 75%!  That's a GREAT idea!"

"Oh, fuck.  Wildfires.  People are PISSED.  Obama, HELP!!!"

http://firedoglake.com/2011/09/07/after-rick-perry-cut-fire-department-funding-by-75-texas-ravaged-by-wildfires/
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 08, 2011, 12:03:15 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 07, 2011, 11:22:35 PM
Aaah, Rick, Rick...

"Smaller government!  Smaller government!"

"Hey, I know how to cut government spending!  Let's cut fire department spending by 75%!  That's a GREAT idea!"

"Oh, fuck.  Wildfires.  People are PISSED.  Obama, HELP!!!"

http://firedoglake.com/2011/09/07/after-rick-perry-cut-fire-department-funding-by-75-texas-ravaged-by-wildfires/

:lulz: but the  :horrormirth: part is these fucktards don't give a fuck. They'll probably say Glod did it.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 08, 2011, 12:06:21 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 07, 2011, 11:22:35 PM
Aaah, Rick, Rick...

"Smaller government!  Smaller government!"

"Hey, I know how to cut government spending!  Let's cut fire department spending by 75%!  That's a GREAT idea!"

"Oh, fuck.  Wildfires.  People are PISSED.  Obama, HELP!!!"

http://firedoglake.com/2011/09/07/after-rick-perry-cut-fire-department-funding-by-75-texas-ravaged-by-wildfires/

Your wildfires bring all my boys to the yard,
And their funding,
It's better than yours,
Damn right it's better than yours,
I can teach you,
But I have to charge.
   \
(http://i.imgur.com/ny7Ua.jpg)
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 08, 2011, 12:27:26 AM
 :lulz: :mittens:

from Texas, no less.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 08, 2011, 12:29:04 AM
 :lulz:

You notice how earthquakes and hurricanes are God expressing his fury... but wildfires that leave thousands homeless aren't?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Phox on September 08, 2011, 12:31:13 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 08, 2011, 12:29:04 AM
:lulz:

You notice how earthquakes and hurricanes are God expressing his fury... but wildfires that leave thousands homeless aren't?
That's because hurricanes and earthquakes only happen to you sinful Yankees and smudgy people.

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 08, 2011, 12:33:26 AM
BUT THA LORD PROMISED THAT HE WOULDN'T FLUD THE EARTH ANYMORE HE'S GONNA USE FAR THIS TIME! ENDTIMESENDTIMESENDTIMES....
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Phox on September 08, 2011, 12:41:57 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 08, 2011, 12:33:26 AM
BUT THA LORD PROMISED THAT HE WOULDN'T FLUD THE EARTH ANYMORE HE'S GONNA USE FAR THIS TIME! ENDTIMESENDTIMESENDTIMES....
Yes, and when the sinful Yankees start burning along with the faithful in Texas (okay, so the sodomites in California burn too, but that's only because they were flaming to begin with...), THEN it will be the end times. For now, though it's just a horrible, horrible tragedy.  :sad:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 08, 2011, 02:59:57 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on September 08, 2011, 12:41:57 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 08, 2011, 12:33:26 AM
BUT THA LORD PROMISED THAT HE WOULDN'T FLUD THE EARTH ANYMORE HE'S GONNA USE FAR THIS TIME! ENDTIMESENDTIMESENDTIMES....
Yes, and when the sinful Yankees start burning along with the faithful in Texas (okay, so the sodomites in California burn too, but that's only because they were flaming to begin with...), THEN it will be the end times. For now, though it's just a horrible, horrible tragedy.  :sad:

To the best of my knowledge, the Montrose (http://pridehouston.org/events) isn't burning. You may be on to something.  :p
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 08, 2011, 03:14:31 AM
http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/152316/how_rick_perry_has_been_on_the_public_dole_his_whole_life/

:lulz:

QuoteInterestingly, even his tea-partyish hatred -- nay, loathing! -- of big government's intrusion into the lives of ordinary citizens turns out to be just another Perry Tale. In fact, there would be no Rick Perry without the steady "intrusion" of government into his life.



Local taxpayers in Haskell County put him through their public school system -- for free. He and his family were dry-land cotton farmers, and federal taxpayers helped support them with thousands of dollars in crop subsidies -- Perry personally took $80,000 in farm payments.



State and federal taxpayers financed his college education at Texas A&M, even giving him the extracurricular opportunity to be a cheerleader. Upon graduation, he spent four years on the federal payroll as an Air Force transport pilot who never did any combat duty.



Then, in 1984, Perry hit the mother lode of government pay by moving into elected office -- squatting there for 27 years and counting. In addition to getting regular paychecks from taxpayers for nearly three decades as a state representative, agriculture commissioner, lieutenant governor and governor, he also receives platinum-level health care coverage and a generous pension from the state, plus $10,000 a month for renting a luxury suburban home, a covey of political and personal aides and even a publicly paid subscription to Food & Wine magazine.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Da6s on September 08, 2011, 11:48:30 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 06, 2011, 11:34:21 PM
Ron Paul just kicked Perry in the balls...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20102135-503544.html

Shit's gonna get nasty.

(http://i.imgur.com/PMSBK.jpg)

From during commercial of the debate.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 08, 2011, 01:03:23 PM
I am actually almost regretting not having TV and missing the debate.  Could have been an epic drinking game, I suspect.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: AFK on September 08, 2011, 01:45:59 PM
Stupid debate was stupid and I feel stupid for watching the few stupid minutes of it that I stupidly watched.

I hope The American People vote one of those clowns in.

Let's just get this shit over with, bottom out, and see what happens next. 
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: the dreadful hours on September 08, 2011, 01:46:42 PM
silly you, there is no bottom.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: AFK on September 08, 2011, 01:47:50 PM
 :sad:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 08, 2011, 02:27:31 PM
Apparently the fact checkers are having a field day.

http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/fact-check-perry-romney-twist-records-debate-021556685.html?orig_host_hdr=news.yahoo.com&.intl=us&.lang=en-us
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 08, 2011, 02:47:15 PM
http://www.stiftungleostrauss.com/bunker/?p=5702

QuoteTonight's debate confirms Ed Rollins was right: it's a Perry Romney race. We've only had one direct lengthy conversation with Rollins (and it was earlier this year). We felt him, of course, as he was a big presence down in Texas during the Perot bubble. He should be relieved to be out of that seat.

Perry showed steadinesss and vacuity that will soothe his oligarchical backers. His 'social security is a ponzi scheme' a calculated gamble. We disagree with the talking heads that see Romney as the clear winner. Perry's dog whistles seismic. From South Carolina on we see Romney struggling – except possibly Florida.

Newt increasingly comes across as an aging hair metal band crashing a Gathering of the Juggalos. He seems content to suck up to everyone to maintain his perch as 'ideas' man. In his own mind, he probably has cast himself as Colonel House calling the shots in someone else's White House.

The fossilized nature of 'conservative thought' striking but irrelevant. All the issues pushed around are camouflage. Wisconsin, Ohio and New Jersey more realistic models for the cloaked oligarchical agenda. It's true enterprise zones were novel when Jack Kemp pushed them in the late 1970s/1980s. The Laffer Curve/supply side economics, too. If the Republican Party intended to be overt about its actual governing strategy the lack of intellectual innovation would be problematic. Now, it's only for rubes.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: LMNO on September 08, 2011, 07:56:33 PM
Who loves this Century?  I love this century.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2011/09/08/introducing_perry_s_rule_why_you_should_never_cite_galileo_to_su.html

QuoteDuring last night's Republican presidential debate, Texas Gov. Rick Perry defended his position as a climate change skeptic. When asked by Poiltico's John Harris to name a scientist whose work on manmade global warming has informed his thinking, Perry said:

QuoteWell, I do agree that there is—the science is—is not settled on this. The idea that we would put Americans' economy at—at—at jeopardy based on scientific theory that's not settled yet, to me, is just—is nonsense. I mean, it—I mean—and I tell somebody, I said, just because you have a group of scientists that have stood up and said here is the fact, Galileo got outvoted for a spell.

Let's leave aside the obvious problem, which is that in Galileo's case, science was "outvoted for a spell" by religious authorities who believed that the Bible was the final wold on the natural order. (That calls to mind Perry's stance on evolution, no?) I understand what he's trying to say, which is that ideological zealots are ignoring scientific evidence in favor of their own worldview. I disagree with it, but that's his argument.

Instead, I would like to propose a corollary to the Internet rule of Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies, which stipulates that the first person to cite Hitler in a Web debate automatically loses. Let's call this new beast the Perry's Rule: If you cite Galileo to support your claim of scientific persecution, you lose.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Juana on September 08, 2011, 09:22:48 PM
:lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: the last yatto on September 08, 2011, 10:51:07 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 22, 2011, 05:36:55 PM

Do you know whether, since the 2006 date of this article, anyone has shown that Perry was aware of the conflict between his stock ownership and his supposed values?

No different then say LDS not allowed caffine and owning stock in coke a cola
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 08, 2011, 11:56:58 PM
Heh.  "Perry's team desperately trying to spin their way out of Social Security debacle"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/08/1014690/-Perrys-team-desperately-trying-to-spin-their-way-out-of-Social-Security%C2%A0debacle?via=blog_1
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: the last yatto on September 09, 2011, 06:14:06 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on August 22, 2011, 07:04:07 PM
I think you need to frame the objection in terms of his hypocrisy, not his support for porn.

A lot of internet users won't get behind a movement which appears to shame somebody for liking porn.


If the target audience for the meme is the porn-hating right wing, you need to phrase it like it would come out of the mouths of one of his former supporters. More subtle. "RICK PERRY IS A PORN MONGER" sounds like a left wing polemic and will be quickly dismissed.



flyers for campaign donations that include texts that heavily suggests they will get a free dvd
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Telarus on September 09, 2011, 08:20:25 AM
Quote from: Da6s on September 08, 2011, 11:48:30 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 06, 2011, 11:34:21 PM
Ron Paul just kicked Perry in the balls...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20102135-503544.html

Shit's gonna get nasty.

(http://i.imgur.com/PMSBK.jpg)

From during commercial of the debate.


'Thirtyseven', the mind behind Skilluminati and other sites grabbed this immediately:

http://www.skilluminati.com/research/entry/rick_perry_vs_ron_paul_gop_body_language/

Who behaves like this in public with cameras rolling? Seriously.

(http://www.skilluminati.com/img/rick-perry-ron-paul-1.jpg)

Notice's Ron's location relative to the podium here...and in the next picture. Ron steps back about 2-3 feet to the side and is still trying to get Perry's hand off him...

(http://www.skilluminati.com/img/rick-perry-ron-paul-2.jpg)

...and then Huntsman arrives to break it up. Insanity. This should have been the focus of today's media coverage. Meltdown status: Reich Perry has mental issues that disqualify him from office.

(http://www.skilluminati.com/img/rick-perry-ron-paul-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Rumckle on September 09, 2011, 08:47:27 AM
Don't make me slap you with my pimpin' hand. Just ask my bisexual boys how it feels
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Quote from: Telarus on September 09, 2011, 08:20:25 AM
(http://www.skilluminati.com/img/rick-perry-ron-paul-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 09, 2011, 09:27:54 AM
You know what doesn't seem to be getting a lot of coverage?

How the crowd broke out in applause at Rick Perry's number of executions.  Media idiots still think Romney is leading the race.  Romney might get VP, to help with concerns about Perry's more populist declarations.  Huntsman will probably be bought off with State.  Michelle Bachmann will be offered the Department of Lunatic Ranting Where She Has Little Real Power, if she's lucky.  She's totally bombing, even compared to Romney.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: AFK on September 09, 2011, 01:07:34 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 09, 2011, 09:27:54 AM
You know what doesn't seem to be getting a lot of coverage?

How the crowd broke out in applause at Rick Perry's number of executions. 

THIS.  I mean, HOLY SHIT.  It wasn't just a polite bit of applause it was a fucking roar of applause. 
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 09, 2011, 01:14:12 PM
Quote from: The R-tist Sometimes Known as WHN on September 09, 2011, 01:07:34 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 09, 2011, 09:27:54 AM
You know what doesn't seem to be getting a lot of coverage?

How the crowd broke out in applause at Rick Perry's number of executions. 

THIS.  I mean, HOLY SHIT.  It wasn't just a polite bit of applause it was a fucking roar of applause. 

Ah, yes.  Pro-life, but if they step out of line, kill them!
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: AFK on September 09, 2011, 01:33:07 PM
The blood thirst in this country can be a bit unsettling at times. 
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Disco Pickle on September 09, 2011, 01:37:50 PM
You're not the only doctor in this debate, Paul
I was a proctologist before I was a Governor
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(http://i.imgur.com/PMSBK.jpg)

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Triple Zero on September 09, 2011, 03:32:49 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 08, 2011, 07:56:33 PM
Who loves this Century?  I love this century.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2011/09/08/introducing_perry_s_rule_why_you_should_never_cite_galileo_to_su.html

QuoteDuring last night's Republican presidential debate, Texas Gov. Rick Perry defended his position as a climate change skeptic. When asked by Poiltico's John Harris to name a scientist whose work on manmade global warming has informed his thinking, Perry said:

QuoteWell, I do agree that there is—the science is—is not settled on this. The idea that we would put Americans' economy at—at—at jeopardy based on scientific theory that's not settled yet, to me, is just—is nonsense. I mean, it—I mean—and I tell somebody, I said, just because you have a group of scientists that have stood up and said here is the fact, Galileo got outvoted for a spell.

