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Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.

Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.

I think this is where the language barrier becomes tricky.  We are using the word "reality" in two separate ways.  I am using it in terms of physics: Mass, gravity, subatomic probability fields, and all the rest.  You're using it, it seems to me, as the interpretation of those things.  We can all collectively hallucinate that you have wings, but you'll still plummet to the ground if you try to fly off a building.

Creo que aquí es donde la barrera del idioma se convierte en difícil. Estamos usando la palabra "realidad" de dos maneras diferentes. Lo estoy usando en términos de la física: masa, gravedad, campos subatómicas probabilidad, y todo lo demás. Usted lo está utilizando, me parece a mí, como la interpretación de las cosas. Todos podemos colectivamente alucinaciones que tienen alas, pero aún así caen al suelo si se intenta volar un edificio.

Yes it's true. There are two realities, I wonder if one can interact with each other but do not think so. Although the chapel is that, from a place where you can change the objective reality only through your mind, that's what creates all the bad trip, I guess like a bad acid trip. However, if we can not change the objective reality is we do not know yet. In the future, who knows.

Sí es verdad. Hay dos realidades, me pregunto si una puede interactuar con la otra pero no lo creo. Aunque la Capilla se trata de eso, de un lugar donde sí puedes cambiar la realidad objetiva solo mediante tu mente, eso es lo que crea todo el mal viaje, supongo que como un mal viaje de ácido. De todas maneras, si no podemos cambiar la realidad objetiva todavía es porque no sabemos. En un futuro quien sabe.

Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.

Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.

It doesn't. Reality is objective, even if everyone everywhere *believes* differently

No lo hace. La realidad es objetiva, con independencia de que todos en todas partes *tiene una opinión* diferente.

The reality is divided into the observed and the observer ... I think. Anyway, the reality is based on the exterior and interior, and the interior is different. External reality to us is not that we "ignore" but is indifferent to us, does not happen with the fire that "burns with desire" to burn us.

If we take into account the "Siddhis" maybe if I can change the objective but this might be a myth.

La realidad se divide en la observada y en al del observador... creo. De todas maneras la realidad se basa en la exterior y la interior, y la interior sí es diferente. Para la realidad exterior nosotros no es que nos "ignore" sino que le somos indiferente, no pasa eso con el fuego, que "arde en deseos" de quemarnos.

Si tenemos en cuenta lo de los "Siddhis" quizás si pueda cambiar la objetiva pero eso quizás sea un mito.

I... remain politely skeptical of your grasp on the topic at hand, and would like to attribute this miscommunication to the linguistic difficulties. With this in mind, I will refrain from further commentary on this issue until such time as I have ascertained your true meaning.

Yo siendo educadamente escéptica de su comprensión del tema que nos ocupa, y me gustaría atribuir esta falta de comunicación a las dificultades lingüísticas. Con esto en mente, me abstendré de más comentarios sobre este tema hasta el momento en que me he cerciorado de su verdadero significado.

Ok. If you heard voices, you are changing the objetive reality? if you see a ghost, the same? Just question.

No. Sólo respuesta.

If you take LSD, you are changing the objective reality? objective reality is not exactly what we experience, know, be aware of?

You know who else believed in Platonic metaphysics?

HITLER, that's who.

And the atomic bomb? TRUMAN.
What a silly boy.
And the nuclear energy? EINSTEIN.

Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.

Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.

I think this is where the language barrier becomes tricky.  We are using the word "reality" in two separate ways.  I am using it in terms of physics: Mass, gravity, subatomic probability fields, and all the rest.  You're using it, it seems to me, as the interpretation of those things.  We can all collectively hallucinate that you have wings, but you'll still plummet to the ground if you try to fly off a building.

Creo que aquí es donde la barrera del idioma se convierte en difícil. Estamos usando la palabra "realidad" de dos maneras diferentes. Lo estoy usando en términos de la física: masa, gravedad, campos subatómicas probabilidad, y todo lo demás. Usted lo está utilizando, me parece a mí, como la interpretación de las cosas. Todos podemos colectivamente alucinaciones que tienen alas, pero aún así caen al suelo si se intenta volar un edificio.

Yes it's true. There are two realities, I wonder if one can interact with each other but do not think so. Although the chapel is that, from a place where you can change the objective reality only through your mind, that's what creates all the bad trip, I guess like a bad acid trip. However, if we can not change the objective reality is we do not know yet. In the future, who knows.

