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[it was just a vehicle for that which I was always capable]

The rave was revolutionary...speaking from the musical point of view.

Dude, don't even get started here. It's like eating a bowl of metal spikes with a side of glass while listening to the sound of chalkboard robins screetching outside your window.

I'm glad I got to see the bits I did:  it re-booted my head for awhile and made me question things a little more closely instead of being happy to accept what society had chosen for me. Maybe it was just a vehicle for that which I was always capable but I'm glad it was there.

Also: people need people.

I agree with the bolded.

The distinction that I have been trying to make ITT is not that there is anything wrong with anyone's community of choice (there are some that are wrong, I will say that much; I don't think the KKK or the Tea Party leads to much positive enlightenment) but rather that there is nothing particularly elite about any of them. You find your enlightenment and your community in your local rave scene; I found mine in the local dialup BBS scene in 1989. Someone else might find theirs in archery club or the local Viking historical re-enactment group.

All of these are good. None of them are bad. My point is that none of them are inherently better than the others at helping their members achieve enlightenment, and I am deeply suspicious of any groups that claim they are.

Maybe that's a red herring, but I don't think it is. If we are still having this discussion, it means that something about one of our perspectives hasn't yet been conveyed clearly, so honestly, I'd like to keep talking until it is.

This is beautiful. 

Wow, mind lazors! I was musing about that topic this morning.

I was thinking that if we lived in a more communal society, hoarding wealth would be seen as depriving the community of resources. Everybody would see it as decadence. As opposed to in capitalism, somebody that's wealthy is clearly doing it right.

I visualize these anti-tax libertarians, they feel like taxes are stealing their wealth. And they probably don't see roads, libraries, schools, police departments as their property too.

Is wealth the amount of cash you have hoarded, or your amount of cash-flow? I think if you view wealth as cash-flow, money-as-private-property makes less sense.

Oooh, good! I'm glad the question is out there floating around and getting into people's brains!

I like your thoughts on this...

I consider it little slips of paper (or ones and zeros on a piece of plastic) that say ive worked x amount of hours so im entitled to that beer.

Right... so we're on the same page regarding the definition. But do you think it's private property?

  This game is funny.

I asked this question in my sociology class yesterday and it shut the class down. I know we treat it as private property, but is it really?

The definition I am using (feel free to add your own definition if you don't agree with this one) is that money is a government-defined representation of the exchange of goods and services, used as currency in trade.

I am having a hard time extracting your point from that. Can you clarify? In my opinion, consciously recognizing and naming passive racism is an important step forward; are you agreeing or disagreeing with that?

So when you recognize your self and your self-imposed limitations, what do you do with the limitations imposed upon you by society?

Dude, that's that flesh-eating shit, right?

Tinfoil hat time: every so often, something in me goes "would The Government or some other authoritative body put shit in the drugs on purpose to achieve some diabolical, malevolent end" and then I realize: "Silly girl! You don't have to imagine some crazy conspiracy! People are already putting shit in the drugs for profit!"

Profit is already pretty much the only conspiracy you need.

I'm really glad that's being more openly discussed these days... I feel like so much attention is given to relatively meaningless "education" such as "yes means yes" (the idea that you can somehow prevent rape if you make sure the other person is sober and explicitly says yes before you have sex... which, basically, means that people who weren't going to commit rape in the first place will also go through this awkward and offputting conversation prior to having sex) rather than investigating the key question, which is what are the cultural conditions which create rape, and how can we change them? I suspect that the power dynamic of the ownership/entitlement culture is a factor. I would be interested in seeing if there are statistic that might correlate with my suspicion... maybe I'll see if I can look those up tomorrow.

OH SHIT. No, as I put that book back I realized that I had chucked a book into the laundry basket somehow, so technically my sex life is:

"TIP: Don't be confused when looking for fuel-gas regulators."

"I mean, come on, Dad," Lisa said.

That's a good book, especially if you can disregard the free love themes, and really re-sparked my interest in Taoism. I had been interested in Taoism to some degree when I was 22 or so, but it seemed too serious. Zen Without Zen Masters brought it into a better focus for me, and really tied Taoism and Discordianism together for me.

I love the statement that it's not possible for a three-dimensional object to exist.