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#2131
Looking for stuff to steal for my Mittens I ended up on BIP Wiki.

Ending up on BIP wiki I went and looked at the World Discordian Project discussion.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=15889.30
Looking at the World Discordian Project I went to reply. And then it was all like, fuck you man, this thing is like over 120 days old. Start a new thread. Hence thus this.

This is where I talk for a little about Japan, and the elements of what could make a good Japanese Discordian work.

Some points responding directly to the above thread.

1. Saying Japan is just like a version of China is a really epic way to loose friends in Japan. In fact even mentioning China can be a great way to loose friends, but I like to think any Discordian work is aiming itself at a slightly less judgemental crowd.

2. Japanese Discordian figures were discussed. There were lots of people saying 'poets and Zen Buddhism' as sources, and that's probably good. In fact, this kind of thing will probably appeal in Japan from the Buddhist/Zen angle alone. I'd also say Nasubi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasubi) and  Nozomi Tsuji (Who is a Japanese equivalent of Discordian American Princess; not so shocking for the West but for super mainstream Japan, sure). Burakumin were mentioned in the thread, but making things into a morality tale will kill the audience.

3. I forgot. But I know stuff about Japan, and have kind of average Japanese, so if anyone is interested in this as a project let me know and I'll work with you on it (of course, once current project is done)
#2132
no, there's a Fucking (Fooking) in AUSTRIA.

We're odd but we're not that odd.
#2133
GASM Command / Re: SHENANIGASM
March 25, 2010, 12:20:23 PM
Wiktionary: shenanigan (plural shenanigans)

   1. Trickery, games; skulduggery. To "call", "claim" or "declare" shenanigans is to rhetorically label something as officially deceitful, improper, or otherwise incorrect.

          "The advertisement said it would cost $50 but they charged me $75 at the register. I declare shenanigans." The speaker passes off the statement as having some sort of implied official effect, but in reality, it is simply a complaint.

   2. A deceitful confidence trick, or mischief causing discomfort or annoyance.

          You should learn to spot their shenanigans and avoid being fooled.

   3. Mischievous play, especially by children.


I like the third definition as a starting point.
#2135
Is the Chao your work Cram?

I've seen it done before with one called the Dao De Discordia, but this one seems a bit truer to the source as far as I can tell.
#2136
 :banana:

Sorry, I actually meant that I'm taking a long time to work on it because I can work on things ONLY on Friday.

But apparently that was a great motivation tool...
#2137
Ohh, I'm working full time and banging out what i can on Friday afternoon. You have nothing to... (obvious joke)
#2138
Literate Chaotic / Re: Free Will
March 23, 2010, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: MMIX on March 23, 2010, 01:04:51 AM
PS why do so many of you seem to think that "smaller" decisions are more amenable to "free-will" than "big picture" decisions . . .

That's where this started; The idea that if we look at free will there are small things which as far as we are concerned we have free will in every practical sense (Eg, the conscious choice to ignore this thread or return to it to piss and moan). But then there's things that we have difficulty finding the ability to do becauser of our worldview/upbringing, whatever. For instance, a hetrosexual man, to sipmly choose to leave his wife for a gay lover, is not going to simply 'happen' if he hasn't the original inclination. Or a peaceful coward won't go on a killing spree, if you prefer. So there's degrees, really was the point.
#2139
Quote from: dimo on March 22, 2010, 03:39:45 PM
Seeing how every issue is done by someone else, maybe just start a "letters to the editor" thread. People can post all sorts of bizarre questions and who ever is running the current issue can browse through and answer any that may be relevant to their topic.

The entire point of what I'm looking at though is it makes an easy method of submission for people who aren't already part of the Discordian scene, or this particular Discordian clumping. It all gives some (optional) consistancy to the magazine, for eds who are into that. I'd like there to be a real door into the magazine that lets potential readers, interactors to join in on the fun, or ask questions, promote events, have a whinge, etc. Hence the email address.

In terms of the possibility of the mailing list things (you suscribe to read, email the list to be be read) who knows anything about the set up for that? Because I think that's also a possibilty, and if things get more set up it could just be forwarded to the mittens address as well.
#2140
I like that, but at this point i dont think the .org site is so well looked after. There's still no issue 8.
No offence if that's someone here who looks after it.
#2141
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I've also got the PDX Sunday Swordfights, and can get you some media from those events. Maybe I'll interview some of the Discordians that made it to Esozone, I think we had over 23 in a room at one point.... counting the reporter from High Times. Last year, Esozone has basically "open-sourced itself" as an Unconference (wikipedia), so that might be a good topic for an article.

