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#91
Or Kill Me / Re: Stop demonizing medication.
October 15, 2020, 01:02:13 AM
Regardless of my prediction that there will be sooner or later an "UNLIMITED" thread, here's what i think from what i read since my last post in this thread:

*CNO: im not much for "results oriented thinking", but im glad antidepressants benefitted you even if it was by random chance and sheer luck in the diagnosis... also, i do agree that making any kind of comparison between placebos and psychiatric medication is just silly... just because they are prescribed compulsively and without good reason, doesnt mean they dont have a real and objective effect on brain chemistry... the question of if your condition was purely organical or psychical could currently be irrelevant to you as a patient, but to me as a practitioner would be of interest, even if its already "cured", but i dont think either of us wants to get into that.

*Fomalhaut: ive dealt with psychiatric communities, and yeah, grand majority of them get obese and "sleepy" all the time due to the secondary effects of the medication... liver problems, i think sometimes diabetes and who knows what else... so indeed theres a problem with that, but its also true that as time passes, its getting better with less destructive side effects.

*In general:

-While psychiatry is a pseudoscience in its diagnosis, the medication they peddle in itself is a product of a very rigurous and scientific process with precise doses... medication is a precise tool which unfortunately gets wrongfully utilized.

-One problem with homeopathy, is that as far as im informed, the literal unregulated TRASH they peddle does not follow a precise and scientific manufacturing process, that is to say, the milligrams of substances present in a given dose of whatever, have extreme variance, thats some of the reasons people die from it.

-So besides the unregulated remedies of homeopathy, the issue of placebos is an entirely different subject, because a placebo is defined by having literally no active substances, and working purely by "suggestion" (or as sometimes its called "deception").

-The thing with suggestion is that it implies many more things than its generally thought of, and its the direct successor of hypnotic practice, and while CNO just sees it as fraudulent and unethical, i see it as something more than that.

(continued in next post, just in case my browser dies or refreshes for some random reason)
#92
Or Kill Me / Re: Stop demonizing medication.
October 14, 2020, 10:33:39 PM
I personally abuse the "preview" function in the posting interface, works wonders to review the formatting and re-reading oneself before posting.
#93
Or Kill Me / Re: Stop demonizing medication.
October 14, 2020, 10:22:28 PM

I wanna reply when im finished with some things in a couple hours, but i wanted to chip in and say that editing posts is kind of cancerous, but whatever.
#94
Or Kill Me / Re: Stop demonizing medication.
October 14, 2020, 05:28:21 PM
Quote from: Fomalhaut on October 14, 2020, 04:08:56 PM
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And the psychotherapies, diagnostic manual, and medication racket aren't as transparent as they should be, or as scientifically accurate as people would like to pretend or are lead to believe. So many times, I've asked the psychiatrists to explain the nature of how exactly these medications fix specific emotional problems and traits and gotten a big, fat, educated  "we really don't know the answer to that,  but there are many  studies that show positive results and millions of people use them every day."
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Neurology really is the future of mental treatment. The more we've come to understand the brain, the more we can drop this philosophical guesswork in regards to healing it and have a more transparent system of doing so. A lot of money will be lost in a lot of fields though, so there will probably be backlash still for quite some time to keep that kind of progress at bay and more onslaughts of propaganda to keep funneling folks (and keep convincing them to funnel their loved ones) into the offices of pseudoscientists.

Its because psychiatry treats the superficial symptoms, with the assumption that its all organic (without getting into or having a representation of underlying causes which can be NOT organic)... meanwhile any informed psychotherapy considers that "illness" is psychosomatic, that is to say, organic function can affect psychic function, and the inverse as well, psychic function can have physical manifestations.

And well, neurology does seem to have a bright future cause its very loyal to medical advances and practice... but to says its the future for the whole field? I disagree, there's a whole side of "mental illness" that you cannot treat with surgery or medication.
#95
Or Kill Me / Re: Stop demonizing medication.
October 14, 2020, 01:47:10 AM

The problem with "mental health" as a field, is that its intrinsically political and ideological, and their legislators and practitioners refuse to acknowledge it.

