So what's this whole Race and Gender thing all about....

[Chelagoras The Boulder]

This particular individual(though not necessarily representative of anyone else) openly stated her intention to stifle it. It's depressing as hell.

What you have there is tumblr, Sanders groupies, and my mom.

You bring up Tumblr, do you think that the medium in which these discussions happen matter? does this method just not work on the internet, since people feel less inhibited to be assholes there?

[LMNO]

From what I hear, it's happening in some colleges, as well.

[Doktor Howl]

This particular individual(though not necessarily representative of anyone else) openly stated her intention to stifle it. It's depressing as hell.

What you have there is tumblr, Sanders groupies, and my mom.

You bring up Tumblr, do you think that the medium in which these discussions happen matter? does this method just not work on the internet, since people feel less inhibited to be assholes there?

The fart blanket occurs at any time in which only one opinion can be expressed.  It is best described by tumblr, upon which only comments allowed by the blog owner see daylight.  Any time that occurs, IRL, internet, whatever, it becomes a downward spiral of extremism.

For non-SJW types doing this, go to a Sanders page on FB and express any sort of opinion that doesn't involve Sanders sweeping the nation in both the primary and the general election.

Wear a hard hat.

[Cain]

This particular individual(though not necessarily representative of anyone else) openly stated her intention to stifle it. It's depressing as hell.

What you have there is tumblr, Sanders groupies, and my mom.

You bring up Tumblr, do you think that the medium in which these discussions happen matter? does this method just not work on the internet, since people feel less inhibited to be assholes there?

I'm not sure I'm reading you right, but people absolutely tend towards assholism and extremism online, far more so than IRL.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

well, also does one make allowances for expertise? Like, how much would say a white professor of African Studies with a history of social activism get to say on the topic of black civil rights, compared to say a black teenager who has much day to day experience with racism but has no idea how to lead a social movement? There seems to be an assumption that based on ones race or gender that the people in the group already know what the speaker is going to contribute to the group and have already decided that it is inherently of less value than something another person might say.

Everything is context dependent. It sounds like it might just be a shitty group full of immature people.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think I'm gonna hand the expertise on the subject of race over to the people with the most day-to-day experience with it.

Would you prefer to have a high rise building's tabs (the metal hangers that are used to hold the concrete slabs in place) inspected by a welder with 20 years experience, or an engineering professor with zero time in the field?

And this would also be the perfect time for questions -- specifically, the white professor asking questions of the black teens.

I would hope that a white professor of Black studies would have the depth of knowledge to understand when he is not an appropriate leader. The white expert on black culture might have some valuable contributions to a black civil rights movement, but he couldn't lead it effectively. He could make suggestions, but no matter how much he had studied, it would be terribly paternalistic for him to try to lead. "Hey black people, just do what I say and I will lead you out of white oppression".

[LMNO]

That sounds very similar to a lot of BLM complaints about Sanders when he says, "trust me, racism is an economic issue."

[Chelagoras The Boulder]

This particular individual(though not necessarily representative of anyone else) openly stated her intention to stifle it. It's depressing as hell.

What you have there is tumblr, Sanders groupies, and my mom.

You bring up Tumblr, do you think that the medium in which these discussions happen matter? does this method just not work on the internet, since people feel less inhibited to be assholes there?

I'm not sure I'm reading you right, but people absolutely tend towards assholism and extremism online, far more so than IRL.

I guess i meant to ask, would this method work better IRL, since I've only seen it used on tumblr to start flamewars.

[Doktor Howl]

This particular individual(though not necessarily representative of anyone else) openly stated her intention to stifle it. It's depressing as hell.

What you have there is tumblr, Sanders groupies, and my mom.

You bring up Tumblr, do you think that the medium in which these discussions happen matter? does this method just not work on the internet, since people feel less inhibited to be assholes there?

I'm not sure I'm reading you right, but people absolutely tend towards assholism and extremism online, far more so than IRL.

I guess i meant to ask, would this method work better IRL, since I've only seen it used on tumblr to start flamewars.

You can't really talk to extremists.  It's what makes them extremists.

[Chelagoras The Boulder]

I think I'm gonna hand the expertise on the subject of race over to the people with the most day-to-day experience with it.

Would you prefer to have a high rise building's tabs (the metal hangers that are used to hold the concrete slabs in place) inspected by a welder with 20 years experience, or an engineering professor with zero time in the field?

And this would also be the perfect time for questions -- specifically, the white professor asking questions of the black teens.

I would hope that a white professor of Black studies would have the depth of knowledge to understand when he is not an appropriate leader. The white expert on black culture might have some valuable contributions to a black civil rights movement, but he couldn't lead it effectively. He could make suggestions, but no matter how much he had studied, it would be terribly paternalistic for him to try to lead. "Hey black people, just do what I say and I will lead you out of white oppression".

so basically the professor would need to be less Arthur, more Merlin.

[Don Coyote]

This particular individual(though not necessarily representative of anyone else) openly stated her intention to stifle it. It's depressing as hell.

What you have there is tumblr, Sanders groupies, and my mom.

You bring up Tumblr, do you think that the medium in which these discussions happen matter? does this method just not work on the internet, since people feel less inhibited to be assholes there?

The fart blanket occurs at any time in which only one opinion can be expressed.  It is best described by tumblr, upon which only comments allowed by the blog owner see daylight.  Any time that occurs, IRL, internet, whatever, it becomes a downward spiral of extremism.

For non-SJW types doing this, go to a Sanders page on FB and express any sort of opinion that doesn't involve Sanders sweeping the nation in both the primary and the general election.

Wear a hard hat.

I'm going to have to disagree with your assertion that only comments allowed by the blog owner will see daylight. Tumblr isn't set up that. Once a post is made on Tumblr anyone who reblogs that post can make whatever comments they want, and can currently edit the text of the original and any other reblogged comments. It's a fart blanket because it's easy for anyone who doesn't make the original post to only see comments made by blogs they follow, or those comments that are being targeted for a call-out.

Tumblr is like Twitter but with no character limit.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

That sounds very similar to a lot of BLM complaints about Sanders when he says, "trust me, racism is an economic issue."

Yes, very much.

[Chelagoras The Boulder]

well, also does one make allowances for expertise? Like, how much would say a white professor of African Studies with a history of social activism get to say on the topic of black civil rights, compared to say a black teenager who has much day to day experience with racism but has no idea how to lead a social movement? There seems to be an assumption that based on ones race or gender that the people in the group already know what the speaker is going to contribute to the group and have already decided that it is inherently of less value than something another person might say.

Everything is context dependent. It sounds like it might just be a shitty group full of immature people.

This reminds me of this: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIvwupbScpM

see, i've been thinking about this and this is what bothers me, is that, this sort of rule about who can speak most makes the exercise into a  sort of social game where everyone is fighting to be the least privileged person in the discussion because we're still monkeys and love being the top monkey most of all. Or, failing that, they will make up things to be victimized for (see Otherkin, Fictives) because hey, social status right?

but at the same time, I don't really see another alternative. Old school Socratic discourse maybe, but i don't see that catching on. Ideally i just wish that instead of a hard and fast rule that can be used as a cudgel to shut up people you don't agree with, there was just a general understanding that discussions like this are like visiting a foreign country. You go to France or where ever to absorb a new kind of cultural experience, so it's best to sit back and absorb it as much as you can. Drink the wine taste the food, and for gods sake, don't go on about how in America, the pasta is deep fried and comes with unlimited breadsticks.

I wish people could talk to each other like that, without being  assholes, but then again i also wish for unicorns to piss rainbows and for everything to taste like chocolate, soo......

[Meunster]

Man, if only there was a internet forum where you we're only judged off what you posted, with no prior prejudices from race, gender, past, etc.
Oh wait, there is, and it's a shit hole.

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

Article 5   Freedom from ... Degrading Treatment

I would tweak this one. It is sufficient for the amount of degrading treatment to be equal for all; that it be specifically zero for all is unnecessarily specific and probably conducive to narcissism.