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Principia Discordia => Or Kill Me => Topic started by: Cuddlefish on June 30, 2012, 04:57:05 PM

Title: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Cuddlefish on June 30, 2012, 04:57:05 PM
Free Ride.

I'm getting really sick of people bitching about this supposed "free ride" that people on welfare or any public assistance get. As if one would choose to be impoverished or disabled, or to be born in suboptimal geographical location, or be the victim of financial institutions or natural disasters or addiction or stupid people in general. Free ride. Fuck, you think it's a free ride? I don't see you quitting your job and jumping in the unemployment benefits line. I don't see you giving up your car or your physical health in order to cash in your ticket to a free fucking ride. And that's exactly what you ought to be doing if, in fact, you truly believe it to be a "free ride." Have fun in section 8, you waste of life.

Taxes.

I swear, if I hear another entitled twenty-something-year-old white person in a middle-low to low tax bracket bitch about taxes while simultaneously disputing the need to proportionately tax the highest earners I'm gonna choke a bitch. I am serious. Shut. Up.

Libertarianism.

Oh. My. Fucking. GOD. I HATE THESE PEOPLE! I never encountered a group of people so unwilling or unable to follow their own contrived ideology to it's logical conclusions since the Christians. They even do that other thing Christians do: use their broken "morality" to justify doing terrible things to other people.

Obama.

Honestly, you hate him because he's black. Please just admit this so I can stop hearing about his birth certificate or Kenya, or some other contrived bullshit. If you actually hated Obama for political or intellectual reasons, there's better shit to call him on, like drone strikes, f'rinstance. But nobody talks about that...

TTFN: Ta-Ta For Now.
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Triple Zero on June 30, 2012, 05:29:44 PM
Thanks. I still don't feel comfortable admitting I'm living off welfare, disability, even. Hell I even got a look of disapproval from one of the kids at the Young Researchers Centre when he asked so if this is volunteer work, what do you do for a living? You're exactly right, too. Don't you think I'd not rather be pursuing a well-paid career in IT? Or doing a less well-paid but more challenging PHD track? Or whatever other things I might have come up with? Of course I didn't say that to the kid because I didn't think it was right to say, "do you think I WANT to be here? It's the only thing I can manage to do, right now", because I didn't want to imply I was teaching him about computers with great reluctance and that I actually want to do something else, because that's also not quite true since the work is pretty wonderful even if it's not much of a career. I really do wish it were different though, who knows I might have ended up teaching kids after all, but in a different place and also make a living off it.
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Juana on June 30, 2012, 08:12:48 PM
They really don't get it. With folk my age, that's inexperience - these kids assume they're "pre-rich" as Nigel (I think?) called them.
With older adults? I think it's willful.
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: E.O.T. on June 30, 2012, 08:35:47 PM


THE

          Obama part is confusing, I like the rest though, your free ride approach is fantastic
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Cuddlefish on June 30, 2012, 09:52:36 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on June 30, 2012, 08:35:47 PM


THE

          Obama part is confusing, I like the rest though, your free ride approach is fantastic

The Obama thing: How can I explain this... Person "A" is a closet racist. He dislikes Obama based on race. Racism is, at least publicly, frowned on. To save face, person "A" needs to have a reason to publicly dislike Obama, other than his race. Person "A" latches onto birther propaganda and/or starts throwing around the words "communist" and "socialist," etc. to portray his dislike as political and/or intellectual in nature, as opposed to the reality that person "A" is a racist.

If person "A" was not a racist and was truly making a judgement on reason or fact, a little research would show him that there are stronger arguments against Obama than the straw-men they're using, and they would use those stronger arguments in place of ad hominem, ad nauseum.

Then again, person "A" could just be an idiot, but the overlap between racists and idiots is probably pretty large.

Am I making sense? I can hardly tell anymore. That's why I usually try not to speak so much these days...
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: E.O.T. on June 30, 2012, 10:15:59 PM


YES CUDDELYFISH

          you're making perfect sense. what i meant in regards t o the Obama fragment, was you suggest reasons for hating Obama, so I'm assuming this portion is directed at a specific individual who you know to be a jerk of some kind.

AND

          by all means talk more, so you can avoid needing rantish outbreaks. as much as the rest of us like to see it happen  :lulz:
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Cuddlefish on June 30, 2012, 10:27:36 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on June 30, 2012, 10:15:59 PM


YES CUDDELYFISH

          you're making perfect sense. what i meant in regards t o the Obama fragment, was you suggest reasons for hating Obama, so I'm assuming this portion is directed at a specific individual who you know to be a jerk of some kind.

Oh... Yeah... That.

