Oh, frabjous day!
Holy Strife has come to play.
Blood-stained goddess and hidden dagger,
One fucked-up forum's peals of disgusted laughter
Welcome back to 2000, Pee Dee Dot Com. It's like we never left, but it's bigger, meaner, and uglier than ever.
The Fucktrain
2 Towers to 1 Trump
In just 15 short years.
And the worst of fears
Is always that which you
Never really do see coming.
But you did, didn't you?
You WANTED IT! Get it?
You BEGGED for the LORD,
ANY fucking lord would do,
Any that promised you that
Great and Terrible power trip.
2016 is just the tip
Of the FUCKTRAIN YOU WANTED!!
THE ONE YOU PLEADED FOR,
CRIED TO YOUR GOD FOR,
AND MADE HAPPEN "FOR HIM"!!!
Sadly you never knew that
He never wanted for YOU
The things you cried over
And over and over for.
But here it all comes!
Everything you ever asked for!!
YOU VOTED THE FUCKTRAIN IN!!
God this reaction to Trump has really ingrained my hatred of liberals. Remember when Obama got elected and the anti-war people just disappeared? Why was the destruction of the 4th Amendment the end of Democracy under Bush but under Obama it was just meh? All you assholes care about is that Democrats are in office. And then when they get in office and do THE SAME FUCKING SHIT youre all obsessed with gender pronouns or some stupid bullshit.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 09, 2016, 11:55:27 AM
Oh, frabjous day!
Holy Strife has come to play.
Blood-stained goddess and hidden dagger,
One fucked-up forum's peals of disgusted laughter
Welcome back to 2000, Pee Dee Dot Com. It's like we never left, but it's bigger, meaner, and uglier than ever.
Hear hear! I'm excited for the :horrormirth: to come.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 09, 2016, 03:35:31 PM
God this reaction to Trump has really ingrained my hatred of liberals. Remember when Obama got elected and the anti-war people just disappeared? Why was the destruction of the 4th Amendment the end of Democracy under Bush but under Obama it was just meh? All you assholes care about is that Democrats are in office. And then when they get in office and do THE SAME FUCKING SHIT youre all obsessed with gender pronouns or some stupid bullshit.
Obama wasn't as much "fun." Really that's all there is to it.
Also you certainly are drawing some wild assumptions about me, unless you're just yelling into the void for some reason.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 09, 2016, 05:24:17 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 09, 2016, 03:35:31 PM
God this reaction to Trump has really ingrained my hatred of liberals. Remember when Obama got elected and the anti-war people just disappeared? Why was the destruction of the 4th Amendment the end of Democracy under Bush but under Obama it was just meh? All you assholes care about is that Democrats are in office. And then when they get in office and do THE SAME FUCKING SHIT youre all obsessed with gender pronouns or some stupid bullshit.
Obama wasn't as much "fun." Really that's all there is to it.
Also you certainly are drawing some wild assumptions about me, unless you're just yelling into the void for some reason.
Exactly this in fact. Homey be down with Kek, but pretends to reason, he doesn't actually
possess it as far as anyone can tell.
I absolutely just didn't expect this. I can admit when I am wrong and I just had this whole thing upside down. I feel like an ass for getting my hopes up so high. I blame living in a blue state that takes care of its citizens when it comes to food and health care. Guess that'll probably grind to a halt.
I saw in the other thread mention of how bad Trump may or may not be, I am not so worried about him. For my own sanity's sake I am hoping that what checks&balances there are will prevent him from getting to anything like the position of Supreme Emperor or Dictator or whatever. That seems like a good bet.
But what about abortion rights/Planned Parenthood?
What about the medical care that allows me to have brutal, painful, invasive but necessary cornea procedures?
What about a billion tiny little things that the House and the Senate can accomplish?
The GOP has the whole god damned fish. They're gonna do whatever they damn well want to with no opposition. That's really not super great, a little terrifying.
ON THE OTHER HAND:
This is exactly what America needs. It perfectly illustrates exactly what the US wants and does and is. I am not under the misapprehension that this problem is like a boil. WE ARE THE BOIL. We being people who give a fuck about women and children and old people and a leftist kind of way. THEY are the meat.
Regardless, to hell with these people saying they're bailing.
There's WORK to do.
What a fucking aftermath it's been.
This should shake some shit up at least.
Too bad about the environment though.
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 09, 2016, 05:49:37 PM
But what about abortion rights
Not important except when it's medically necessary.
I'm more worried about how racist he is and the fact that everything he's run in the past has gone bankrupt
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 09, 2016, 06:38:49 PM
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 09, 2016, 05:49:37 PM
But what about abortion rights
Not important except when it's medically necessary.
I'm more worried about how racist he is and the fact that everything he's run in the past has gone bankrupt
Oh, about the bolded? FUCK YOU.
Unless that was a sarcastic quip.
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 09, 2016, 06:38:49 PM
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 09, 2016, 05:49:37 PM
But what about abortion rights
Not important except when it's medically necessary.
I'm more worried about how racist he is and the fact that everything he's run in the past has gone bankrupt
:stfu2:
Jesus fuck thank you Alty and LMNO.
Time to get to work.
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 09, 2016, 06:38:49 PM
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 09, 2016, 05:49:37 PM
But what about abortion rights
Not important except when it's medically necessary.
I'm more worried about how racist he is and the fact that everything he's run in the past has gone bankrupt
If only you could just post here when it was medically necessary.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 09, 2016, 11:55:27 AM
Oh, frabjous day!
Holy Strife has come to play.
