In my guts I know why I woke depressed and stayed so. I get terse when depressed and was fortunate not to have to deal with people much during my work day. Even now I'm in a very dark mood, joyless and angry. I can still feel, it's not a total eclipse, but there's been a very bad moon risen over me today. This evening, about a hour before I went home, I found out about the college shooting in Oregon late this morning.
Something snapped.
Shootings are the
new normal.
This cannot stand.
Somehow in my heart,
I already knew.
I don't care who chooses to believe me anymore than I care who may disbelieve. By all accounts I've seen so far the shooting started right around the time I was just waking for work. I almost never remember my dreams from deep slumber in terms of particular details, but sometimes I feel the last bits of my dreams as I wake. I remember feeling as though something had been kept from me or like a bunch of "people" had crowded in front of something I needed to see. There was a distinct sense of manipulation or betrayal, and desperate anger.
I remember feeling a dire urgency and although I didn't really have the time I thought about diving back into sleep. Sometimes I can pick back up this way and even return some memory from the interrupted dream. Instead I chalked the half rembered feeling up to thinking about my past while going to sleep in preparation for writing more of it this weekend. I figured so for most of the day. I also figured the depression was a similar reaction, but this felt different.
It rankled.
It still does.
It has both,
teeth AND legs.
I've got the basic story down as well as a fairly detailed Yahoo article can do, and likewise am still finding things out. I'm not "here" to worry about the deets right now.
No.
There will be a season for
that and more.
Right now this is about the trend I'm seeing and what it represents.
I copied the attached pic from Yahoo. It's going everywhere right now anyway and figure they wouldn't mind me borrowing it to make my non-profit point.
The trend is higher highs and higher lows quarter over quarter and the recent uptick indicates a terribly bloody bull market indeed. Moloch has learned to franchise and it's opening more new wounds every year. Schools would be what you might call tempting targets, neh? I wonder whose dollars are riding this bull. I do.
All mystic bullshit aside, it's too much blood for the market to ultimately bear and MUST BE STOPPED.
But how? The hordes of shrieking, egotistical and terrified monkeys taking various sides in the inevitable shitstorms to come are now a major part of the problem, and they have cash! LOTS OF CASH IN A POLITICAL WAR-ZONE AND A NEED TO BE RIGHT!!
Actually stopping the trend is impossible without a serious market intervention. But how? What is driving this freak storm up to such heights? How can we examine and understand the forces at work in an engine while it's already malfunctioning and running wild?
Wanna lose a hand?
Heads are popular
lately..
Thanks "ISIS"!
Maybe it's just me,
but could it be the sea
of blood we've wrought
elsewhere coming home?
It's all bound to return
eventually.
No time to think about that shit now though! Oh no! There's no plug to pull, no emergency stop switch, no fire suppression or pressure vents, and it would seem the Boss' message box is full.
I only know that
if I want there to
be No More;
I must Know More.
Even if I can't figure out how to stop it I have to try.
There must be
NO MORE!!
OR KILL ME!!!
Though,
should any try,
do not fail.
I hate being
interrupted
when I'm busy,
and it seems
I've been quite mad
all day.
Quote from: CNNBefore going into spinal surgery, Anastasia Boylan told her father and brother the gunman entered her classroom firing. The professor in the classroom was shot point blank. Others were hit, she told her family.
Everyone in the classroom dropped to the ground.
The gunman, while reloading his handgun, ordered the students to stand up if they were Christians, Boylan told her family.
"And they would stand up and he said, 'Good, because you're a Christian, you're going to see God in just about one second,'" Boylan's father, Stacy, told CNN, relaying her account.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/01/us/oregon-college-shooting/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/01/us/oregon-college-shooting/)
This conflicts notably with another story found on yahoo.
Quote from: YahooKortney Moore, 18, told the local News Review newspaper that she was in her writing class in Snyder Hall when a gunshot came through the window and struck her teacher in the head.
Inside the classroom, Moore said, the gunman told people to get on the ground, then asked them to stand up and state their religion before he started shooting.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gunman-opens-fire-oregon-college-10-killed-000609883.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/gunman-opens-fire-oregon-college-10-killed-000609883.html)
What is sure is that the shooter was motivated to especially target for religion. The other things I've sifted through leave a very schetchy sense of exactly how the shooter was tracked and encountered, but two officers seem to have taken him out without chance to question him. He was quite thoroughly equipped for an extended campaign. I gotta get some sleep.