Let's leave aside the obvious problem, which is that in Galileo's case, science was "outvoted for a spell" by religious authorities who believed that the Bible was the final wold on the natural order. (That calls to mind Perry's stance on evolution, no?) I understand what he's trying to say, which is that ideological zealots are ignoring scientific evidence in favor of their own worldview. I disagree with it, but that's his argument.

Instead, I would like to propose a corollary to the Internet rule of Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies, which stipulates that the first person to cite Hitler in a Web debate automatically loses. Let's call this new beast the Perry's Rule: If you cite Galileo to support your claim of scientific persecution, you lose.

There is no mention at all in Godwin's Law about "automatically losing", it just states

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1 (100%)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Instead, I would like to propose a corollary to Godwin's Law, if you cite Godwin's Law to support your claim of whatever, you lose. ;-)
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 09, 2011, 07:21:26 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 09, 2011, 03:32:49 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 08, 2011, 07:56:33 PM
Who loves this Century?  I love this century.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2011/09/08/introducing_perry_s_rule_why_you_should_never_cite_galileo_to_su.html

QuoteDuring last night's Republican presidential debate, Texas Gov. Rick Perry defended his position as a climate change skeptic. When asked by Poiltico's John Harris to name a scientist whose work on manmade global warming has informed his thinking, Perry said:

QuoteWell, I do agree that there is—the science is—is not settled on this. The idea that we would put Americans' economy at—at—at jeopardy based on scientific theory that's not settled yet, to me, is just—is nonsense. I mean, it—I mean—and I tell somebody, I said, just because you have a group of scientists that have stood up and said here is the fact, Galileo got outvoted for a spell.

Let's leave aside the obvious problem, which is that in Galileo's case, science was "outvoted for a spell" by religious authorities who believed that the Bible was the final wold on the natural order. (That calls to mind Perry's stance on evolution, no?) I understand what he's trying to say, which is that ideological zealots are ignoring scientific evidence in favor of their own worldview. I disagree with it, but that's his argument.

Instead, I would like to propose a corollary to the Internet rule of Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies, which stipulates that the first person to cite Hitler in a Web debate automatically loses. Let's call this new beast the Perry's Rule: If you cite Galileo to support your claim of scientific persecution, you lose.

There is no mention at all in Godwin's Law about "automatically losing", it just states

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1 (100%)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Instead, I would like to propose a corollary to Godwin's Law, if you cite Godwin's Law to support your claim of whatever, you lose. ;-)
[/quote

THIS.

Because too often these days, comparing things to Hitler and/or nazis and/or concentration camps is PERFECTLY RELEVANT.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on September 09, 2011, 10:47:48 PM
Quote from: The R-tist Sometimes Known as WHN on September 09, 2011, 01:07:34 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 09, 2011, 09:27:54 AM
You know what doesn't seem to be getting a lot of coverage?

How the crowd broke out in applause at Rick Perry's number of executions. 

THIS.  I mean, HOLY SHIT.  It wasn't just a polite bit of applause it was a fucking roar of applause. 

DINCHYALL KNOW THAT THE ONLY THING THE GUMMAMENT DOES WELL IS KILLIN' FOLKS AS DESERVES IT?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 10, 2011, 11:17:57 AM
Heh.  If you live in Texas, you have a better chance to be executed by Rick Perry than you do to die in an airplane crash.

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/663741/statistically%2C_you_have_a_better_chance_of_being_executed_by_rick_perry_than_dying_in_an_airplane_crash/#paragraph4
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Triple Zero on September 10, 2011, 11:21:25 AM
Quote from: Cain on September 09, 2011, 09:27:54 AM
Michelle Bachmann will be offered the Department of Lunatic Ranting Where She Has Little Real Power, if she's lucky.  She's totally bombing, even compared to Romney.

We totally need to get in on this!

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 13, 2011, 02:14:20 AM
Ooh, LOOK!  Rick Perry has a DIRECT LINE TO GAWD and can LIFT CURSES WIFF HIS PRAYERS!

QuoteJacobs claims that lands are cursed with violence because they were previously inhabited by Native Americans who "did blood sacrifice" and "were cannibals and they ate people."

Fortunately, Jacobs maintains, Texas Gov. Rick Perry's The Response prayer rally in Houston broke the curse and "the land is starting to rejoice, you see, because of that prayer."

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/jacobs-response-broke-curse-native-american-cannibals
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Juana on September 13, 2011, 02:31:20 AM
...I can't even come up with a response to that.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 13, 2011, 02:34:13 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 13, 2011, 02:31:20 AM
...I can't even come up with a response to that.

It's obvious!  He's a Holy High Priest Whotssis, so we HAVE to vote for him, since religion and politics are so intertwined in this country!

We must immediately form a cult around him, singing his praises and pointing out that HIS witchcraft is stronger than the American Indian witchcraft...
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 02:34:23 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 13, 2011, 02:31:20 AM
...I can't even come up with a response to that.

That's because you hate Baby Jesus, and make out with communists.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Juana on September 13, 2011, 02:36:56 AM
:lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 02:51:25 AM
Emote-worthy?

(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/perry.jpg)
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 02:57:04 AM
He used to go fishing with Dick Cheney, you know.

(http://evadlive.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/shooting-fish-in-a-barrel.jpeg)
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Don Coyote on September 13, 2011, 03:03:26 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 02:51:25 AM
Emote-worthy?

(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/perry.jpg)

YES

Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 02:57:04 AM
He used to go fishing with Dick Cheney, you know.

(http://evadlive.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/shooting-fish-in-a-barrel.jpeg)

Wait....people shoot fish....
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 03:04:37 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on September 13, 2011, 03:03:26 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 02:51:25 AM
Emote-worthy?

(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/perry.jpg)

YES

Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 02:57:04 AM
He used to go fishing with Dick Cheney, you know.

(http://evadlive.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/shooting-fish-in-a-barrel.jpeg)

Wait....people shoot fish....

"Texas".
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Phox on September 13, 2011, 03:09:47 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 02:34:23 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 13, 2011, 02:31:20 AM
...I can't even come up with a response to that.

That's because you hate Baby Jesus, and make out with communists.
IMMA COMMIE!!!!!!!  :fap:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 03:10:55 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on September 13, 2011, 03:09:47 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 02:34:23 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 13, 2011, 02:31:20 AM
...I can't even come up with a response to that.

That's because you hate Baby Jesus, and make out with communists.
IMMA COMMIE!!!!!!!  :fap:

THANK YOU, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!
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Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Triple Zero on September 13, 2011, 12:40:02 PM
xpost for Ric Perri WRATH

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7632/ricperri.jpg)
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 13, 2011, 12:42:55 PM
I'm thinking

- lots of "Ric Perri - NOT GAY" pictures
- uploading to reddit, digg etc
- angry group of "Perri" supporters on Facebook insisting he is not gay (naturally, made by us)
- ?????
- MEDIA COVERAGE!
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Igor on September 13, 2011, 01:52:29 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/irxY3.jpg)
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 13, 2011, 01:55:44 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 13, 2011, 12:42:55 PM
I'm thinking

- lots of "Ric Perri - NOT GAY" pictures
- uploading to reddit, digg etc
- angry group of "Perri" supporters on Facebook insisting he is not gay (naturally, made by us)
- ?????
- MEDIA COVERAGE!

THIS.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Triple Zero on September 13, 2011, 02:27:17 PM
Sounds like a plan, have another one!

(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/3451/rikperree.jpg)

mmm soft focus ...
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 02:39:10 PM
I'll pass on the "not gay" meme

for the same reason I'd pass on a "not a nigger" meme

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 02:39:39 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 02:39:10 PM
I'll pass on the "not gay" meme

for the same reason I'd pass on a "not a nigger" meme



You seriously don't see a difference, here?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 03:07:36 PM
I honestly truly just want people's race and sexuality to not be part of the discussion

Even though this image meme is obviously tongue in cheek, it's still bringing a particle to the foreground that I don't think belongs in politics

there are so much more valid, cutting, useful things to say about perry than trying to start a false flag rumor that he's gay

I don't want my enemies to experience homophobia either

it's all the lapel pin bullshit. It's superficial - smoke and mirrors. The more we talk about it, even when we satirize it, the more real it becomes, the more easy it is for it to become part of the discussion in the future.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 03:11:09 PM
It shares a vibe with the Christina O'Donnell episode last year... Remember how she apparently banged that random guy a few years ago, was awful in bed, and before the election, the guy went to a journalist and spilled his guts?

I hated Christina O'Donnell, but I don't think slut shaming her was in any way cool. Calling somebody a slut is vulgar, it's based on misogyny, and while yes, it made O'donnell look bad, it probably also deterred some women from getting into politics.

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Triple Zero on September 13, 2011, 03:37:12 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 02:39:10 PM
I'll pass on the "not gay" meme

for the same reason I'd pass on a "not a nigger" meme

Explain, cause this confuses me?

afaik, "Gay" is not a slur, like "Nigger". the difference is that "Nigger" is offensive in any context.

and second, it's because Rick Perree is being an intolerant prick towards gay people.

or, wait maybe I get it:

implying Rick Perry might be gay (by denying it strongly) is intended to get him (and his supporters) to get worked up about it, but a campaign for getting them worked up about it also confirms the idea that being gay or implying someone is gay is something to get worked up about, and therefore you don't like it.

is that about right?

I can sort of see it but it doesn't sit right.

cause I was having fun with it.

and also because I can't quite grasp the problem with pissing off a group of people by making them get all worked up about something they're bigots for getting worked up about over.

Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 03:07:36 PM
Even though this image meme is obviously tongue in cheek

MORE LIEK TONGUE-IN-BUTTCHEEK AMIRITE??? :lol:

QuoteI don't want my enemies to experience homophobia either

I don't really think they could possibly be any more homophobic than they already are, regardless what we do. If that wasn't the case, I'd grant you the point.
Neither do I expect them to experience any less homophobia whether I'd do this or not.

Quoteit's all the lapel pin bullshit. It's superficial - smoke and mirrors. The more we talk about it, even when we satirize it, the more real it becomes, the more easy it is for it to become part of the discussion in the future.

You think? I actually disagree with that, for the reason that topics that are collectively not talked about, are also collectively tolerated. But that's not really relevant here.

Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 03:11:09 PMIt shares a vibe with the Christina O'Donnell episode last year... Remember how she apparently banged that random guy a few years ago, was awful in bed, and before the election, the guy went to a journalist and spilled his guts?

I hated Christina O'Donnell, but I don't think slut shaming her was in any way cool. Calling somebody a slut is vulgar, it's based on misogyny, and while yes, it made O'donnell look bad,

Yeah I agree that wasn't cool.

Still was funny. I can find uncool things funny if they happen to really awful people.

Like that animated GIF of that woman that got a watermelon trebucheted in her face, not cool, very funny.

Quoteit probably also deterred some women from getting into politics.

so would this deter gays from getting into politics?

are gays even underrepresented in politics? well, openly gays, probably, yeah.


well, now I don't really feel like shooping RICK PERRY IS GAY pics anyway :(

[even though HE TOTALLY SECRETLY IS and obviously likes to take it up the pooper]







DICKSCLAIMER: The juvenile jokes in this post prevented 77 gays from "entering politics" (*), 9 women felt collaterally threatened and now choose raising kids over a career and no less than 21 traditional role-models are now reinforced with concrete and steel (dicks).






(* anally)
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: LMNO on September 13, 2011, 03:46:44 PM
I'm sort of on board with Cram, in the sense that I really like a lot of gay people, and I in no way want douchebags like Perry and Mr Bachmann associated with GLORIOUS FAGGOTRY.

They're just not fabulously awesome enough.

So, if we want to run with this, why don't we take it literally?  "Rick Perry is so not gay.  You can tell by his poor fashion sense, by the way he dances, and the fact that he's an utter shitbag."



"Being gay is cool.  Being Rick Perry isn't.  PERRY: NOT EVEN ONCE."
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 03:48:30 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 13, 2011, 03:37:12 PM
implying Rick Perry might be gay (by denying it strongly) is intended to get him (and his supporters) to get worked up about it, but a campaign for getting them worked up about it also confirms the idea that being gay or implying someone is gay is something to get worked up about, and therefore you don't like it.

yeah that's basically the gist of it
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Triple Zero on September 13, 2011, 04:00:18 PM
(re:LMNO) To be honest, I think that's probably slightly more dumb than the other thing.

I really had to bite my tongue last time you said something like "he can't be gay! he's not cool enough to be gay!" or something like that, I forget the context, maybe you remember. I didn't say anything because it wasn't worth getting into an argument about. Except now we're on the subject.