Blood-stained goddess and hidden dagger,
One fucked-up forum's peals of disgusted laughter
Welcome back to 2000, Pee Dee Dot Com. It's like we never left, but it's bigger, meaner, and uglier than ever.
Oh, frabjous day!
Holy Strife has come to play.
Blood-stained goddess and hidden dagger,
One fucked-up board's peals of disgusted laughter
Giggling, swarming, whores of Babylon
Who for so long have sought to reach Avalon
Yet that sword has been torn from rock asunder
By screaming, waxing, gods of order
An order yet unfit for job
of holy hodge and holy podge
So now that we, unnarmed and scared
Have seen a vision that was quite fair
we fight for it, tooth and claw
down with every unjust law
Hail Eris!
Hail Discordia!
kill me.
You don't get the choice this time.
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here. We have two self-avowed fascists running around.
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 09, 2016, 05:50:37 PM
Regardless, to hell with these people saying they're bailing.
There's WORK to do.
Out of curiosity, where's the line? At some point the only sane option is to recognize things are Fucked beyond control or repair.
2020 just became a guaranteed shitshow and I doubt 2024 will be any saner. 4-6/10 dems/republicans apparently believe the other side will literally destroy the country (depending on which poll you believe) and the current system now has an overwhelming interest to make it even more solidly divided.
The more I think about it the real winner is the 2 party system and the possibility easily exists to make this a 1 party system with some boundary changes and legislation that would fly through if presented.
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 09, 2016, 05:50:37 PM
Regardless, to hell with these people saying they're bailing.
There's WORK to do.
This shit, right here.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 07:27:06 PM
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here. We have two self-avowed fascists running around.
Where then?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 07:27:06 PM
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here. We have two self-avowed fascists running around.
Do you even know what fascism is?
Quote from: Xaz on November 09, 2016, 08:19:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 07:27:06 PM
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here. We have two self-avowed fascists running around.
Where then?
Ron Paul and Brother Nihil.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 09, 2016, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 07:27:06 PM
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here. We have two self-avowed fascists running around.
Do you even know what fascism is?
I've looked it up and the parts that aren't arrant doubletalk generally have to do with authoritarianism and strong leadership, and an emphasis on martial and macho culture with all the braindead stupidity that comes with theose things turned up to 11,
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 11:16:07 PM
Quote from: Xaz on November 09, 2016, 08:19:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 07:27:06 PM
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here. We have two self-avowed fascists running around.
Where then?
Ron Paul and Brother Nihil.
I meant where will your ideas be posted/executed.
In retrospect, this thread might not actually belong in Aneristic Illusions. We'll have plenty of time to discuss politics proper, but my post was about what this horrible religion of ours stands for.
Our terrible goddess is, unfortunately for all of us, inevitable and relentless. And She's just pulled up the curtain on Her next show.
Quote from: NeonWytch on November 09, 2016, 07:03:53 PM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 09, 2016, 11:55:27 AM
Oh, frabjous day!
Holy Strife has come to play.
Blood-stained goddess and hidden dagger,
One fucked-up forum's peals of disgusted laughter
Welcome back to 2000, Pee Dee Dot Com. It's like we never left, but it's bigger, meaner, and uglier than ever.
Oh, frabjous day!
Holy Strife has come to play.
Blood-stained goddess and hidden dagger,
One fucked-up board's peals of disgusted laughter
Giggling, swarming, whores of Babylon
Who for so long have sought to reach Avalon
Yet that sword has been torn from rock asunder
By screaming, waxing, gods of order
An order yet unfit for job
of holy hodge and holy podge
So now that we, unnarmed and scared
Have seen a vision that was quite fair
we fight for it, tooth and claw
down with every unjust law
Hail Eris!
Hail Discordia!
kill me.
You don't get the choice this time.
:mittens:
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 09, 2016, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 09, 2016, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 07:27:06 PM
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here. We have two self-avowed fascists running around.
Do you even know what fascism is?
I've looked it up and the parts that aren't arrant doubletalk generally have to do with authoritarianism and strong leadership, and an emphasis on martial and macho culture with all the braindead stupidity that comes with theose things turned up to 11,
Youre almost right. Look, Fascism started in Italy as a socialist movement. At this time, communists/socialists were genuinely trying to bring about a worldwide revolution, which meant if you wanted to be a commie you had to get cozy with Mother Russia the vanguard of the revolution. Eventually the fascists bucked this trend and told Russia to fuck off. So the Russians started using "fascism" as a snarl word for any socialists that wouldnt play ball with them. This included the Nazis, who being NATIONAL Socialists werent too fond of the whole worldwide revolution thing to begin with. America adopted this trend of using Fascism to describe its enemies in WW2, without really caring what it meant.
Then after the war a book called "The Crisis of the Liberal System and the Fascist Movements" by Ernst Nolte was published. He argued that the various totalitarian movements that happened in Europe between WW1 and WW2 were similar enough to all fall in the same category.
Basically, Fascism is what happens when Democracy goes terminal. What happened in all these places was, Democracy had devolved into various oligarchies trying to manipulate the masses for their own interests. While the actual stated goal of Democracy, giving people power over their government, had been abandoned. It seemed like no matter who they elected the people never actually got what they want, because the people they were electing had no interest in what the people wanted and were just power hungry self centered assholes. Does this sound familiar to you?
Then Fascism comes along and does something very simple, it offers people exactly what they want. It bucks the entire system that came before it, left/right communist/capitalist and focuses on fulfilling the will of the people. In a strange way it could be seen almost as a kind of democratic fundamentalism. The Will of the People above all things.