I walked out of the classroom with Kate and Rya and we met up in the library and we were talking about the weird girl and whether we should invite her to study group and Kate got a text and her eyes got big and she said "Where is Rosenberg?" and I said "Who?" and she said "Oh, I misread it, it's Roseburg" and I said "South" and she said "There's a shooting at the college, 14 people are dead and it's still going on" and we were supposed to be studying but you can't study when other people in another college in another town in your state were just in class just like you were and now they're dead for no reason.
Manufactured normalcy is just one of those things they use to jerk you around by the septum piercing until you are properly conditioned.
I have always espoused 2nd amendment rights, but it is beginning to occur to me that the organizations that support firearm ownership get a little gleeful when things like this happen; as if it is a vindication of their beliefs in some manner. As if this were expected. And it is. Two school shootings in one day isn't worth remarking on.
Tucson has many problems, as I'm sure I've talked about once or twice, but right now we are feeling inadequate. We wonder where our shootings are. I mean, we're kind of important, right? Did we miss a meeting? We stare at our cellphones, waiting for the validation of meaningless violence.
But I think the real reason we don't have that violence is that the conditions under which that violence flourishes do not exist here. Unlike Oregon, we don't have too much racial tension. We don't have a lot of really radical Christians (ours prefer to starve people to death rather than use bullets on them). Our right wing nuts are more 1980s...They are more concerned with getting their agenda into the education curriculum than in shooting the students.
Of course, it's hard to say if Tucson will look like Portland or Sandy Hook 30 years after they succeed in doing so.
The news will talk about religion for sure, because religious violence has legs forever.
But if you hate yourself, go read the thread on 4chan
Because of course fuckstick was a channer
His posts aren't useful, he was trying to make sure that he wouldn't be stopped
But the responses.
"If he'd had a girlfriend this wouldn't have happened."
And maybe that could be said in a way that's not awful, but that's not the way they say it there. They say it like the women of the world failed in their duty to pair up with every last man. Like this is our fault, for none of us being attracted to him. Like a woman's love would have fixed his broken mind, and we're all to blame for his actions.
Like we did this to ourselves.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 02, 2015, 06:10:08 PM
The news will talk about religion for sure, because religious violence has legs forever.
But if you hate yourself, go read the thread on 4chan
Because of course fuckstick was a channer
His posts aren't useful, he was trying to make sure that he wouldn't be stopped
But the responses.
"If he'd had a girlfriend this wouldn't have happened."
And maybe that could be said in a way that's not awful, but that's not the way they say it there. They say it like the women of the world failed in their duty to pair up with every last man. Like this is our fault, for none of us being attracted to him. Like a woman's love would have fixed his broken mind, and we're all to blame for his actions.
Like we did this to ourselves.
It's circular logic. "If the crazy that kept him from getting a girlfriend later caused him to kill people, then..."
And I am unsure what the solution is, there. Should he have been ISSUED one?
Right? From the stock of extra women, just assigned one by the Powers That Be.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 02, 2015, 07:12:45 PM
Right? From the stock of extra women, just assigned one by the Powers That Be.
Yes. We don't tell the fedora crowd that we have a warehouse full of bootie. Round, perfect bootie.
Then you have to ask yourself, "How much domestic violence/killings occur because a fucktard DID get a girlfriend?"
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2015, 07:55:02 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 02, 2015, 07:12:45 PM
Right? From the stock of extra women, just assigned one by the Powers That Be.
Yes. We don't tell the fedora crowd that we have a warehouse full of bootie. Round, perfect bootie.
So basically the diamond market?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2015, 07:55:02 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 02, 2015, 07:12:45 PM
Right? From the stock of extra women, just assigned one by the Powers That Be.
Yes. We don't tell the fedora crowd that we have a warehouse full of bootie. Round, perfect bootie.
Then you have to ask yourself, "How much domestic violence/killings occur because a fucktard DID get a girlfriend?"
That's just it. If this dude was so cracked then I think any likely gf would have done little good. There's no amount of placation that can fix an ill mind. It just feeds the beast or the person attempting placation breaks free.
