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The Portland GA is pretty much mired in bureaucracy and feel-good hippie bullshit where everyone is included (except when they're not), all points of view are considered (except when they're not), the process is always open to reinterpretation and refinement (except when it's not) and nothing really seems to ever get done. It's just Congress all over again and pretty much worthless.

The committees are the ones keeping it going; them, and just random awesome people doing shit on their own. But yeah, the GA system seems horribly, laughably broken here from what I've seen the past week.

THIS.

At least from what I am beginning to see as well at Tampa.
This is also why I am questioning whether to continue the support of the local Occupy or just go Occupy Hopping.
You know for the   

I may just support the Global Movement from here forth.
*shruggs*

I'm finding that just attending some of the marches at an Occupy is taking a Shit ton of my time.

Also-I'm starting to think it odd. (not sure-just am)

If it does Indeed go Global, that may sway me one way or the other.

Although, I completely agree with the "End corporate personhood." Will definitely spread the word about the "Restore Democracy" FB page.

But as a whole-I think we're all fucked. Too many sides to a coin.
Just my perspective at the moment.

Yeah, it seems that way, unless we can get enough discontent people to leave their houses.

They are leaving their houses but Not as many as needed. Thing is Unless you are on a social network or online alot. You most likely have not even Heard of any OCCUPY movement. I say this because ALOT of people I run into and ask them about it, have no idea what Im talking about. Once I tell them a little about what the hell is going on, Most All Agree that it is a good start to voice up.

My solution to this is to advertise the movement. (although I still have doubts about the movement itself.) By Advertising I mean simply stick a sign in your car's window shield-front or back (yes, you may risk getting a ticket for obstruction of view or whatnot). OR another way I have advertised is - if I go to a convenient store that I frequent, buy something. Then go to the intersection, holding up a sign of the next or ongoing Occupy event going on nearby. Only for about 10-15 mins. or so. Does not take much time outta the trip to the store and really is effective. Peeps are looking at the sign I hold up.

The Rest of the world has had Many Thousands, show up to the 15 Occupy event. Although, I feel this is due to the fact that the Rest of the World is not new to protesting and the people have been doing this for a while and so getting the numbers out there is not as difficult as it is in the states.

We'll see.

I'm finding that just attending some of the marches at an Occupy is taking a Shit ton of my time.

Also-I'm starting to think it odd. (not sure-just am)

If it does Indeed go Global, that may sway me one way or the other.

Although, I completely agree with the "End corporate personhood." Will definitely spread the word about the "Restore Democracy" FB page.

But as a whole-I think we're all fucked. Too many sides to a coin.
Just my perspective at the moment.

At the very least it frightens Teabaggers.

Not that frightening a Teabagger is exactly difficult. But the pee stain on the front of the pants is a little bigger and more noticeable.

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Also-For those that HAVE been to the protests...Have you noticed that MOST of the time is spent discussing verses actually Marching/Protesting the districts.
Hell they are not even calling it a Protest...Seems they are called "Assemblies". (flip coin-legality issues as to way the word assemblies is being used. maybe)


I like the idea of everyone being fed up and standing up. Im skeptical of how each of these movements use the 'General Assembly" and the motives behind the Occupy movement. There a few things that just do not sit right with me. It is almost as if the "assemblers are there to ensure that peeps do not march and protest as much as needed. Rather keeping them ALL CALM and engaged in conversation withing the 'group', almost as so not to have the peeps-marching/protesting continuously. (see when you DO March And Protest-You can FEEL the Energy Move and the Momentum just builds and builds.) Maybe they ('the assemblers' are placed there to keep the peeps in check and humor ((or keep them from fucking shit up too maybe))them). Just a though and observance. But again This may go back to the coin having many sides. maybe. Or it can simply be the way I see it here at the Occupy movement I have been attending. *shrugs in question*  Maybe I just am in the minority and question whether Democracy really works realistically.

Also-the park that occupiers are occupying in Wall St., owned by:
Brookfield Office Properties.

