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Started by Dildo Argentino, November 26, 2014, 11:33:24 AM

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P3nT4gR4m

I spent a couple of months of my late teens on psillocybin caps. Started out as recreation and ended up something much deeper and more profound. Never felt the need to revisit the experience. Was kind of like learning to read and write. Once you've done it, there's no real reason to go back to grade school.

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Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 26, 2014, 04:28:27 PM
I spent a couple of months of my late teens on psillocybin caps. Started out as recreation and ended up something much deeper and more profound. Never felt the need to revisit the experience. Was kind of like learning to read and write. Once you've done it, there's no real reason to go back to grade school.

Went through that. Got the substantial thing, around the same age as you. Took a long ass break. Dropped some acid and figured out that when I wasn't in that seeking mindset, I got to pretty much just sit around and laugh my ass off for hours on end enjoying the fuck out of the experience.

Once every few years I do it again.

Still haven't done DMT. Want to. No interest in Ayahuasca (even though you guys are making it sound so appealing, what with the vomiting and all).
Back to the fecal matter in the pool

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Psilocybin has really interesting effects on rumination, memory, and plasticity -- I don't know if you've followed its use in treating PTSD and anxiety at all. Pretty interesting stuff. It seems to actually loosen the glial scaffolding that holds axodendritic synapses in place, allowing some of the connections to separate and new connections to form.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

DMT is OK IME. Nothing I'd seek out.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


hooplala

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2014, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: Hello Waffles on November 26, 2014, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2014, 02:26:21 PM
Honestly, I think drugs like that are more useful the more disconnected you are from your ecology and the systems that surround you. They serve as a good perspective-setter, and can be paradigm-shifting if you are extremely disconnected, as many Westerners seem to be.

I'm taking neuropharmacology next term, I might be able to weigh in a little more on what various psychedelics actually do.

Looking forward to it!

Tbh, most psychedelics have been really disappointing for me. I always preferred amphetamines, for some reason. Perhaps because my mind is so fucking noisy at the best of times, and they seemed to quiet it down somewhat.

These days my biggest intoxicants are caffeine and nicotine though. #straightedge-ish

I'm rather fond of mushrooms and the calming aftereffects they have on me. They definitely reduce my tendency toward anxiety.

I can't stand stimulants other than caffeine, and even that's a little iffy for me. I take Ritalin to help me focus and get shit done though, and that's not too bad although I feel a little TOO focused on it.

Mushroom have the opposite effect on me, they make me jumpy and edgy. I wonder what that says about my body chemistry...
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Hoopla on November 26, 2014, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2014, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: Hello Waffles on November 26, 2014, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2014, 02:26:21 PM
Honestly, I think drugs like that are more useful the more disconnected you are from your ecology and the systems that surround you. They serve as a good perspective-setter, and can be paradigm-shifting if you are extremely disconnected, as many Westerners seem to be.

I'm taking neuropharmacology next term, I might be able to weigh in a little more on what various psychedelics actually do.

Looking forward to it!

Tbh, most psychedelics have been really disappointing for me. I always preferred amphetamines, for some reason. Perhaps because my mind is so fucking noisy at the best of times, and they seemed to quiet it down somewhat.

These days my biggest intoxicants are caffeine and nicotine though. #straightedge-ish

I'm rather fond of mushrooms and the calming aftereffects they have on me. They definitely reduce my tendency toward anxiety.

I can't stand stimulants other than caffeine, and even that's a little iffy for me. I take Ritalin to help me focus and get shit done though, and that's not too bad although I feel a little TOO focused on it.

Mushroom have the opposite effect on me, they make me jumpy and edgy. I wonder what that says about my body chemistry...

Perhaps that you don't have PTSD?
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Reginald Ret

Quote from: Hoopla on November 26, 2014, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2014, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: Hello Waffles on November 26, 2014, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2014, 02:26:21 PM
Honestly, I think drugs like that are more useful the more disconnected you are from your ecology and the systems that surround you. They serve as a good perspective-setter, and can be paradigm-shifting if you are extremely disconnected, as many Westerners seem to be.

I'm taking neuropharmacology next term, I might be able to weigh in a little more on what various psychedelics actually do.

Looking forward to it!

Tbh, most psychedelics have been really disappointing for me. I always preferred amphetamines, for some reason. Perhaps because my mind is so fucking noisy at the best of times, and they seemed to quiet it down somewhat.

These days my biggest intoxicants are caffeine and nicotine though. #straightedge-ish

I'm rather fond of mushrooms and the calming aftereffects they have on me. They definitely reduce my tendency toward anxiety.

I can't stand stimulants other than caffeine, and even that's a little iffy for me. I take Ritalin to help me focus and get shit done though, and that's not too bad although I feel a little TOO focused on it.