I wish I didn't have to work. It's Oktoberfest this weekend, and I plan to stay indoors and write while the folks run around and drink themselves stupid. I'll visit some friends tonight probably.
More to say later for sure.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 02, 2015, 08:09:55 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2015, 07:55:02 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 02, 2015, 07:12:45 PM
Right? From the stock of extra women, just assigned one by the Powers That Be.
Yes. We don't tell the fedora crowd that we have a warehouse full of bootie. Round, perfect bootie.
Then you have to ask yourself, "How much domestic violence/killings occur because a fucktard DID get a girlfriend?"
That's just it. If this dude was so cracked then I think any likely gf would have done little good. There's no amount of placation that can fix an ill mind. It just feeds the beast or the person attempting placation breaks free.
I wish I didn't have to work. It's Oktoberfest this weekend, and I plan to stay indoors and write while the folks run around and drink themselves stupid. I'll visit some friends tonight probably.
More to say later for sure.
Well, it's like this: People gave up on the future, because we got to the future, and it was not as advertised. Never mind that in a lot of ways, it's BETTER than it was advertised, but people still feel ripped off. So they have abandoned it. Look around you? When is the last time democracy felt like the future?
So you have all these people who feel as if they're living in the ruins of the World's Fair, and there's nothing but rusted displays and dead pigeons. So why NOT shoot people? Hell, to many people, that's the only way they could feel like the world is
listening. It's why we call them crazy, after all. You have this kid, he has no girlfriend because he has never learned the skills & filters you need to have ANY kind of friend, and he finally gives up.
I can't say I can't understand what was going through his head. You're miserable and depressed and eventually you start blaming everyone around you, or even humanity in general. The whole world is some horrible, bleak carnival, and you want to shake everyone around you and scream at them. But then you just kinda fart and watch internet porn. Until they day you
don't.
This is what happens when you finally run out of reasons to live, and your moral sense has been eroded by isolation. And it doesn't matter what caused that isolation. We can point and holler and call him a chan-er and /whatever/, but it doesn't change what was going on in his head or what the end results were. But that's exactly what we do, instead of trying to figure out what happened so maybe we can arrange it so this doesn't happen so often.
But that's
the future, and does not live up to our Dirty Harry expectations.
:mittens:
What's interesting is that it's not going to be the future that saves you from your own head. No, it's the ancient things mankind has always done when faced with a stark, cold universe that doesn't give a shit if we live or die. We create art, we sing, we dance badly. In fact, I would say that last one is the most important of the bunch. Dancing is social, even if you're doing it alone, AND it gets the blood pumping, which by itself improves your mindset.
Pop music, for another example, is probably the best thing that ever happened to the human race. It isn't "artistically significant". It isn't high culture. It DOES, though, make people feel good...Especially at the ages in which you are most likely to explode (teens and 40s).
I don't feel that it is a coincidence that the people who do these things were always "the quiet, polite" boy next door. If they'd been encouraged to lose their shit on the dance floor - wherever that may be, the club or the shower - they might not have been as likely to give up.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2015, 09:39:14 PM
What's interesting is that it's not going to be the future that saves you from your own head. No, it's the ancient things mankind has always done when faced with a stark, cold universe that doesn't give a shit if we live or die. We create art, we sing, we dance badly. In fact, I would say that last one is the most important of the bunch. Dancing is social, even if you're doing it alone, AND it gets the blood pumping, which by itself improves your mindset.
Pop music, for another example, is probably the best thing that ever happened to the human race. It isn't "artistically significant". It isn't high culture. It DOES, though, make people feel good...Especially at the ages in which you are most likely to explode (teens and 40s).
I don't feel that it is a coincidence that the people who do these things were always "the quiet, polite" boy next door. If they'd been encouraged to lose their shit on the dance floor - wherever that may be, the club or the shower - they might not have been as likely to give up.
:mittens:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2015, 09:39:14 PM
What's interesting is that it's not going to be the future that saves you from your own head. No, it's the ancient things mankind has always done when faced with a stark, cold universe that doesn't give a shit if we live or die. We create art, we sing, we dance badly. In fact, I would say that last one is the most important of the bunch. Dancing is social, even if you're doing it alone, AND it gets the blood pumping, which by itself improves your mindset.