All the topics in the OP are things I'm sick to death of hearing/seeing on fakebook. It's become overwhelming. Sometimes I wonder how I know so many of these kinds of people.
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 30, 2012, 11:33:33 PM
Bravo!

Also, I think I lifted "pre-rich" from Roger.

Some moron in my Sociology class very sincerely believed that he was going to go to college, get a business degree, and become wealthy.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 30, 2012, 11:41:21 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on June 30, 2012, 08:12:48 PM
They really don't get it. With folk my age, that's inexperience - these kids assume they're "pre-rich" as Nigel (I think?) called them.
With older adults? I think it's willful.

Of course it is. You see what they do when you debate something they've said "LALALALALA NOT LISTENING!"

I think it's because they're scared to look. They can't live with the Horrible Truth(TM) so they just keep yelling to shut it out.

Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 30, 2012, 11:45:43 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 30, 2012, 11:33:33 PM
Bravo!

Also, I think I lifted "pre-rich" from Roger.

Some moron in my Sociology class very sincerely believed that he was going to go to college, get a business degree, and become wealthy.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah, and I've heard alkies talk about how they're gonna rehab and go back to school and buy a big house on the beach.  :lol:
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 01, 2012, 12:29:16 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on June 30, 2012, 11:45:43 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 30, 2012, 11:33:33 PM
Bravo!

Also, I think I lifted "pre-rich" from Roger.

Some moron in my Sociology class very sincerely believed that he was going to go to college, get a business degree, and become wealthy.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah, and I've heard alkies talk about how they're gonna rehab and go back to school and buy a big house on the beach.  :lol:

Woohoo! This means I'm not an alkie! I have no desire to get a big house on the beach. I hate beaches!
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 01, 2012, 12:35:07 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on June 30, 2012, 11:41:21 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on June 30, 2012, 08:12:48 PM
They really don't get it. With folk my age, that's inexperience - these kids assume they're "pre-rich" as Nigel (I think?) called them.
With older adults? I think it's willful.

Of course it is. You see what they do when you debate something they've said "LALALALALA NOT LISTENING!"

I think it's because they're scared to look. They can't live with the Horrible Truth(TM) so they just keep yelling to shut it out.

Oh yeah. They have no interest in listening to facts. None whatsoever.

Hell, I've done the same thing saying, I'm not a huge fan of Obama and here's why. It's a real, and legitimate reason to dislike the man.

"Yeah yeah! And he's also a Kenyan socialist!"

No dude, he's not. Yes he is, his policies are all socialist. No dude. They're not. I used to be a flat out Communist. I think I know what a Socialist is. Obama is not one of them. Yes, he is. Also, you're a Communist.

Obamacare
Obamatax
Obummer
Obongo <---yeah that's not fucking racist at all
0bozo

It goes on and on. Oh hey, you're a fucking racist.

No I'm not, you're the racist for playing the race card.

I'm white.

Then you've got white guilt.

Fucking hell, there's just so much stupid in these people it's maddening. You want to choke them for being so fucking stupid and dishonest with themselves.
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 01, 2012, 03:48:16 AM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 01, 2012, 12:35:07 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on June 30, 2012, 11:41:21 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on June 30, 2012, 08:12:48 PM
They really don't get it. With folk my age, that's inexperience - these kids assume they're "pre-rich" as Nigel (I think?) called them.
With older adults? I think it's willful.

Of course it is. You see what they do when you debate something they've said "LALALALALA NOT LISTENING!"

I think it's because they're scared to look. They can't live with the Horrible Truth(TM) so they just keep yelling to shut it out.

Oh yeah. They have no interest in listening to facts. None whatsoever.

Hell, I've done the same thing saying, I'm not a huge fan of Obama and here's why. It's a real, and legitimate reason to dislike the man.

"Yeah yeah! And he's also a Kenyan socialist!"

No dude, he's not. Yes he is, his policies are all socialist. No dude. They're not. I used to be a flat out Communist. I think I know what a Socialist is. Obama is not one of them. Yes, he is. Also, you're a Communist.

Obamacare
Obamatax
Obummer
Obongo <---yeah that's not fucking racist at all
0bozo

It goes on and on. Oh hey, you're a fucking racist.

No I'm not, you're the racist for playing the race card.

I'm white.

Then you've got white guilt.

Fucking hell, there's just so much stupid in these people it's maddening. You want to choke them for being so fucking stupid and dishonest with themselves.