I know various types of gay people, all of wildly varying amounts of awesome and fabulosity. Same for straight people. Some of them are, in fact highly annoying, regardless of their sexual orientation.

And for the same reason why it's dumb to say "you're not cool enough to be straight" I go all :| when someone says someone's not fabulous enough to be gay.

Like it's an exclusive club you're trying to convince people they want to be part of (because everybody should want to be fabulous and awesome, right?). And that's the difference. At least Rick Perry supporters already are bigots and getting them worked up about false claims (arguably) doesn't create any additional prejudices.


Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 03:48:30 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 13, 2011, 03:37:12 PM
implying Rick Perry might be gay (by denying it strongly) is intended to get him (and his supporters) to get worked up about it, but a campaign for getting them worked up about it also confirms the idea that being gay or implying someone is gay is something to get worked up about, and therefore you don't like it.

yeah that's basically the gist of it

okay.

I hope you still enjoyed the dick jokes, though.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 04:03:50 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 03:07:36 PM
I honestly truly just want people's race and sexuality to not be part of the discussion

Even though this image meme is obviously tongue in cheek, it's still bringing a particle to the foreground that I don't think belongs in politics

there are so much more valid, cutting, useful things to say about perry than trying to start a false flag rumor that he's gay

I don't want my enemies to experience homophobia either

it's all the lapel pin bullshit. It's superficial - smoke and mirrors. The more we talk about it, even when we satirize it, the more real it becomes, the more easy it is for it to become part of the discussion in the future.


Here's the deal:  Rick Perry is the face of modern homophobia.  No, scratch that, he's the face of 1500s homophobia.   He is a dominionist, which is to say a "Christian Reconstructionist", and their view is that homosexuals should be killed.  By stoning.  I shit you not.

So, this little gag is designed to discredit him with his own political base, or even - as LBJ once said - just to make the bastard  deny it.

Obviously, this doesn't do a thing to harm Christian Reconstructionism itself, and yes, it's just treating a symptom.

But if it keeps that jackass out of office - or even helps - then there's 4 more years in which I won't have to worry about my daughter's fate at the hands of yahoos.

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 13, 2011, 04:10:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 04:03:50 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 03:07:36 PM
I honestly truly just want people's race and sexuality to not be part of the discussion

Even though this image meme is obviously tongue in cheek, it's still bringing a particle to the foreground that I don't think belongs in politics

there are so much more valid, cutting, useful things to say about perry than trying to start a false flag rumor that he's gay

I don't want my enemies to experience homophobia either

it's all the lapel pin bullshit. It's superficial - smoke and mirrors. The more we talk about it, even when we satirize it, the more real it becomes, the more easy it is for it to become part of the discussion in the future.


Here's the deal:  Rick Perry is the face of modern homophobia.  No, scratch that, he's the face of 1500s homophobia.   He is a dominionist, which is to say a "Christian Reconstructionist", and their view is that homosexuals should be killed.  By stoning.  I shit you not.

So, this little gag is designed to discredit him with his own political base, or even - as LBJ once said - just to make the bastard  deny it.

Obviously, this doesn't do a thing to harm Christian Reconstructionism itself, and yes, it's just treating a symptom.

But if it keeps that jackass out of office - or even helps - then there's 4 more years in which I won't have to worry about my daughter's fate at the hands of yahoos.



Maybe a different angle, then...  hit the "wants x% of Americans stoned to death" angle?  (Brainstorming, here...) 
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 04:12:00 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 13, 2011, 04:10:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 04:03:50 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 03:07:36 PM
I honestly truly just want people's race and sexuality to not be part of the discussion

Even though this image meme is obviously tongue in cheek, it's still bringing a particle to the foreground that I don't think belongs in politics

there are so much more valid, cutting, useful things to say about perry than trying to start a false flag rumor that he's gay

I don't want my enemies to experience homophobia either

it's all the lapel pin bullshit. It's superficial - smoke and mirrors. The more we talk about it, even when we satirize it, the more real it becomes, the more easy it is for it to become part of the discussion in the future.


Here's the deal:  Rick Perry is the face of modern homophobia.  No, scratch that, he's the face of 1500s homophobia.   He is a dominionist, which is to say a "Christian Reconstructionist", and their view is that homosexuals should be killed.  By stoning.  I shit you not.

So, this little gag is designed to discredit him with his own political base, or even - as LBJ once said - just to make the bastard  deny it.

Obviously, this doesn't do a thing to harm Christian Reconstructionism itself, and yes, it's just treating a symptom.

But if it keeps that jackass out of office - or even helps - then there's 4 more years in which I won't have to worry about my daughter's fate at the hands of yahoos.



Maybe a different angle, then...  hit the "wants x% of Americans stoned to death" angle?  (Brainstorming, here...) 


No, because his base approves of that, and 90% of the middle is still convinced shit like that can't happen here.

But what the hell do I know?  Let's let political correctness prevent any assistance to stopping an actual bigoted monster.

FFS.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 04:16:27 PM
TRUST ME AND MY "PRAYER WARRIORS".  WHAT'S THE WORST THAT CAN HAPPEN?
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Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 04:17:19 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 04:12:00 PM
But what the hell do I know?  Let's let political correctness prevent any assistance to stopping an actual bigoted monster.

FFS.

But what the hell do I know? Let's get the bigots biggoting to prevent bigotry.

FFS
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: East Coast Hustle on September 13, 2011, 04:17:44 PM
this is retarded. The slightest chance of negatively influencing Rick Perry's nearly-assured impending presidency is WAY THE FUCK WORTH possibly maybe crossing the line into some tounge-in-cheek bigotry.

Means and ends, people.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: East Coast Hustle on September 13, 2011, 04:19:31 PM
Or, put another way, when he becomes High Imperator and makes homosexuality an ACTUAL FUCKING CRIME, I hope you'll feel awesome about yourself that you took such a principled stand against bigotry.

ITT, a textbook example of why the American left is completely ineffectual and deserves the constant shitting-on that it gets.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Triple Zero on September 13, 2011, 04:20:41 PM
So i'm going to go to the supermarket and buy some eggs which I would have wanted to have for lunch today if I hadn't been spending 3 hours photoshopping Rick Perrry and arguing in this thread and another few hours doing godknowswhat because I wanted to give you guys more wrath or asshattery or stupid fun.
i could have been eating lunch, or perhaps programming a Restricted Boltzmann Machine. btu I got distracted. It's nobody's fault but mine btw, I know that because it goes like this every day.

anyway I think I'm going to buy eggs and try and make one of those 3 minute chocolate cake in a coffee mug things now.

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on September 13, 2011, 04:21:52 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on September 13, 2011, 04:17:44 PM
this is retarded. The slightest chance of negatively influencing Rick Perry's nearly-assured impending presidency is WAY THE FUCK WORTH possibly maybe crossing the line into some tounge-in-cheek bigotry.

Means and ends, people.


Unless someone is willing to step up to the top of a building with a rifle.......  

I would rather have (you better sit down for this one) Palin as president than Perry.  At least she is upfront with her craziness, Perry is a religious fanatic.  You can't reason with people who think they are doing the work of god.  
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 04:24:01 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 04:17:19 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 04:12:00 PM
But what the hell do I know?  Let's let political correctness prevent any assistance to stopping an actual bigoted monster.

FFS.

But what the hell do I know? Let's get the bigots biggoting to prevent bigotry.

FFS

Let's allow a monster into office to demonstrate our moral superiority.  Then we can all wring our hands and say how rotten it is, the way they're fucking up Gays.  We can all moan about a new crop of Matthew Shepards, but at least we didn't call Rick Perry Gay.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 04:24:18 PM
I'm not trying to prevent you cats from doing your thing. I just wanted to voice my opinion why I think it's a poor way of raising awareness. I mean, you could call him a nigger lover or nigger hater, that would also have a slight chance of negatively influencing Rick Perry, but I can't stand with a group of people shouting shit like that.

Anyway, I think I've made my point -- carry on with the shenanigans.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 04:25:52 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 04:24:18 PM
I'm not trying to prevent you cats from doing your thing. I just wanted to voice my opinion why I think it's a poor way of raising awareness.

It isn't raising awareness.  It's a smear campaign.

Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 04:24:18 PM
Anyway, I think I've made my point

Yeah, I can agree with that statement.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: East Coast Hustle on September 13, 2011, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 04:24:18 PM
I'm not trying to prevent you cats from doing your thing. I just wanted to voice my opinion why I think it's a poor way of raising awareness. I mean, you could call him a nigger lover or nigger hater, that would also have a slight chance of negatively influencing Rick Perry, but I can't stand with a group of people shouting shit like that.

Anyway, I think I've made my point -- carry on with the shenanigans.

I'm neither black nor gay and I'm still having trouble not taking some offense at your equivocation of the two terms. I know you don't mean offense by it, but it's still offensive.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on September 13, 2011, 04:31:30 PM
If we don't grind this Perry fucker into the ground, we are fucked as a country.  We will end up a good 50 years backwards socially.  

Not only do I think homosexuality will be made illegal, I have to wonder who he'll send to the back of the bus.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: LMNO on September 13, 2011, 04:43:24 PM
I should mention that I do think those pics do make me laugh.


And I suppose I could reframe it in the sense that no one should be bothered by an accusation of homosexuality, so seeing him get all worked up by it underlines the "no big deal" part.

So yeah, I withdraw my objections.


LMNO
-rationalizing his way out of corners since 1987.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 04:47:57 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 13, 2011, 04:43:24 PM
I should mention that I do think those pics do make me laugh.


And I suppose I could reframe it in the sense that no one should be bothered by an accusation of homosexuality, so seeing him get all worked up by it underlines the "no big deal" part.

So yeah, I withdraw my objections.


LMNO
-rationalizing his way out of corners since 1987.

He's already reacting to other groups, incidentally:

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/2012-presidential-election/perry-takes-pointed-questions-social-conservatives/
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: East Coast Hustle on September 13, 2011, 05:10:30 PM
Quoted in case anyone missed it, because I think it's an important point:

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on September 13, 2011, 04:19:31 PM

ITT, a textbook example of why the American left is completely ineffectual and deserves the constant shitting-on that it gets.

this isn't the 60s and nobody here is Gandhi or MLK. If you can't play the game the way it IS played instead of as how you THINK it SHOULD be played, well, you're gonna lose every time.

Moral high ground these days is just a nice fat thumb for losers to suck on.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on September 13, 2011, 05:10:30 PM
Quoted in case anyone missed it, because I think it's an important point:

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on September 13, 2011, 04:19:31 PM

ITT, a textbook example of why the American left is completely ineffectual and deserves the constant shitting-on that it gets.

this isn't the 60s and nobody here is Gandhi or MLK. If you can't play the game the way it IS played instead of as how you THINK it SHOULD be played, well, you're gonna lose every time.

Moral high ground these days is just a nice fat thumb for losers to suck on.

I couldn't agree more.  Pragmatism > shiny clean hands, and has been since about 1979.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 05:25:23 PM
I'm sure you cats have some values or principles that you wouldn't violate for political ends. If not, why aren't you gunning down the opposition?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on September 13, 2011, 05:26:11 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 05:25:23 PM
I'm sure you cats have some values or principles that you wouldn't violate for political ends. If not, why aren't you gunning down the opposition?

Literally or figuratively?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 05:27:29 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 05:25:23 PM
I'm sure you cats have some values or principles that you wouldn't violate for political ends. If not, why aren't you gunning down the opposition?

Of course there are.  However, there are few political means I will not use to preserve those values and principles.  There is a subtle, but very important distinction there.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 05:42:01 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 05:27:29 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 05:25:23 PM
I'm sure you cats have some values or principles that you wouldn't violate for political ends. If not, why aren't you gunning down the opposition?

Of course there are.  However, there are few political means I will not use to preserve those values and principles.  There is a subtle, but very important distinction there.

That's a really strong point, thank you.

I still don't share your commitment to Sparkle Motion, but I can respect needing to break a few eggs to make a horrible American omelet.

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 05:43:10 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 05:42:01 PM
I still don't share your commitment to Sparkle Motion,

Few people do.   :lol:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 13, 2011, 05:47:13 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 13, 2011, 05:25:23 PM
I'm sure you cats have some values or principles that you wouldn't violate for political ends. If not, why aren't you gunning down the opposition?

Because it wouldn't work.

I believe in winning, as a rule.

There are two basic approaches to politics.  There is the Continental Op (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Harvest) approach, and there is the Mr Smith approach.

The Mr Smith approach is useful.  You want approchable, likeable, mostly clean politicians.  But occasionally, you need people who are willing to play the game the same way the opposition do, only smarter and dirtier.  Especially when that opposition is as dirty as the Republicans.  I don't need to go into a long list of what is wrong with the Republicans here (I also believe many of those problems apply to the Democrats, incidentally), but the fact is, based on what I know, from reading internal memos of the Republican party, watching how they run House and Senate committees etc, they will use almost any legal or legislative means at their exposure to fuck their enemies up, even if it ends up harming the country as a whole as a result.

Thus, sometimes, you need to get back at them in such a way that they cannot fight back, that they do not have options and that they are utterly screwed.

