Would there be a robot rebellion inside a robot rebellion?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, hey guys, I got a new computer!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

yea, especially since our eyes are actually really shitty cameras. If you could hook up the raw sensations recieved by your eyeball and display them on a screen without the brains input they would look like shit. The brain actually does a lot to correct our perception of visual stimuli

Yeah, our visual experience is something like 90% hallucination to boost the low-fidelity input to high-fidelity perception, which is really amazing, considering.

Woah, wait, what?

Thread/ links / expansion in general please, this intrigues the fuck out of me. And explains quite a bit about quite a lot.

OK, this is proving harder than I thought, I will need to talk to my neuroscience professor for references. The eye captures a great deal of data but it is whittled down in the brain and then reconstructed in our conscious experience, is the gist of what I captured.

[The Wizard Joseph]

Also, hey guys, I got a new computer!

I hear if you feed them some of your blood code they get huge, hungry, and start to sing.

Computers are freaking amazing!

On another note...
I think I vaguely recall one of the instructors at the rather esoteric martial school I've studied at here mentioned something along these lines about vision and how the mind processes the fairly weak signal from the eye into something much sharper. This was in context to deceiving the mind and not the eye per se in combat. I could swing by this week or next and see what more might be found out.
I kinda need a couple answers myself now.

[LMNO]

Also, hey guys, I got a new computer!

Also, there's a sort-of experiement that points to the eye/brain thing.  It's the one where something far away is out of focus and unknown, and as you approach it, you still can't recognize what it is as it grows more clear and then, ZAP, you recognize it and instantly all the details appear and sharpen.  The recognition isn't gradual, it's immediate.

No citation.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

There's that... and when you see something, I mean totally absolutely see it, and then all of a sudden it moves a certain way and all of a sudden you see a completely different thing. It's part of top-down processing.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I'll find papers for this stuff. Not today, because I'm at school until ten tonight, but sooon.

[The Wizard Joseph]

Come to think of it I've experienced this as on occasion I'll misidentify something out of the corner of my eye because of expectation or just plain manic inattentive moments and when I do focus my conscious mind fully on the object it's not what my mind registered and 'saw'.

In testing I have well above average sight. I'm really sure the above is some sort of mental slip, but now I wonder how much of those good vision scores is my actual eyes and how much is my processor. My processor also is unusual in testing.

I had a private intelligence test done around the age of 18ish administered by a genuine psychiatrist that measured 4 types of intelligence. Composite score was 155 but with a skew in the data. My practical mechanical int was normal/bright at 115 range but my linguistic comp, pattern rec, and symbol interpretation score hit 190. That's 6 standard dev from the mean and as high as the test he used goes apparently.

What I wonder is how much of my 20-15 vision is my actual eyes ans how much my brain drawing accurate interpretation from thin data... my freakish, though still quite imperfect,  intuitive comprehension.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Come to think of it I've experienced this as on occasion I'll misidentify something out of the corner of my eye because of expectation or just plain manic inattentive moments and when I do focus my conscious mind fully on the object it's not what my mind registered and 'saw'.

In testing I have well above average sight. I'm really sure the above is some sort of mental slip, but now I wonder how much of those good vision scores is my actual eyes and how much is my processor. My processor also is unusual in testing.

I had a private intelligence test done around the age of 18ish administered by a genuine psychiatrist that measured 4 types of intelligence. Composite score was 155 but with a skew in the data. My practical mechanical int was normal/bright at 115 range but my linguistic comp, pattern rec, and symbol interpretation score hit 190. That's 6 standard dev from the mean and as high as the test he used goes apparently.

What I wonder is how much of my 20-15 vision is my actual eyes ans how much my brain drawing accurate interpretation from thin data... my freakish, though still quite imperfect,  intuitive comprehension.

Vision tests are tests of the eyes' ability to focus correctly, and to a smaller measure of the density of cones in the fovea.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

This one is dense but interesting: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0896627307003765

OH HERE WE GO, Richard Gregory is DA MAN: http://www.richardgregory.org/papers/brainy_mind/brainy-mind.htm

If this gets you geeking out, go to his homepage to read more of his papers.

[The Wizard Joseph]

Come to think of it I've experienced this as on occasion I'll misidentify something out of the corner of my eye because of expectation or just plain manic inattentive moments and when I do focus my conscious mind fully on the object it's not what my mind registered and 'saw'.

In testing I have well above average sight. I'm really sure the above is some sort of mental slip, but now I wonder how much of those good vision scores is my actual eyes and how much is my processor. My processor also is unusual in testing.

I had a private intelligence test done around the age of 18ish administered by a genuine psychiatrist that measured 4 types of intelligence. Composite score was 155 but with a skew in the data. My practical mechanical int was normal/bright at 115 range but my linguistic comp, pattern rec, and symbol interpretation score hit 190. That's 6 standard dev from the mean and as high as the test he used goes apparently.

What I wonder is how much of my 20-15 vision is my actual eyes ans how much my brain drawing accurate interpretation from thin data... my freakish, though still quite imperfect,  intuitive comprehension.

Vision tests are tests of the eyes' ability to focus correctly, and to a smaller measure of the density of cones in the fovea.