One of my friends posted this today. Perfectly nonpartisan, commonsense observation:

(http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/fennario99/derp1.jpg)

You can actually see the whole shutdown process in just two comments by this Michelle character:

(http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/fennario99/derp2.jpg)
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 01, 2012, 08:00:35 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on July 01, 2012, 03:48:16 AM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 01, 2012, 12:35:07 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on June 30, 2012, 11:41:21 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on June 30, 2012, 08:12:48 PM
They really don't get it. With folk my age, that's inexperience - these kids assume they're "pre-rich" as Nigel (I think?) called them.
With older adults? I think it's willful.

Of course it is. You see what they do when you debate something they've said "LALALALALA NOT LISTENING!"

I think it's because they're scared to look. They can't live with the Horrible Truth(TM) so they just keep yelling to shut it out.

Oh yeah. They have no interest in listening to facts. None whatsoever.

Hell, I've done the same thing saying, I'm not a huge fan of Obama and here's why. It's a real, and legitimate reason to dislike the man.

"Yeah yeah! And he's also a Kenyan socialist!"

No dude, he's not. Yes he is, his policies are all socialist. No dude. They're not. I used to be a flat out Communist. I think I know what a Socialist is. Obama is not one of them. Yes, he is. Also, you're a Communist.

Obamacare
Obamatax
Obummer
Obongo <---yeah that's not fucking racist at all
0bozo

It goes on and on. Oh hey, you're a fucking racist.

No I'm not, you're the racist for playing the race card.

I'm white.

Then you've got white guilt.

Fucking hell, there's just so much stupid in these people it's maddening. You want to choke them for being so fucking stupid and dishonest with themselves.

One of my friends posted this today. Perfectly nonpartisan, commonsense observation:

(http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/fennario99/derp1.jpg)

You can actually see the whole shutdown process in just two comments by this Michelle character:

(http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/fennario99/derp2.jpg)

Wow, yeah; and most people just give up in despair at that point of dealing with a propagandist like that, because arguing with them is hopeless. I propose that we start responding to things like that with "I cannot argue with a propagandist" and see where it goes from there.
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 01, 2012, 08:07:12 AM
That's actually a pretty good idea. Maybe followed by something like "does anyone else want to try and have an actual discussion here?"
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 01, 2012, 08:16:40 AM
Also, another thing that drives me nuts is any suggestion that America is great. Once you accept this you start to except those.

Torturing people is wrong. Except when it's US.
China's human rights record is disgusting. They should have a better track record than US. We don't have to do better though. C'mon guy, this is US we're talking about!
Europe's a mess because of Universal Health Care. We were successful (at what?) because we did not have Universal Health Care.
The Constitution only applies to American citizens. (I read this one today)
Terrorists don't deserve due process.

And so on.

America's not that great at that point is it? Oh, but that's all necessary. Yes, yes. They've done a very good job of convincing you that you need to give away some of your rights for security but Healthcare Reform is beyond the pale and deserves a violent uprising as a response.

Oh, and the whole King Obama bullshit too.  :argh!:

I think also, if the person being called out as a propagandist says that they are not, a good response is "you're either a propagandist or a zombie who believes propaganda. So are you the one thinking it up, or the one falling for it?"
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on July 01, 2012, 06:24:05 PM
What really pisses me off is that we're getting Dystopia before we get flying cars and continent-spanning cities that blot out the sun from the lower 50 or so levels. I feel cheated. Why do we get all the shitty parts of Sci-Fi and none of the awesome parts?
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 01, 2012, 06:26:49 PM
Quote from: v3x on July 01, 2012, 06:24:05 PM
What really pisses me off is that we're getting Dystopia before we get flying cars and continent-spanning cities that blot out the sun from the lower 50 or so levels. I feel cheated. Why do we get all the shitty parts of Sci-Fi and none of the awesome parts?

The awesome parts are coming, after we build our robot masters to protect us.
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: The Johnny on July 01, 2012, 07:37:34 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 01, 2012, 08:00:35 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on July 01, 2012, 03:48:16 AM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 01, 2012, 12:35:07 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on June 30, 2012, 11:41:21 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on June 30, 2012, 08:12:48 PM
They really don't get it. With folk my age, that's inexperience - these kids assume they're "pre-rich" as Nigel (I think?) called them.
With older adults? I think it's willful.

Of course it is. You see what they do when you debate something they've said "LALALALALA NOT LISTENING!"

I think it's because they're scared to look. They can't live with the Horrible Truth(TM) so they just keep yelling to shut it out.

Oh yeah. They have no interest in listening to facts. None whatsoever.

Hell, I've done the same thing saying, I'm not a huge fan of Obama and here's why. It's a real, and legitimate reason to dislike the man.

"Yeah yeah! And he's also a Kenyan socialist!"

