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Started by Danjanon, February 07, 2012, 01:16:05 PM

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Quote from: Nigel on February 15, 2012, 12:13:35 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on February 14, 2012, 11:55:52 PM
Devil's Druj's Advocate:
Isn't it better when people actively fight the "Christian Nation" myth so we don't all feel obligated to pretend to be christian in polite society, even if they sound like a retard while doing it?

What? Who the fuck feels obligated to pretend to be Christian?

Politicians are the easiest example.

I don't mean so much actively pretending to follow a religion that you don't, as not challenging the "we're all at least more-or-less nominally christian here" dialectic.  E.g., framing a discussion about fairness or justice or equality in terms of "Judeo-Christian" values, or using standard Biblical imagery and metaphors just because you imagine the rest of the participants in the conversation to have similar religious/cultural backgrounds.  Basically, being unwilling to challenge people's assumptions about your own or other's beliefs, because it's a little more convenient to let them believe that you're "normal" than to give them cause to question their normative biases.

Analogously, the people who announce and make a big deal about their sexual orientation are obnoxious and annoying - but it's nice that we're inching to a society where people don't assume that everyone in the office or classroom is straight.
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Quote from: Nigel on February 15, 2012, 12:13:35 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on February 14, 2012, 11:55:52 PM
Devil's Druj's Advocate:
Isn't it better when people actively fight the "Christian Nation" myth so we don't all feel obligated to pretend to be christian in polite society, even if they sound like a retard while doing it?

What? Who the fuck feels obligated to pretend to be Christian?

You would, if you weren't a terrorist Jezebel who hates Christmas and wants to take my guns away.

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Quote from: Nigel on February 15, 2012, 12:13:35 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on February 14, 2012, 11:55:52 PM
Devil's Druj's Advocate:
Isn't it better when people actively fight the "Christian Nation" myth so we don't all feel obligated to pretend to be christian in polite society, even if they sound like a retard while doing it?

What? Who the fuck feels obligated to pretend to be Christian?
Not the Pope, as far as I can tell. But I seem to recall seeing quite a few Stateside Politicians do it. Whether out of some obligation or not, I couldn't say though.
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Quote from: Nigel on February 15, 2012, 12:13:35 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on February 14, 2012, 11:55:52 PM
Devil's Druj's Advocate:
Isn't it better when people actively fight the "Christian Nation" myth so we don't all feel obligated to pretend to be christian in polite society, even if they sound like a retard while doing it?

What? Who the fuck feels obligated to pretend to be Christian?

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So is this about the honest to thoth bit? Because god isnt a name. Its a job description. Its more fun i would think to point this out than to swap out god in a common english expression and replace it with a specific deitys name.
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Well sure, if you don't mind derailing the entire conversation.

Nephew Twiddleton

Theres probably ways to do it without derailing the conversation. A quick quip or an aside. You wouldnt want to have a protracted debate about it anyway because then theyll become resistant to the idea.
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2012, 02:56:10 AM
Quote from: Nigel on February 15, 2012, 12:13:35 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on February 14, 2012, 11:55:52 PM
Devil's Druj's Advocate:
Isn't it better when people actively fight the "Christian Nation" myth so we don't all feel obligated to pretend to be christian in polite society, even if they sound like a retard while doing it?

What? Who the fuck feels obligated to pretend to be Christian?

You would, if you weren't a terrorist Jezebel who hates Christmas and wants to take my guns away.

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Danjanon

Seriously though, I've been doing this for years and no one ever says anything. I don't know if they think they've misheard me or don't care to say anything because most of my friends don't want to talk about religion. Another one that's fun is to put in celebrities instead of gods, for example, Lennon's ghost that's hot! I burnt my tongue again!

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Quote from: Nigel on February 15, 2012, 12:13:35 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on February 14, 2012, 11:55:52 PM
Devil's Druj's Advocate:
Isn't it better when people actively fight the "Christian Nation" myth so we don't all feel obligated to pretend to be christian in polite society, even if they sound like a retard while doing it?

What? Who the fuck feels obligated to pretend to be Christian?

I grew up in a Pentecostal church. When I was 12 the pastor performed an exorcism on my friends house. I once prayed at a funeral for 2 hours that God would raise the body out of the Coffin.

I fell very fucking obligated to pretend to be a Christian at family events, lest they start throwing holy water at me.
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Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on February 17, 2012, 02:50:18 AM
Quote from: Nigel on February 15, 2012, 12:13:35 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on February 14, 2012, 11:55:52 PM
Devil's Druj's Advocate:
Isn't it better when people actively fight the "Christian Nation" myth so we don't all feel obligated to pretend to be christian in polite society, even if they sound like a retard while doing it?

What? Who the fuck feels obligated to pretend to be Christian?

I grew up in a Pentecostal church. When I was 12 the pastor performed an exorcism on my friends house. I once prayed at a funeral for 2 hours that God would raise the body out of the Coffin.

I fell very fucking obligated to pretend to be a Christian at family events, lest they start throwing holy water at me.

That would still seem to not be "all" of us.
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Danjanon

If someone ever through holy water at me the next time I saw them I'd bring my super soaker.

Cain

Quote from: Golden Applesauce on February 14, 2012, 11:55:52 PM
Devil's Druj's Advocate:
Isn't it better when people actively fight the "Christian Nation" myth so we don't all feel obligated to pretend to be christian in polite society, even if they sound like a retard while doing it?

Well, I would suggest sounding like a retard doesn't do much to undermine the Christian Nation myth in the first place, as it just means people assume you're a moron and so cannot understand Christianity.

I would also suggest there are almost certainly better and non-retarded ways to go about undermining said myth, which do not involve changing a phrase often used by non-religious people from a nonspecific deity into a more specific one.

Danjanon

I never said anything about undermining anybody. I was just trying to talk about a book for Kirk's sake! Which, incidentally I finished the other day. As well as the other author's I mentioned the last section had a big Douglas Adams feel to it. I highly recommend it.

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: Danjanon on February 17, 2012, 01:51:35 PM
I never said anything about undermining anybody. I was just trying to talk about a book for Kirk's sake! Which, incidentally I finished the other day. As well as the other author's I mentioned the last section had a big Douglas Adams feel to it. I highly recommend it.

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