Hm. So mayhap it's more like I  do have fine function in my peepers and the brain oddity is a separate issue of consciousness.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Come to think of it I've experienced this as on occasion I'll misidentify something out of the corner of my eye because of expectation or just plain manic inattentive moments and when I do focus my conscious mind fully on the object it's not what my mind registered and 'saw'.

In testing I have well above average sight. I'm really sure the above is some sort of mental slip, but now I wonder how much of those good vision scores is my actual eyes and how much is my processor. My processor also is unusual in testing.

I had a private intelligence test done around the age of 18ish administered by a genuine psychiatrist that measured 4 types of intelligence. Composite score was 155 but with a skew in the data. My practical mechanical int was normal/bright at 115 range but my linguistic comp, pattern rec, and symbol interpretation score hit 190. That's 6 standard dev from the mean and as high as the test he used goes apparently.

What I wonder is how much of my 20-15 vision is my actual eyes ans how much my brain drawing accurate interpretation from thin data... my freakish, though still quite imperfect,  intuitive comprehension.

Vision tests are tests of the eyes' ability to focus correctly, and to a smaller measure of the density of cones in the fovea.

Hm. So mayhap it's more like I  do have fine function in my peepers and the brain oddity is a separate issue of consciousness.

What brain oddity?

[The Wizard Joseph]

Come to think of it I've experienced this as on occasion I'll misidentify something out of the corner of my eye because of expectation or just plain manic inattentive moments and when I do focus my conscious mind fully on the object it's not what my mind registered and 'saw'.

In testing I have well above average sight. I'm really sure the above is some sort of mental slip, but now I wonder how much of those good vision scores is my actual eyes and how much is my processor. My processor also is unusual in testing.

I had a private intelligence test done around the age of 18ish administered by a genuine psychiatrist that measured 4 types of intelligence. Composite score was 155 but with a skew in the data. My practical mechanical int was normal/bright at 115 range but my linguistic comp, pattern rec, and symbol interpretation score hit 190. That's 6 standard dev from the mean and as high as the test he used goes apparently.

What I wonder is how much of my 20-15 vision is my actual eyes ans how much my brain drawing accurate interpretation from thin data... my freakish, though still quite imperfect,  intuitive comprehension.

Vision tests are tests of the eyes' ability to focus correctly, and to a smaller measure of the density of cones in the fovea.

Hm. So mayhap it's more like I  do have fine function in my peepers and the brain oddity is a separate issue of consciousness.

What brain oddity?

The one I presume (and it only a lightly held presumption) accounts for my bipolar disorder and schism of competency. I have other little cognitive tics sometimes, particularly when occupied with several things at once and also trying to make words, that is to say speaking, texting, or writing mentally. 

I've come to think of it as having a leaky brain pan. Doesn't impair my normal daily function but not really helping.

[Faust]

The brain is nothing but a computer in  the same way a moose is nothing but a little red wagon.

brain is to computer as eye is to camera

Rong answer.

You know I'm rite

Computers store and process information using binary states of transistors acting as switches,
brains store information in connections through neurons that have both chemical states an electrical states, way more complex then a binary system. The two are not analogous.

They are both machines, and that is analogous. But brain/computer is erroneous compared to eye/camera comparison.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Come to think of it I've experienced this as on occasion I'll misidentify something out of the corner of my eye because of expectation or just plain manic inattentive moments and when I do focus my conscious mind fully on the object it's not what my mind registered and 'saw'.

In testing I have well above average sight. I'm really sure the above is some sort of mental slip, but now I wonder how much of those good vision scores is my actual eyes and how much is my processor. My processor also is unusual in testing.

I had a private intelligence test done around the age of 18ish administered by a genuine psychiatrist that measured 4 types of intelligence. Composite score was 155 but with a skew in the data. My practical mechanical int was normal/bright at 115 range but my linguistic comp, pattern rec, and symbol interpretation score hit 190. That's 6 standard dev from the mean and as high as the test he used goes apparently.

What I wonder is how much of my 20-15 vision is my actual eyes ans how much my brain drawing accurate interpretation from thin data... my freakish, though still quite imperfect,  intuitive comprehension.

Vision tests are tests of the eyes' ability to focus correctly, and to a smaller measure of the density of cones in the fovea.

Hm. So mayhap it's more like I  do have fine function in my peepers and the brain oddity is a separate issue of consciousness.

What brain oddity?

The one I presume (and it only a lightly held presumption) accounts for my bipolar disorder and schism of competency. I have other little cognitive tics sometimes, particularly when occupied with several things at once and also trying to make words, that is to say speaking, texting, or writing mentally. 

I've come to think of it as having a leaky brain pan. Doesn't impair my normal daily function but not really helping.

I could find out the current state of the research on the neurobiology of bipolar disorder, if you're interested. I'm sure it'll come in handy for a paper eventually anyway.

[Junkenstein]

This one is dense but interesting: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0896627307003765

OH HERE WE GO, Richard Gregory is DA MAN: http://www.richardgregory.org/papers/brainy_mind/brainy-mind.htm

If this gets you geeking out, go to his homepage to read more of his papers.

Thanks, appreciated!