No dude, he's not. Yes he is, his policies are all socialist. No dude. They're not. I used to be a flat out Communist. I think I know what a Socialist is. Obama is not one of them. Yes, he is. Also, you're a Communist.

Obamacare
Obamatax
Obummer
Obongo <---yeah that's not fucking racist at all
0bozo

It goes on and on. Oh hey, you're a fucking racist.

No I'm not, you're the racist for playing the race card.

I'm white.

Then you've got white guilt.

Fucking hell, there's just so much stupid in these people it's maddening. You want to choke them for being so fucking stupid and dishonest with themselves.

One of my friends posted this today. Perfectly nonpartisan, commonsense observation:

(http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/fennario99/derp1.jpg)

You can actually see the whole shutdown process in just two comments by this Michelle character:

(http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/fennario99/derp2.jpg)

Wow, yeah; and most people just give up in despair at that point of dealing with a propagandist like that, because arguing with them is hopeless. I propose that we start responding to things like that with "I cannot argue with a propagandist" and see where it goes from there.

I think its a practice called "framing the debate", stating a supposedly "unquestionable truth" and argue from there on.

Its basicly saying "you are an anarchist/socialist, your argument is invalid" because "anarchists have never been to power, what has brought us prosperity is this partisan system" with a slight twist of "you are unamerican for saying this".
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 01, 2012, 09:36:52 PM
"Greatest nation in the world" = "unquestionable truth" =  :lulz: :horrormirth: :lulz:

Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 01, 2012, 08:00:35 AM
[Wow, yeah; and most people just give up in despair at that point of dealing with a propagandist like that, because arguing with them is hopeless. I propose that we start responding to things like that with "I cannot argue with a propagandist" and see where it goes from there.

Now THAT sounds fun.  :lol:
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: E.O.T. on July 01, 2012, 10:58:44 PM


TWID,

          you're just a rabble-rousing commie!
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 01, 2012, 11:02:00 PM
Maybe i am. What did i do?
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 02, 2012, 01:49:03 PM
I DO pay taxes.  And I'd fucking well rather see them go to roads and bridges and to make sure nobody goes hungry.  Instead, my taxes go to Goldmann Sachs and Raytheon.

:crankey:
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 02, 2012, 03:02:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 02, 2012, 01:49:03 PM
I DO pay taxes.  And I'd fucking well rather see them go to roads and bridges and to make sure nobody goes hungry.  Instead, my taxes go to Goldmann Sachs and Raytheon.

:crankey:

This.
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: East Coast Hustle on July 02, 2012, 03:11:16 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 02, 2012, 01:49:03 PM
I DO pay taxes.  And I'd fucking well rather see them go to roads and bridges and to make sure nobody goes hungry.  Instead, my taxes go to Goldmann Sachs and Raytheon.

:crankey:

This used to REALLY piss me off until I got a job where, ultimately, my bills are being paid by Raytheon, CNC, etc.

Funny thing is, I sleep just fine at night.

Well, I sleep, at least.

Well, at least I can pay for the habits that balance out my insomnia and keep me on an even keel.
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: LMNO on July 02, 2012, 04:08:41 PM
There's a new show on HBO called "The Newsroom".  On the first episode, maybe three minutes in, you get this:

"We lead the world in only three categories: number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of adults who believe angels are real, and defense spending, where we spend more than the next twenty-six countries combined, 25 of whom are allies.

"None of this is the fault of a 20-year-old college student, but you, nonetheless, are without a doubt, a member of the WORST-period-GENERATION-period-EVER-period, so when you ask what makes us the greatest country in the world, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about?! Yosemite?!!!

"We sure used to be.  We stood up for what was right! We fought for moral reasons, we passed and struck down laws for moral reasons. We waged wars on poverty, not poor people. We sacrificed, we cared about our neighbors, we put our money where our mouths were, and we never beat our chest.

"We built great big things, made ungodly technological advances, explored the universe, cured diseases, and cultivated the world's greatest artists and the world's greatest economy. We reached for the stars, and we acted like men. We aspired to intelligence; we didn't belittle it; it didn't make us feel inferior. We didn't identify ourselves by who we voted for in the last election, and we didn't scare so easy. And we were able to be all these things and do all these things because we were informed. By great men, men who were revered.

"The first step in solving any problem is recognizing there is one — America is not the greatest country in the world anymore."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEyUWKJFER8

Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Cain on July 02, 2012, 04:24:45 PM
Unfortunately, that's mostly bullshit.

What made America great was European stupidity, and not getting embroiled in it until the Krauts started pissing around in Mexico and threatening investments.  How did America overtake London as the world's leading creditor nation?  Well, it let London be the paymaster for France, Russia and its own forces in the field for three years, let the European economy be devastated by the demands of Total War, then moved into the gap.  Who won WWI?  Those who fought in it the least.