Pop music, for another example, is probably the best thing that ever happened to the human race. It isn't "artistically significant". It isn't high culture. It DOES, though, make people feel good...Especially at the ages in which you are most likely to explode (teens and 40s).
I don't feel that it is a coincidence that the people who do these things were always "the quiet, polite" boy next door. If they'd been encouraged to lose their shit on the dance floor - wherever that may be, the club or the shower - they might not have been as likely to give up.
:mittens:
The truth right here. Lots to reply to ITT when I can, but I think this has got to be a part of the any possible solution.
It is very akin to the spirit behind the fictional Telos Foundation I did a brief write up on here a while back. Existential Despair Syndrome is a fiction that I suspect mirrors a very real problem.
Lunch is past over. Back later.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 02, 2015, 10:08:22 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2015, 09:39:14 PM
What's interesting is that it's not going to be the future that saves you from your own head. No, it's the ancient things mankind has always done when faced with a stark, cold universe that doesn't give a shit if we live or die. We create art, we sing, we dance badly. In fact, I would say that last one is the most important of the bunch. Dancing is social, even if you're doing it alone, AND it gets the blood pumping, which by itself improves your mindset.
Pop music, for another example, is probably the best thing that ever happened to the human race. It isn't "artistically significant". It isn't high culture. It DOES, though, make people feel good...Especially at the ages in which you are most likely to explode (teens and 40s).
I don't feel that it is a coincidence that the people who do these things were always "the quiet, polite" boy next door. If they'd been encouraged to lose their shit on the dance floor - wherever that may be, the club or the shower - they might not have been as likely to give up.
:mittens:
The truth right here. Lots to reply to ITT when I can, but I think this has got to be a part of the any possible solution.
It is very akin to the spirit behind the fictional Telos Foundation I did a brief write up on here a while back. Existential Despair Syndrome is a fiction that I suspect mirrors a very real problem.
Lunch is past over. Back later.
Oh, yeah, I'm not saying it's THE solution. Just an important part of one.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2015, 07:55:02 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 02, 2015, 07:12:45 PM
Right? From the stock of extra women, just assigned one by the Powers That Be.
Yes. We don't tell the fedora crowd that we have a warehouse full of bootie. Round, perfect bootie.
Then you have to ask yourself, "How much domestic violence/killings occur because a fucktard DID get a girlfriend?"
This exactly.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2015, 05:14:40 PM
I have always espoused 2nd amendment rights, but it is beginning to occur to me that the organizations that support firearm ownership get a little gleeful when things like this happen; as if it is a vindication of their beliefs in some manner. As if this were expected. And it is. Two school shootings in one day isn't worth remarking on.
http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/09/30/s-dakota-high-school-principal-shot-wounded-students-safe (http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/09/30/s-dakota-high-school-principal-shot-wounded-students-safe)
Went hunting for more about the second shooting. There's little hype comparatively and NO articles I've found so far that are asking the question "So what does it mean when 2 entirely unrelated school shootings happen in 1 day?"
It's almost like the story is being treated as unimportant because, it so happens, nobody died. It seems to me that the narrative of "2 shootings on the same day" is being entirely avoided. I wander into conspiracy theory if I suggest intent. It could be, but I don't think intent is necessarily what's happening.
I think we've gotten to the point where an attempted murder just doesn't raise flags anymore. It should though. I think the system is truly in shock and unable to process properly.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 04, 2015, 08:43:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2015, 05:14:40 PM
I have always espoused 2nd amendment rights, but it is beginning to occur to me that the organizations that support firearm ownership get a little gleeful when things like this happen; as if it is a vindication of their beliefs in some manner. As if this were expected. And it is. Two school shootings in one day isn't worth remarking on.
http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/09/30/s-dakota-high-school-principal-shot-wounded-students-safe (http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/09/30/s-dakota-high-school-principal-shot-wounded-students-safe)
Went hunting for more about the second shooting. There's little hype comparatively and NO articles I've found so far that are asking the question "So what does it mean when 2 entirely unrelated school shootings happen in 1 day?"
It's almost like the story is being treated as unimportant because, it so happens, nobody died. It seems to me that the narrative of "2 shootings on the same day" is being entirely avoided. I wander into conspiracy theory if I suggest intent. It could be, but I don't think intent is necessarily what's happening.
