:cpd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jMA30_wUNM :lolchix: :lolchix:
Thanks for cluing me in right up front that I should put you on ignore.
:lulz:
QuoteGiven the DEA's relationship with Sinaloa, and the agency's fury over legalized marijuana, it almost seems like the DEA wants to crush the legal weed market in order to protect the interests of their cartel friends. Almost.
https://news.vice.com/article/legal-pot-in-the-us-is-crippling-mexican-cartels
Quote from: Telarus on August 22, 2014, 03:36:36 AM
:lulz:
QuoteGiven the DEA's relationship with Sinaloa, and the agency's fury over legalized marijuana, it almost seems like the DEA wants to crush the legal weed market in order to protect the interests of their cartel friends. Almost.
https://news.vice.com/article/legal-pot-in-the-us-is-crippling-mexican-cartels
Oh god
ALMOST
But how can this be? RWHN assured me, quoting a very impressive study from two RAND Corporation experts that legalising marijuana in the USA would have no impact on the Mexican cartels?
And that the DEA are a bunch of really nice guys, too.
:lol:
Don't diss the DEA, they're protecting our most valuable assets :argh!:
They're super nice guys, just fighting the good fight.
Chiming in here that despite our intensely regulated market, edibles are having all kind of problems, including a recall last month of one of the larger brownie makers for sanitary concerns:
http://www.foodmanufacturing.com/news/2014/07/marijuana-edibles-recalled-colorado (http://www.foodmanufacturing.com/news/2014/07/marijuana-edibles-recalled-colorado)
QuoteThe Denver Department of Environmental Health recalled several products from the company At Home Baked because of concerns over the machine the company was using to produce water hash to go in the products
Regardless, as the tax revenue and lower crime statistics keep coming in, there won't be much opposition that will be tolerated. Coupled with the states that are following our lead as well as the district decriminalization of possession, and the ball is finally rolling in the right direction.
Actually my number one complaint is the bullshit dui laws that have come with legality. I can't even have a whole beer at dinner without being over our bullshit .05 limit. It's ridiculous.
On a lighter note, the pot clubs/bars are still working out. Hell, one of them was advertising on the radio about a week products filled piñata for the 4th of July. So that's something I suppose.
It's like someone opened a can of goofy goobers up in here.
University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
Study shows 25 percent fewer opioid-related deaths in states allowing medical marijuana
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-08/uops-ss2082214.php
Quote from: Telarus on August 27, 2014, 01:34:42 AM
University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
Study shows 25 percent fewer opioid-related deaths in states allowing medical marijuana
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-08/uops-ss2082214.php
:lulz: I'm going to continue thoroughly enjoying the complete lack of social breakdown that happens post-legalization.
Marijuana compound may offer treatment for Alzheimer's disease
Date: August 27, 2014
Source: University of South Florida (USF Health)
Summary:Extremely low levels of the compound in marijuana known as delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, may slow or halt the progression of Alzheimer's disease, a recent study from neuroscientists shows.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140827131801.htm
Hell, at this point, I consider this thread a stake at the village entrance with skulls impaled on it. :P
No evidence of thinking about the children ITT
Quote from: Cain on August 27, 2014, 07:52:13 PM
No evidence of thinking about the children ITT
You're right of course. I'm disgusted at myself. What say we imprison them all, pre-emtively. To protect them from the inevitable gateway to meth?
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 27, 2014, 08:46:20 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 27, 2014, 07:52:13 PM
No evidence of thinking about the children ITT
You're right of course. I'm disgusted at myself. What say we imprison them all, pre-emtively. To protect them from the inevitable gateway to meth?
It's the only right way to protect our assets™.
I mildly wish I was privy to a "preventionist" forum so I could see what shrill denial screeching is happening about this.
My bet is that they wouldn't even be aware these stories existed.
Because all their assets are bad, bad, bad, and bad.
Quote from: Cain on August 28, 2014, 08:57:22 AM
My bet is that they wouldn't even be aware these stories existed.
That's a depressing thought. Their bubble excludes facts that run counter to their agenda.
And now that you say it, that's almost certainly the case.