And America's "moral reasonings" included naive, moralistic, self-righteous lecturing on the "evils" of traditional diplomacy, which had mostly stopped the world imploding into war, up until Bismarck started getting too clever for his own good and coming up with strange theories of interlocking alliances.  Oh, and a good bit of racism and Social Darwinism.  That was a very strong component of American thinking, as well.  Not that this was much different to everyone else's views on global affairs, which was mostly along the lines of a "view of world order which stressed struggle, change, competition, the use of force and the organisation of national resources to enhance state power."

American Exceptionalism is bullshit, whether it's of the Neocon "rah-rah-rah" type, or the liberal "America is/was a force for Good In The World".  Tell it to the millions who perished on the Western Front while New York bankers grew bloated and corpulent on the spoils of war.  That's what made America "great".
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: LMNO on July 02, 2012, 05:30:45 PM
Well, when you put it that way...

You're right, of course.  Was America ever the "greatest"?  What does that even mean, when speaking about a country?  Greatest at what?  Greatest as what? 

But I kind of feel that Aaron Sorkin didn't want to get into that/believes they Greatest Generation hype.  So it goes.
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Cain on July 02, 2012, 05:38:10 PM
Sorkin's kind of a dick, anyway (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/television/how-to-get-under-aaron-sorkins-skin-and-also-how-to-high-five-properly/article4363455/).  In his world, if we all listened to the Wise Liberal Technocrats, everything would be good, totally ignoring that a) liberal technocrats helped get us into this mess and b) make fundamentalist, conservative backlashes inevitable with their failures.

Yes, I watched the West Wing too, but, come on, it wasn't that good.
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 02, 2012, 05:59:04 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 02, 2012, 04:24:45 PM
Unfortunately, that's mostly bullshit.

What made America great was European stupidity, and not getting embroiled in it until the Krauts started pissing around in Mexico and threatening investments.  How did America overtake London as the world's leading creditor nation?  Well, it let London be the paymaster for France, Russia and its own forces in the field for three years, let the European economy be devastated by the demands of Total War, then moved into the gap.  Who won WWI?  Those who fought in it the least.

And America's "moral reasonings" included naive, moralistic, self-righteous lecturing on the "evils" of traditional diplomacy, which had mostly stopped the world imploding into war, up until Bismarck started getting too clever for his own good and coming up with strange theories of interlocking alliances.  Oh, and a good bit of racism and Social Darwinism.  That was a very strong component of American thinking, as well.  Not that this was much different to everyone else's views on global affairs, which was mostly along the lines of a "view of world order which stressed struggle, change, competition, the use of force and the organisation of national resources to enhance state power."

American Exceptionalism is bullshit, whether it's of the Neocon "rah-rah-rah" type, or the liberal "America is/was a force for Good In The World".  Tell it to the millions who perished on the Western Front while New York bankers grew bloated and corpulent on the spoils of war.  That's what made America "great".

America had one thing going for it, Cain.  For the most part, from the time of the founding until the time of Ronald Reagan, things were continually improving.  The decline BEGAN with Nixon, but wasn't really felt until 1980.

Were we perfect, or even moral?  No.

Were we trying?  Yes.

Emphasis on the "were".
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Mistre on July 03, 2012, 11:13:10 PM
(sorry for intruding in this topic)

I personally feel puzzled when they say the old times were moral and whatnot when the USA supported a dictatorship in my country and downright made one at Chile '-'
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: The Johnny on July 04, 2012, 02:25:24 AM

Well, kicking around brownies and stealing their land doesnt count as immoral either, apparently.

See history with natives and Mexico.
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 04, 2012, 02:27:27 AM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on July 04, 2012, 02:25:24 AM

Well, kicking around brownies and stealing their land doesnt count as immoral either, apparently.

See history with natives and Mexico.

THE GOOD OLE DAYS

WHEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN WERE PROPERTY, AND BROWN PEOPLE WERE ANIMALS, JUST LIKE IT SHOULD BE.
Title: Re: Just. Shut. Up.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 04, 2012, 03:51:55 PM
I'm actually surprised we didn't carve up Mexico more. During the 19th Century our policy was to send in the white people, in droves (it's ok when Anglo-Saxons migrate. No one else though. This is still the 19th Century) and have them destabilize the local government and/or have a revolution. Set up an independent republic. Have republic take a vote on whether to become a part of the United States.

Since a majority of the citizens are now Anglo-Saxons from the United States, the vote's going to end up being yes. Texas and Hawaii are notable for this.