People are going to look down on this, as a rule.  It chafes against our natural sense of fairness, decency and good intentions.  But sometimes it is necessary regardless.

The Democrats, as a rule, cannot plot their way out of a wet paper bag.  They also require a substansial purge in their membership and certain organizations within the party.  But at the same time, they're going to be convinced they need to tilt hard and to the right so long as the Republicans continue to play to their crazy base, instead of stabbing each other in the back over ridiculous allegations and giving credence to ridiculous allegations and so on and so forth.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 13, 2011, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 04:47:57 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 13, 2011, 04:43:24 PM
I should mention that I do think those pics do make me laugh.


And I suppose I could reframe it in the sense that no one should be bothered by an accusation of homosexuality, so seeing him get all worked up by it underlines the "no big deal" part.

So yeah, I withdraw my objections.


LMNO
-rationalizing his way out of corners since 1987.

He's already reacting to other groups, incidentally:

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/2012-presidential-election/perry-takes-pointed-questions-social-conservatives/

The misogynist fetus zealots names their group after SUSAN B. ANTHONY?  :x :vom:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: PopeTom on September 13, 2011, 06:17:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 13, 2011, 03:46:44 PM
I'm sort of on board with Cram, in the sense that I really like a lot of gay people, and I in no way want douchebags like Perry and Mr Bachmann associated with GLORIOUS FAGGOTRY.

They're just not fabulously awesome enough.

So, if we want to run with this, why don't we take it literally?  "Rick Perry is so not gay.  You can tell by his poor fashion sense, by the way he dances, and the fact that he's an utter shitbag."



"Being gay is cool.  Being Rick Perry isn't.  PERRY: NOT EVEN ONCE."

As a man with a shitbag I feel the need to speak up.
I would never compare my shitbag to Rick Perry. 
My shitbag serves a useful purpose.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 06:20:07 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on September 13, 2011, 06:17:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 13, 2011, 03:46:44 PM
I'm sort of on board with Cram, in the sense that I really like a lot of gay people, and I in no way want douchebags like Perry and Mr Bachmann associated with GLORIOUS FAGGOTRY.

They're just not fabulously awesome enough.

So, if we want to run with this, why don't we take it literally?  "Rick Perry is so not gay.  You can tell by his poor fashion sense, by the way he dances, and the fact that he's an utter shitbag."



"Being gay is cool.  Being Rick Perry isn't.  PERRY: NOT EVEN ONCE."

As a man with a shitbag I feel the need to speak up.
I would never compare my shitbag to Rick Perry. 
My shitbag serves a useful purpose.


Two useful purposes.

You're never without a condom.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 13, 2011, 06:22:34 PM
Here. Change the title to "NOT GAY PERRY", womp his head on the girl kitty, and put 'em both in fetish outfts.

Stella

Has been living in the train wreck of his "governing" since 2002 and doesn't give a fuck what it takes to make that piece of shit go away.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_lnA6vHCA5Ow/TBIINgLt_aI/AAAAAAAAAXI/AmCm731sWv8/s1600/5135XE2WTDL._SS500_.jpg)
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: PopeTom on September 13, 2011, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 06:20:07 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on September 13, 2011, 06:17:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 13, 2011, 03:46:44 PM
I'm sort of on board with Cram, in the sense that I really like a lot of gay people, and I in no way want douchebags like Perry and Mr Bachmann associated with GLORIOUS FAGGOTRY.

They're just not fabulously awesome enough.

So, if we want to run with this, why don't we take it literally?  "Rick Perry is so not gay.  You can tell by his poor fashion sense, by the way he dances, and the fact that he's an utter shitbag."



"Being gay is cool.  Being Rick Perry isn't.  PERRY: NOT EVEN ONCE."

As a man with a shitbag I feel the need to speak up.
I would never compare my shitbag to Rick Perry. 
My shitbag serves a useful purpose.


Two useful purposes.

You're never without a condom.

And here I was all this time using the condom in my wallet as an emergency shitbag.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 06:30:22 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on September 13, 2011, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 06:20:07 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on September 13, 2011, 06:17:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 13, 2011, 03:46:44 PM
I'm sort of on board with Cram, in the sense that I really like a lot of gay people, and I in no way want douchebags like Perry and Mr Bachmann associated with GLORIOUS FAGGOTRY.

They're just not fabulously awesome enough.

So, if we want to run with this, why don't we take it literally?  "Rick Perry is so not gay.  You can tell by his poor fashion sense, by the way he dances, and the fact that he's an utter shitbag."



"Being gay is cool.  Being Rick Perry isn't.  PERRY: NOT EVEN ONCE."

As a man with a shitbag I feel the need to speak up.
I would never compare my shitbag to Rick Perry. 
My shitbag serves a useful purpose.


Two useful purposes.

You're never without a condom.

And here I was all this time using the condom in my wallet as an emergency shitbag.

:lol:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: PopeTom on September 13, 2011, 06:31:01 PM
Though I will question why just stick to the term 'gay'.

Why not a whole campaign based around a picture or Rick Perry and a 'Not <derogatory slur>'
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 06:32:55 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on September 13, 2011, 06:31:01 PM
Though I will question why just stick to the term 'gay'.

Why not a whole campaign based around a picture or Rick Perry and a 'Not <derogatory slur>'

Yeah, we just went through this entire conversation.

In the last 2-3 pages.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: PopeTom on September 13, 2011, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 06:32:55 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on September 13, 2011, 06:31:01 PM
Though I will question why just stick to the term 'gay'.

Why not a whole campaign based around a picture or Rick Perry and a 'Not <derogatory slur>'

Yeah, we just went through this entire conversation.

In the last 2-3 pages.

I looked more like people disagreeing with the meme by using other derogatory terms as an example.
Not actually in favor of just throwing it all into the gristmill.

Rick Perry: Not a monkey
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 06:40:23 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on September 13, 2011, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2011, 06:32:55 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on September 13, 2011, 06:31:01 PM
Though I will question why just stick to the term 'gay'.

Why not a whole campaign based around a picture or Rick Perry and a 'Not <derogatory slur>'

Yeah, we just went through this entire conversation.

In the last 2-3 pages.

I looked more like people disagreeing with the meme by using other derogatory terms as an example.
Not actually in favor of just throwing it all into the gristmill.

Rick Perry: Not a monkey

Then you missed the bit about Perry being the face of homophobia today, which is the whole point of the exercise?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Telarus on September 14, 2011, 02:51:06 AM
Oooh, this thread's got some teeth. I ran into an interesting synchronicity recently. I had been reading the Bachmann GASM thread, and this, and then I ran in to these two articles (relevant bits quoted, but I probably missed some, and they're pretty good pieces):



http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/how-the-apocalyptic-gop-is-dragging-us-into-a-civil-war-20110907

QuoteI'm probably late in seeing it, but Lofgren's piece [2nd link, below -Tel] raises fascinating and terrifying questions about the future of our political system and the increasing possibility that we are headed toward something like a civil war, or a constitutional crisis.
...
Bush and Rove were willing to sacrifice Iraqi lives, and the lives of American servicemen, for oil and votes. But this current crew of Republicans shook canisters of kerosene over the entire American population and threatened to light a match if it didn't get what it wanted.

As Lofgren notes, this was insurrectionary, revolutionary behavior. Only the massive scale of the gambit prevented it from being easily identified as terrorism and criminal blackmail. If in exchange for not defaulting on our debt Boehner, Hensarling, Cantor and the rest of them had asked for a billion dollars worth of gold bullion deposited in Swiss bank accounts, or the release of a dozen Baader-Meinhofs from German prisons, it could hardly have been much different from what they actually did.
...
But for the new GOP, compromise of any kind defeats their central purpose, which is political totale krieg. This party's entire reason for being is conflict and aggression. There is no underlying patriotic instinct to find middle ground with the rest of us, because the party doesn't have a vision for society that includes anyone outside the tent.

I've always been queasy about piling on against the Republicans because it's intellectually too easy; I also worry a lot that the habit pundits have of choosing sides and simply beating on the other party contributes to the extremist tone of the culture war.

But the time is coming when we are all going to be forced to literally take sides in a political conflict far more serious and extreme than we're used to imagining. The situation is such a tinderbox now that all it will take is some prominent politician to openly acknowledge the fact of a cultural/civil war for the real craziness to begin. [Emphasis mine. -Tel]

Reading Lofgren's piece, and a piece by John Judis of the New Republic, makes one realize that we came pretty close to real chaos in that debt ceiling debate. Had Obama invoked emergency powers to raise the debt limit unilaterally – and I think he had good reasons to do that – we might have had a revolt on our hands.

Most people aren't thinking about this because we're so accustomed to thinking of America as a stable, conservative place where politics is not a life-or-death affair but more something that people like to argue about over dinner, as entertainment almost. But it's headed in another, more twisted direction. I'm beginning to wonder if this election season is going to be one none of us ever forget – a 1968 on crack. Anyway, I hope I'm wrong, and I hope everyone reads this Lofgren piece, which is a rare piece of insider insight.



http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

QuoteBoth parties are rotten - how could they not be, given the complete infestation of the political system by corporate money on a scale that now requires a presidential candidate to raise upwards of a billion dollars to be competitive in the general election? Both parties are captives to corporate loot. The main reason the Democrats' health care bill will be a budget buster once it fully phases in is the Democrats' rank capitulation to corporate interests - no single-payer system, in order to mollify the insurers; and no negotiation of drug prices, a craven surrender to Big Pharma.

But both parties are not rotten in quite the same way. The Democrats have their share of machine politicians, careerists, corporate bagmen, egomaniacs and kooks. Nothing, however, quite matches the modern GOP.

To those millions of Americans who have finally begun paying attention to politics and watched with exasperation the tragicomedy of the debt ceiling extension, it may have come as a shock that the Republican Party is so full of lunatics. To be sure, the party, like any political party on earth, has always had its share of crackpots, like Robert K. Dornan or William E. Dannemeyer. But the crackpot outliers of two decades ago have become the vital center today: Steve King, Michele Bachman (now a leading presidential candidate as well), Paul Broun, Patrick McHenry, Virginia Foxx, Louie Gohmert, Allen West. The Congressional directory now reads like a casebook of lunacy.

It was this cast of characters and the pernicious ideas they represent that impelled me to end a nearly 30-year career as a professional staff member on Capitol Hill. A couple of months ago, I retired; but I could see as early as last November that the Republican Party would use the debt limit vote, an otherwise routine legislative procedure that has been used 87 times since the end of World War II, in order to concoct an entirely artificial fiscal crisis. Then, they would use that fiscal crisis to get what they wanted, by literally holding the US and global economies as hostages.

The debt ceiling extension is not the only example of this sort of political terrorism. Republicans were willing to lay off 4,000 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) employees, 70,000 private construction workers and let FAA safety inspectors work without pay, in fact, forcing them to pay for their own work-related travel - how prudent is that? - in order to strong arm some union-busting provisions into the FAA reauthorization.

Everyone knows that in a hostage situation, the reckless and amoral actor has the negotiating upper hand over the cautious and responsible actor because the latter is actually concerned about the life of the hostage, while the former does not care. This fact, which ought to be obvious, has nevertheless caused confusion among the professional pundit class, which is mostly still stuck in the Bob Dole era in terms of its orientation. For instance, Ezra Klein wrote of his puzzlement over the fact that while House Republicans essentially won the debt ceiling fight, enough of them were sufficiently dissatisfied that they might still scuttle the deal. Of course they might - the attitude of many freshman Republicans to national default was "bring it on!"

It should have been evident to clear-eyed observers that the Republican Party is becoming less and less like a traditional political party in a representative democracy and becoming more like an apocalyptic cult, or one of the intensely ideological authoritarian parties of 20th century Europe. This trend has several implications, none of them pleasant.
...
As Hannah Arendt observed, a disciplined minority of totalitarians can use the instruments of democratic government to undermine democracy itself.
...
A couple of years ago, a Republican committee staff director told me candidly (and proudly) what the method was to all this obstruction and disruption. Should Republicans succeed in obstructing the Senate from doing its job, it would further lower Congress's generic favorability rating among the American people. By sabotaging the reputation of an institution of government, the party that is programmatically against government would come out the relative winner.

A deeply cynical tactic, to be sure, but a psychologically insightful one that plays on the weaknesses both of the voting public and the news media. There are tens of millions of low-information voters who hardly know which party controls which branch of government, let alone which party is pursuing a particular legislative tactic. These voters' confusion over who did what allows them to form the conclusion that "they are all crooks," and that "government is no good," further leading them to think, "a plague on both your houses" and "the parties are like two kids in a school yard." This ill-informed public cynicism, in its turn, further intensifies the long-term decline in public trust in government that has been taking place since the early 1960s - a distrust that has been stoked by Republican rhetoric at every turn ("Government is the problem," declared Ronald Reagan in 1980).