The goal is the complete transformation of a diseased society(totalitarianism), via an extrajudicial uniformed party militia lead by a charismatic leader, who, unlike the average despot, has his finger on the will of the people and executes it. The fact that Trump has so much opposition and hate by definition excludes him from fascism(he also doesnt fit any of the other qualifications while were at it). Fascism when it comes, is almost universally loved and supported by the people. All the European fascists, while having enemies in the diehards of the old establishment, enjoyed popular support of the average person in the street.
Thats why I say when fascism happens in America it probably wont be racist, because that isnt what the people want. When Sinclair Lewis said "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." He wasnt making some smarmy Jon Stewart jab at country hicks clinging to guns and bibles. He was speaking to an audience that still revered both of those things, strongly. Fascism isnt Trump, fascism is what comes after Trump. Fascism will present itself as SAVING you from Trump. And you will welcome it. Because it will be wrapped in the things you revere most.
Quote from: Xaz on November 09, 2016, 11:19:35 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 11:16:07 PM
Quote from: Xaz on November 09, 2016, 08:19:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 07:27:06 PM
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here. We have two self-avowed fascists running around.
Where then?
Ron Paul and Brother Nihil.
I meant where will your ideas be posted/executed.
Not sure just yet. I've been thinking about another stand-alone BBS. I need to talk to people who know about these things.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 10, 2016, 12:06:36 AM
Quote from: Xaz on November 09, 2016, 11:19:35 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 11:16:07 PM
Quote from: Xaz on November 09, 2016, 08:19:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 07:27:06 PM
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here. We have two self-avowed fascists running around.
Where then?
Ron Paul and Brother Nihil.
I meant where will your ideas be posted/executed.
Not sure just yet. I've been thinking about another stand-alone BBS. I need to talk to people who know about these things.
You let me know sir. I've been in desperate need of a candid conversation for longer than i care to admit and indeed much needs doing, as Alty has said. PD will ensure as what it is and more, but there's REAL work to do ashore. We need a second vessel.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 10, 2016, 02:14:27 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 10, 2016, 12:06:36 AM
Quote from: Xaz on November 09, 2016, 11:19:35 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 11:16:07 PM
Quote from: Xaz on November 09, 2016, 08:19:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 07:27:06 PM
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here. We have two self-avowed fascists running around.
Where then?
Ron Paul and Brother Nihil.
I meant where will your ideas be posted/executed.
Not sure just yet. I've been thinking about another stand-alone BBS. I need to talk to people who know about these things.
You let me know sir. I've been in desperate need of a candid conversation for longer than i care to admit and indeed much needs doing, as Alty has said. PD will ensure as what it is and more, but there's REAL work to do ashore. We need a second vessel.
I'd prefer to use PD. I'm comfortable with the interface, etc.
But it's got some turds floating in it.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 09, 2016, 11:55:10 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 09, 2016, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 09, 2016, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 07:27:06 PM
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here. We have two self-avowed fascists running around.
Do you even know what fascism is?
I've looked it up and the parts that aren't arrant doubletalk generally have to do with authoritarianism and strong leadership, and an emphasis on martial and macho culture with all the braindead stupidity that comes with theose things turned up to 11,
Youre almost right. Look, Fascism started in Italy as a socialist movement. At this time, communists/socialists were genuinely trying to bring about a worldwide revolution, which meant if you wanted to be a commie you had to get cozy with Mother Russia the vanguard of the revolution. Eventually the fascists bucked this trend and told Russia to fuck off. So the Russians started using "fascism" as a snarl word for any socialists that wouldnt play ball with them. This included the Nazis, who being NATIONAL Socialists werent too fond of the whole worldwide revolution thing to begin with. America adopted this trend of using Fascism to describe its enemies in WW2, without really caring what it meant.
Then after the war a book called "The Crisis of the Liberal System and the Fascist Movements" by Ernst Nolte was published. He argued that the various totalitarian movements that happened in Europe between WW1 and WW2 were similar enough to all fall in the same category.
Basically, Fascism is what happens when Democracy goes terminal. What happened in all these places was, Democracy had devolved into various oligarchies trying to manipulate the masses for their own interests. While the actual stated goal of Democracy, giving people power over their government, had been abandoned. It seemed like no matter who they elected the people never actually got what they want, because the people they were electing had no interest in what the people wanted and were just power hungry self centered assholes. Does this sound familiar to you?
Then Fascism comes along and does something very simple, it offers people exactly what they want. It bucks the entire system that came before it, left/right communist/capitalist and focuses on fulfilling the will of the people. In a strange way it could be seen almost as a kind of democratic fundamentalism. The Will of the People above all things.
The goal is the complete transformation of a diseased society(totalitarianism), via an extrajudicial uniformed party militia lead by a charismatic leader, who, unlike the average despot, has his finger on the will of the people and executes it. The fact that Trump has so much opposition and hate by definition excludes him from fascism(he also doesnt fit any of the other qualifications while were at it). Fascism when it comes, is almost universally loved and supported by the people. All the European fascists, while having enemies in the diehards of the old establishment, enjoyed popular support of the average person in the street.
Thats why I say when fascism happens in America it probably wont be racist, because that isnt what the people want. When Sinclair Lewis said "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." He wasnt making some smarmy Jon Stewart jab at country hicks clinging to guns and bibles. He was speaking to an audience that still revered both of those things, strongly. Fascism isnt Trump, fascism is what comes after Trump. Fascism will present itself as SAVING you from Trump. And you will welcome it. Because it will be wrapped in the things you revere most.