Mushroom have the opposite effect on me, they make me jumpy and edgy. I wonder what that says about my body chemistry...
In my experience mushrooms just make you think that EVERYTHING you think of is a great idea!
For example, I was hating some random guy nearby very much(for existing near me), i was loving watching the birds fly by. Also, everything that shouldn't move, moved. At a certain point i spent at least an hour completely fascinated by my hand and the way it was moving when it didn't. Things that normally moved annoyed me when they moved while everything else was riveting. I couldn't focus worth fuck-all though. I tried to read a book in the beginning, it got very hard to keep reading. The damn wind kept distracting me by moving nearby plants.

Anyway, my point was... Maybe you think your paranoia is a good thing?
How many distrust-reinforcing experiences have you had?
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hooplala

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2014, 09:08:56 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on November 26, 2014, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2014, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: Hello Waffles on November 26, 2014, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2014, 02:26:21 PM
Honestly, I think drugs like that are more useful the more disconnected you are from your ecology and the systems that surround you. They serve as a good perspective-setter, and can be paradigm-shifting if you are extremely disconnected, as many Westerners seem to be.

I'm taking neuropharmacology next term, I might be able to weigh in a little more on what various psychedelics actually do.

Looking forward to it!

Tbh, most psychedelics have been really disappointing for me. I always preferred amphetamines, for some reason. Perhaps because my mind is so fucking noisy at the best of times, and they seemed to quiet it down somewhat.

These days my biggest intoxicants are caffeine and nicotine though. #straightedge-ish

I'm rather fond of mushrooms and the calming aftereffects they have on me. They definitely reduce my tendency toward anxiety.

I can't stand stimulants other than caffeine, and even that's a little iffy for me. I take Ritalin to help me focus and get shit done though, and that's not too bad although I feel a little TOO focused on it.

Mushroom have the opposite effect on me, they make me jumpy and edgy. I wonder what that says about my body chemistry...

Perhaps that you don't have PTSD?

Anything's possible!  Are mushrooms known for calming those with PTSD?
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

hooplala

Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on November 26, 2014, 09:10:57 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on November 26, 2014, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2014, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: Hello Waffles on November 26, 2014, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2014, 02:26:21 PM
Honestly, I think drugs like that are more useful the more disconnected you are from your ecology and the systems that surround you. They serve as a good perspective-setter, and can be paradigm-shifting if you are extremely disconnected, as many Westerners seem to be.

I'm taking neuropharmacology next term, I might be able to weigh in a little more on what various psychedelics actually do.

Looking forward to it!

Tbh, most psychedelics have been really disappointing for me. I always preferred amphetamines, for some reason. Perhaps because my mind is so fucking noisy at the best of times, and they seemed to quiet it down somewhat.

These days my biggest intoxicants are caffeine and nicotine though. #straightedge-ish

I'm rather fond of mushrooms and the calming aftereffects they have on me. They definitely reduce my tendency toward anxiety.

I can't stand stimulants other than caffeine, and even that's a little iffy for me. I take Ritalin to help me focus and get shit done though, and that's not too bad although I feel a little TOO focused on it.

Mushroom have the opposite effect on me, they make me jumpy and edgy. I wonder what that says about my body chemistry...
In my experience mushrooms just make you think that EVERYTHING you think of is a great idea!
For example, I was hating some random guy nearby very much(for existing near me), i was loving watching the birds fly by. Also, everything that shouldn't move, moved. At a certain point i spent at least an hour completely fascinated by my hand and the way it was moving when it didn't. Things that normally moved annoyed me when they moved while everything else was riveting. I couldn't focus worth fuck-all though. I tried to read a book in the beginning, it got very hard to keep reading. The damn wind kept distracting me by moving nearby plants.

Anyway, my point was... Maybe you think your paranoia is a good thing?
How many distrust-reinforcing experiences have you had?

I wish I had your experiences!

It's not so much paranoia as it is nihilistic dread.  I used to think about my family, and that would depress me... my dad used to be a member of the Hawks, he spent time down in Nashville in the 60s, wanting the whole Nashville Grand Ol Opry lifestyle, which didn't pan out.  He ended up being a truck driver in South Western Ontario, and when I thought of them sitting at home and watching television, and by extension millions of others doing the same, the realixation that I would likely end up doing about the same... I guess it triggered depression, more or less.

Luckily, a few years ago I thought about the lives most people in history up until the last century or so lived... usually never traveling farther than 40 miles from the house they were born in... that helped quite a bit.  But they still tend to make me anxious and generally not comfortable.  I just tend to avoid them now.

Ecstasy, on the other hand, I love love LOVED.  That made me feel like everything in the world was hunky dory.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Hoopla on November 26, 2014, 09:12:39 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2014, 09:08:56 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on November 26, 2014, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2014, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: Hello Waffles on November 26, 2014, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2014, 02:26:21 PM
Honestly, I think drugs like that are more useful the more disconnected you are from your ecology and the systems that surround you. They serve as a good perspective-setter, and can be paradigm-shifting if you are extremely disconnected, as many Westerners seem to be.

I'm taking neuropharmacology next term, I might be able to weigh in a little more on what various psychedelics actually do.

Looking forward to it!