The media are also complicit in this phenomenon. Ever since the bifurcation of electronic media into a more or less respectable "hard news" segment and a rabidly ideological talk radio and cable TV political propaganda arm, the "respectable" media have been terrified of any criticism for perceived bias. Hence, they hew to the practice of false evenhandedness. Paul Krugman has skewered this tactic as being the "centrist cop-out." "I joked long ago," he says, "that if one party declared that the earth was flat, the headlines would read 'Views Differ on Shape of Planet.'"



So, how can we use this info?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 14, 2011, 11:18:01 AM
I don't think there is much that can be done with it.  An economic civil war is more rationally efficient than the more traditional type, but that's about all that can be said in favour of it.

The problems are, in order of most pressing to least, education, a huge religious constituency and plutonomic interests using to get their own way.  Those problems are way too big for any individual, or even small group to tackle.  They could be reversed, but only with decades of effort, which naturally wont happen with one party threatening to destroy the country every few months.

Taibbi said it perfectly:

QuoteBut for the new GOP, compromise of any kind defeats their central purpose, which is political totale krieg. This party's entire reason for being is conflict and aggression. There is no underlying patriotic instinct to find middle ground with the rest of us, because the party doesn't have a vision for society that includes anyone outside the tent.

This is the kind of thing Stop the Spirit of Zossen (written by an anonymous, well-connected, foreign policy-orientated Republican) has been saying for years now.  He said, basically, the worst nightmares of Glenn Greenwald, the Daily Kos crowd, Digby etc are all pretty much dead on.  The Republicans are a political death-cult, worshipping Macht above all.  They've imported reactionary thinking, European thinking opposed to the spirit of 1789, in their attacks on Liberalism, and in doing so they're undermining the entire liberal tradition (of course, theoretically, the Republicans are liberal conservatives, historically.  Now, definitely not).  They're not playing for usual political goals, by usual political means.  They're aimed at total, existential war with everyone who disagrees with them and is not part of the Movement, and as such will use any and all obstructive, legislative and media means to destroy their opponents.

Dems and media types are flailing around and failing precisely because they do not understand this and continue to treat the Republicans as just another party, acting by normal democratic rules.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 14, 2011, 02:52:41 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 14, 2011, 11:18:01 AM
I don't think there is much that can be done with it.  An economic civil war is more rationally efficient than the more traditional type, but that's about all that can be said in favour of it.

The problems are, in order of most pressing to least, education, a huge religious constituency and plutonomic interests using to get their own way.  Those problems are way too big for any individual, or even small group to tackle.  They could be reversed, but only with decades of effort, which naturally wont happen with one party threatening to destroy the country every few months.

Taibbi said it perfectly:

QuoteBut for the new GOP, compromise of any kind defeats their central purpose, which is political totale krieg. This party's entire reason for being is conflict and aggression. There is no underlying patriotic instinct to find middle ground with the rest of us, because the party doesn't have a vision for society that includes anyone outside the tent.

This is the kind of thing Stop the Spirit of Zossen (written by an anonymous, well-connected, foreign policy-orientated Republican) has been saying for years now.  He said, basically, the worst nightmares of Glenn Greenwald, the Daily Kos crowd, Digby etc are all pretty much dead on.  The Republicans are a political death-cult, worshipping Macht above all.  They've imported reactionary thinking, European thinking opposed to the spirit of 1789, in their attacks on Liberalism, and in doing so they're undermining the entire liberal tradition (of course, theoretically, the Republicans are liberal conservatives, historically.  Now, definitely not).  They're not playing for usual political goals, by usual political means.  They're aimed at total, existential war with everyone who disagrees with them and is not part of the Movement, and as such will use any and all obstructive, legislative and media means to destroy their opponents.

Dems and media types are flailing around and failing precisely because they do not understand this and continue to treat the Republicans as just another party, acting by normal democratic rules.

Nazis.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: deadfong on September 15, 2011, 01:39:15 AM
Quote from: Cain on September 14, 2011, 11:18:01 AM
Dems and media types are flailing around and failing precisely because they do not understand this and continue to treat the Republicans as just another party, acting by normal democratic rules.

This is so  :horrormirth:

I'm beginning to think there has to be some kind of willful blindness going on within the Democratic party and the media, because the Republican all-or-nothing (literally nothing, if we don't get our way, we're burning all of it to the fucking ground) strategy has been obvious for months.

What I can't understand is, if it is willful blindness, why are they doing it?  How do they benefit from deliberately ignoring that their "colleagues across the aisle" are all unmasked sociopaths?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 15, 2011, 02:19:20 AM
Because they're working for the same interests. It's a farce, you know that.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on September 16, 2011, 09:29:55 PM
http://www.bigamistsforperry.com/p/who-are-we.html

I am 75% sure this was created by a group of Discordians in Arkansas.  :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2011, 09:30:15 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 16, 2011, 09:29:55 PM
http://www.bigamistsforperry.com/p/who-are-we.html

I am 75% sure this was created by a group of Discordians in Arkansas.  :lulz: :lulz:

:spittake:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on September 16, 2011, 09:51:23 PM
In other news... I've been meditating on this "gay perry" issue for a while now.

Recently, in political discussions, I've been advocating somebody (like Elizabeth Warren, Al Gore, whatever), and somebody points out some minor character flaw or some reason to be uncertain about that person's character. And my response to that has been --- "so"? I'm not waiting for the purehearted messiah to walk barefoot through the crowd and transform all of us. There is no political messiah who will sound the clarion call and transcend the partisan divide. We have to accept that the change we want will come from a cloudy, controversial figure.

If I don't hold people up to those standards of purity, why am I more picky about ideas?

and there are a million reasons.

But I've come around on this one. I think that Rick Perry sucks, and I'm okay with people taking shots at him, even if it partially accelerates the homophobic vibe already present in his constituency.

In this case I think the difference is that we're not aiming to create a homophobic discussion within our own "team".. we're creating the drama in already choppy waters. Capitalizing on other people's biases. I still think its murky, but I'm glad that people give a shit.

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2011, 11:04:37 PM
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/Story.jpg)
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 16, 2011, 11:36:23 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on September 13, 2011, 06:31:01 PM
Though I will question why just stick to the term 'gay'.

Why not a whole campaign based around a picture or Rick Perry and a 'Not <derogatory slur>'

I didn't read the last couple of pages either, but just to hazard a guess, perhaps because A. "Gay" is not a derogatory slur, B. Rick Perry doesn't base his politicking around the effort to deny other <derogatory slur> groups equal rights, C. Perry could not plausibly be construed to be, say, a closeted black person or Mexican, and D. while overt racism is highly unlikely to be concealing secret blackness, overt homophobia is highly likely to be concealing secret homosexuality.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 16, 2011, 11:47:45 PM
Rick Perry could suckstart a Harley. Look at him.

That is all.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Juana on September 17, 2011, 12:59:43 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2011, 11:04:37 PM
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/Story.jpg)
:lulz: That's fucking perfect, Dok.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on September 17, 2011, 03:53:50 AM
Did anyone hit up the fact he's a shill to Merck ITT yet?  Forgive me for not ploughing throgh the last 20 pages or so for cock and repost.  Heard today on NPR about how Bachmann accused him of shillery for the Rx companies since he instituted his now defunct edict/executive order that all young females in his state must get the HPV anitviral shot.  It was forthwith stayed/dustbinned by his colleagues in the upper eschelons of the judiciary of TEX-ASS...so thoroughly it was unvetoable once it got to legislature as a did-done-deal.

Veddy veddy interesting to see how this will play out with the Conservatardation.

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 17, 2011, 04:10:24 AM
Quote from: Jenne on September 17, 2011, 03:53:50 AM
Did anyone hit up the fact he's a shill to Merck ITT yet?  Forgive me for not ploughing throgh the last 20 pages or so for cock and repost.  Heard today on NPR about how Bachmann accused him of shillery for the Rx companies since he instituted his now defunct edict/executive order that all young females in his state must get the HPV anitviral shot.  It was forthwith stayed/dustbinned by his colleagues in the upper eschelons of the judiciary of TEX-ASS...so thoroughly it was unvetoable once it got to legislature as a did-done-deal.

Veddy veddy interesting to see how this will play out with the Conservatardation.



Oh holy shit.

This information brings me to a bit of mixed feelings, because conservatives in my region have previously tried to deny/delay administration of the critical HPV vaccination, and this makes it sound as if he was a strong proponent, which is incredibly contrary to his conservative image. If Bachmann is against him in this area, I do not want to side with her because he is exhibiting life saving realism.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on September 17, 2011, 04:13:29 AM
Oh he opened up a WHOLE fucking can o' worms.

I got a warm, gushy feeling inside hearing this.  I did indeedie.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on September 17, 2011, 04:14:16 AM
IIRC, Perry ended up totally backpeddling on this, and no one received a single HPV shot under this program before it was canceled.  I'll do some googling later and try to find where I read that.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on September 17, 2011, 04:16:03 AM
Oh the whole thing got tanked between the judiciary and the legislature in TX.  But the fact he fucking came out the other night STILL FOR IT and claimed the folks in question only gave HIM $5K...and if he's a shill for $5K he's..."offended." 


BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

anyway...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/perry-has-deep-financial-ties-to-maker-of-hpv-vaccine/2011/09/13/gIQAVKKqPK_story.html
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: East Coast Hustle on September 17, 2011, 04:42:14 AM
yeah, I hate to say it but I totally agree with him about making that a mandatory vaccination.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Kurt Christ on September 17, 2011, 04:53:42 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on September 17, 2011, 04:42:14 AM
yeah, I hate to say it but I totally agree with him about making that a mandatory vaccination.
Absolutely. I find it kind of awkward that one of his positions most likely to keep him out of office is the only one I can agree with.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on September 17, 2011, 05:15:50 AM
State of VA and DC are the only other places who've made it mandatory.  Interestingly enough.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 17, 2011, 11:21:07 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on September 17, 2011, 04:42:14 AM
yeah, I hate to say it but I totally agree with him about making that a mandatory vaccination.

Agreed...  Hell, even a broken clock, right?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 17, 2011, 11:21:31 AM
He used to be a dem. He campaigned for Al Gore.

He just goes wherever he thinks the money is.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 17, 2011, 01:11:10 PM
QuoteBACHMANN: What I'm saying is that it's wrong for a drug company, because the governor's former chief of staff was the chief lobbyist for this drug company. The drug company gave thousands of dollars in political donations to the governor, and this is just flat-out wrong. The question is, is it about life, or was it about millions of dollars and potentially billions for a drug company?

BLITZER: All right. I'll let Senator Santorum hold off for a second.

You've got to response to that.

PERRY: Yes, sir. The company was Merck, and it was a $5,000 contribution that I had received from them. I raise about $30 million. And if you're saying that I can be bought for $5,000, I'm offended.

:spittake:

Follow-up Question from Luna:  "Senator Perry...  How much CAN you be bought for?"

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Triple Zero on September 17, 2011, 01:12:45 PM
(http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3357/rick2r.jpg)

tell me when this is getting too easy.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Telarus on September 17, 2011, 08:38:09 PM
:spittake:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 17, 2011, 09:26:37 PM
QuoteWhile Rick Perry has been touting his record of creating jobs in Texas as a key reason he'd make a great president, it turns out employment numbers aren't so peachy in his homestate either.

NBC's Michael Isikoff reports that the Texas unemployment rate "increased to 8.5% in August — the highest level in more than 24 years and more than twice the rate when Perry took office in December 2000."

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/09/rick-perrys-texas-hits-highest-unemployment-percentage-in-24-years.php
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 18, 2011, 01:09:47 AM
Jobs? In Texas?

:spittake:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 18, 2011, 12:05:27 PM
Reuters is flat-out calling him a liar, he may be finished.

http://blogs.reuters.com/reuters-money/2011/09/16/perrys-monstrous-lies-about-social-security/

ETA:  Even God hates him...

http://mythandhope.blogspot.com/2011/09/god-hates-rick-perry.html
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: deadfong on September 19, 2011, 04:09:03 PM
I don't know that being called out on lies - at least, these kinds of lies - will do much to sink any politician in this day and age.  Most voters don't know how Social Security, or most economic issues really, work.

I think the mandatory promiscuity injection - I mean, HPV vaccine - will do more to hurt him with the morally conservative wing of Republican primary voters. 

Not saying don't hype up his Social Security bullshit, but teh sex tends to grab more attention.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 19, 2011, 05:57:59 PM
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr8xdcvIpY1qa5z1ro1_400.jpg)
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 19, 2011, 06:00:07 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 19, 2011, 05:57:59 PM
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr8xdcvIpY1qa5z1ro1_400.jpg)

BEST. WOMP. IN. THE. HISTORY. OF. WESTERN. CIVILIZATION. *yoink*  :lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on September 19, 2011, 06:01:50 PM
 :spittake:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 19, 2011, 06:33:16 PM
(http://images.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/spit-take-300x390.jpg)

Oh, Gawd...
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 19, 2011, 06:44:41 PM
Soundtrack (thanks for suggesting that, Phoxy!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKB4S1Vf3oY&feature=fvwrel
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 19, 2011, 07:01:25 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 19, 2011, 05:57:59 PM
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr8xdcvIpY1qa5z1ro1_400.jpg)

:peedee:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 19, 2011, 07:14:48 PM
That was from the user "OhMy!" at Capitol Grilling.