So you're saying it's The Aftermath. That fits surprisingly well; like even the malaclypse "doom"/"dumb" thing fits
Cmon, whatever our political differences do you really think I would fuck with trolling plans? Trolling is a sacrament.
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 10, 2016, 03:55:09 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 09, 2016, 11:55:10 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 09, 2016, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 09, 2016, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 07:27:06 PM
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here. We have two self-avowed fascists running around.
Do you even know what fascism is?
I've looked it up and the parts that aren't arrant doubletalk generally have to do with authoritarianism and strong leadership, and an emphasis on martial and macho culture with all the braindead stupidity that comes with theose things turned up to 11,
Youre almost right. Look, Fascism started in Italy as a socialist movement. At this time, communists/socialists were genuinely trying to bring about a worldwide revolution, which meant if you wanted to be a commie you had to get cozy with Mother Russia the vanguard of the revolution. Eventually the fascists bucked this trend and told Russia to fuck off. So the Russians started using "fascism" as a snarl word for any socialists that wouldnt play ball with them. This included the Nazis, who being NATIONAL Socialists werent too fond of the whole worldwide revolution thing to begin with. America adopted this trend of using Fascism to describe its enemies in WW2, without really caring what it meant.
Then after the war a book called "The Crisis of the Liberal System and the Fascist Movements" by Ernst Nolte was published. He argued that the various totalitarian movements that happened in Europe between WW1 and WW2 were similar enough to all fall in the same category.
Basically, Fascism is what happens when Democracy goes terminal. What happened in all these places was, Democracy had devolved into various oligarchies trying to manipulate the masses for their own interests. While the actual stated goal of Democracy, giving people power over their government, had been abandoned. It seemed like no matter who they elected the people never actually got what they want, because the people they were electing had no interest in what the people wanted and were just power hungry self centered assholes. Does this sound familiar to you?
Then Fascism comes along and does something very simple, it offers people exactly what they want. It bucks the entire system that came before it, left/right communist/capitalist and focuses on fulfilling the will of the people. In a strange way it could be seen almost as a kind of democratic fundamentalism. The Will of the People above all things.
The goal is the complete transformation of a diseased society(totalitarianism), via an extrajudicial uniformed party militia lead by a charismatic leader, who, unlike the average despot, has his finger on the will of the people and executes it. The fact that Trump has so much opposition and hate by definition excludes him from fascism(he also doesnt fit any of the other qualifications while were at it). Fascism when it comes, is almost universally loved and supported by the people. All the European fascists, while having enemies in the diehards of the old establishment, enjoyed popular support of the average person in the street.
Thats why I say when fascism happens in America it probably wont be racist, because that isnt what the people want. When Sinclair Lewis said "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." He wasnt making some smarmy Jon Stewart jab at country hicks clinging to guns and bibles. He was speaking to an audience that still revered both of those things, strongly. Fascism isnt Trump, fascism is what comes after Trump. Fascism will present itself as SAVING you from Trump. And you will welcome it. Because it will be wrapped in the things you revere most.
So you're saying it's The Aftermath. That fits surprisingly well; like even the malaclypse "doom"/"dumb" thing fits
The identification with facism is lacking though. It was facism at the end of the last cycle, but if we look back another equal period of time before that we find the buildup to the Civil War and before
that we find the american revolution.
(If anybody can pick out the 1696 and 1616 aftermath events I'd appreciate it)
Bear in mind though that even if the past events reset and renewed the system the last one also ended in nuclear war. There may not be a world to reset when this is over.
Or, conversely, I would also draw your attention to the epistle of Jesse Sump reprinted in the Bobliographicon predicting that "in the end times it shall come to pass that they are not the end times and neither shall there be any casting out of the false prophets; but the same old shit, and rumors of the same old shit, shall continue for all eternity"
Quote from: LMNO on November 09, 2016, 06:52:24 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 09, 2016, 06:38:49 PM
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 09, 2016, 05:49:37 PM
But what about abortion rights
Not important except when it's medically necessary.
I'm more worried about how racist he is and the fact that everything he's run in the past has gone bankrupt
Oh, about the bolded? FUCK YOU.
Unless that was a sarcastic quip.
I kinda doubt it was.
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 09, 2016, 07:01:26 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 09, 2016, 06:38:49 PM
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 09, 2016, 05:49:37 PM
But what about abortion rights
Not important except when it's medically necessary.
I'm more worried about how racist he is and the fact that everything he's run in the past has gone bankrupt
If only you could just post here when it was medically necessary.
:mittens:
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 10, 2016, 04:28:37 AM
Cmon, whatever our political differences do you really think I would fuck with trolling plans? Trolling is a sacrament.
:tyra:
Damn y'all hmu in the DMs (or whatever they're called on here... PMs?) when you figure out where you're going to talk plans. Can't you just make a secret board on here that the fascists don't have access to?
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Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 09, 2016, 06:38:49 PM
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 09, 2016, 05:49:37 PM
But what about abortion rights
Not important except when it's medically necessary.
I'm more worried about how racist he is and the fact that everything he's run in the past has gone bankrupt
Have you considered not being a waste of human flesh? Your organs could be put to much better use in lots of people.
Like, you've got blood, two kidneys, bone marrow to spare, and probably plenty of skin. Any of those could be medically necessary to save a human life if you're a biological match. There's no real reason to give you the right to bodily autonomy over your spare parts as long as they don't take enough to kill you.
a fetus is not part of the body. basic genetic testing will bear this out.
Oh. You're stupid. I forgot.
I'm so sorry.
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 10, 2016, 03:55:09 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 09, 2016, 11:55:10 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 09, 2016, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 09, 2016, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 07:27:06 PM
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here. We have two self-avowed fascists running around.