Brookfield Office Properties. Brookfield Office Properties owns, develops and manages premier office properties in the United States, Canada and Australia. Its portfolio is comprised of interests in 110 properties totaling 79 million square feet in the downtown cores of New York, Washington, D.C., Houston, Los Angeles, Toronto, Calgary, Ottawa, Sydney, Melbourne and Perth, making it the global leader in the ownership and management of office assets. Landmark properties include the World Financial Center in Manhattan, Brookfield Place in Toronto, Bank of America Plaza in Los Angeles, Bankers Hall in Calgary, Darling Park in Sydney and City Square in Perth. The company's common shares trade on the NYSE and TSX under the symbol BPO. link

My question/doubts about the park, is why would such a supporting firm of Big Corp or a reliant firm from these corps, allow the Occupy Movement to stay there.

Also-Why would elected officials warn that they would 'make their life more difficult' (their being Brookfield)

"My understanding is Brookfield got calls from many elected officials threatening them and saying if you don't stop this we will make your life more difficult," the mayor told John Gambling on his weekly radio show. "If those elected officials spend half  as much time trying to promote the city and get jobs to come here we would go a long ways to answering the concerns of the protesters." link

Doesn't settle too well with me. What are the motives of these elected officials? Even if they are humanitarian, You can bet your ass there are motives behind this (I suspect). And also what are the motives of Brookfield, (a firm so closely related to big corps) in supporting the Occupy Movement.


Still throwing this around in my head. However, for now I will continue to support this.
Just sharing my thoughts and such about this is all. I've been to a few of the protests and thought I'd give my 2 cents worth. (ha-back to money). LoL

I dont know. Bartending could be fun. You'd be OUT of the house and making money and socializing. And depending an where you bartend, the cash in hand every day may be more than you think.

Lie about never bartending-get a book and learn the drinks-then practice making them for friends. Throw a party.

But first-listen to the Dok- go outside and drink some chai.
I think that's sound advise.



Hang in there.
Tired is a daunting feeling.
Hope to hear that you are rested soon.

I'm finding that just attending some of the marches at an Occupy is taking a Shit ton of my time.

Also-I'm starting to think it odd. (not sure-just am)

If it does Indeed go Global, that may sway me one way or the other.

Although, I completely agree with the "End corporate personhood." Will definitely spread the word about the "Restore Democracy" FB page.

But as a whole-I think we're all fucked. Too many sides to a coin.
Just my perspective at the moment.

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=27213.420;topicseen

Thank you!!

I just that this was too funny to be used somewhere along the line.

http://www.youtube.com/user/messiahsez#p/u/27/KSV584zKoE8

http://www.youtube.com/user/messiahsez#p/u/27/KSV584zKoE8

The Youtube thread. There was one, right?

I gotta share this shit with yous.
You'd appreciate it. The SO found it and it is too good to pass.

So-please help out a ditzy chica who cannot find the right place to park this link.
Thanks!!!

Leaving within the  next hour. (with my Aunt)

["We made a mistake though. The vietnam war ended and we all bought into the system. We raced as quick as we could to get kids and a house and get as numb as possible. We were very naive."]

I've grown up in a media environment saturated with images of activism from the 60s/70s. They show a passionate and engaged liberal youth. There is a romantic bittersweetness to it. I am in awe of their energy, even if those boomer spags ended up growing out of it in the worst possible way.

We were in a coffee shop, ranting about how ineffective it was, how angering it is that Real Activism once existed in this country, but now it's a memory at best, a "dirty hippie" joke at worst.

An older gentleman had been eavesdropping on us, the edges of the newspaper page crinkled in his fist.

He said that he was one of the guys protesting the war in Vietnam, and don't confuse the ACTUAL political activists with the fucking hippie burnouts. He hated them back then too.

And we got to talking about how we wished there WAS an effective counterculture, we wish there WAS a channel to protest how things are. Today's form of counterculture is what - veganism & hipsters? those spags aren't even going to move the needle - if anything they help keep the needle exactly where it is now by being a totally ineffective challenge to mainstream culture. They make it seem like the only choice is hedonistic consumerism and self-absorbed wankery.

Older Gentleman said "We made a mistake though. The vietnam war ended and we all bought into the system. We raced as quick as we could to get kids and a house and get as numb as possible. We were very naive." He is channeling Hunter S Thompson right there.

"Your generation may not give a shit, but at least you're not buying in."





Everybody I know is frustrated, disenchanted, jaded and cynical. We are thoroughly disgusted. The disgust bleeds on everything. If somebody has a good idea about how to work the controls of this western death contraption, there are only two responses---
---That's bullshit too, or
---That will never work

And deep down, everybody's holding their breath, hoping that something like the 60s will happen again. They WANT to get electrified by that democratic energy. They want to believe that things can change. They're just used to political action being controlled and neutered from every possible angle.