They seem to have taken up the habit. 

:lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on September 19, 2011, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 19, 2011, 05:57:59 PM
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr8xdcvIpY1qa5z1ro1_400.jpg)

So yoinked.  So spread througout the universe.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 19, 2011, 08:18:10 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 19, 2011, 07:14:48 PM
That was from the user "OhMy!" at Capitol Grilling.

They seem to have taken up the habit. 

:lulz:

IT'S SPREADING LIKE A DISEASE!
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Elder Iptuous on September 19, 2011, 08:56:35 PM
this image is magical!
a winnar!
google image search for 'Perry corndog', and this image is already all over the place.

Perhaps a quoted response from Perry addressing this image should be spread as well...  something ambiguous.
it would attract more attention to the image, and if stated awkwardly enough could just further cast into doubt his heterosexual credibility.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 19, 2011, 09:04:26 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on September 19, 2011, 08:56:35 PM
this image is magical!
a winnar!
google image search for 'Perry corndog', and this image is already all over the place.

Perhaps a quoted response from Perry addressing this image should be spread as well...  something ambiguous.
it would attract more attention to the image, and if stated awkwardly enough could just further cast into doubt his heterosexual credibility.

"Yes, I did some barebacking with Movie Gallery, but I didn't invest."
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 19, 2011, 09:09:37 PM
DOK!!!!! SEND THIS BACK TO THE CG GUY! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD4SRxteE0U
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 19, 2011, 09:11:00 PM
Bonus: Bilderberg slurp parties http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oiVcL7tNAs&feature=related   :lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 19, 2011, 09:19:39 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 19, 2011, 09:09:37 PM
DOK!!!!! SEND THIS BACK TO THE CG GUY! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD4SRxteE0U

:banana:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 04:42:28 PM
Turns out the recall of Walker may be unnecessary.

There's a chance a grand jury is going to recall him in a corruption probe. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/16/scott-walker-cynthia-archer-fbi-raid-wisconsin_n_965899.html)

From the article:

Agents raided the home of Cynthia Archer, who held a top spot in Walker's office when he served as Milwaukee County executive and followed Walker to work in state government after last November's election.

The raid comes amid an ongoing secret Milwaukee County investigation that the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, citing unnamed people familiar with the case, said focuses on whether county staffers in Walker's office did political work on the taxpayer dime.

This week's action is a reminder of long-simmering questions surrounding work by Walker's county staffers, one of whom admitted last year to anonymously posting pro-Walker comments on websites while on county time. It also raises questions about how deep the investigation will go and what implications it could have for the rising first-term Republican star.[/quote]


Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 06:53:36 PM
More goodness from CG:

(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w161/Cookiebelle/Not.jpg)

:lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Juana on September 20, 2011, 06:55:11 PM
That's beautiful! :lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 20, 2011, 07:24:00 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 06:53:36 PM
More goodness from CG:

(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w161/Cookiebelle/Not.jpg)

:lulz:

Wow, they're getting good over there!  :lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 20, 2011, 07:24:00 PM

Wow, they're getting good over there!  :lulz:

OhMy! is a GENIUS at photoshop.  She'd make one hell of a WOMP artist.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 20, 2011, 08:18:31 PM
It's SUBLIME.  :lulz:

Dok, is that a Vishnu Dok in your avvie? Wouldn't a Shiva Dok be better? He gets to burn stuff.  :D
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 10:05:49 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 20, 2011, 08:18:31 PM
It's SUBLIME.  :lulz:

Dok, is that a Vishnu Dok in your avvie? Wouldn't a Shiva Dok be better? He gets to burn stuff.  :D

But I get 11 dicks.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 20, 2011, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 10:05:49 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 20, 2011, 08:18:31 PM
It's SUBLIME.  :lulz:

Dok, is that a Vishnu Dok in your avvie? Wouldn't a Shiva Dok be better? He gets to burn stuff.  :D

But I get 11 dicks.

:spittake:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 20, 2011, 10:12:16 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 10:05:49 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 20, 2011, 08:18:31 PM
It's SUBLIME.  :lulz:

Dok, is that a Vishnu Dok in your avvie? Wouldn't a Shiva Dok be better? He gets to burn stuff.  :D

But I get 11 dicks.

:baby:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 11:29:15 PM
Saint OhMy! is okay with mass distribution, and in fact encourages it.

I'm asking her for more.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 21, 2011, 04:24:03 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 11:29:15 PM
Saint OhMy! is okay with mass distribution, and in fact encourages it.

I'm asking her for more.

What a coup!  :lulz:

Truly, the man has 11 dicks.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 23, 2011, 10:17:42 AM
Damn.  Perry has had to do a LOT of editing history.  First, his "Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional and I would abolish them" stance.  Now, it's, "but I never actually used the word secession."

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/09/22/325842/rick-perry-no-truth-on-secession/

Doesn't count if the only reason you didn't use the word is that you don't have the vocabulary, dickbreath.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 23, 2011, 02:41:55 PM
Now he's reacting.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 23, 2011, 06:40:54 PM
About Perry's claim that it is his duty as a Christian to stand with Israel:

http://www.slate.com/id/2304311/

QuoteWhoa. That's something George W. Bush never did. Bush never said he had a Christian duty to stand with Israel, because to say such a thing would have been stupid and dangerous. By framing U.S. foreign policy in terms of a religious alliance between Christians and Jews, Perry is validating the propaganda of Islamic extremists. He's jeopardizing peace, Israel, and the United States.

Bush understood that the terrorists who struck us on 9/11 wanted a religious war. The key to defeating them wasn't to wage that war, but to refuse it. That's why Bush constantly praised Islam, emphasized American freedom of religion, and dismissed Osama Bin Laden as a renegade killer of Muslims....

Go back and look at Bush's comments about Israel. In eight years, he never mentioned his Christianity as a basis for his policies there. He defended Israel as a democracy and an ally. When he mentioned Judaism and Christianity in this context, he always included Islam. "The Middle East is the birthplace of three great religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam," Bush said in a speech to the American Jewish Committee a few months before 9/11. "Lasting peace in the region must respect the rights of believers in all these faiths." In 2007, Bush told Al Arabiya: "I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God. ... I believe that Islam is a great religion that preaches peace." Again and again, Bush affirmed: "If you're a Jew or a Christian or a Muslim, you're equally American."

Perry has trashed this legacy. By declaring that "as a Christian, I am going to stand with Israel," he has vindicated Bin Laden's narrative. 
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: LMNO on September 23, 2011, 06:43:13 PM
I saw that.  Clearly, this man is a foreign policy GENIUS.  I was going to ask you if the reactions in the middle east would be as dramatic as the article implies.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 23, 2011, 06:47:13 PM
It would probably go down as well as....well, a US president vetoing the establishment of a pathetically undersized Palestinian state while supporting repression in Yemen and Bahrain.

So business as usual, pretty much.  There is a culture of conspiracy theorizing in Middle East politics though, and statements like that certainly play into it.

Also, this amused

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/95251/perry-romney-problem-fox-news-debate

QuoteAsked a hypothetical about Pakistan losing control of its nuclear arsenal, Perry wisely ducked the explosive what-would-you-do-first part of the question. But then Perry veered off on an odd tangent that took him from the Haqqani terrorist network in Pakistan to our reputed reluctance to sell advanced F-16s to India, Pakistan's historic enemy. Next, Perry drifted into our unwillingness to fully arm Taiwan. About all that was missing was a critique of our military posture towards Luxembourg.

Perry's starting to flounder  :lol:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 23, 2011, 06:57:54 PM
Dipping in the polls, as well:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/new_hampshire/election_2012_new_hampshire_republican_primary

QuoteRomney earns 39% of the vote in Rasmussen Reports' first telephone survey of Likely Republican Primary Voters in New Hampshire in the Election 2012 campaign season. Texas Governor Rick Perry is a distant second with 18% support, followed by Texas Congressman Ron Paul at 13%.

QuoteAmong Tea Party voters, the race is much narrower, with Romney posting a 30% to 26% lead over Perry. Non-members prefer Romney over Perry 45% to 14%

Unaffiliated voters can vote in the state's GOP Primary, and among those voters Romney earns 34% support with Paul in second place at 19%. Huntsman gets 15% support from unaffiliateds, followed by Perry at 12%.

But just 34% of all likely GOP primary voters in the state are certain how they will vote at this time, and Romney leads Perry 43% to 17% among these voters. Paul also has 17% support within this group.

Seventy-seven percent (77%) of likely Republican primary voters in New Hampshire hold a favorable opinion of Romney, including 32% with a Very Favorable one. Only 21% view him unfavorably, with six percent (6%) Very Unfavorable.

Perry is seen favorably by 61% and unfavorably by 33%. This includes 22% with a Very Favorable regard for him and 17% with a Very Unfavorable opinion.

It's not all good news, but Romney could still take this from Perry, if he manages it right.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: LMNO on September 23, 2011, 07:02:34 PM
I think his "Texas Crazy" approach doesn't work very well in states North of the Mason-Dixon line.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 23, 2011, 08:02:59 PM
The RWN hierarchy (Kristol, etc) has turned on him.

Woot.  Woot, I say.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: deadfong on September 23, 2011, 08:14:56 PM
As tiresome as it is to have all this primary-election hoopla months out from the first actual voting, it does have the benefit of giving each candidate plenty of time to implode.

On the other hand, it does also give Perry plenty of time to claw his way back out of an early grave, if it comes to that.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 23, 2011, 08:23:38 PM
True.  But once you implode in the eyes of the conservative establishment (and probably the liberal establishment too, for that matter), you're dead to them, and no longer a Serious Candidate.

Lets put it this way: I don't see Sarah Palin ever making a comeback.  Once you peak, that seems to be it, you can only go down.

If anyone can think of any modern exceptions to this, I'd like to hear them.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 23, 2011, 08:28:09 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 23, 2011, 08:23:38 PM
True.  But once you implode in the eyes of the conservative establishment (and probably the liberal establishment too, for that matter), you're dead to them, and no longer a Serious Candidate.

Lets put it this way: I don't see Sarah Palin ever making a comeback.  Once you peak, that seems to be it, you can only go down.

If anyone can think of any modern exceptions to this, I'd like to hear them.

The last one I can think of was Richard Nixon.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 23, 2011, 08:33:13 PM
Yeah, same here.  And Nixon was ultimately of a different breed to your modern Republican, even though he helped form them.  The party definitely aint what it used to be...
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Triple Zero on September 23, 2011, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 23, 2011, 08:23:38 PM
True.  But once you implode in the eyes of the conservative establishment (and probably the liberal establishment too, for that matter), you're dead to them, and no longer a Serious Candidate.

Lets put it this way: I don't see Sarah Palin ever making a comeback.  Once you peak, that seems to be it, you can only go down.

If anyone can think of any modern exceptions to this, I'd like to hear them.

That's probably because if they have to make someone "big" they might as well start with one with a clean slate, it's not like there's any shortage of braindead morons to fill the positions? So just get a new one instead of recycle the blemished old one.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Elder Iptuous on September 23, 2011, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 23, 2011, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 23, 2011, 08:23:38 PM
True.  But once you implode in the eyes of the conservative establishment (and probably the liberal establishment too, for that matter), you're dead to them, and no longer a Serious Candidate.

Lets put it this way: I don't see Sarah Palin ever making a comeback.  Once you peak, that seems to be it, you can only go down.

If anyone can think of any modern exceptions to this, I'd like to hear them.

That's probably because if they have to make someone "big" they might as well start with one with a clean slate, it's not like there's any shortage of braindead morons to fill the positions? So just get a new one instead of recycle the blemished old one.

Like Disney owned boy bands.

oh god.
now i can't get the image of the republican debate with poppy music and choreographed dancing out of my head!
:x
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on September 23, 2011, 09:08:04 PM
I was REALLY hoping this dumber-than-dubya would keep on opening his maw and sticking his feet in it.  I'll sit with a glass of bubbly and a bucket of popcorn watching his failboat sink into the horizon as the GOP rats swim away.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 23, 2011, 09:09:09 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on September 23, 2011, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 23, 2011, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 23, 2011, 08:23:38 PM
True.  But once you implode in the eyes of the conservative establishment (and probably the liberal establishment too, for that matter), you're dead to them, and no longer a Serious Candidate.

Lets put it this way: I don't see Sarah Palin ever making a comeback.  Once you peak, that seems to be it, you can only go down.

If anyone can think of any modern exceptions to this, I'd like to hear them.

That's probably because if they have to make someone "big" they might as well start with one with a clean slate, it's not like there's any shortage of braindead morons to fill the positions? So just get a new one instead of recycle the blemished old one.

Like Disney owned boy bands.

oh god.
now i can't get the image of the republican debate with poppy music and choreographed dancing out of my head!
:x

And Bachmann dressed like Hannah Montana.