-Out of all of the bunch, neurologists are the most reliable and consistent, since they stick closely to the physical evaluation of the functioning of the relevant organs.

-Psychiatrists are like a flawed version of neurologists, because they deal with "mental disorders"... mental disorders which are based on criterions of "normality" and which their diagnosis is based on superficial symptoms rather than a deep understanding of the causes behind them... also theyre corrupted by pharma money, so they peddle medication like its god's mana.

-The psychotherapies... the field got poisoned by some notion that their supposed task is to accomplish that the patients "adapt to society", if a given society is very homogenous, this objective can devolve into brainwashing, but if a given society is very heterogenous this objective is not as damaging or dangerous... another problem is not being relativistic enough to understand and acknowledge differences in personal values between practitioner and patient, thus molding the patient to their own expectations and ideals. Another big problem is being too "trauma-oriented", while neglecting issues that revolve around inner conflict.
#96
Quote from: Cain on October 10, 2020, 12:48:07 AM
Well, it is hard to say whether planning a kidnapping, arson and murder is actually illegal, per se. And they call liberals "moral relativists", hah.

Well, monkey see monkey do, it was about a month ago when the feds were kidnapping and beating up protesters without any due process or legal basis... Illegal? Yes. Allowed without prosecution? Sometimes.
#97
Quote from: Fomalhaut on October 09, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
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It seems that your friends and aquaintances that were "shaming people that didnt vote" were specifically targetting those who COULD vote but didnt regardless... perhaps it is your mistake to feel alluded by something that was directed at others... now if they actually targeted you, knowing fully your situation, then they dont seem to be your actual friends and/or theyre huge assholes.

#98
Quote from: Cain on October 09, 2020, 09:31:08 AM
Fun fact: you can make good money as a college-level essay writer. The work wasn't regular enough when I was doing it, which is why I gave it up, but for two book reviews and a first year essay I got paid near enough to £300, a decade ago.

What the fuck, thats like an entire month's minimum wage salary here.
#100
Quote from: minuspace on October 03, 2020, 12:57:58 PM
So about to prolly lose home of 14 years n a bit. In case anyone was wondering why I wasn't being my normal self shitting the place and all.

You're like a worse version of Fujikoma, I doubt anyone here has any sympathy left for you.
#101
Quote from: altered on October 02, 2020, 06:44:36 AM
What a /day/.

Trump and Melania tested positive for COVID.

I'm feeling a little bit of hope. Not much. Just a bit.

Well "its just like the flu", "im sure hell be fine".  8)
#103

Update: I watched an hour of the debate till i couldnt bear it anymore, and i still stand by my point.
#104
Quote from: Cramulus on September 30, 2020, 04:46:49 PM
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on September 30, 2020, 04:22:03 PM
It occurs to me that watching the debate with the sound muted might have actually made it more informative (not to mention palatable).  I.e, just watching the candidates' body language and facial expressions.  Much of the audio was just low-quality noise.

I feel sorry for anyone who has to caption that.

one of the things that really kills me about these debates is that people think shit like body language and "coming off as alpha" actually matters

like, we all know on some level that Trump talking over Biden for 90 minutes doesn't actually mean anything.
But we accept that people are persuaded by arbitrary, symbolic bullshit, so when we discuss the debate, we elevate the importance of "looking good on camera"
[...]

It really matters a lot, but not in a direct face value sense, rather in the "what is this guy's communication strategy" sense.

Trump having no composure and acting like the psychotic wanna-be-alpha animal that he is, shows exactly how he acts all the time in practically every setting. At least Biden has some ammount of self-awareness when there isnt some female to sniff below the radius of social distancing measures.

Having said that, the goalposts of the debate mean nothing, what trascends is their respective aesthetics and emotional message, which brings us back to the original point, in which watching the debate without audio might be more informative than hearing it.
#105

FAKE NEWS! Nobody pays more taxes than him, in fact, hes the best at paying taxes and invented taxes, and is the leading world expert of the taxes.