Do you even know what fascism is?
I've looked it up and the parts that aren't arrant doubletalk generally have to do with authoritarianism and strong leadership, and an emphasis on martial and macho culture with all the braindead stupidity that comes with theose things turned up to 11,
Youre almost right. Look, Fascism started in Italy as a socialist movement. At this time, communists/socialists were genuinely trying to bring about a worldwide revolution, which meant if you wanted to be a commie you had to get cozy with Mother Russia the vanguard of the revolution. Eventually the fascists bucked this trend and told Russia to fuck off. So the Russians started using "fascism" as a snarl word for any socialists that wouldnt play ball with them. This included the Nazis, who being NATIONAL Socialists werent too fond of the whole worldwide revolution thing to begin with. America adopted this trend of using Fascism to describe its enemies in WW2, without really caring what it meant.
Then after the war a book called "The Crisis of the Liberal System and the Fascist Movements" by Ernst Nolte was published. He argued that the various totalitarian movements that happened in Europe between WW1 and WW2 were similar enough to all fall in the same category.
Basically, Fascism is what happens when Democracy goes terminal. What happened in all these places was, Democracy had devolved into various oligarchies trying to manipulate the masses for their own interests. While the actual stated goal of Democracy, giving people power over their government, had been abandoned. It seemed like no matter who they elected the people never actually got what they want, because the people they were electing had no interest in what the people wanted and were just power hungry self centered assholes. Does this sound familiar to you?
Then Fascism comes along and does something very simple, it offers people exactly what they want. It bucks the entire system that came before it, left/right communist/capitalist and focuses on fulfilling the will of the people. In a strange way it could be seen almost as a kind of democratic fundamentalism. The Will of the People above all things.
The goal is the complete transformation of a diseased society(totalitarianism), via an extrajudicial uniformed party militia lead by a charismatic leader, who, unlike the average despot, has his finger on the will of the people and executes it. The fact that Trump has so much opposition and hate by definition excludes him from fascism(he also doesnt fit any of the other qualifications while were at it). Fascism when it comes, is almost universally loved and supported by the people. All the European fascists, while having enemies in the diehards of the old establishment, enjoyed popular support of the average person in the street.
Thats why I say when fascism happens in America it probably wont be racist, because that isnt what the people want. When Sinclair Lewis said "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." He wasnt making some smarmy Jon Stewart jab at country hicks clinging to guns and bibles. He was speaking to an audience that still revered both of those things, strongly. Fascism isnt Trump, fascism is what comes after Trump. Fascism will present itself as SAVING you from Trump. And you will welcome it. Because it will be wrapped in the things you revere most.
So you're saying it's The Aftermath. That fits surprisingly well; like even the malaclypse "doom"/"dumb" thing fits
BOY THERE SURE ARE A LOT OF LIBERALS DECLARING AMERICA TO BE A FAILED DEMOCRACY. If only there was a strong, charming, red-tape cutting no-nonsense type of leader who could take the reigns and fix it.
Incidentally, while I severely doubt both of these, if Trump is both sincere and successful in his plans to fix things he could delay the onset of fascism in America for quite awhile. All the more reason to root for him, if youre the type who describes themselves as "antifascist"
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 09, 2016, 07:27:06 PM
I have some ideas, but I certainly won't be doing anything here. We have two self-avowed fascists running around.
Do you even know what fascism is?
I've looked it up and the parts that aren't arrant doubletalk generally have to do with authoritarianism and strong leadership, and an emphasis on martial and macho culture with all the braindead stupidity that comes with theose things turned up to 11,
Youre almost right. Look, Fascism started in Italy as a socialist movement. At this time, communists/socialists were genuinely trying to bring about a worldwide revolution, which meant if you wanted to be a commie you had to get cozy with Mother Russia the vanguard of the revolution. Eventually the fascists bucked this trend and told Russia to fuck off. So the Russians started using "fascism" as a snarl word for any socialists that wouldnt play ball with them. This included the Nazis, who being NATIONAL Socialists werent too fond of the whole worldwide revolution thing to begin with. America adopted this trend of using Fascism to describe its enemies in WW2, without really caring what it meant.
Then after the war a book called "The Crisis of the Liberal System and the Fascist Movements" by Ernst Nolte was published. He argued that the various totalitarian movements that happened in Europe between WW1 and WW2 were similar enough to all fall in the same category.
Basically, Fascism is what happens when Democracy goes terminal. What happened in all these places was, Democracy had devolved into various oligarchies trying to manipulate the masses for their own interests. While the actual stated goal of Democracy, giving people power over their government, had been abandoned. It seemed like no matter who they elected the people never actually got what they want, because the people they were electing had no interest in what the people wanted and were just power hungry self centered assholes. Does this sound familiar to you?
Then Fascism comes along and does something very simple, it offers people exactly what they want. It bucks the entire system that came before it, left/right communist/capitalist and focuses on fulfilling the will of the people. In a strange way it could be seen almost as a kind of democratic fundamentalism. The Will of the People above all things.
The goal is the complete transformation of a diseased society(totalitarianism), via an extrajudicial uniformed party militia lead by a charismatic leader, who, unlike the average despot, has his finger on the will of the people and executes it. The fact that Trump has so much opposition and hate by definition excludes him from fascism(he also doesnt fit any of the other qualifications while were at it). Fascism when it comes, is almost universally loved and supported by the people. All the European fascists, while having enemies in the diehards of the old establishment, enjoyed popular support of the average person in the street.