I hate you, Ippy.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Triple Zero on September 23, 2011, 09:13:11 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on September 23, 2011, 09:06:36 PM
oh god.
now i can't get the image of the republican debate with poppy music and choreographed dancing out of my head!
:x

If you think that's bad, try getting it out of your TV next elections.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: deadfong on September 23, 2011, 09:49:31 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 23, 2011, 08:23:38 PM
True.  But once you implode in the eyes of the conservative establishment (and probably the liberal establishment too, for that matter), you're dead to them, and no longer a Serious Candidate.

Lets put it this way: I don't see Sarah Palin ever making a comeback.  Once you peak, that seems to be it, you can only go down.

If anyone can think of any modern exceptions to this, I'd like to hear them.

You're probably right.  I just can't seem to shake The Fear.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 23, 2011, 09:58:57 PM
Well, he hasnt quite imploded yet.  He's looking a lot shakier than he did two weeks ago, though.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on September 23, 2011, 10:07:44 PM
I can hear the tick tick tick though...
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 25, 2011, 08:31:04 PM
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/23/a-look-at-politifact-grades-of-candidates/

Perry is a massive liar, but also says quite a few true things, it seems.

Bachmann, on the other hand, is an out and out liar. 
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 26, 2011, 11:19:33 AM
Oh.  My.  GOD.

The Stupidest Fucking Guy on the Planet (http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/07/15/270999/doug-feith-advising-rick-perry-on-foreign-policy/) is advising Rick Perry on his Mid-East policy:

QuoteThe National Review Online reports that Texas GOP governor Rick Perry appears to be getting serious about running for president because apparently he is "brushing up on foreign policy." And who is helping Perry with the brushing? None other than Doug Feith, whom Gen. Tommy Franks famously referred to as the "stupidest guy on the face of the earth." Feith is also well known for leading the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans (a.k.a "The Lie Factory") that cooked up faulty intel on Iraq's WMD program before the invasion.

This is like a perfect storm of stupidity.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cramulus on September 26, 2011, 02:23:11 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 23, 2011, 08:23:38 PM
True.  But once you implode in the eyes of the conservative establishment (and probably the liberal establishment too, for that matter), you're dead to them, and no longer a Serious Candidate.

Lets put it this way: I don't see Sarah Palin ever making a comeback.  Once you peak, that seems to be it, you can only go down.

If anyone can think of any modern exceptions to this, I'd like to hear them.

Romney and McCain?

both had a number of false starts to the white house but continued to be serious candidates



ETA: ehh neither had any major bungles or gaffs though
also, Palin is toast
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on September 27, 2011, 12:19:52 AM
QuoteThree commissioners appointed by Gov. Rick Perry may grant some of the nation's largest refineries a tax refund of more than $135 million — money Texas' cash-strapped schools and other local governments have been counting on to help pay teachers and provide other public services.
The refund would mean more pain for some communities after a year in which state lawmakers had to grapple with a $27 billion shortfall and slashed spending on public schools by more than $4 billion. Nearly half the refund would be taken from public schools, and those in cities where the refineries are based would be hurt the most.



http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/09/26/328524/perry-appointees-raid-public-school-funds-to-give-oil-refineries-135-million-tax-break/
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: The Rev on September 27, 2011, 11:02:39 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 27, 2011, 12:19:52 AM
QuoteThree commissioners appointed by Gov. Rick Perry may grant some of the nation's largest refineries a tax refund of more than $135 million — money Texas' cash-strapped schools and other local governments have been counting on to help pay teachers and provide other public services.
The refund would mean more pain for some communities after a year in which state lawmakers had to grapple with a $27 billion shortfall and slashed spending on public schools by more than $4 billion. Nearly half the refund would be taken from public schools, and those in cities where the refineries are based would be hurt the most.



http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/09/26/328524/perry-appointees-raid-public-school-funds-to-give-oil-refineries-135-million-tax-break/

An education isn't important. All we need to do is to teach kids to work and then send them to the factories. Too bad there aren't any left here to send them to.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 27, 2011, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: The Rev on September 27, 2011, 11:02:39 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 27, 2011, 12:19:52 AM
QuoteThree commissioners appointed by Gov. Rick Perry may grant some of the nation's largest refineries a tax refund of more than $135 million — money Texas' cash-strapped schools and other local governments have been counting on to help pay teachers and provide other public services.
The refund would mean more pain for some communities after a year in which state lawmakers had to grapple with a $27 billion shortfall and slashed spending on public schools by more than $4 billion. Nearly half the refund would be taken from public schools, and those in cities where the refineries are based would be hurt the most.



http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/09/26/328524/perry-appointees-raid-public-school-funds-to-give-oil-refineries-135-million-tax-break/

An education isn't important. All we need to do is to teach kids to work and then send them to the factories. Too bad there aren't any left here to send them to.

Survival of the fittest. Those who don't die of malutrition and exposure will make a s00per breed of servant.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: The Rev on September 28, 2011, 01:51:02 PM
Guess how much the leader of this "Christian" movement to cut-government-help-for-the-poor-because-the-Church-should-be-doing-it gave to his church from 2007-2009 (the most recent years his tax records are available)? 1/100th of a tithe! Rick Perry gave only one one-thousandth of what he made to his church. The year he made more than $1 million, his total church giving was less than $100 (you read that right -- that's less than 1/10,000th of his income). On the other hand, in 2009 alone he deducted $15,000 in "gifts" to renovate the Governor's mansion where he lived. This is more than he gave to his churches during the last decade. And we wonder why the Church isn't able to do a better job caring for the least and last.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-sapp/...lp00000008
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on September 29, 2011, 12:57:20 PM
Is Dan Simmons in the tank for Perry?  Just heard about his last book, "Flashback".  Quoth someone else:

QuoteThe U.S. is a broke, neo-totalitarian State, with cities and roads lawless. It rents out its poorly trained and equipped army as fodder to Japan and India to fight their wars. People deal with the catastrophes by abusing a drug called 'Flashback' that allows one to memory dive and relieve a post moment as new again.

All of the decline, this 'appeasement' occurred because of a man elected president in November 2008. His policies like ObamaCare, his speech in Cairo, it all started with one community organizer.

The lone, shining hold out of integrity and self esteem? Why, the Republic of Texas, naturally.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 29, 2011, 03:50:04 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 29, 2011, 12:57:20 PM
Is Dan Simmons in the tank for Perry?  Just heard about his last book, "Flashback".  Quoth someone else:

QuoteThe U.S. is a broke, neo-totalitarian State, with cities and roads lawless. It rents out its poorly trained and equipped army as fodder to Japan and India to fight their wars. People deal with the catastrophes by abusing a drug called 'Flashback' that allows one to memory dive and relieve a post moment as new again.

All of the decline, this 'appeasement' occurred because of a man elected president in November 2008. His policies like ObamaCare, his speech in Cairo, it all started with one community organizer.

The lone, shining hold out of integrity and self esteem? Why, the Republic of Texas, naturally.

WUT?  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Juana on September 29, 2011, 05:27:23 PM
:lulz: Oh god.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on October 01, 2011, 12:45:31 PM
Quote from: deadfong on September 01, 2011, 04:29:24 PM
The judge apparently found only part of the law unconstitutional:

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Judge-stays-sonogram-law-2148085.php

QuoteTo those women seeking an abortion, the law would have required doctors to display an ultrasound image of the fetus, make the heartbeat audible and describe the fetus' dimensions, cardiac activity and internal and external organs.

Sparks said all of those requirements violate First Amendment protections against state-ordered speech.

Sparks let stand the law's requirement that sonograms be performed at least 24 hours before an abortion, unless the patient lives 100 miles or more from the nearest provider. In that case, the wait would be shortened to two hours.

Sonograms already are routinely performed before abortions for diagnostic reasons. Typically, they are done the same day.

Kinda sounds like women in Texas who want an abortion will still have to pay for two sonograms, but at least they won't have to hear any speechifying about it.

The Fifth Circuit Court has blocked enforcement of this law while it's under review.  Link may be NSFW, as it has an illustration of how invasive the required sonograms are.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/39225_Supreme_Court_Blocks_Texas_Neanderthal_Sonogram_Law

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Don Coyote on October 01, 2011, 04:26:55 PM
Let me get this straight.

They passed a law that would require the mother be forced to listen to the heartbeat of a fetus that is so small it requires the insertion of a probe to asses it?



I fucking hate people.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on October 01, 2011, 08:15:20 PM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 01, 2011, 04:26:55 PM
Let me get this straight.

They passed a law that would require the mother be forced to listen to the heartbeat of a fetus that is so small it requires the insertion of a probe to asses it?



I fucking hate people.

Yes, that's exactly what they did.  And Rick Perry signed it.

http://mycuentame.org/2011/08/29/rick-perrys-anti-abortion-law-takes-effect-this-week-requiring-women-to-get-a-sonogram-24-hours-before-an-abortion/

QuoteUnder the new law, doctors preparing to perform an abortion were required to conduct an ultrasound, show the result to the pregnant woman and make the fetal heartbeat audible before performing the procedure. If the patient declined to see the ultrasound, she would have to sign a waiver that also required her to disclose if the pregnancy resulted from incest or assault.
She also would still be compelled to hear the doctor's detailed description of the fetal development revealed in the ultrasound. Then, the patient would have to wait at least 24 hours before returning to obtain an abortion.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/governor-seethes-over-court-veto-of-abortion-law-20110831-1jm0t.html#ixzz1ZYibWF2q

Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on October 01, 2011, 08:21:37 PM
Could we lobby for this method to be applied to the decision to wage war?  Before authorizing an act of War, the President and Congress must look at pictures of civilian victims of the last conflict for a period of no less than two hours, and hear the testimony of those affected by the violence.

They then must wait a further 24 hours before declaring war.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Elder Iptuous on October 01, 2011, 08:49:53 PM
that sounds like a fantastic idea, Cain.
except....
we don't actually declare war anymore.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on October 01, 2011, 08:52:00 PM
I like it, Cain.  It's just missing some type of humiliating invasive medical procedure.  Like, a check to see if their heads are lodged in their asses, maybe...
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on October 02, 2011, 10:33:12 AM
Oh look, speaking of military interventions!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-15140560

QuoteTexas Governor Rick Perry - who is seeking the Republican nomination for US president - has said he would consider sending American troops into Mexico to combat drug-related violence.

Mr Perry was speaking during a campaign appearance in New Hampshire.

"It may require our military in Mexico working in concert with them to kill these drug cartels and keep them off our border," he said.

Such a move would go far beyond current US involvement in Mexico's drugs war.

The suggestion is also likely to irritate Mexico's government over the sensitive issue, correspondents say.

Governor Perry gave no further details of what sort of possible military intervention he would consider.

"I don't know all the different scenarios that would be out there," he said.

"But I think it is very important for us to work with them to keep that country from failing".

Of course, military advisors and special forces are already operating in Mexico, nevermind what the Pentagon says or Mexico thinks.  But they are there in relatively small numbers and, when acting covertly, tend to take care not to get caught or be obvious about it.

Perry therefore seems to be suggesting something larger scale.  Also, good luck in winning that war!  I hear the militarized response has really done wonders for the Mexican government, so maybe he could bring some of that "success" north of the border.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on October 02, 2011, 12:20:09 PM
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/rick-perry-warren-buffett-hasnt-got-clue--0

QuoteANDREW SORKIN, CNBC: Governor Perry, real quick. Warren Buffett is going to be in New York tomorrow for an Obama fund-raiser. Curious about your thoughts on the Buffet Rule.

Gov, RICK PERRY: I think it's right down to the real problem that we've got in Washington, D.C. an administration that is listening to people who really don't have an understanding about what's going on out there in the real world. you think -- I respect -- I think Mr. Buffet is a really intelligent individual. I can promise you he doesn't know what's going on in places that where the job creation is at a zero because of overtaxation and overregulation.

I don't even...
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on October 02, 2011, 12:52:43 PM
One of Buffett's subsidaries has employed more people in the private sector than Rick Perry has in his whole life.

Also, noticed on Google auto-complete, when typing in "Rick Perry", the top choice after "Rick Perry" itself is "Rick Perry gay".  Just thought you'd all like to know.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Don Coyote on October 02, 2011, 01:27:22 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 02, 2011, 10:33:12 AM
Oh look, speaking of military interventions!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-15140560

QuoteTexas Governor Rick Perry - who is seeking the Republican nomination for US president - has said he would consider sending American troops into Mexico to combat drug-related violence.

Mr Perry was speaking during a campaign appearance in New Hampshire.

"It may require our military in Mexico working in concert with them to kill these drug cartels and keep them off our border," he said.

Such a move would go far beyond current US involvement in Mexico's drugs war.

The suggestion is also likely to irritate Mexico's government over the sensitive issue, correspondents say.

Governor Perry gave no further details of what sort of possible military intervention he would consider.

"I don't know all the different scenarios that would be out there," he said.

"But I think it is very important for us to work with them to keep that country from failing".

Of course, military advisors and special forces are already operating in Mexico, nevermind what the Pentagon says or Mexico thinks.  But they are there in relatively small numbers and, when acting covertly, tend to take care not to get caught or be obvious about it.