Its like that NYT article I posted on FB...academic and disciplinary/work field bubbles are even more likely than social networking and political ones.
I mean, at least sizeable amounts of both Republicans and Democrats disagree with the Drug War.
Quote from: Cain on August 29, 2014, 07:52:25 PM
Its like that NYT article I posted on FB...academic and disciplinary/work field bubbles are even more likely than social networking and political ones.
I mean, at least sizeable amounts of both Republicans and Democrats disagree with the Drug War.
I've definitely noticed the academic bubbles... behavioral economists totally recreating research that was done by psychologists in the 50's and 60's, and calling it "groundbreaking".
A clean, open-and-shut Rastafarian Jury Nullification?
Why yes, yes it is. The peanut gallery may continue to wail and nash their teeth, if it really makes them feel better.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/17/doug-darrell-marijuana-jury-nullification_n_1890824.html
Quote from: Telarus on September 09, 2014, 07:43:50 PM
A clean, open-and-shut Rastafarian Jury Nullification?
Why yes, yes it is. The peanut gallery may continue to wail and nash their teeth, if it really makes them feel better.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/17/doug-darrell-marijuana-jury-nullification_n_1890824.html
Amazing. Actual justice.
It seems worth noting that that tale is 2 years old. A couple of quick searches and I can't find any updates but I've not heard about this Jury nullification law either. I'm guessing that got beaten to shit in the past couple of years.
Hmm.
Who's ready for some laughs?
QuoteThat's what bailed out 59-year-old Doug Darrell. Darrell is a piano-tuner and harp manufacturer from a rural New Hampshire hamlet. Darrell's turn in the criminal justice system began unluckily: A National Guard helicopter flying over his house in 2009 spotted some pot plants in his backyard, leading to his arrest and prosecution on felony marijuana charges.
But then things swung his way. First, he had a member of the Free State Project on his jury. Members of the FSP want to start a new libertarian society in the Granite State, and this particular Free Stater actively lobbied her fellow jurors to vote to acquit.
QuoteSecond, the judge in this case instructed jurors prior to deliberations that they had the tool of jury nullification at their disposal. This is very significant. Usually, a judge tells jurors that in fact nullification is not in their power. "Judges in most states, including California, tell juries they have no power to disregard the law," the Chronicle's Bob Egelko reported earlier this summer.
They have a "third", but I suspect that a picture is a lot more telling:
(http://www.sfweekly.com/imager/b/blog/2666114/2de2/AR_709199941.jpg?cb=1406235986)
http://www.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2012/09/21/jury-nullification-does-work-if-youre-a-white-rastafarian
Crazy woman on the jury, crazy judge and it saves a white guy. I can't help wonder how much these people would have helped the chap if his ethnic background was different.
So it's certainly American Justice, no doubt about that.
Oh definitely :P. But, note that it's been tried before by white Rastafarians. They mention California, so that would be Eddy Lepp's case (http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2011/07/10_years_prison_upheld_in_eddy_lepp_medical_mariju.php)... the Feds really didn't like Eddy. Eddy cited scripture (Rasta) which instructed him to grow it, but to also offer at least 1/3 of his land for others to grow on. So.. 32,000 plants wasn't something the Feds could look past.
Jury nullification isn't really a law so much as a natural feature of the jury system. The main question is whether the judge or attorneys can instruct the jury about it.
It's kind of a dumb question though, since telling the jury that they don't have that power is...lying, and telling them they do have the power is self-evident, but prejudicial.
The history of jury nullification isn't all rainbows and roses, though. Think juries in the 50's in Bumblefuck, Mississippi deciding the case of a white man accused of burning a black church, for instance.
Quote from: axod on August 24, 2014, 07:08:34 AM
It's like someone opened a can of goofy goobers up in here.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GihuUYmoMXU
It's justuz too :lulz:
Quote from: Cain on August 22, 2014, 08:56:58 AM
But how can this be? RWHN assured me, quoting a very impressive study from two RAND Corporation experts that legalising marijuana in the USA would have no impact on the Mexican cartels?
Oh, it is having an impact. 3 to be specific.
