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why add distraction?

This bugs me. First, do you get distracted easily by pretty pictures or something?

Yes.

That said, I like the scrolls which Cram has been making, but only because they look really nice.  I wouldn't study from them, you know?  There aren't many words in the CTC - those which are there have been carefully selected and (I guess) sweated over for a couple of years.  You add a picture in there - especially something which will mean something different to different people, and all of a sudden what's the point?  Either the message you're communicating is no longer yours, or you're reinforcing a singular interpretation.

Second, umm, it's a Discordian piece.

So it should be extra really real Discordian?

I'm more excited about new definitions than reliving old ones.

Sorry, not trying to be confrontational (well, not in a combatative sense, anyhow), just sayin'

Seriously, tho, like I said, it doesn't really matter to me.

No worries!  It's a discordian thread

It's like we purposely sabotage ourselves...

This is only surprising if you start with the premise that we humans are born, distinct from every other animal, with drives other than the basics: eat, shit, fuck and sleep.  Oh, we give ourselves grandiose labels and purposes, but if you ignore the basics then those morlocks will see to it that your intellectual eloi dreams will crash to the ground.  You can live pretty close to the poverty line and still satisfy the basics.  Happiness?  Neurosis?  Family?  Not even a blip on the morlock radar.

doodling and experiments: http://www.scribd.com/doc/48500915/Chapter-16 - ick that needs a lot of work, but you can see where it's going

I like the inclusion of imagery, but I think images that would be "right at home" in the Tao te Ching should be avoided.

Instead, I think there's a HUGE amount of Discordian and Discorian related imagery (and other imagery from the meme-sphere) that can be used for a lot of this stuff. Y'know, things from the basic Eye n' the Pyramid, Sacred Chao and Kallisti Apple, in addition to tentacley, Lovecraftian, Cthulu-esque style images. Maybe even some Three Stooges and Sesame St. related pics. Hell, even some WOMPS might be relevant.

Personal taste wise - I really prefer the timeless feel of the unadorned pages.  The PD played about with publishing tricks and crazy formatting and that was a little mindfuck at a time of staid publications.  It opened the readers mind to new possibilities.  It's old now though.  Let the words speak for themselves - why add distraction?

Hey, Captain Utopia...You went THERE, did you?

Okay.

Foolish indeed little dancing man.

 

This just never gets old for me.

Fucking hell, Roger 

Yeah.   HELL yeah.


The ending was set up well.  Protagonist turns to antagonist.

I didn't know how it was going to end until I reached that paragraph. 

Really?  Re-reading it I thought I saw fore-shadowing.  Stunning writing - literally, I'm lost for words..

Great!  It looks fantastic by the way, and I'm really enjoying digging through the latest pdf.

Is there any chance of getting a printed bound copy of this at some point, or would the NC part of BY-NC-SA get in the way of that?

More later if anyone gives  a rats arse, on "How I learned to ride roughshod over the forces of Law 'n' Order,  subsume bucketfuls of LSD and eventually learned to love Lady Eris, and embrace her lulzy Discord"

 

Did you ever write that followup?  I recall trolling my teachers, before I knew that it had a name, but I didn't take it to the heights of awesome that you did.

Well then, I concede.

<re-reads first page>

Man, I haven't been that big of an ass to anyone just to make my point in ages.

Meh, I was probably asking for it.  The self-righteous shining knight routine gets old quick.

Bad Ideas!

Noooo!

Cainad, unless you make stickering your full-time job, statistical fluctuation will make any effect meaningless. This would only make sense if it's a VERY CONCENTRATED effort of several people over a limited area and a long span of time (say, a year or five), and I don't think anyone here hates fictionpuss quite that bad.

Umm, I mean, DO EEEET!!! FOR SCIENCE!!!!

If you work in a cake factory, and piss herpes into the cake mix, can you measure the over the statistical fluctuation? No.

Is that a reason/excuse to go ahead and do it anyway because of your inability to measure the results of your actions? No.

Spreading bad ideas is a bad idea.

I disagree.  One of the oddest parts of the success of the civil rights movement was the TV show All in the Family, the central character of which was an apologist bigot.  He was made to look stupid, just by voicing the opinions of apologist-type bigots everywhere.  It made being a bigot look silly.  It worked.

For a half-hour a night, Monday through Friday, that show broadcast bad ideas.

And it moved race relations forward by about 20 years.

I think that's different because you're not spreading a bad idea if you're mocking it.  If you want to use that analogy, the stickers were the equivalent of throwing racist propaganda into the world, just to see what sticks.

Context is central.

"ONLY SOME OF THEM, AND ONLY TEMPORARILY..... BECAUSE THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO BE EFFECTIVE"

I really like that perspective!

Preach it!  That's a pretty messed up story.  Blaming other people for your negativity is wonderful!  It's no surprise that the reactions get progressively worse as the individual gets more and more invested in the narrative about other people poisoning their innate goodness 

It gives me an idea though:

1) Figure out some feel-good shit people like to hear about themselves
2) Sell it
3) Profit

If you iterate prisoners dilemma through a quantum manifold

Holy fuck - reading old posts is beyond cringe-worthy.  I can't believe no one hit me over the head with that.

I wonder, what is the inherent difference, or what would it be like, if a bus, subway or train would carry the same atmosphere as a bar? Physically it is kind of the same right, small space, people close to eachother. Wouldn't it be great to enter your morning commute, say "Hi everybody!" and strike up a conversation with some random person? Sure enough, most of them won't be that interesting to talk to, but there's 100 people on that train, chances are there are at least five persons as bored as you are.

Are there any public transport systems in the world where people aren't closed-off to each other?

This gives me an idea though.. would it be possible to seed the behavior?  Or at least demonstrate how it's done?  Singing in the subway is awesome, but it's not exactly easy to join in.  Pantless subway days are neat, but it's even more - we're the cool kids who knew not to wear our tighty-whities today - it doesn't feel participatory, you know?

But why not?  It could be less staged than the other subway hijinks.  Just 2-3 seeming strangers who get into an interesting conversation one day.  How easy would it be to drag in other subway passengers?  Easier than asking them to take off their pants and start singing, I would wager.

An easy way to come up with subject matter could be to take any (decent) memebomb and work backwards..



 
 
 
 
 
 

A conclusion is reached when there's nothing left to think about on a particular subject.
	No, there's always something left to think about.. a conclusion is when you yourself can't think of anything else.
Well I can always think of something, I just don't know if it's right or not.
	How will you ever know if something is right if you stop thinking about it?
A conclusion is simply when you stop thinking?
	Right - that's settled then.

Or you could just talk about normal stuff, drawing upon trendzzzzght ^*_.~`..

It might be fun to hover just at the cusp of obviousness.. playing dumb might draw people in more easily, as we all love an opportunity to show how smart we are.  Bottom line though, I like 000's vision, even if the conversations weren't personally interesting to me.. I think it'd be nice to have another option than to always glance fearfully away from the threat of human contact.