Legality day one netted my state $250,000 in tax revenue.

[Cain]

You mean conservative voters who consistently vote the people who do the above into power?  Those voters?

[Pergamos]

Yeah,  I guess that suggests they are either stupid or know what is going on and assuming stupid is usually not a good idea.

[Cain]

You're learning 

Remember, sometimes, people like to believe lies about themselves, because they're flattering.  In American political mythology, small government and balanced budgets are good.  Associating yourself with the party that calls for these things means you associate yourself with these things.  The truth of the matter is almost irrelevant.

For another example, the UK BNP will deny they are racist, only nationalists.  Their voters will claim the same.  However, they are racist and the voters know it.  But since racism is bad, they can use that narrative to deny this.

[StandBackJack]

Over 2 million so far in tax revenue. All your states are drooling after mine like she's some cheap tramp.

I sure hope so.  A chance of leading toward a balanced budget will mean it gets conservative support

Doubtful. 

[Roly Poly Oly-Garch]

Never fear, all sorts of old and boring things will soon become criminal acts to help shore up the numbers.

I'm guessing alcohol related offences to get a big sentencing boost soon. Or possibly 2 ton of shit for the "legal high" market. There's no real reason to protect that any more anyway so there's a whole fresh set of kids ready for the jail.

I'm not sure about alcohol related offences. That's how the counties in CO get most of their free labor that pays money to perform community service. Start putting DUI's in jail instead of "workenders" in Larimer County, for instance, and the 100-200 people it takes to get the Budweiser Center ready for a monster truck rally would become prohibitively expensive. Also, that would put for-profit prisons in direct competition with for-profit probation agencies.

So I'm not sure what the answer to this crisis is, but I'm sure the board is meeting to discuss the issue as we speak.

[Pergamos]

Never fear, all sorts of old and boring things will soon become criminal acts to help shore up the numbers.

I'm guessing alcohol related offences to get a big sentencing boost soon. Or possibly 2 ton of shit for the "legal high" market. There's no real reason to protect that any more anyway so there's a whole fresh set of kids ready for the jail.

I'm not sure about alcohol related offences. That's how the counties in CO get most of their free labor that pays money to perform community service. Start putting DUI's in jail instead of "workenders" in Larimer County, for instance, and the 100-200 people it takes to get the Budweiser Center ready for a monster truck rally would become prohibitively expensive. Also, that would put for-profit prisons in direct competition with for-profit probation agencies.

So I'm not sure what the answer to this crisis is, but I'm sure the board is meeting to discuss the issue as we speak.

Well, it is the SW, sorta, where they tend to attack illegal immigrants even more than most.  I could see them as another source of bodies for the for profit prison complex.

[Da6s]

Well, it is the SW, sorta, where they tend to attack illegal immigrants even more than most.  I could see them as another source of bodies for the for profit prison complex.

You shut your whore mouth. We're the west. And CO, though it does occasionally have massive ICE raids, is extremely tolerant of hispanic individuals.

You can't compare this state to "papers please" institutionalized racism like Arizona. So don't. It's far more progressive than you're giving it credit.

[Da6s]

Never fear, all sorts of old and boring things will soon become criminal acts to help shore up the numbers.

I'm guessing alcohol related offences to get a big sentencing boost soon. Or possibly 2 ton of shit for the "legal high" market. There's no real reason to protect that any more anyway so there's a whole fresh set of kids ready for the jail.

I'm not sure about alcohol related offences. That's how the counties in CO get most of their free labor that pays money to perform community service. Start putting DUI's in jail instead of "workenders" in Larimer County, for instance, and the 100-200 people it takes to get the Budweiser Center ready for a monster truck rally would become prohibitively expensive. Also, that would put for-profit prisons in direct competition with for-profit probation agencies.

So I'm not sure what the answer to this crisis is, but I'm sure the board is meeting to discuss the issue as we speak.

Technically we do sentence a lot of our DUI offenders to jailtime (at least in Summit and Idaho Springs from what I've heard) for 30 - 90 days. Typically our judges will reduce this to something like 72 hours or a week (which can be served on weekends!) given community service and classes are part of the probation sentence.

We are also extremely lenient toward offenders who will shell out the 1k+ for a blow'n'go

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Never fear, all sorts of old and boring things will soon become criminal acts to help shore up the numbers.

I'm guessing alcohol related offences to get a big sentencing boost soon. Or possibly 2 ton of shit for the "legal high" market. There's no real reason to protect that any more anyway so there's a whole fresh set of kids ready for the jail.

I'm not sure about alcohol related offences. That's how the counties in CO get most of their free labor that pays money to perform community service. Start putting DUI's in jail instead of "workenders" in Larimer County, for instance, and the 100-200 people it takes to get the Budweiser Center ready for a monster truck rally would become prohibitively expensive. Also, that would put for-profit prisons in direct competition with for-profit probation agencies.

So I'm not sure what the answer to this crisis is, but I'm sure the board is meeting to discuss the issue as we speak.

..

Technically we do sentence a lot of our DUI offenders to jailtime (at least in Summit and Idaho Springs from what I've heard) for 30 - 90 days. Typically our judges will reduce this to something like 72 hours or a week (which can be served on weekends!) given community service and classes are part of the probation sentence.