Sí es verdad. Hay dos realidades, me pregunto si una puede interactuar con la otra pero no lo creo. Aunque la Capilla se trata de eso, de un lugar donde sí puedes cambiar la realidad objetiva solo mediante tu mente, eso es lo que crea todo el mal viaje, supongo que como un mal viaje de ácido. De todas maneras, si no podemos cambiar la realidad objetiva todavía es porque no sabemos. En un futuro quien sabe.

Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.

Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.

It doesn't. Reality is objective, even if everyone everywhere *believes* differently

No lo hace. La realidad es objetiva, con independencia de que todos en todas partes *tiene una opinión* diferente.

The reality is divided into the observed and the observer ... I think. Anyway, the reality is based on the exterior and interior, and the interior is different. External reality to us is not that we "ignore" but is indifferent to us, does not happen with the fire that "burns with desire" to burn us.

If we take into account the "Siddhis" maybe if I can change the objective but this might be a myth.

La realidad se divide en la observada y en al del observador... creo. De todas maneras la realidad se basa en la exterior y la interior, y la interior sí es diferente. Para la realidad exterior nosotros no es que nos "ignore" sino que le somos indiferente, no pasa eso con el fuego, que "arde en deseos" de quemarnos.

Si tenemos en cuenta lo de los "Siddhis" quizás si pueda cambiar la objetiva pero eso quizás sea un mito.

I... remain politely skeptical of your grasp on the topic at hand, and would like to attribute this miscommunication to the linguistic difficulties. With this in mind, I will refrain from further commentary on this issue until such time as I have ascertained your true meaning.

Yo siendo educadamente escéptica de su comprensión del tema que nos ocupa, y me gustaría atribuir esta falta de comunicación a las dificultades lingüísticas. Con esto en mente, me abstendré de más comentarios sobre este tema hasta el momento en que me he cerciorado de su verdadero significado.

Ok. If you heard voices, you are changing the objetive reality? if you see a ghost, the same? Just question.

Mindfuck

No it fucking wasn't.  Unless your mind is a slightly retarded preacher's daughter with round heels on.

Mindfuck again

Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.

Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.

I think this is where the language barrier becomes tricky.  We are using the word "reality" in two separate ways.  I am using it in terms of physics: Mass, gravity, subatomic probability fields, and all the rest.  You're using it, it seems to me, as the interpretation of those things.  We can all collectively hallucinate that you have wings, but you'll still plummet to the ground if you try to fly off a building.

Creo que aquí es donde la barrera del idioma se convierte en difícil. Estamos usando la palabra "realidad" de dos maneras diferentes. Lo estoy usando en términos de la física: masa, gravedad, campos subatómicas probabilidad, y todo lo demás. Usted lo está utilizando, me parece a mí, como la interpretación de las cosas. Todos podemos colectivamente alucinaciones que tienen alas, pero aún así caen al suelo si se intenta volar un edificio.

Yes it's true. There are two realities, I wonder if one can interact with each other but do not think so. Although the chapel is that, from a place where you can change the objective reality only through your mind, that's what creates all the bad trip, I guess like a bad acid trip. However, if we can not change the objective reality is we do not know yet. In the future, who knows.

Sí es verdad. Hay dos realidades, me pregunto si una puede interactuar con la otra pero no lo creo. Aunque la Capilla se trata de eso, de un lugar donde sí puedes cambiar la realidad objetiva solo mediante tu mente, eso es lo que crea todo el mal viaje, supongo que como un mal viaje de ácido. De todas maneras, si no podemos cambiar la realidad objetiva todavía es porque no sabemos. En un futuro quien sabe.

Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.

Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.

It doesn't. Reality is objective, even if everyone everywhere *believes* differently

No lo hace. La realidad es objetiva, con independencia de que todos en todas partes *tiene una opinión* diferente.

The reality is divided into the observed and the observer ... I think. Anyway, the reality is based on the exterior and interior, and the interior is different. External reality to us is not that we "ignore" but is indifferent to us, does not happen with the fire that "burns with desire" to burn us.

If we take into account the "Siddhis" maybe if I can change the objective but this might be a myth.

La realidad se divide en la observada y en al del observador... creo. De todas maneras la realidad se basa en la exterior y la interior, y la interior sí es diferente. Para la realidad exterior nosotros no es que nos "ignore" sino que le somos indiferente, no pasa eso con el fuego, que "arde en deseos" de quemarnos.

Si tenemos en cuenta lo de los "Siddhis" quizás si pueda cambiar la objetiva pero eso quizás sea un mito.

Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.

Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.

I try to say that the Chapel Perilous is real, and you can interpret it as you like, each one will think something different but in essence is the same general feeling. Some are after her schizophrenic, some not, some think they have had a mystical experience, every one will think differently... and will stay with certain beliefs, but what is the Chapel Perilous will remain the same. It is a mental state of being lost, to be absolutely outside of reality. But you realize that your mind is precisely what makes it real, so you're in another dimension as other laws and is therefore equally valid different reality than what you're experiencing right now.

Intento decir que la Capilla Peligrosa es real, y que puedes interpretarla como quieras, cada uno pensará una cosa diferente pero en esencia es el mismo sentir general. Unos después de ella quedan esquizofrenicos, otros no, otros piensan que han tenido una experiencia mística, cada uno pensará de una manera diferente... y se quedará con ciertas creencias, pero lo que es la Capilla Peligrosa seguirá siendo lo mismo. Es un estado mental de estar perdido. Pero te das cuenta que es precisamente tu mente lo que lo hace real, así que estás como en otra dimensión con otras leyes y es por tanto otra realidad igual de válida que la que estás experimentando ahora mismo.

Lemme guess, you read that off the back of a Hitchcock DVD, right?

No...

Khore, that's not hatred mate, as you'd know if you'd ever really seen hatred. All you've done here is said some stupid shit, and people are calling you on it. The more you try and justify it, the more entangled in a flamewar you will get. You cannot win like that. (And there is so much win in this forum, it's unreal) The process you are going through here is common enough, we've all seen it many, many times. Nine times out of ten, it ends in you getting so butthurt, you will leave these forums, full of smouldering resentment,
only to return after a month or two, with a different IP, and a huge chip on your shoulder, to repeat the process again. And again.

While this can be entertaining for us, (occaisionally) it does tend to reinforce the belief that some hold here, that monkeys cannot learn.
One or two people have mentioned ITT and others that you have shown potential, and I tend to agree. Having thought about it, I think the main obstacle in your way is that you say stupid shit, and when someone pulls you up on it, you attempt to justify or explain it. (The 'saying stupid shit' part, isn't the problem, btw)

I think the point of effectively asking you to fuck off and/or lurk moar has passed, so it's up to you at this point. The tactic you're currently using here WILL end in tears. (Yours) So YOU have to change it. The help is all here. We're all fucking sick of people turning up here, and making the same mistakes as the last n00bs all did. There's nothing we all want more than for new people to turn up, and "get it".

So I thought, if saying stupid shit, and acting like a Troll seems to be the problem, we can all make good use of that. Turn it into an asset, rather than a liability, by getting involved in one of the many Troll Safaris that are around. If you can find them. Go on some other forum full of dicks, and spread some righteous dickery around.

Trolling us here (If that's what you're doing) is lazy, and counter productive. We're too easy to Troll, because A/ We won't ban you. and B/ We generally won't respond unless you're good at it which often makes the would be Troll think they're good at it. (And they're not)

We however, have Trolls that make other Trolls look like retarded furbies. (See unlimited travelling furby thread) and while you certainly have the "Going on a forum and saying stupid inflammatory shit" part down,  your choice of forum to do it on is lamentable.

So I suggest you go back, and read this thread again, but try to do it in an objective way. Pretend it's some dick, who's just turned up, waving his e-penis around, wanting to make a splash. Then have a bit of think about what you want from this board.  We'll probably all still be here if /  when you get back. 

I only playing, and, i treated this like a play, but im tired now of the play. I am spanish, im not english, i cant continue the play, it cost much energies and google translator and is boring right now so please, stop, I will not continue playing this game. I promise.

Haha! Not how it works, fucker 

Mindfuck

Khore, that's not hatred mate, as you'd know if you'd ever really seen hatred. All you've done here is said some stupid shit, and people are calling you on it. The more you try and justify it, the more entangled in a flamewar you will get. You cannot win like that. (And there is so much win in this forum, it's unreal) The process you are going through here is common enough, we've all seen it many, many times. Nine times out of ten, it ends in you getting so butthurt, you will leave these forums, full of smouldering resentment,
only to return after a month or two, with a different IP, and a huge chip on your shoulder, to repeat the process again. And again.

