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Doktor Howl

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 28, 2014, 04:55:35 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 28, 2014, 04:51:25 PM
Seriously Nigel, why do you have to yo-justify-herself?

I've been trying to decipher that. Is yo-justify like yogurt?

I think it was an attempt to jab at my aversion to unsolicited advice, but I am not sure that "justify" means what he thinks it means.

He's an interpreter.  It doesn't mean what YOU think it means.  You just grew up speaking the language, so you're WRONG.
Molon Lube

P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 28, 2014, 04:30:52 PM
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 28, 2014, 07:09:22 AM
I was interested in the science. I mean if you're gonna fuck around with your headmeats, might as well have an idea of what you're doing to it, right? I've found this thread really helpful in that regard as i've been wondering if a psychedelic experience might be good for me. I have a bunch of negative thought patterns sometimes and I've been thinking that a trip like that might be enough to help rewire some of that fucked up thinking. I've only ever messed with pot, which unless its the right strain, will put me right to sleep, and the one time i took Welbutrin, which just made my head hurt. Salvia looks manageable and might do the trick, though some people tell me all it does is cause ten seconds of pins-and-needles sensation.

Thanks, I'm glad that my effort to participate wasn't universally seen as a worthless derail. As someone who uses drugs as well as studies them I find it fascinating to understand the mechanisms behind the experiences, because that helps inform me in how to get the most out of the experiences. Understanding how a tool works helps us to use it better.

I found salvia kind of boring, honestly, and I've done it a bunch of times. It was just like being me, only more so. :lol: I remember having some epiphany about masturbation, but I forget what it was.

For reducing negative thought patterns, though, mushrooms are awesome IME.

Okay, in the interests of talking about something potentially interesting, I'll back down and apologise for being a dick. I'd promise sincerely that it won't happen again but, well, you know me :oops: I get that the science is interesting, I really do. It supports stuff that I thought I knew but now can be confident that I haven't imagined the whole thing. We're still left with a dilemma - it's been proven that consciousness can be rearranged. Some hallucinogens can help this process but what we don't have is a method for reprogramming. Where do we go for this? How do we develop a system which I strongly suspect is largely bespoke to the individual subjective consciousness?

Leary tried this decades ago but his research with acid was largely shitcanned. The scientific establishment has hit a plateau with this. Is there any chance of it coming out the doldrums or do we carry on trying to mine needles from haystacks of mystical mumbo jumbo in the meantime?

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
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walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 28, 2014, 04:50:13 PM
Don't let the fact that I've been grinding along here for months talking to you like a real human being and trying to get everyone to be nice to you slow you down. :lol:

Well, yanno, you might have been doing that stuff, but you were female when you did it.

you should work on that.
Molon Lube

LMNO

Have you tried not being a woman?

P3nT4gR4m

It's the name. Like, you're talking to this dude on the interbutts called Nigel and you're listening to him and, hey, dude talks a lot of sense and you think "hey I've found a cool dude here" and then suddenly you become aware that HE HAS FUCKING OVARIES!!! :argh!:

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 28, 2014, 05:00:21 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 28, 2014, 04:55:35 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 28, 2014, 04:51:25 PM
Seriously Nigel, why do you have to yo-justify-herself?

I've been trying to decipher that. Is yo-justify like yogurt?

I think it was an attempt to jab at my aversion to unsolicited advice, but I am not sure that "justify" means what he thinks it means.

He's an interpreter.  It doesn't mean what YOU think it means.  You just grew up speaking the language, so you're WRONG.

:lulz:
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 28, 2014, 05:00:40 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 28, 2014, 04:30:52 PM
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 28, 2014, 07:09:22 AM
I was interested in the science. I mean if you're gonna fuck around with your headmeats, might as well have an idea of what you're doing to it, right? I've found this thread really helpful in that regard as i've been wondering if a psychedelic experience might be good for me. I have a bunch of negative thought patterns sometimes and I've been thinking that a trip like that might be enough to help rewire some of that fucked up thinking. I've only ever messed with pot, which unless its the right strain, will put me right to sleep, and the one time i took Welbutrin, which just made my head hurt. Salvia looks manageable and might do the trick, though some people tell me all it does is cause ten seconds of pins-and-needles sensation.