Tbh, most psychedelics have been really disappointing for me. I always preferred amphetamines, for some reason. Perhaps because my mind is so fucking noisy at the best of times, and they seemed to quiet it down somewhat.

These days my biggest intoxicants are caffeine and nicotine though. #straightedge-ish

I'm rather fond of mushrooms and the calming aftereffects they have on me. They definitely reduce my tendency toward anxiety.

I can't stand stimulants other than caffeine, and even that's a little iffy for me. I take Ritalin to help me focus and get shit done though, and that's not too bad although I feel a little TOO focused on it.

Mushroom have the opposite effect on me, they make me jumpy and edgy. I wonder what that says about my body chemistry...

Perhaps that you don't have PTSD?

Anything's possible!  Are mushrooms known for calming those with PTSD?

Quite a bit of the recent research indicates that it helps calm rumination and temporarily loosens the glial scaffolding that maintains the "hardwiring" of axodendritic connections, creating a plastic environment in which recall and re-storage of traumatic memories can be disconnected from circuits that trigger anxiety and obsessive rumination processes.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


P3nT4gR4m

I got an intensive tutorial in how the mind formulates it's model of reality, how thoughts come about, how decisions are evaluated and made, the role that physiological inputs and reflexes play in the currently active personality and, more importantly, how to influence and override most of my own memeplex more or less at will.

Needless to say, in the hands of a 15/16 year old stoner burnout and borderline alcoholic this toolkit proved to be a disaster of hilarious proportions. 30 years on and I'm still learning to fly this fucking thing  :lulz:

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

Roly Poly Oly-Garch

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 26, 2014, 09:43:16 PM
I got an intensive tutorial in how the mind formulates it's model of reality, how thoughts come about, how decisions are evaluated and made, the role that physiological inputs and reflexes play in the currently active personality and, more importantly, how to influence and override most of my own memeplex more or less at will.

Needless to say, in the hands of a 15/16 year old stoner burnout and borderline alcoholic this toolkit proved to be a disaster of hilarious proportions. 30 years on and I'm still learning to fly this fucking thing  :lulz:

This...in abundance.

Not unlike when you get that really cool bios that let's you fuck with memory timing, core voltages, and ALL THE THINGS--eventually you come to this horrible realization that, you know, maybe they were set that way for a reason...and even if not, maybe I should have figured out what the fuck I was doing BEFORE I started mucking around with it.
Back to the fecal matter in the pool

hooplala

I do recall one interesting experience, now that I'm tip-towing down memory lane... On mushrooms, while escaping a flea market (NOT a good place for an edgy non-fan of psychedelics to start peaking) I watched cars driving down the streets of Toronto, and noticed that while they followed the basic rules of the road, that all of them were more or less driving how they wanted to, it looked like they were all over the place.  I had just started reading a shit-ton of RAW around that point, and I became aware that I was viewing the city without most of my usual filters.  At the time I thought of it as "no filters", but that's unlikely in retrospect.  I recognized that I was viewing, basically, raw reality.  It freaked me out.  But, it was very helpful in being able to realize the difference afterwards.

OK, I've spagged up this thread enough with my lame recollections....
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Dildo Argentino

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 26, 2014, 09:43:16 PM
I got an intensive tutorial in how the mind formulates it's model of reality, how thoughts come about, how decisions are evaluated and made, the role that physiological inputs and reflexes play in the currently active personality and, more importantly, how to influence and override most of my own memeplex more or less at will.

Needless to say, in the hands of a 15/16 year old stoner burnout and borderline alcoholic this toolkit proved to be a disaster of hilarious proportions. 30 years on and I'm still learning to fly this fucking thing  :lulz:

Much as I long suspected, you are a man after my own heart. Don't take it personally! :)

Have you written about the lesson learnt? I would love to read it.

Actually, my story was very similar. After a year or two of becoming increasingly sharply aware of the machineries of freedom all around us, I decided to just climb back into the hole and stick with weed. I took the occasional recreational trip which di have occasional profound experiences, but on many occasions, some with acid, some with shrooms, when I got too close to the vortex I got really scared and fainted or wrathered it out whimpering under the skirts of my wife, though later on I did learn to consciously steer away from the abyss by myself. I guess I failed grade school.

This time though... whoa. And, at the risk of pinealising myself into a rough corner, I would say that ayahuasca, which really is just dmt and MAO inhibitor brewed from 2 or 3 different plants, which allows the DMT to be taken up through the stomach and stay active for hours, goes deeper. The distinct impression I got is that with acid, you open the door, you can even walk through it, but there's either nobody there, or it's just someone (or someones) who happen by. With mushrooms, there are pixies, little natural spirits with a tinkling sense of humour and some downright wickedness. With the diviner sage, there is the celestial sheperdess, a young female presence with deeply scary undertones, amazing creativity, fickle, perhaps even Eris. With extreme doses of THC (talking 4-5 spoonfuls of fresh, strong oil), there's the crone. She delights in the passing of things and will take you for her own if you let her. But with aya, there is the mother.

Go on, laugh! :)
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What is this self-indulgent shit?
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