Police Mounted Cameras

[NotPublished]

The ideas here are conflicting, while I do agree that Police themselves should be watched. But are they so damn untrust worthy that they have to in the first place? I suppose that doesn't really need answering.

But will this start new trends?

[Triple Zero]

Its conflicting though hey.

Everyones just fucked, so whats one more thing going to do?

When will it ever cancel each other

wut

you know, when are things going to magically turn out fine, in the end?

cause, the world's been getting crazier and crazier and creepier, but it's just a phase right?

i mean, what goes down must at some point go up right?

we can stop any moment we want to right?

at some point, people will just get tired of this mess, think "well that was interesting" and then everything goes back to normal right?

after all, we can't possibly just keep going deeper and deeper forever and digging further and in more twisted ways

there's gotta be a bottom to this rabbithole, and that's when everything will start getting better again.

[NotPublished]

Its conflicting though hey.

Everyones just fucked, so whats one more thing going to do?

When will it ever cancel each other

wut

you know, when are things going to magically turn out fine, in the end?

cause, the world's been getting crazier and crazier and creepier, but it's just a phase right?

i mean, what goes down must at some point go up right?

we can stop any moment we want to right?

at some point, people will just get tired of this mess, think "well that was interesting" and then everything goes back to normal right?

after all, we can't possibly just keep going deeper and deeper forever and digging further and in more twisted ways

there's gotta be a bottom to this rabbithole, and that's when everything will start getting better again.

... can't we just blow up the world already ? =/

I don't even know what sarcasm is anymore :O Reboot!

... everyones still fucked. I am just slightly more than the rest.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Its conflicting though hey.

Everyones just fucked, so whats one more thing going to do?

When will it ever cancel each other

wut

you know, when are things going to magically turn out fine, in the end?

cause, the world's been getting crazier and crazier and creepier, but it's just a phase right?

i mean, what goes down must at some point go up right?

we can stop any moment we want to right?

at some point, people will just get tired of this mess, think "well that was interesting" and then everything goes back to normal right?

after all, we can't possibly just keep going deeper and deeper forever and digging further and in more twisted ways

there's gotta be a bottom to this rabbithole, and that's when everything will start getting better again.

In a word - "no" 

[Reginald Ret]

I think this is a good idea. It will keep cops in line and if someone is innocent these cameras might prevent them from being unjustly prosecuted.

translation:
Our rights are being stepped on! We demand less rights!

[Jenne]

Things that made me go "Hmmm" from the article:

San Jose is the first major American city to try the devices, made by Arizona-based Taser International. Taser is paying for the experiment, but the price could be high if San Jose equips all 1,400 officers.

Each kit costs $1,700, plus a $99 per officer monthly fee. That's $4 million department-wide each year.

So, cherchez la femme, as the French used to say.  Or, in this case--find the source of the $ that's backing this operation.  Taser International has heard that "excessive force" is being used by San Jose police.  So they back their new device being used as a "tryout"...so that the cops are exonerated and can go on using their tasers.

...that's sorta how I read THAT.  I could be wrong.

[Richter]

It seems like constant recording / surveillance would open the individual judgements and calls each officer makes up to some truly corproate levels of scrutiny, second guessing, and contradiction. 

Also, I can't see ANY union being happy about this.

[P3nT4gR4m]

When Big Brother is watching you your only recourse is to watch Big Brother right the hell back.

They are invading my privacy - I'll invade theirs. I'm getting myself a headcam for great justice.

Lets see them try to pull prevention of terrorism act cos I'm recording things they don't want me to record. Like lets literally see that shit, on camera - mine and theirs.

I predict shitstorm. I predict - try and find the footage assholes - it went straight on the internets

I always said when the filth get to carry guns - that's when I'm getting a gun. Same goes for cameras.

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

This is not something new.

Y'all know that right?

I mean there are video cameras everywhere.  They've shown where they can follow someone across town just by the various survellience cameras in parking lots and red light cameras.  Not to mention the traffic cameras.  Vehicle mounted cameras. 

[hooplala]

Provided we have access to the live feed, I have no problem with cameras all over public space.

[Cramulus]

When I'm talking to a cop, what I'm afraid of is that he can spin the police report any way he'd like. If I don't trust his authority, there's no other authority nearby to which I can appeal.

My buddy is a cop and it sounds like there is definitely a lot of shenanigans which pass because the cop's word is always more trusted than the accused.

My buddy also reminds me that civilians have power over the cops too. As a cop, you can lose your career if one guy decides to take you down with a well spun lie. Or if they catch you doing something fucked up, it's your whole job on the line. I see these cameras as being something which keeps cops in check. The panopticon finally turned on the jailers rather than the jailed!

I think the ++cameras in the UK have proved fairly useless, right? They are finding that putting a camera on every corner had NO EFFECT on crime?


Jenne makes a great point though. Cui bono?

Cameras on every corner are one thing, cameras observing the people given lots of authority are another.

Speaking of cameras on every corner, I heard a story about a city installing speed traps and then uninstalling them because they worked too well. Everyone stopped speeding and the city was no longer able to obtain any revenue from speeding tickets.

that's crazy! Any idea what city that was?

[Triple Zero]

I was just watching a talk by Bruce Schneier about privacy. Anyone who's really interested in this stuff,

the reasons:he says lack of privacy is not because of malice--it's just because Data is a by-product of information society, he makes a good case about it, and I think he's right

as well as the ramifications: storage is as good as free, computation is as good as free, it's no longer "follow that car", it's "follow every car", it's cheaper to just save everything and surveil things in hindsight than figuring out what's useful to save!

I'm just 16 minutes in, and it's highly relevant to this thread, I dunno where he's going after that, but if you can spare the 16 minutes (you can even skip the first 4-5, he's summarizing all sorts of stuff that gets saved, I think everybody knows that by now).



about usefulness we instated mandatory ID about 3 years ago, and were promised an evaluation. the evaluation is there--they say it's successfull, because a lot more arrests have been made, it costs 50 euros if you don't carry ID, jokingly called the "fine doubler", police like it of course (see also Schneier's talk), but the bottom line is: Has it made an impact on crime? And the answer in the report is no. They still say it's successfull though.

[LMNO]

Cameras on every corner are one thing, cameras observing the people given lots of authority are another.

Speaking of cameras on every corner, I heard a story about a city installing speed traps and then uninstalling them because they worked too well. Everyone stopped speeding and the city was no longer able to obtain any revenue from speeding tickets.

Anybody else laughing at the fact that, rather than seek to eliminate it, cities absolutely depend on crime in order to stay solvent?

[Richter]

Quick thought:  how will this affect day to day policing?

Will this lead to a certain degree of acting, or speaking for the sake of the camera or the eventualy viewer?  

[Elder Iptuous]

Quick thought:  how will this affect day to day policing?

Will this lead to a certain degree of acting, or speaking for the sake of the camera or the eventualy viewer?  

I can't imagine that it wouldn't to some degree...

hell, i act differently if i think there is a chance that i might be on camera.  but then i'm paranoid.

I sometimes think an apology for rude thoughts on the off chance that the subject of the thought is able to read minds.  Then i usually think about chastising them for being so rude as to read my mind without acknowledging it...

Perhaps someone has done a study on behavioral change due to dashboard cams?
It obviously hasn't stopped all abuses, but i would be surprised if it didn't affect behavior to some degree...