Dilemma: many points of view for the same barstool (diagram)

[LHX]

is this a component of the generic map-in-progress here?

can we agree on the manner in which we disagree?

[LMNO]

Instead of "resources", perhaps "sensory input".

Each red square is a prison cell.

[LHX]

deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

need to go thru the cell to get your input


fuck

thats what it comes down to huh?

[Triple Zero]

wow you're getting better at this tool!

are you saving these images under a personal account, or did you use the bugmenot logins?

also, it might be worth it to save them in pure black/white versions for possible printing as well.

to get back to the content, i'm not really sure what to make of the dillemma/state of affairs.

yes i think it's an accurate description/model/map

and it certainly can be a dilemma at times,
but it's hard to imagine any other possibility as well.

..

and what LMNO just posted.
resources are indeed sort-of like another form of sensory input

[Triple Zero]

deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

need to go thru the cell to get your input


fuck

thats what it comes down to huh?

shit yeah..

what we need is a live chatbox next to a multiplayer sketchpad/flowchart designer and we'd get to transcendental enlightenment in no time.

[LHX]

version 2.0?



we should set up a shared account or something where we can refine images


there was some mention that there might be some wiki compatibility on this joint - i will look into it


i created a account that i am saving these to

[LMNO]

I think a lot of these concepts are really translatable through images.

There may be as many ways to see it as there are ways of talking about it.

Good work, LHX.

[LMNO]

version 2.0?

Suggestion:  Each green triangle should be a different color/pattern.

So

Same input source > flitered through indivisual prison > has a different efffect on the observer.

Also, I'm not too into the "punishmemt" thing, unless you can descrobe it better.

[LHX]

Version 2.1

I think a lot of these concepts are really translatable through images.

There may be as many ways to see it as there are ways of talking about it.

Good work, LHX.

when chaos is related to a generic shape, it might not carry all its negative connotations

[Triple Zero]

ok and then comes the question,

we cannot even be sure that we're receiving from the same input source!
because we can only view through the cells.

fortunately we got a lot of circumstantial evidence that makes it highly probably we're all looking at the same thing, but we cannot be sure.

maybe you should have the triangles hitting eachother with barstools as if they're poking eachother in the dark to let the others know they actually exist  :p

(i don't understand the punishment bit either)

[LHX]

So

Same input source > flitered through indivisual prison > has a different efffect on the observer.

Also, I'm not too into the "punishmemt" thing, unless you can descrobe it better.

yeah thats why i threw a question mark beside it

there is a fine line between the 'prison' and the 'map'

the prison suggests having been put somewhere
the map suggests it is up to the individual to get out

i used 'punishment' because there is definitely repercussions to having a shitty map or being too stubborn to refine it

but i know what you mean - punishment is a loaded word

[LMNO]

One thing at a time, 000.


Can't get too freaky yet.


Like drawing, start with a circle, end up with Skippy the Turtle.

[LHX]

ok and then comes the question,

we cannot even be sure that we're receiving from the same input source!
because we can only view through the cells.

now that is a interesting twist

because that rips a whole new hole on this thing --> definitely worth investigating

fortunately we got a lot of circumstantial evidence that makes it highly probably we're all looking at the same thing, but we cannot be sure.

LAIL

maybe you should have the triangles hitting eachother with barstools as if they're poking eachother in the dark to let the others know they actually exist 

(i don't understand the punishment bit either)

i dont know how else to describe negative feedback for moving against the grain

[Mangrove]

this is fantastic stuff!

[Triple Zero]

fortunately we got a lot of circumstantial evidence that makes it highly probably we're all looking at the same thing, but we cannot be sure.

LAIL

ok, "probable".

i can write better english if i would take more care but you guys go so fast  :)

i dont know how else to describe negative feedback for moving against the grain

well they all communicate *through* this resource, right?

kind of like how we are all communicating through the resource hosted at Lauren (the old mgt)'s server, i.e. this forum.

but if one person's filter deviates much from the other, they will start communicating nonsense, others will not like that, and they'll send punishment through the resource.

kind of like how we treat n00bs that do too much nonsense fnord 23 pineal stuff.

this suggests there are certain things that pass through the filters less modified than other things.

kind of like barstools versus verbal communication

also it suggests some kind of "aligning force" that sort of aligns different filters as they communicate, in order to communicate better. this is btw a self-organising feature that is found as an emergent property in other complex dynamic systems as well.
it still gives us no clue whether we are talking about the same reality btw. but really it's academic.