Thats why I say when fascism happens in America it probably wont be racist, because that isnt what the people want. When Sinclair Lewis said "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." He wasnt making some smarmy Jon Stewart jab at country hicks clinging to guns and bibles. He was speaking to an audience that still revered both of those things, strongly. Fascism isnt Trump, fascism is what comes after Trump. Fascism will present itself as SAVING you from Trump. And you will welcome it. Because it will be wrapped in the things you revere most.
So you're saying it's The Aftermath. That fits surprisingly well; like even the malaclypse "doom"/"dumb" thing fits
BOY THERE SURE ARE A LOT OF LIBERALS DECLARING AMERICA TO BE A FAILED DEMOCRACY. If only there was a strong, charming, red-tape cutting no-nonsense type of leader who could take the reigns and fix it.
That's the crux of my assessment, the Aftermath follows on the heels of the era of Bureaucracy. The Bureaucracy becomes too big and becomes unviable.
I don't know how someone can fail to grasp the principle of bodily autonomy so completely. Must require a pretty thick layer of misogyny smeared over one's reality filter.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 11, 2016, 07:27:22 PM
I don't know how someone can fail to grasp the principle of bodily autonomy so completely. Must require a pretty thick layer of misogyny smeared over one's reality filter.
Well, to apply the concept of bodily autonomy to women, you first have to think of them as real people.
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Regardless, to hell with these people saying they're bailing.
There's WORK to do.
Out of curiosity, where's the line? At some point the only sane option is to recognize things are Fucked beyond control or repair.
2020 just became a guaranteed shitshow and I doubt 2024 will be any saner. 4-6/10 dems/republicans apparently believe the other side will literally destroy the country (depending on which poll you believe) and the current system now has an overwhelming interest to make it even more solidly divided.
The more I think about it the real winner is the 2 party system and the possibility easily exists to make this a 1 party system with some boundary changes and legislation that would fly through if presented.
For me, that line has already been crossed. We elected this probable psychopath. I already loathed the majority of people in this country, now proof.
I would be happy to leave right now if I had a place for the whole family to go, or if I could afford it. I would have left a long time ago, really. But where, exactly will be safe? For how long? What about the people who CAN'T go AND will suffer more than I will? I think leaving the country if you are Muslim is probably a good idea, get out now before they send you to the camps. If you're a white male like me, stay and help. Lone dissent and all that. How many lives were saved by the French Resistance? It doesn't really matter, they did the right thing.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 11, 2016, 07:29:34 PM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 11, 2016, 07:27:22 PM
I don't know how someone can fail to grasp the principle of bodily autonomy so completely. Must require a pretty thick layer of misogyny smeared over one's reality filter.
Well, to apply the concept of bodily autonomy to women, you first have to think of them as real people.
Right, right. I mean, they don't even have penises, so how could they be people? It just doesn't make any damn sense.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 11, 2016, 11:22:27 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 11, 2016, 07:29:34 PM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 11, 2016, 07:27:22 PM
I don't know how someone can fail to grasp the principle of bodily autonomy so completely. Must require a pretty thick layer of misogyny smeared over one's reality filter.
Well, to apply the concept of bodily autonomy to women, you first have to think of them as real people.
Right, right. I mean, they don't even have penises, so how could they be people? It just doesn't make any damn sense.
That's a strawman argument and you know it.
If the fetus was somehow implanted into a man through some kind of futuristic science my opinion would remain the same
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 11, 2016, 11:27:19 PM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 11, 2016, 11:22:27 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 11, 2016, 07:29:34 PM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 11, 2016, 07:27:22 PM
I don't know how someone can fail to grasp the principle of bodily autonomy so completely. Must require a pretty thick layer of misogyny smeared over one's reality filter.
Well, to apply the concept of bodily autonomy to women, you first have to think of them as real people.
Right, right. I mean, they don't even have penises, so how could they be people? It just doesn't make any damn sense.
That's a strawman argument and you know it.
If the fetus was somehow implanted into a man through some kind of futuristic science my opinion would remain the same
And, somehow, against all the odds, still completely stupid.
This isn't a proper argument. You're just automatically naysaying anything the other side says.
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 11, 2016, 11:30:02 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 11, 2016, 11:27:19 PM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 11, 2016, 11:22:27 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 11, 2016, 07:29:34 PM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 11, 2016, 07:27:22 PM
I don't know how someone can fail to grasp the principle of bodily autonomy so completely. Must require a pretty thick layer of misogyny smeared over one's reality filter.
Well, to apply the concept of bodily autonomy to women, you first have to think of them as real people.
Right, right. I mean, they don't even have penises, so how could they be people? It just doesn't make any damn sense.
That's a strawman argument and you know it.
If the fetus was somehow implanted into a man through some kind of futuristic science my opinion would remain the same
And, somehow, against all the odds, still completely stupid.
:lulz:
Here are some thoughts, which I have scavenged from a conversation on ECH's FB wall:
We can't fix this. It's going to set the whole country back. But reality is, things are going to suck, and gradually, with every national election, the results will lean more to the left. Consider that this election was very close, with a relatively high voter turnout, and Clinton won the popular vote. Trump really just barely got into office. A mere 5% shift in voter demographics will tip the balance. The other thing we need to try to address is voter suppression, which is a huge problem that keeps poor people, particularly poor black and hispanic people, from voting at all.