While this can be entertaining for us, (occaisionally) it does tend to reinforce the belief that some hold here, that monkeys cannot learn.
One or two people have mentioned ITT and others that you have shown potential, and I tend to agree. Having thought about it, I think the main obstacle in your way is that you say stupid shit, and when someone pulls you up on it, you attempt to justify or explain it. (The 'saying stupid shit' part, isn't the problem, btw)

I think the point of effectively asking you to fuck off and/or lurk moar has passed, so it's up to you at this point. The tactic you're currently using here WILL end in tears. (Yours) So YOU have to change it. The help is all here. We're all fucking sick of people turning up here, and making the same mistakes as the last n00bs all did. There's nothing we all want more than for new people to turn up, and "get it".

So I thought, if saying stupid shit, and acting like a Troll seems to be the problem, we can all make good use of that. Turn it into an asset, rather than a liability, by getting involved in one of the many Troll Safaris that are around. If you can find them. Go on some other forum full of dicks, and spread some righteous dickery around.

Trolling us here (If that's what you're doing) is lazy, and counter productive. We're too easy to Troll, because A/ We won't ban you. and B/ We generally won't respond unless you're good at it which often makes the would be Troll think they're good at it. (And they're not)

We however, have Trolls that make other Trolls look like retarded furbies. (See unlimited travelling furby thread) and while you certainly have the "Going on a forum and saying stupid inflammatory shit" part down,  your choice of forum to do it on is lamentable.

So I suggest you go back, and read this thread again, but try to do it in an objective way. Pretend it's some dick, who's just turned up, waving his e-penis around, wanting to make a splash. Then have a bit of think about what you want from this board.  We'll probably all still be here if /  when you get back. 

I only playing, and, i treated this like a play, but im tired now of the play. I am spanish, im not english, i cant continue the play, it cost much energies and google translator and is boring right now so please, stop, I will not continue playing this game. I promise.

Please stop treating me in a special way, I'm a little tired.

He won't.

Why not?

I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.

I think what he means is that the origins of an idea are not relevant in the determination of its usefulness or even its truth value.

It's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but when is happening to you it really has not cure.

If whatever he experienced while he was in the abyss or wherever makes sense to him now, then it doesn't really matter if he was having a schizophrenic hallucination or a mystical experience.

Of course, he hasn't yet explained what exactly were the contents of his mindfuck.

Maybe I'm just putting words in his mouth, but hey, Hermeneutics is fun!

Exactly, and my mindfuck was pretty horrible, everything was a conspiracy, reality turned against me. My true sanity hanging by a thread. I fled from the hospital 2 times. Everything was to be in a separate reality created by my biggest fears.

Debe haber una especie de choque cultural entre los españoles y los paraguayos, porque lo único interesante que le vi a ese video es que es una perfecta compilación de todos los estereotipos culturales negativos que tengo sobre los europeos. A saber:

-> Muchas familias en españolas viven con un ingreso de menos de 500 euros al mes (qué tragedia  ), mientras otras familias (espero que no sean las mismas familias) gastan 70 euros en lotería.

-> Un "Médico/Conferencista" sale en la tele a hacer publicidad de un libro tan idiota que me dan ganas de romper la  cabeza de su autor con una de esas proverbiales banquetas que se usan en los bares.

Era lo del médico. Quizás el médico dice estupideces pero a mi parecer dice cosas sabias, y además parece un sabio. Si luego en su vida privada es un capullo eso ya no lo se, pero al menos ahí dice cosas bastante coherentes ¿no crees?

Si no lo crees tampoco pasa nada, cada uno percibimos de una manera diferente. Y en cuanto a todo lo demás que has dicho tienes toda la razón. Una tragedia.

Vídeo interesante. Si confiamos en nosotros mismos podremos perfilar el futuro. Ahora yo, ¿y si creas tu propio futuro en lugar de encontrártelo?. Entrevistaremos al doctor Mario Alonso Puig, experto en estrés, creatividad, comunicación y liderazgo. Lo trataremos con Paloma Escudero, directora ejecutiva de Unicef en España, Lluís Flaquer, catedrático de sociología y Ricardo Ibarra, presidente de Consejo de la Juventud de España.

http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/para-todos-la-2/para-todos-2-20-12-11/1277494/

Thanks, I am by going to therapy, but as long as this is what makes me feel:

I have no cure guy.

Cure guys are easy to find. We generally call them doctors, though.

But in the Chapel, you cant find a cure.

Yeah. I was trying to make a bit of a joke. I guess it didn't quite work.

Thanks, I am by going to therapy, but as long as this is what makes me feel:

I have no cure guy.

Cure guys are easy to find. We generally call them doctors, though.

But in the Chapel, you cant find a cure.