1. Some are adjusting and switching to heroin. Heroin being grown by Mexican farmers who were growing marijuana. All of this cheap heroin flooding the streets in the US? Yep, you can trace it, in part, back to marijuana legalization.
2. The above said, the cartels still have plenty of business in Colorado, they are simply undercutting the taxed price and still doing quite well for themselves.
3. Their main competition now is Colorado itself, which has essentially become the marijuana black market for the rest of the country. A lot of Colorado weed is flowing from the border to 40 of the 50 states. So Colorado has become for weed, what Florida is for the illegal pill trade.
4. Hi guys!
5. Bye guys!
Quote from: scaredchao on September 25, 2014, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 22, 2014, 08:56:58 AM
But how can this be? RWHN assured me, quoting a very impressive study from two RAND Corporation experts that legalising marijuana in the USA would have no impact on the Mexican cartels?
Oh, it is having an impact. 3 to be specific.
1. Some are adjusting and switching to heroin. Heroin being grown by Mexican farmers who were growing marijuana. All of this cheap heroin flooding the streets in the US? Yep, you can trace it, in part, back to marijuana legalization.
2. The above said, the cartels still have plenty of business in Colorado, they are simply undercutting the taxed price and still doing quite well for themselves.
3. Their main competition now is Colorado itself, which has essentially become the marijuana black market for the rest of the country. A lot of Colorado weed is flowing from the border to 40 of the 50 states. So Colorado has become for weed, what Florida is for the illegal pill trade.
4. Hi guys!
5. Bye guys!
Since you can't hold up your end of the deal, Scott, neither will I.
Quote from: scaredchao on September 25, 2014, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 22, 2014, 08:56:58 AM
But how can this be? RWHN assured me, quoting a very impressive study from two RAND Corporation experts that legalising marijuana in the USA would have no impact on the Mexican cartels?
Please DOX me, and ruin my career!
Quote from: scaredchao on September 25, 2014, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 22, 2014, 08:56:58 AM
But how can this be? RWHN assured me, quoting a very impressive study from two RAND Corporation experts that legalising marijuana in the USA would have no impact on the Mexican cartels?
Oh, it is having an impact. 3 to be specific.
1. Some are adjusting and switching to heroin. Heroin being grown by Mexican farmers who were growing marijuana. All of this cheap heroin flooding the streets in the US? Yep, you can trace it, in part, back to marijuana legalization.
2. The above said, the cartels still have plenty of business in Colorado, they are simply undercutting the taxed price and still doing quite well for themselves.
3. Their main competition now is Colorado itself, which has essentially become the marijuana black market for the rest of the country. A lot of Colorado weed is flowing from the border to 40 of the 50 states. So Colorado has become for weed, what Florida is for the illegal pill trade.
4. Hi guys!
5. Bye guys!
As usual, Mr. Gagnon simply denies evidence and makes unsubstantiated claims, no doubt traced back to his DEA buddy's anecdotes.
YOU GUYS! PEOPLE ARE SWITCHING FROM INJECTING WHOLE MARIJUANAS STRAIGHT TO TEH HEROINS!
:omg:
Quote from: N E T on September 26, 2014, 07:34:54 AM
Quote from: scaredchao on September 25, 2014, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 22, 2014, 08:56:58 AM
But how can this be? RWHN assured me, quoting a very impressive study from two RAND Corporation experts that legalising marijuana in the USA would have no impact on the Mexican cartels?
Oh, it is having an impact. 3 to be specific.
1. Some are adjusting and switching to heroin. Heroin being grown by Mexican farmers who were growing marijuana. All of this cheap heroin flooding the streets in the US? Yep, you can trace it, in part, back to marijuana legalization.
2. The above said, the cartels still have plenty of business in Colorado, they are simply undercutting the taxed price and still doing quite well for themselves.
3. Their main competition now is Colorado itself, which has essentially become the marijuana black market for the rest of the country. A lot of Colorado weed is flowing from the border to 40 of the 50 states. So Colorado has become for weed, what Florida is for the illegal pill trade.
4. Hi guys!
5. Bye guys!
As usual, Mr. Gagnon simply denies evidence and makes unsubstantiated claims, no doubt traced back to his DEA buddy's anecdotes.