I'm slammed with school this week, but I'll hit you up in a week or two for more focus.

Any of that would be legendary.


And no. No meat. No. No meat. No.

And yes, I've already begged Cram for some Dreaming bits.

And are all those images and things on Day of Discord good to use? Copyleft or just for IM.

Aaaaaaaaaand are there any known upcoming events for Discordia? or small d discordian events coming up? Cos a little calender might be good.
#2142
1. Who would be able to set something like that?

2. WOuld there be a way that people could connect themselves to the recieved emails so there's instant access for those who desire it? Or perhaps could they be instantly poseted to a URL or some such?
#2143
Literate Chaotic / Re: Free Will
March 21, 2010, 10:24:50 AM
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on March 20, 2010, 09:30:54 PM
Even if everything is totally deterministic, from the point of view of any given person (who is, of course, determined in this context) their will is free. Free will is only an illusion if the perspective of determinism is the truth, and determinism can likewise be considered to be an illusion caused by free will (determinism is what free will looks like when you watch it in rewind). The two are mutually exclusive if you assume one of them is right, but they both describe the 'real' situation equally well. Even if one is an illusion, both are useful as beliefs. For instance, even if everything is predetermined, it kinda sucks to assume you have no control over your life (plus, imagine the potential effects on politics!).

Useful's kind of what I'm going with here; Looking at what could provide a useful frame of reference for people (me) who get caught up in playing with these kinds of ideas.
#2144
Just wondering, something I'd like to throw into my edition, and could fit nicely into other editions (possibly phobia, depending on what Peleus thinks/is at) is a consistent email address that can be used for a letters to the editor kind of thing. Whoever did whatever edition could use these, ignore these, mock them, put them in the margins, whatever.

Obviously, with multiple editors without much centre of control, this is more challenging to set up. One email address that changes hands will eventually have shithouse security problems, and one person controlling a single email address and doing send outs manually doesn't seem to be in the spirit of things.

I think there's some ways to set up a mailing list that anyone can suscribe to, and if you send an email to that address it'll go into the weekly list.. but i'm not sure how to set that up.

Just having a forum section, or doing it via twitter also crossed my mind, but Email really gives a wider range of people a chance to send something out.

Any ideas on the practicalities of this?
#2145
Literate Chaotic / Free Will
March 19, 2010, 01:10:01 PM
Let's assume a deterministic view of the world, where basically everything is set in a way that will determine the outcome of events from the onset, and continue to accept (Hawking describes this in brief history of time) that this set of inevitable events cannot be known. Let's also assume, for the sake of this little article that there are no Theological implications to prevent this (that any God or Deity either exists inside the same determinist structure, or that they do not set forth events that would upset this state of existence, or else are responsible for this structure operating inside the discussed limitations.)

We can accept that in this state, Free Will is largely an illusion. This article was in a sense predestined by who I am as a person, genetically and as shaped by the experiences that the universe has contrived to make happen. What I would like to propose is a structure for understanding the specifics of the various illusions of Free Will, and the way in which it may be rational to act in regard to this.

I would like to propose three types of Free Will.

Pragmatic, Counter-intuitive , and Deistic.

Pragmatic Free Will can be understood as Free Will, that we can accept as existing, in practical terms. For example, to pick up a pencil, or not. To order chicken or beef. Decisions which we feel, in practical terms, we are free to choose one option or another.

Counter-intuitive Free Will can be understood as choices made in opposition to our disposition. I will propose two other elements here, that this type of Free Will must be caused in part by an event, and with effort. For example, a homosexual who develops a heterosexual lifestyle must be influenced by an event (ie, a religious experience) and with effort.

Deistic Free Will is not proposed as actual Free Will but as the closest imitation to what we may consider actual, or God-like Free Will, where one may make counter-intuitive decisions as though they were Pragmatic. A person who can decide rationally to live or die, love or not love another person, support one candidate or another be one type of person or another, as they choose, as easily as picking up a pencil, or ordering beef or chicken could be said to have (Psudo)Desitic Free Will.

The basic proposal is that while we may not be able to have 'Free Will' in the traditional sense, through broadening our knowledge and range of experience, it may be possible to manifest greater types of Free Will in areas where it would seem to most matter.