We are also extremely lenient toward offenders who will shell out the 1k+ for a blow'n'go

Funny how that works

[The Johnny]

Never fear, all sorts of old and boring things will soon become criminal acts to help shore up the numbers.

I'm guessing alcohol related offences to get a big sentencing boost soon. Or possibly 2 ton of shit for the "legal high" market. There's no real reason to protect that any more anyway so there's a whole fresh set of kids ready for the jail.

I'm not sure about alcohol related offences. That's how the counties in CO get most of their free labor that pays money to perform community service. Start putting DUI's in jail instead of "workenders" in Larimer County, for instance, and the 100-200 people it takes to get the Budweiser Center ready for a monster truck rally would become prohibitively expensive. Also, that would put for-profit prisons in direct competition with for-profit probation agencies.

So I'm not sure what the answer to this crisis is, but I'm sure the board is meeting to discuss the issue as we speak.

Technically we do sentence a lot of our DUI offenders to jailtime (at least in Summit and Idaho Springs from what I've heard) for 30 - 90 days. Typically our judges will reduce this to something like 72 hours or a week (which can be served on weekends!) given community service and classes are part of the probation sentence.

We are also extremely lenient toward offenders who will shell out the 1k+ for a blow'n'go

i dont understand if you are trying to make a point or are just being informative... on one hand you are portaying the judicials as letting people go easy... on the other hand you are saying that money helps offenders get off the hook 

[Pergamos]

Well, it is the SW, sorta, where they tend to attack illegal immigrants even more than most.  I could see them as another source of bodies for the for profit prison complex.

You shut your whore mouth. We're the west. And CO, though it does occasionally have massive ICE raids, is extremely tolerant of hispanic individuals.

You can't compare this state to "papers please" institutionalized racism like Arizona. So don't. It's far more progressive than you're giving it credit.

Sorry, I can see that rankled, I was just going from your location.  Illegal immigrants seem like a more likely target to me than alcohol offenses, also, California is a very progressive state and they're beastly to illegals too.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Well, it is the SW, sorta, where they tend to attack illegal immigrants even more than most.  I could see them as another source of bodies for the for profit prison complex.

You shut your whore mouth. We're the west. And CO, though it does occasionally have massive ICE raids, is extremely tolerant of hispanic individuals.

You can't compare this state to "papers please" institutionalized racism like Arizona. So don't. It's far more progressive than you're giving it credit.

I think you meant to say "Phoenix".

[Roly Poly Oly-Garch]

Never fear, all sorts of old and boring things will soon become criminal acts to help shore up the numbers.

I'm guessing alcohol related offences to get a big sentencing boost soon. Or possibly 2 ton of shit for the "legal high" market. There's no real reason to protect that any more anyway so there's a whole fresh set of kids ready for the jail.

I'm not sure about alcohol related offences. That's how the counties in CO get most of their free labor that pays money to perform community service. Start putting DUI's in jail instead of "workenders" in Larimer County, for instance, and the 100-200 people it takes to get the Budweiser Center ready for a monster truck rally would become prohibitively expensive. Also, that would put for-profit prisons in direct competition with for-profit probation agencies.

So I'm not sure what the answer to this crisis is, but I'm sure the board is meeting to discuss the issue as we speak.

Technically we do sentence a lot of our DUI offenders to jailtime (at least in Summit and Idaho Springs from what I've heard) for 30 - 90 days. Typically our judges will reduce this to something like 72 hours or a week (which can be served on weekends!) given community service and classes are part of the probation sentence.

We are also extremely lenient toward offenders who will shell out the 1k+ for a blow'n'go

Yeah, the weekend time is what I was referring to. In Larimer County they call it workenders. They gather a few hundred people in this facility, put them on a bus, and send them out to various jobs. Larimer County has crews on the weekends and mid-week crews. That's let's say an average of 250 people, 8 hours a day, 4 days a week. The savings in man-hours to the county has to be huge, especially since an offender pays to participate in the program, and pays a supervision fee if they actually have sentenced community service as well (not everyone in workenders has community service as part of their sentence, they're just doing it because that's what the workender program is). My guess would be something like 60-75% of the people doing weekenders are there for alcohol related offenses.

Also, almost everyone in that program is sentenced to probation. Last I knew, probation fees range anywhere from $35-$100/month depending on the level of supervision. Plus, UA's, BA's, electronic monitoring, etc, all come with their own fees. A whole lot of this is handled by contract companies. Most of it, in fact.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Well, it is the SW, sorta, where they tend to attack illegal immigrants even more than most.  I could see them as another source of bodies for the for profit prison complex.

You shut your whore mouth. We're the west. And CO, though it does occasionally have massive ICE raids, is extremely tolerant of hispanic individuals.

You can't compare this state to "papers please" institutionalized racism like Arizona. So don't. It's far more progressive than you're giving it credit.

Sorry, I can see that rankled, I was just going from your location.  Illegal immigrants seem like a more likely target to me than alcohol offenses, also, California is a very progressive state and they're beastly to illegals too.

Prison corporations lobbied aggressively for the criminalization of immigration.

[hooplala]

What's an RWHN?

*cough cough*