In terms of voter participation, it's generally double in people 30-44 what it is in people 18-29. That means that in just eight years, the heavily left-leaning but low-turnout current 20-somethings will be in their 30's and voting at twice the rate they did this election. Meanwhile, the currently-more-conservative 60+ demographic will be losing people from its more-conservative older end, and gaining people in its more-liberal younger end. The very youngest Baby Boomers will be hitting 60, and there will still be a lot of them, but they'll be starting to die off at a rapid rate. The largest upcoming political bloc will be genX. Millennials will be supplanting genX in entry-level local and state political positions, as genX politicians mature and move up into national positions. The next 8 years are going to be tough and are going to set us back badly, but the bottom line is that generation X is more liberal, and less racist and sexist than Boomers are, and Millennials are more progressive and less racist and sexist than genX, plus there are way more of them. Because of the basic nature of an age distribution curve, as Millennials start coming into their 30's they are going to have a dominating influence on our political landscape.
What I'm saying, basically, is that Tumblr is going to end up saving us all. :lulz:
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 11, 2016, 11:32:40 PM
This isn't a proper argument. You're just automatically naysaying anything the other side says.
You're half right. It's not a proper argument.
But it's not about the other side, it's about YOUR dumb ass.
You are stupid, you derail conversations with your stupid, and there's no end to it. So here I will be, making sure to remind you.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 11, 2016, 11:39:15 PM
What I'm saying, basically, is that Tumblr is going to end up saving us all. :lulz:
As someone who only subscribes to Youtuber-centric, cat-centric, or that one lady with the post about recipes tumblr blogs, I find this incredibly pleasing.
So, in terms of real life time, there'll be a significant uptick in life quality as we know it in about 20 years? That's not.... well, it's bad, but at least it'll be in my lifetime.
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 11, 2016, 11:32:40 PM
This isn't a proper argument. You're just automatically naysaying anything the other side says.
No, I'm naysaying what YOU are saying, because everything you are saying on this subject is wrong.
By sheer coincedence, you are also wrong about basically everything I've ever seen you post. If you said something correct I would be able to stop naysaying you. Like your point about this not being a proper argument: that much is true.
By way of illustration:
No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.
A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:
No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.
A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.
I quite like that.
Also, point of note, The fetus is being built with materials taken from the woman's body, not just food. My teeth were never great, but during my pregnancy they became ruined for good, because I wasn't taking calcium supplements. So that whole "not part of their body" argument is stupid bullshit, because I MADE A HUMAN WITH MY OWN UTERUS AND BLOOD AND BONES.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:
No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.
A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.
LOL So you would allow third trimester abortions on the grounds that "the fetus has no right to the womans body." Hello Ayn Rand!
Quote from: Freeky on November 11, 2016, 11:45:52 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 11, 2016, 11:39:15 PM
What I'm saying, basically, is that Tumblr is going to end up saving us all. :lulz:
As someone who only subscribes to Youtuber-centric, cat-centric, or that one lady with the post about recipes tumblr blogs, I find this incredibly pleasing.
So, in terms of real life time, there'll be a significant uptick in life quality as we know it in about 20 years? That's not.... well, it's bad, but at least it'll be in my lifetime.
It is actually pleasing. We just have to hope that the environmental damage isn't too great by then to recover from, which is pretty questionable.
You probably remember that I used to despise Tumblr. Well, I was wrong. I have completely changed my mind about it. Tumblr can be a little over-the-top at times, but it is essentially a proving ground for social ideas. Young people practice how they want to be. Sometimes they in this practice they go through an embarrassing stage of being goths or Faerie Wiccans or anarchists or even the absolute mind-bogglingly moronic nonsense of being a punk-rock Libertarian communist. On Tumblr, that practice often takes the form of being an over-the-top "social justice warrior"... but at the end of the day, it seems that being a social justice warrior in a community of social justice warriors might be exactly what we need to be. Absolutism and idealism seem to be a necessary aspect of growing up, but they are typically moderated with age, so these little idealists, driven by the intensity of the powerful emotions of youth, will mature into adults with a strong moral compass and enough understanding of the grey areas of the world to use it to make it a better place for everyone.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 12, 2016, 12:36:04 AM
Quote from: Freeky on November 11, 2016, 11:45:52 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 11, 2016, 11:39:15 PM
What I'm saying, basically, is that Tumblr is going to end up saving us all. :lulz:
As someone who only subscribes to Youtuber-centric, cat-centric, or that one lady with the post about recipes tumblr blogs, I find this incredibly pleasing.
So, in terms of real life time, there'll be a significant uptick in life quality as we know it in about 20 years? That's not.... well, it's bad, but at least it'll be in my lifetime.
It is actually pleasing. We just have to hope that the environmental damage isn't too great by then to recover from, which is pretty questionable.
You probably remember that I used to despise Tumblr. Well, I was wrong. I have completely changed my mind about it. Tumblr can be a little over-the-top at times, but it is essentially a proving ground for social ideas. Young people practice how they want to be. Sometimes they in this practice they go through an embarrassing stage of being goths or Faerie Wiccans or anarchists or even the absolute mind-bogglingly moronic nonsense of being a punk-rock Libertarian communist. On Tumblr, that practice often takes the form of being an over-the-top "social justice warrior"... but at the end of the day, it seems that being a social justice warrior in a community of social justice warriors might be exactly what we need to be. Absolutism and idealism seem to be a necessary aspect of growing up, but they are typically moderated with age, so these little idealists, driven by the intensity of the powerful emotions of youth, will mature into adults with a strong moral compass and enough understanding of the grey areas of the world to use it to make it a better place for everyone.
That's a lot more uplifting than anything else I've seen recently. Awesome.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:
No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.
A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.
Counterpoint. How about a conjoined twin who attempts suicide by overdose. Irrespective of your views on suicide should this be allowed?