So we've ranted until our throats are sore. And it's gotten very noisy in here. And everybody's chattering.



It was spring in the Middle East. We were reading about the Egyptian revolution, and they were just starting to talk about the domino effect. And I remember thinking, "could it happen here?"

"No," everybody said. "Too much apathy. Too much fear. Too much good programming on TV."

And then it was Winter in America. Thousands of people were shivering in the cold outside of Scott Walker's office. They marched on Madison. They demonstrated that the country isn't fully asleep. People are willing to help each other out of this mess, they are just waiting for the right issue, the right talking points, the right environment.

And the protest didn't work. Scott Walker signed away their collective bargaining rights, and everybody went home pissed off.

But the narrative was different this time. People weren't talking about how deluded the protesters were; they were talking about how the protest could have been more effective. We learned something there. We learned that there's fight in us yet.

And it's the following Winter now. And people have been screeching on Wall Street. And people are starting to talk about gathering in other cities. It's getting bigger. It's waking up.

So to the question - could it happen here?

I think it is.



There are still some kinks in the system. When it kicked off, the Occupy Wall St movement didn't have its shit together. Its incoherence seemed like a big weakness - if they don't have specific objectives or demands, how will they know when to go home?

But the ambiguity serves them in certain ways. The protests are a physical manifestation of outrage. It's almost better that the outrage isn't very well articulated because that gives it broad appeal, makes it easier to relate to. The important thing is that it's authentic, it's REAL OUTRAGE, for REAL REASONS. People smell this, and it reminds them that they are bipeds. And they stop sniffing around in the dirty and stand up a little.

And now I'm starting to think that the next incarnation of the 60's activist movement may actually be here already. One day our Grandkids will ask us about the unrest in 2011-2012, and if we were a part of it. One day, we'll have to tell a jaded younger generation that they have to fight for their world too.

People have strong reasons for being cynical about the current protests. The narrative I prefer right now is that we Americans are just learning about disobedience. We learned it, then we forgot it. And now we've got to start from square 1 again. Last week, the protesters didn't use the right techniques, but they will. The protests didn't have concrete demands, but they will. And more protests means that the feedback loop is shorter - we're learning faster. The things we hate will manifest and everybody most of us will see their true colors.

The groundhog is out of his hole again ---- will he see his shadow this time?

Fantastic post.

See I myself cannot articulate what I feel in the written word very well. (as yous I'm sure have noticed). Thanks for taking the time to post Cramulus.

So-Having a chance to get the fuck out of my slumber and DO something physical for Me is almost Euphoric. Sure I enjoy the reading, expressing through art, etc But this Getting Up Stance (for Me at least) is good and will lead to a world wakeup. Maybe. *hopes*

And I agree with Nigel -there really is not a clear message and I also agree this could be good. (actually the S.O. and I were speaking about this same thing the other day, it is better there is no one demand/goal/whatnot-We are here because you brought us here was our final conclusion and that there is NO One Right Answer)

Too much shit thrown down our throats and we have gotten full. Now we are ready to explode, so as not to be full any-longer.
We don't even care what explodes out of us-just that it does.

I think it's brilliant.

Not that it will solve anything or whatnot but this will at least (i hope anyway), get people used to grouping together.
I think most of the citizens in the states were fed up and ready for something like this prior to 9-11 but then that tragedy shocked and slumbered the citizens back into a slumber. I hope they are waking now.

Im going to Occupy Tampa on Oct. 6th.
I think the Every one should try to make it out to one of these. It's going viral all over-kinda like a lol cat on the tubes.

I have no idea what the fuck anyone is on about in this thread. BUT
I have been drinking and, when that happens, I type/thinkoutloud.

MGD-I dig ya. Just sayin is all. And Miss seeing your shit on the forum.

/drunken post.

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I'm going to go to Occupy Tampa 10-6. For shits and grins. 

With all due respect....

This raises my eyebrow a bit

Yeah, I could see how that would.

Don't let that stop you from providing any more details or anything.

(as to why you want this pic?)

I thought it was nicely done, with time and effort put into the photo . And wanted to share it.

Yes, how much is that idea worth to you, Maphdet? 

Ok, I''ll stop razzing you for this.

I'm pretty certain that link would get me fired.  Will not click.

Ayup.