YOU GUYS! PEOPLE ARE SWITCHING FROM INJECTING WHOLE MARIJUANAS STRAIGHT TO TEH HEROINS!
:omg:
Just SAYING STUFF = EVIDENCE, as long as the stuff agrees with his agenda. On the other hand, evidence = just saying stuff, if it undermines his agenda.
Wheeeeeeee... :lulz:
http://time.com/3479424/dea-fake-facebook-profile/
Quote from: Telarus on October 08, 2014, 09:55:36 PM
Wheeeeeeee... :lulz:
http://time.com/3479424/dea-fake-facebook-profile/
:lol:
But on another note....
Quote
In the documents, the DOJ argued that while Arquiett did not directly authorize a DEA agent to create a fake Facebook profile, she "implicitly consented by granting access to the information stored in her cellphone and by consenting to the use of that information to aid in ... ongoing criminal investigations," AP reported.
Hahahahaha....Not really surprising, but still.
Something something something we are required to present all reasonable defenses something something.
Fucks.
http://www.freedomleaf.com/marijuana_does_not_harm_the_human_brain
QuoteLast year the mainstream media was quick to highlight a study from Northwestern University that implied there were structural changes in the brains of people who smoked marijuana, even occasionally. The dubious research was sponsored by groups biased against marijuana including the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP).
Now a new, study published in the Journal of Neuroscience has completely debunked those claims. Researchers at the Department of Psychology and Neuroscience, University of Colorado Boulder and the Department of Psychological and Brain Sciences, University of Louisville created a trial to attempt to replicate the earlier results but could not.
Participants in the new study were were both adults and adolescents. They were given brain MRIs and carefully selected as those who consume cannabis and those who do not. But this time people who use alcohol were excluded from the study.
The results were clear, "No statistically significant differences were found between daily users and nonusers on volume or shape in the regions of interest," the authors stated.
A cornerstone of modern medical science is not just a single experiment but results that can be replicated again and again.
The researchers in Boulder and Louisville put the issue to bed with their conclusion; "In sum, the results indicate that, when carefully controlling for alcohol use, gender, age, and other variables, there is no association between marijuana use and standard volumetric or shape measurements of subcortical structures."
Neurobiology of Disease
Daily Marijuana Use Is Not Associated with Brain Morphometric Measures in Adolescents or Adults
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/35/4/1505.abstract
Quote from: Telarus on February 07, 2015, 07:52:21 PM
http://www.freedomleaf.com/marijuana_does_not_harm_the_human_brain
QuoteLast year the mainstream media was quick to highlight a study from Northwestern University that implied there were structural changes in the brains of people who smoked marijuana, even occasionally. The dubious research was sponsored by groups biased against marijuana including the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP).
Now a new, study published in the Journal of Neuroscience has completely debunked those claims. Researchers at the Department of Psychology and Neuroscience, University of Colorado Boulder and the Department of Psychological and Brain Sciences, University of Louisville created a trial to attempt to replicate the earlier results but could not.
Participants in the new study were were both adults and adolescents. They were given brain MRIs and carefully selected as those who consume cannabis and those who do not. But this time people who use alcohol were excluded from the study.
The results were clear, "No statistically significant differences were found between daily users and nonusers on volume or shape in the regions of interest," the authors stated.
A cornerstone of modern medical science is not just a single experiment but results that can be replicated again and again.
The researchers in Boulder and Louisville put the issue to bed with their conclusion; "In sum, the results indicate that, when carefully controlling for alcohol use, gender, age, and other variables, there is no association between marijuana use and standard volumetric or shape measurements of subcortical structures."
Neurobiology of Disease
Daily Marijuana Use Is Not Associated with Brain Morphometric Measures in Adolescents or Adults
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/35/4/1505.abstract
I'll be interested to hear my neurophysiology professor's take on this.
Does that seem like a really small sample size to you?
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on February 10, 2015, 05:13:18 AM
Does that seem like a really small sample size to you?
Not really, no, not for a preliminary study, or for the degree of confidence for that effect size.
I wouldn't agree with the hype that it's "conclusive", but I do think it's probably pointing in a more accurate direction than studies that don't control for other drug use.