Perry therefore seems to be suggesting something larger scale.  Also, good luck in winning that war!  I hear the militarized response has really done wonders for the Mexican government, so maybe he could bring some of that "success" north of the border.

THE BLOODY FUCKING RETARDED INBRED PIECE OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!


Quote from: Cain on October 02, 2011, 12:52:43 PM
One of Buffett's subsidaries has employed more people in the private sector than Rick Perry has in his whole life.

Also, noticed on Google auto-complete, when typing in "Rick Perry", the top choice after "Rick Perry" itself is "Rick Perry gay".  Just thought you'd all like to know.

EXCELLENT!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on October 03, 2011, 05:55:29 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 02, 2011, 10:33:12 AM
Oh look, speaking of military interventions!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-15140560

QuoteTexas Governor Rick Perry - who is seeking the Republican nomination for US president - has said he would consider sending American troops into Mexico to combat drug-related violence.

Mr Perry was speaking during a campaign appearance in New Hampshire.

"It may require our military in Mexico working in concert with them to kill these drug cartels and keep them off our border," he said.

Such a move would go far beyond current US involvement in Mexico's drugs war.

The suggestion is also likely to irritate Mexico's government over the sensitive issue, correspondents say.

Governor Perry gave no further details of what sort of possible military intervention he would consider.

"I don't know all the different scenarios that would be out there," he said.

"But I think it is very important for us to work with them to keep that country from failing".

Of course, military advisors and special forces are already operating in Mexico, nevermind what the Pentagon says or Mexico thinks.  But they are there in relatively small numbers and, when acting covertly, tend to take care not to get caught or be obvious about it.

Perry therefore seems to be suggesting something larger scale.  Also, good luck in winning that war!  I hear the militarized response has really done wonders for the Mexican government, so maybe he could bring some of that "success" north of the border.
Actually doing that certainly won't help the situation, but talking like that will win him more votes from the God Guns and Guts demographic that he is courting.

I'm disappointed.  Rick Perry gay is the third auto-suggestion when I tried it.  I get:
Rick Perry
Rick Perry for president
Rick Perry gay
Rick Perry issues
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on October 04, 2011, 10:14:28 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/k23hR.png)
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 04, 2011, 10:19:20 AM
Quote from: Cain on October 04, 2011, 10:14:28 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/k23hR.png)

Is this one of those poll-fuckery tricks to sway people's opinion?
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on October 04, 2011, 10:32:54 AM
Apparently not http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/behind-the-numbers/post/republicans-expect-to-win-in-2012/2011/10/03/gIQAfG1PIL_blog.html
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on October 04, 2011, 04:33:46 PM
It's all a confidence game.  Which is easy right now because they haven't chosen just who the fuck is running against the incumbent--and said incumbent is one that everyone's disappointed in and no one is really happy with at the moment.

So this kind of poll, while indicative of the general sentiment of malaise about who's running the country in general, is also something that can change on a dime.  All indications point to the fact Obama has an uphill, both ways, in the snow, barefoot kind of road ahead of him for this election cycle.  That's sort of a given.

But until we know what boatload of guano the Republicans are shoveling once the dust settles and the primaries are over...I think it's far from a done deal.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on October 04, 2011, 06:08:59 PM
I agree with what Jenne said.  The divisions in that pie graph will change dramatically once "The Republican Candidate" is replaced with the name of a specific Republican candidate.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Scribbly on October 05, 2011, 09:14:31 AM
I have very little idea how American politics works, but... why is everyone assuming Obama will be the one running against this Republican candidate? Is there no mechanism for the Democrats to decide 'actually, Obama, you are a liability now, goodbye, here's Congressman XYZ to be our attempt to regain some credibility.'?

I mean, I keep hearing that Obama has some of the lowest approval ratings ever, so I'm surprised that nobody in the Democrats seems to be trying to oust him. They'd be eating him for lunch over here.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on October 05, 2011, 09:22:46 AM
It is possible to launch a primary challenge against Obama, yes.  In fact, this has been discussed quite frequently in certain progressive circles.

The problem is, basically, the incumbent always has the advantage.  They're a known quantity.  They usually have far greater access to fundraisers, and are more convincingly able to offer political favours to Senators etc for their support.

Throwing in a new guy tends to make the race far more uncertain and so a lot riskier.  Most professional politicians are not willing to accept that risk.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Scribbly on October 05, 2011, 09:37:53 AM
Hm, fair enough.

That's a pity. I'd love to see a CHANGE THIS CHANGE FOR REAL CHANGE campaign.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on October 05, 2011, 09:51:54 AM
There was talk of Matt Damon being the person to primary Obama.

Which I see failing utterly.  And to be honest, I don't think Damon is dumb enough to try it.  More recently, there was talk of having Elizabeth Warren doing it, though since she is bidding for a Senator's seat, that is a no go (it's also foolish, since she is backed by many of the same financial interests as Obama).  There's always someone suggesting that Dennis Kucinich primary whoever is in charge, so that's nothing new.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on October 05, 2011, 11:03:30 AM
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on October 05, 2011, 09:14:31 AM
I have very little idea how American politics works, but... why is everyone assuming Obama will be the one running against this Republican candidate? Is there no mechanism for the Democrats to decide 'actually, Obama, you are a liability now, goodbye, here's Congressman XYZ to be our attempt to regain some credibility.'?

I mean, I keep hearing that Obama has some of the lowest approval ratings ever, so I'm surprised that nobody in the Democrats seems to be trying to oust him. They'd be eating him for lunch over here.

You are misinformed.  You don't even have to go back far...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating

Obama's highest disapproval rating looks to be 55%, his lowest approval rating,38%

GW Bush:  Highest Disapproval, 71%, lowest approval, 25%.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on October 05, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
Actually, a lot of Hollow-wood elitists are trying to fund Hilary Clinton.

That's the word on the street, anyway.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 05, 2011, 08:52:34 PM
Oooh, if Clinton runs I'm voting for her!

Not in the primaries though, I'm a Republican.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 05, 2011, 08:54:07 PM
Quote from: Jenne on October 05, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
Actually, a lot of Hollow-wood elitists are trying to fund Hilary Clinton.

That's the word on the street, anyway.

Which probably means the money is coming straight from the Koch Brothers.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on October 05, 2011, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 05, 2011, 08:54:07 PM
Quote from: Jenne on October 05, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
Actually, a lot of Hollow-wood elitists are trying to fund Hilary Clinton.

That's the word on the street, anyway.

Which probably means the money is coming straight from the Koch Brothers.

Could be--heard this on one of dem talking bobblehead shows on Sunday morning.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on October 05, 2011, 09:06:34 PM
Bloomberg had an expose on the Koch brothers the other week.

Turned out, in addition to the family fortune being made in the Soviet Union, they also made money exporting prohibited items to Iran.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Cain on October 05, 2011, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: Jenne on October 05, 2011, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 05, 2011, 08:54:07 PM
Quote from: Jenne on October 05, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
Actually, a lot of Hollow-wood elitists are trying to fund Hilary Clinton.

That's the word on the street, anyway.

Which probably means the money is coming straight from the Koch Brothers.

Could be--heard this on one of dem talking bobblehead shows on Sunday morning.

Sounds like bullshit.  Sunday morning talk shows are full of shit.  You can tell, because John McCain is on practically all of them, and shit oozes out of every little mavericky pore on his body.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Jenne on October 05, 2011, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 05, 2011, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: Jenne on October 05, 2011, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 05, 2011, 08:54:07 PM
Quote from: Jenne on October 05, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
Actually, a lot of Hollow-wood elitists are trying to fund Hilary Clinton.

That's the word on the street, anyway.

Which probably means the money is coming straight from the Koch Brothers.

Could be--heard this on one of dem talking bobblehead shows on Sunday morning.

Sounds like bullshit.  Sunday morning talk shows are full of shit.  You can tell, because John McCain is on practically all of them, and shit oozes out of every little mavericky pore on his body.

:lulz:  Touche.  But sometimes they have their ear to the ground...I just like how they talk about themselves as pundits.  "It's the pundits in the media *eyes slew around the round table* that are creating the rumor Chris Christie wants to run."  :lulz:

Yeah, tell us more we already know.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Juana on October 05, 2011, 09:33:41 PM
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on October 05, 2011, 09:14:31 AM
I have very little idea how American politics works, but... why is everyone assuming Obama will be the one running against this Republican candidate? Is there no mechanism for the Democrats to decide 'actually, Obama, you are a liability now, goodbye, here's Congressman XYZ to be our attempt to regain some credibility.'?

I mean, I keep hearing that Obama has some of the lowest approval ratings ever, so I'm surprised that nobody in the Democrats seems to be trying to oust him. They'd be eating him for lunch over here.
I don't remember which president, but that has happened. The incumbent (a Democrat, iirc) got ousted hardcore and the replacement won, too.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 06, 2011, 03:39:29 AM
He's an ignorant fuck because he comes from a community of ignorant fucks
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/rick-perry-familys-hunting-camp-still-known-to-many-by-old-racially-charged-name/2011/10/01/gIQAOhY5DL_story_4.html

On the upside, the corndog pic is making the rounds  :lulz:
http://underthemountainbunker.com/2011/10/02/rick-perrys-niggerhead-ranch/
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 10, 2011, 06:53:17 PM
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/10/8253711-pastors-comments-reignite-issue-of-romneys-religion

Good thing the GOP isn't a theocratic bag of shit, or anything.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: The Rev on October 11, 2011, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 10, 2011, 06:53:17 PM
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/10/8253711-pastors-comments-reignite-issue-of-romneys-religion

Good thing the GOP isn't a theocratic bag of shit, or anything.   :lulz:
Mormon, it's the new Islam!  :lulz:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Elder Iptuous on October 11, 2011, 03:15:39 PM
i saw my folks this weekend and was debating about politics and religion with my dad.  (he's an evangelical zealot in speech, and believes Islam is the religion of satan)  These debates are simultaneously infuriating and embarrassing for me....

at any rate, he said that Islam needs to be exterminated, and when i asked if that means it should be legally banned he said yes.  so... what about actual satanism?  Yes.  hmmm... Mormonism?  Yes.

i filed that one away.  i'm now hoping that Romney makes the cut for the republican nomination so that i can see if he'll vote for a satanic mormon over Obama, who professes christianity.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Juana on October 11, 2011, 05:04:13 PM
:lulz: I hope so, too!
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on October 13, 2011, 10:36:49 PM
Quote"Our Founding Fathers never meant for Washington, D.C. to be the fount of all wisdom. As a matter of fact they were very much afraid if that because they'd just had this experience with this far-away government that had centralized thought process and planning and what have you, and then it was actually the reason that we fought the revolution in the 16th century was to get away from that kind of onerous crown if you will," Perry said.

:facepalm:
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Phox on October 13, 2011, 10:59:31 PM
So, are you saying that George Washington didn't charge up Bunker Hill with his arquebus and rapier, and single-handedly defeat the combined forces of Queen Elizabeth I, Pope Gregory VIII and Oda Nobunaga in the battle of Valley Forge?  :?

ETA: Minor correction.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on October 13, 2011, 11:22:34 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on October 13, 2011, 10:59:31 PM
So, are you saying that George Washington didn't charge up Bunker Hill with his arquebus and rapier, and single-handedly defeat the combined forces of Queen Elizabeth I, Pope Gregory VIII and Oda Nobunaga in the battle of Valley Forge?  :?

ETA: Minor correction.

Mostly, I'm saying that Perry is a fucking moron.

I'd like to see, at the next debate, once the candidates are standing at their podiums, a high school teacher come out with exam papers and pencils.

High-school level exam.  American History and Civics (including constitutional law).

Post the scores, along with copies of the exams and all submitted answers.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on October 14, 2011, 08:59:22 PM
Americans don't want presidents who can pass civics tests.  We want our presidents to be regular folks who are as dumb as the rest of us.
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on October 14, 2011, 10:00:09 PM
Perry has offered up a jobs bill which is, near as I can tell, a fairly big, sloppy blowjob to Big Oil.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/10/14/344339/top-10-giveaways-to-big-oil-in-rick-perrys-jobs-plans/
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on October 15, 2011, 02:22:56 AM
QuoteOfficials in Rick Perry's home state of Texas have set off a scientists' revolt after purging mentions of climate change and sea-level rise from what was supposed to be a landmark environmental report. The scientists said they were disowning the report on the state of Galveston Bay because of political interference and censorship from Perry appointees at the state's environmental agency.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/oct/14/rick-perry-texas-censorship-environment-report
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Luna on October 15, 2011, 02:12:17 PM
We ought to be ashamed of ourselves.  While looking at the ignorant fuck who is Perry, we forgot about the rest of the clan.

His wife apparently shows the same breathtaking ability to find the worst possible thing to say in any give situation.

http://news.yahoo.com/anita-perry-blames-obama-son-quitting-job-221600918.html?ugccmt_success=NONJS_POST_SUCCESS#ugccmt-post-frm-container
Title: Re: Perry: Government you can TRUST.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on December 09, 2011, 05:23:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtFzuGeCfkc&feature=share  :lulz: