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#16
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 10, 2015, 12:11:04 AM
You missed my point about the unicycler. He does it every day. There are two unicycle stores in my town now, because everyone wants to be unique just like him.


Ah so do I take it your objection is not to the man himself but the way everybody copies him, and and comes out with the same sort of stuff. I must say I am finding all these posts on this thread enlightening.


The observer is like fungus it is true and I am being an observant fungus, occupying the spaces between the mountains of types, like the shape of fiords.


I suppose it is in the nature of one who observes to make some peoples skin crawl, I mean no harm by it, but there you go some people when they look in my direction do not like what they see reflected in my shiny skin. I  see their reactions and feel for them, but I have no power to alter what they choose to pick from those reflections.
Some would have me stop, but I so like the spaces others do not seem to see.

I would never interfere with Albert's Sisyphus

Pushing his boulder up the hill happily imposing his meaning on an indifferent world. I am not being horrible, or antagonistic, I am not looking down, in many ways I am in awe of what is being created. The trouble is I think you are programmed to not like me contemplating barstools it upsets you too much.

So I make my request of you all so that you do not have to see the reflection of yourselves in my skin any longer than you have to.

Why do you feel the need to impose your meanings on the world?
#17
Yes I see you are throwing the barstool, much as predicted.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 10, 2015, 12:11:04 AM
Oh. You're not here to communicate. Why didn't you say so in the first place?

You assert I am not here to communicate, and then ask why I did not communicate that at the start.

These assertions might be missing the point, the barstool might be thrown but it does not mean it is on target. So far the assertions as to who I am or am not, what my motivations are have all been spoken by you, and as such I am learning, true not so much about myself, but we are starting to put together a picture of how you react, and that I find informative. I am enjoying this performance you are quite a master of your technique.

Now tell me why do you feel the need to impose your values on others, what benefit do you derive from this desire for control, and is this a constant urge or does it modulate with time?

#18
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Random News Stories
April 09, 2015, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: Reginald Ret on April 09, 2015, 01:44:36 PM
None of those links contained the word Banned and you yourself have not given any definition.
See? Hopeless.
So you want our responses to hearsay? alright.
I think Iceland is doing something very cool, I don't know enough details to comment further.
About how it was handled in the USA? I don't know and don't really care.

You have fulfilled to an extent one of my desires, I knew I was right to be hopeful thank you.

Everybody is dancing now!
#19
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Random News Stories
April 09, 2015, 12:02:55 PM


What me hopeless?

I'm very hopeful indead!

QuoteWho knew that the revolution would start with those radical Icelanders? It does, though. One Frosti Sigurjonsson, a lawmaker from the ruling Progress Party, issued a report today that suggests taking the power to create money away from commercial banks, and hand it to the central bank and, ultimately, Parliament.

Can't see commercial banks in the western world be too happy with this. They must be contemplating wiping the island nation off the map. If accepted in the Iceland parliament , the plan would change the game in a very radical way. It would be successful too, because there is no bigger scourge on our economies than commercial banks creating money and then securitizing and selling off the loans they just created the money (credit) with.

Everyone, with the possible exception of Paul Krugman, understands why this is a very sound idea. Agence France Presse reports:

Iceland Looks At Ending Boom And Bust With Radical Money Plan

Iceland's government is considering a revolutionary monetary proposal – removing the power of commercial banks to create money and handing it to the central bank. The proposal, which would be a turnaround in the history of modern finance, was part of a report written by a lawmaker from the ruling centrist Progress Party, Frosti Sigurjonsson, entitled "A better monetary system for Iceland".

"The findings will be an important contribution to the upcoming discussion, here and elsewhere, on money creation and monetary policy," Prime Minister Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson said. The report, commissioned by the premier, is aimed at putting an end to a monetary system in place through a slew of financial crises, including the latest one in 2008.

According to a study by four central bankers, the country has had "over 20 instances of financial crises of different types" since 1875, with "six serious multiple financial crisis episodes occurring every 15 years on average". Mr Sigurjonsson said the problem each time arose from ballooning credit during a strong economic cycle.

He argued the central bank was unable to contain the credit boom, allowing inflation to rise and sparking exaggerated risk-taking and speculation, the threat of bank collapse and costly state interventions. In Iceland, as in other modern market economies, the central bank controls the creation of banknotes and coins but not the creation of all money, which occurs as soon as a commercial bank offers a line of credit. The central bank can only try to influence the money supply with its monetary policy tools.

Under the so-called Sovereign Money proposal, the country's central bank would become the only creator of money. "Crucially, the power to create money is kept separate from the power to decide how that new money is used," Mr Sigurjonsson wrote in the proposal. "As with the state budget, the parliament will debate the government's proposal for allocation of new money," he wrote.

Banks would continue to manage accounts and payments, and would serve as intermediaries between savers and lenders. Mr Sigurjonsson, a businessman and economist, was one of the masterminds behind Iceland's household debt relief programme launched in May 2014 and aimed at helping the many Icelanders whose finances were strangled by inflation-indexed mortgages signed before the 2008 financial crisis.
http://www.theautomaticearth.com/2015/03/iceland-to-take-back-the-power-to-create-money/

Or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-SiYQ8s_6I

Or
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/nov/15/lessons-from-iceland-people-power

Or it is talked about a bit in blogs but not as far as I know the main paper, is there a reason for this?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/04/02/iceland-has-a-radical-plan-to-redefine-money/

At the moment I am not seeking to define, I just would like to see other peoples perspectives.
#20
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 09, 2015, 04:13:51 AM



Love him. Yes that man maybe working too hard, or he might just be keeping himself fit. He might be just doing it for a bet and immediately go back to submerging himself in blandness. What would be gained by making presumptions about who or what he be. Anyway it would not bore me to talk with him.



The Photheringgay expedition was dogged by the quartermasters predilection for inappropriate clothing.

I had a bad nights sleep because of my ill fitting pyjamas. I tossed and turned but could not get comfortable. Whatever position I took up I found them restrictive. I consulted with many an expert on how to alleviate the problem and was advised the best coarse of action was to buy a onesie, Although it was baggy at the knees the hood actually added to my discomfort. I am old and have seen times change fashions come and go and every designer saying no that was restrictive but now you are free. For most people a change is as good as a rest, so they run around conforming to doctrine after doctrine thinking this dogma must be the true one. However for me I do not desire novelty the constant influx of new badly designed garments to wrap myself in, a change is not a rest, for me least ways it has never worked.
So I am intoned to sell my self in the conventional way, create a vulnerable side that others are happy to identify with, conform to the authenticity that they understand, to say what they say in the way they say it and that will make what is said 'HONEST'?
Tell me how would that 'honesty' be arbitrated. Have you thought for a moment that I might know how to get friends and influence people, that I may have to hand all the tricks needed to gain karma. So I follow your advice conform to your wishes what have I gained? Your friendship? A friendship that is based on saying things you want said in a way that you like, and presumably will only last as long as the pretence is maintained.
Lets admit there is discord, we see her differently and swap our insights, then I think we can have a friendship and one based on trust.

I like to contemplate barstools, are you so restricted that you only have one reaction to that? Honestly I have thought about where I am.



(picture included as a sign of well intentioned advice heeded.)
#21
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Random News Stories
April 08, 2015, 11:21:47 PM
Is it true news of the Icelandic Revolution has been Banned in America?

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/01/11/why-did-media-keep-the-recent-peaceful-icelandic-revolution-quiet/

Certainly in Britain there is very little coverage, but I heard news of it is banned in the states. Can anyone enlighten me?
#22
Eu só perdeu o coelhinho da Páscoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awd7o-t2314

As pessoas que falam português provavelmente não sabe sobre este antigo poema Inglês. Trata-se da luta heróica em Wilmington Harbour. Os polonês imperiais Knish - zepelins estavam prontos para um ataque final. Vou explicar as palavras.

Veja Artilheiro encostá-lo assim.

Antes da batalha oficial do " dadaísta " grita ordens para verificar os Cânones
.
Kevin queimador Trevas.


Kevin o artilheiro detém o fusível que queima com uma chama suave que não iluminam o céu escuro.

Solo Linda.

O dadaístas só tem um canhão que eles chamam de Linda. ( Na história do Inglês gostava de citar Cannons, e mantê-los em suas casas como animais de estimação. Yankees ainda fazer isso.)

Ver arma Andrew chamou solene.,


O dadaístas não seria capaz de defender o forte com apenas um cânone . Então, eles olham para o seu Geral e artista Andrew que desenhou imagens de canhões que procuram solenes para enganar os poloneses imperiais Knish - zepelins .

Eel venha souse seu artilheiro,

Estes dadaístas estavam agora quente esperando para a batalha , para que eles oraram ao deus da enguia, para borrifar com água.

Você não pode dançar ou bater.

O canhão que chamou Andrew não podia disparar contra os Knish - zepelins .

Astúcia, balde cotes uma baleia.
.

Mas isso era tudo parte do plano de Andrew. As máquinas baleia veio para fechar e tem a pintura a partir de fotos de André em todo si.

Ele estava se misturando

Tudo misturado imperiais zepelins poloneses fugiram , e todos os dadaístas do mundo podem se unir sob a bandeira transparente.

Para entender plenamente a beleza do poema, ele tem que ser ouvido falada em Inglês.

Alguns dizem que o melhor sotaque para falar deste poema é a de um cigano egípcio.
#23


There's a point, is a salad a living entity (or entities)?

Can we make friends with a salad?
#25
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 08, 2015, 04:27:31 PM


Oh, right.  I'm out.

That's the whole point, if we thought you were in and and now you're out, or if you we out and came back in it is going to alter the result of the whole experiment isn't it? That's just the sort of thing that's going to trip people up isn't it?
Come on guys where are the parameters? 
#26
Yes and Yes!
Any meanings you wish to withdraw are your own affair.



Has the chair/barstool been defined or is it just an emergent property?

 
#27


You hum it, the Mariachi band will play it.
#28
Yes so far is so good, however in a relative universe it is not the object itself we should consider as much as the relative positioning in relationship to other objects. This in my view is the downfall of most agendas presenting a dialectic materialism. Any experiment is based on an Axiom which itself cannot be proven within its own parameters, we know this and to be fair this is often taken into account, but and it is a big Two Ton Tessie O'Shea type Butt; for an experiment to be considered proven the experiment itself has to contain all the required constituents, and very importantly, the thing which most even astute observers miss is the experiment itself has to be ring fenced. True this may present consistent result, BUTT to exclude the happen-chance of the random impingements of of synergies and vibrations from an external factor which is not accounted for renders in my view a real world application for the data provided less than bespoke.

Consider this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BttXQJ_gDnc


Where do you think this gets us?
Are we open to outside influences?
MTM?
1941 and should she have blamed herself or was that truly another woman?
#29
I think you should find that this is a deep enough explanation of my view. Well actually it isn't, its old and made when I had the intention of maybe visiting the east coast, Mind you even with that admission I am next to sure you will find some points contained within quite moot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITpgYewlwNw
#30
I should have come to this bit first, but then the film ended and I had a cup of Coffee, it should have been tea being English% as there would have been a better ascetic feel to this post' but there you go-
After pressing buttons the Telly has scanners on it now. I




This is a greeting in New Zeeland, however that is on the opposite side of the world (more or less) to me, however when or if we were to consider the the possible size of the matrix any finite length is not going to alter our calculations critically, you might think different.

Though should that concern me. . . . not sure, I am still not that emphatic.