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#5146
Quote from: Cain on August 19, 2010, 09:47:45 PM
QuoteScott Wheeler's Strategy for America

It is time to choose sides

Now is the time to go nationwide with our effort to Stop the Ground Zero Mosque: Barack Obama – son of a Muslim father, who once declared that the "Arabic call to prayer is one of the loveliest sounds on earth at Sunset" – has endorsed the building of the Muslim's Ground Zero Mosque.  He has publicly chosen sides...it's now time to force all Democrats to do the same before this election.

The National Republican Trust brought this issue onto the national stage.  Now we need to ask Democrats the simple question, "Do you stand with America, or do you stand with her Enemies?" This is the key to this November's election.  Could there be a more important question?

The liberal media and Democrats (sharing the same dirty bed) have whined that this mosque is not at Ground Zero, but that is an outright lie! I have been there, and I have seen where the landing gear from one of the airplanes landed on the building that Muslims now want to tear down to build their mosque.

They call it "a bridge to promote peace" to our faces, but just as I have said to the media many times now, if they really want to promote peace they can start by strongly denouncing terrorism by other radical Muslims... But they have resisted every opportunity to do that.

In my years of investigating terrorism, I have seen this dishonest strategy before; declaring "peace" the goal, when the "peace" they seek is actually Americans shackled to barbaric "Sharia Law." That's not the kind of "peace" envisioned by our Constitution.

So, it's now time to force Democrats to choose sides. We must ask, and then publicize, their answers to these questions:

   1. Are you with America or against America?
   2. Do you support the majority of Americans who oppose this Mosque? Or, do you continue to disregard the loud voice of the people?
   3. Do you understand what many of those behind the Ground Zero Mosque are trying to do to us? Do you even care?
   4. Is it acceptable to continually offend Christians and Americans first, merely to avoid discomfiting foreigners and Muslims?
   5. To whom do you answer (here on Earth)?

The answers to these questions must be recorded...and then widely disseminated to the public in the form of television, radio and Internet ads so we Americans can vote them out of office!!!

To schedule an interview with Scott Wheeler, please contact Nick Chandler at (310) 560-7010, nchandler.goptrust@gmail.com.

Note: I tried to stay out of this topic, since politics always piss me off, but this issue has been grating on my nerves, and this particular article crossed one line too many.

1. Against.
2. Fuck the people.
3. Do you?
4. Yes.
5. Not a damn being.

I feel slightly better now.
#5147
Principia Discussion / Re: What is creative disorder?
August 17, 2010, 07:43:05 PM
Quote from: Ruby on August 17, 2010, 07:29:09 PM
Interesting reads on 'growing pains' may be more simplified for those of us lacking a basic understanding.
Care to explain that?

Quote from: Ruby on August 17, 2010, 07:29:09 PM
Or, for the more physically apt, studying different styles of martial art philosophies. Kung Fu students are known to beat themselves with rods of steel to gain bone strength likened to steel.
Funny, I've never heard that inside a serious martial arts circle.

Quote from: Ruby on August 17, 2010, 07:29:09 PM
Creative disorder usually involves venturing outside the realm of comfort that many, if not most of us are not so willing to do.
Fixed.

This is probably the closest thing you've said to being accurate. But there is much, much more to it than that. Or not. As Doktor Howl pointed out, it's all Chaos, baby. Perfect Chaos. Yin and Yang, Hodge and Podge.
#5148
Two vast and trunkless legs of stone / Re: ATTN NURSE
August 17, 2010, 07:32:27 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on August 17, 2010, 07:14:14 PM
Quote from: Nurse Rhizome on August 17, 2010, 06:54:47 PMone of them cheerfully reported that her 8-9 year old students are making portfolios: Putting their "content," "creative products" and photocopies of report cards into professional little packages.  No more sticking stuff on the fridge.  And the kids, she says, are getting incredibly good at Marketing Themselves.  I didn't know how to rage at that.  It just simmers.  

Sounds like the golden apple winner from this year
http://kcts9.org/video/goldenapple?id=140029



How ironic that the award is a golden apple....Or how disgusting. Haven't quite decided.
#5149
Principia Discussion / Re: What is creative disorder?
August 17, 2010, 03:33:54 AM
Quote from: Cosine 5 on August 17, 2010, 03:04:31 AM
Are you saying that destruction happens whenever things get out of balance?