I think we've gotten to the point where an attempted murder just doesn't raise flags anymore. It should though. I think the system is truly in shock and unable to process properly.
Even the opposite is true, the person with the highest kill count in a mass shooting is never brought up. When they talk about deadly shootings. Execpt to mention why no one brings him up.
Quote from: Meunster on October 04, 2015, 09:07:13 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 04, 2015, 08:43:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2015, 05:14:40 PM
I have always espoused 2nd amendment rights, but it is beginning to occur to me that the organizations that support firearm ownership get a little gleeful when things like this happen; as if it is a vindication of their beliefs in some manner. As if this were expected. And it is. Two school shootings in one day isn't worth remarking on.
http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/09/30/s-dakota-high-school-principal-shot-wounded-students-safe (http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/09/30/s-dakota-high-school-principal-shot-wounded-students-safe)
Went hunting for more about the second shooting. There's little hype comparatively and NO articles I've found so far that are asking the question "So what does it mean when 2 entirely unrelated school shootings happen in 1 day?"
It's almost like the story is being treated as unimportant because, it so happens, nobody died. It seems to me that the narrative of "2 shootings on the same day" is being entirely avoided. I wander into conspiracy theory if I suggest intent. It could be, but I don't think intent is necessarily what's happening.
I think we've gotten to the point where an attempted murder just doesn't raise flags anymore. It should though. I think the system is truly in shock and unable to process properly.
Even the opposite is true, the person with the highest kill count in a mass shooting is never brought up. When they talk about deadly shootings. Execpt to mention why no one brings him up.
I don't quite grasp what you mean. Do you mean comparatively from shooting to shooting?
The whole point I'm making is that we seem to register a minimal "score" of sorts now rather than taking any individual instance of intent as a part of the whole. problem.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 04, 2015, 11:38:38 PM
Quote from: Meunster on October 04, 2015, 09:07:13 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 04, 2015, 08:43:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2015, 05:14:40 PM
I have always espoused 2nd amendment rights, but it is beginning to occur to me that the organizations that support firearm ownership get a little gleeful when things like this happen; as if it is a vindication of their beliefs in some manner. As if this were expected. And it is. Two school shootings in one day isn't worth remarking on.
http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/09/30/s-dakota-high-school-principal-shot-wounded-students-safe (http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/09/30/s-dakota-high-school-principal-shot-wounded-students-safe)
Went hunting for more about the second shooting. There's little hype comparatively and NO articles I've found so far that are asking the question "So what does it mean when 2 entirely unrelated school shootings happen in 1 day?"
It's almost like the story is being treated as unimportant because, it so happens, nobody died. It seems to me that the narrative of "2 shootings on the same day" is being entirely avoided. I wander into conspiracy theory if I suggest intent. It could be, but I don't think intent is necessarily what's happening.
I think we've gotten to the point where an attempted murder just doesn't raise flags anymore. It should though. I think the system is truly in shock and unable to process properly.
Even the opposite is true, the person with the highest kill count in a mass shooting is never brought up. When they talk about deadly shootings. Execpt to mention why no one brings him up.
I don't quite grasp what you mean. Do you mean comparatively from shooting to shooting?
The whole point I'm making is that we seem to register a minimal "score" of sorts now rather than taking any individual instance of intent as a part of the whole. problem.
Sorry was at work so I wasn't able to fully flesh out my ideas. Was just saying that the lack of hype from the shooting where no one died is comparable to how some of the higher kill count shootings are talked about now. Like even though they've happened just a few years ago no one in the news even mentions them. They only mention the Columbine kids, movie theater kid, and the child school shooter. Ones like Cho who killed 32, despite only happening 7 years ago are glossed over because they don't have any shock value. The oregan shooter only has his religious spin. His /r9k/ post, and also how he was carrying the 3 most wanted banned guns is conspiracy theoryish (but I'm not crazy enough to believe shit like that). It'll probably be glossed over too in a few years. Which is scary.
Guess I was saying the kill count doesn't matter it's more the shock value and how the news can spin it. Kinda like how ebola isn't in the news anymore. Saying that there doesn't have to be a minimal score, just they have to do something new.