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 12, 2016, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:
No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.
A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.
LOL So you would allow third trimester abortions on the grounds that "the fetus has no right to the womans body." Hello Ayn Rand!
Are you bored? You must be really bored.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 12, 2016, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:
No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.
A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.
LOL So you would allow third trimester abortions on the grounds that "the fetus has no right to the womans body." Hello Ayn Rand!
Are you bored? You must be really bored.
I think he got shown the door at his alt-right group.
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 12, 2016, 01:51:39 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:
No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.
A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.
Counterpoint. How about a conjoined twin who attempts suicide by overdose. Irrespective of your views on suicide should this be allowed?
That's a pretty interesting question with a lot of pieces to pick apart. If I wasn't really fucking tired from working all week I might be able to engage it properly.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2016, 02:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 12, 2016, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:
No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.
A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.
LOL So you would allow third trimester abortions on the grounds that "the fetus has no right to the womans body." Hello Ayn Rand!
Are you bored? You must be really bored.
I think he got shown the door at his alt-right group.
Ouch. :lulz: If THEY won't take you in, who's left?
Pee Dee, that's who!
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:31:25 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2016, 02:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 12, 2016, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:
No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.
A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.
LOL So you would allow third trimester abortions on the grounds that "the fetus has no right to the womans body." Hello Ayn Rand!
Are you bored? You must be really bored.
I think he got shown the door at his alt-right group.
Ouch. :lulz: If THEY won't take you in, who's left?
Pee Dee, that's who!
In related news, Trump just fired Christie from his transition team. Publicly. :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2016, 02:34:51 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:31:25 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2016, 02:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 12, 2016, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:
No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.
A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.
LOL So you would allow third trimester abortions on the grounds that "the fetus has no right to the womans body." Hello Ayn Rand!
Are you bored? You must be really bored.
I think he got shown the door at his alt-right group.
Ouch. :lulz: If THEY won't take you in, who's left?
Pee Dee, that's who!
In related news, Trump just fired Christie from his transition team. Publicly. :lulz:
:horrormirth: :popcorn: :horrormirth:
Isn't that like the second or third time that he's pooped on Christie's head ever since he got on board the Trump Train?
He's pretty much their whipping boy. He does have a lot of baggage
Poor Christie. He just can't win. :cry:
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:53:52 AM
Isn't that like the second or third time that he's pooped on Christie's head ever since he got on board the Trump Train?
Christie is like the nerd kid who does stupid shit for the older kids in the hopes of being accepted.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 12, 2016, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:
No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.
A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.
LOL So you would allow third trimester abortions on the grounds that "the fetus has no right to the womans body." Hello Ayn Rand!
Are you bored? You must be really bored.
Your argument applies to every trimester of pregnancy.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:31:25 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2016, 02:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 12, 2016, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:
No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.
A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.
LOL So you would allow third trimester abortions on the grounds that "the fetus has no right to the womans body." Hello Ayn Rand!
Are you bored? You must be really bored.
I think he got shown the door at his alt-right group.
Ouch. :lulz: If THEY won't take you in, who's left?
Pee Dee, that's who!
PD is officially so asshurt they are making up headcannons where I lose.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:
No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.
A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.
You forget that, at least in the US, organ donation is opt-in. Therefore even dead people would have more bodily autonomy that a pregnant woman if the anti-abortion people had their way.
A person should show that they are an organ donor before you agree to listen to their pro-life spiel.
Quote from: PopeTom on November 15, 2016, 01:20:03 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:
No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.
A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.
You forget that, at least in the US, organ donation is opt-in. Therefore even dead people would have more bodily autonomy that a pregnant woman if the anti-abortion people had their way.
A person should show that they are an organ donor before you agree to listen to their pro-life spiel.
Nowhere near far enough. To start with, the system should be opt out for adults. Massively increases the available supply and you now have to go out of your way to be enough of a self centered arsehole to fuck over some desperate living strangers after your death. Assuming laziness or apathy for the large part, it's a huge step forward, medically.
Quote from: PopeTom on November 15, 2016, 01:20:03 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:
No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.
A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.
You forget that, at least in the US, organ donation is opt-in. Therefore even dead people would have more bodily autonomy that a pregnant woman if the anti-abortion people had their way.
A person should show that they are an organ donor before you agree to listen to their pro-life spiel.
Trust me, I would never forget that corpses have more sanctity than women in the minds of anti-choice people. I'm just amazed that the realization didn't occur to me earlier in life.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 14, 2016, 11:40:24 PM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 12, 2016, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:
No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.
A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.
LOL So you would allow third trimester abortions on the grounds that "the fetus has no right to the womans body." Hello Ayn Rand!
Are you bored? You must be really bored.
Your argument applies to every trimester of pregnancy.
Yes. And?
Fascinating how my pointing out that I made another human with my own bone and blood was glossed over by PDS, and he instead went to a scenario in which two beings share a body instead of one directing leeching off another.
Quote from: Freeky on November 21, 2016, 08:25:17 PM
Fascinating how my pointing out that I made another human with my own bone and blood was glossed over by PDS, and he instead went to a scenario in which two beings share a body instead of one directing leeching off another.
Truly a master of mental gymnastics.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 21, 2016, 08:28:36 PM
Quote from: Freeky on November 21, 2016, 08:25:17 PM
Fascinating how my pointing out that I made another human with my own bone and blood was glossed over by PDS, and he instead went to a scenario in which two beings share a body instead of one directing leeching off another.
Truly a master of mental gymnastics.
If it was a real sport, he'd definitely be Olympic standard.