(I disagree, but kind of have to leave now, so shall elaborate on that later this week. I need to think some more too.)

Yes and no. That was just an example of how one can go from creative to destructive. Perhaps that didn't read as well as I thought it would, and it was non-sequitur. As far as balance, I believe that destructive order and disorder are an upset balance, but then again, I suppose there could be creative forces that weren't "balanced" per se, though I'm not quite sure what that means.
#5150
Principia Discussion / Re: What is creative disorder?
August 17, 2010, 02:51:04 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on August 17, 2010, 01:42:20 AM
in brief, creative refers to bringing something new into the world
disorder refers to something outside of an established pattern


Creative Disorder...

when you create something, you get to make a lot of choices about it

you build based on rules you've learned
trying to operationalize an idea you have

If you stick to the rules, that's a form of creative order
If your creation comes from the betrayal of the rules, that's creative disorder


So if you spend years studying art (or anything, really)
you'll have a pretty good idea of "how it works". But if you want to create something new, you have to go into uncharted territory



most humor is a form of creative disorder, since it relies on surprise, a betrayal of expectations.
and most art that's worth anything also involves a degree of creative disorder



Well, for starters, to create something new, you have to go outside the bounds of what is established, unless you decide to expand the rules within which you are working. Look at the history of art, since it's been brought up already. It can really be seen in the microcosm of Pablo Picasso. He didn't go from realism to surrealism overnight. It was a gradual transition that occurred one painting at a time. Yet, I would argue that this is still creative disorder. You can create something within an established order that is not of itself orderly. Disorder within order, as I said. It can be both creative and destructive. If you disrupt a system of order with too much disorder, it becomes destructive. Likewise if you impose too much order unto a system of disorder, it is destructive.

I'll give this more thought, though, and see what I come up with.
#5151
Principia Discussion / Re: What is creative disorder?
August 17, 2010, 02:04:38 AM
I mildly disagree with Cram's sentiment. Rather, I think it is oversimplified. Maybe that's just me.

I get the feeling that this is going to be an interesting discussion, though.
#5152
Principia Discussion / Re: What is creative disorder?
August 17, 2010, 01:32:05 AM
Quote from: Cainad on August 17, 2010, 01:24:53 AM
P.S. When I was typing this I accidentally left out the space between the words "but" and "that", thus creating "butthat". I thought everyone should know.

I tried to put a hat on my butt once. Didn't work out so well, as you might have thought.

In all seriousness, you bring up a good point that I intentionally left out. Eris is Chaos,  and in perfect chaos, everything exists, in a sense.  Even butthats. But I think that's a different discussion, isn't it?
#5153
Principia Discussion / Re: What is creative disorder?
August 17, 2010, 01:13:44 AM
Quote from: Cosine 5 on August 16, 2010, 11:47:59 PM
So basically just doing random things until something cool happens?

Another part of my theory was that the Universe was a cool thing that happened as a result of creative disorder - in other words, creative disorder is God (or goddess, or Eris). Please refute?

Hiya, guy. I try to think of it this way. To an extent, its a matter of goals. When you create order, you also create disorder. Take a standard deck of playing cards. You have 52 cards scattered about on a table. Disorderly, right? So, you pick them up as they lie, face up, face down, 5 of hearts next to the deuce of clubs, etc. You ordered them, but into another form of disorder. Then you arrange them by suit, but you still got the four next to the queen, and so on. Disorder within order.But that's enough about order.

Next, you throw the cards into the air and scatter them again. Disorder! BUT.... your nicely arranged cards WILL fall into some nicely arranged patterns, and there will be a measure of order in them, that could only have been created by the disorder of scattering them. Order within, and dependent upon, disorder. The recognition of disorder as a creative force.

Perhaps not the best explanation. But that's one way of thinking of it.

Or not.

To address Creative Disorder as Goddess: Yes.

The long explanation: Think of all the infinite of possibilities for the configuration of the universe. Why this one? More locally, why are people physically made the way they are? Is it because its the best configuration? To be truly best, wouldn't we have thicker hides, wings, prehensile tails, claws, venom sacs, marsupii, dolphin brains, ultraviolet vision, sonar ears, multiple limbs, and countless other useful things we don't? How I would so love to have a spinneret and an ink gland! Creative Disorder. We get opposable thumbs. Bats get sonar. We get the ability to stand upright. Dogs get four legs. Why? Why not?

Or not.

This is what I think on the matter at the moment, at least.