Thanks, I'm glad that my effort to participate wasn't universally seen as a worthless derail. As someone who uses drugs as well as studies them I find it fascinating to understand the mechanisms behind the experiences, because that helps inform me in how to get the most out of the experiences. Understanding how a tool works helps us to use it better.

I found salvia kind of boring, honestly, and I've done it a bunch of times. It was just like being me, only more so. :lol: I remember having some epiphany about masturbation, but I forget what it was.

For reducing negative thought patterns, though, mushrooms are awesome IME.

Okay, in the interests of talking about something potentially interesting, I'll back down and apologise for being a dick. I'd promise sincerely that it won't happen again but, well, you know me :oops: I get that the science is interesting, I really do. It supports stuff that I thought I knew but now can be confident that I haven't imagined the whole thing. We're still left with a dilemma - it's been proven that consciousness can be rearranged. Some hallucinogens can help this process but what we don't have is a method for reprogramming. Where do we go for this? How do we develop a system which I strongly suspect is largely bespoke to the individual subjective consciousness?

Leary tried this decades ago but his research with acid was largely shitcanned. The scientific establishment has hit a plateau with this. Is there any chance of it coming out the doldrums or do we carry on trying to mine needles from haystacks of mystical mumbo jumbo in the meantime?

Leary paved the way for some really interesting research, and now that we have a somewhat better understanding of what's happening, chemically and mechanically, in the brain, researchers have solid data with which to support additional investigation into the effects of various drugs on the nervous system. NIH is openly funding a lot of this research, some very respected researchers in some of the most renowned institutions are conducting it, it's simply not taboo anymore. I know that my neuro professor is excited about it, but I won't really know much about it until next term -- I literally just don't have time to do much side-investigation this term, but next term the advanced neurophysiology class is research-based and I'll be taking neuropharmacology as well, so I should have a chance to immerse myself in the state of the research.

Here's a not-very-sciency article about it: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/acid-test-the-case-for-using-psychedelics-to-treat-ptsd-depression/2014/09/04/03c3c222-0e01-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 28, 2014, 05:13:15 PM
Have you tried not being a woman?

I did try having a penis once, but the guy who had it first got really upset.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 28, 2014, 05:20:37 PM
It's the name. Like, you're talking to this dude on the interbutts called Nigel and you're listening to him and, hey, dude talks a lot of sense and you think "hey I've found a cool dude here" and then suddenly you become aware that HE HAS FUCKING OVARIES!!! :argh!:

It ruins everything.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


LMNO

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 28, 2014, 05:50:25 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 28, 2014, 05:13:15 PM
Have you tried not being a woman?

I did try having a penis once, but the guy who had it first got really upset.

:horrormirth:

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

I've noticed a definite trend, which is that Roger says something snarky to/about Holist, and Holist promptly attacks me. I just re-scanned the thread and I said not one single derogatory or dismissive thing in response to Holist. But Roger did, and Holist promptly turned nasty on both of us. I even recall cases where I wasn't arguing with Holist but Roger was, and Holist got ugly with me and didn't address Roger at all.

Funny, that. I'll have to start pointing it out when it happens.

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Dodo Argentino on November 28, 2014, 05:09:12 AM
The constant hostility and strawmanbuilding really does grind. I tell you about impressions I gathered during a pretty fucking freaky profound trip, you infer my attitude towards science and my world view. That is so unscientific, Woman-who-has-yo-justify-herself-all-the-time and Underappreciated-man-who-has-found-solace-in-grump! Although I don't think it is the only thing worth caring about, I do care about science. A lot. In fact I am beginning to suspect I care about it a great deal more than either of you.

Just re-quoting this because it amuses me so and I just registered the last line. :lol: That's priceless.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Because nothing says "doesn't care much about science" like going tens of thousands of dollars into debt and committing to nine years of poverty in order to devote one's life to it!

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


LMNO

And nothing shows that a person cares about science than firmly believing in something that is completely NOT SCIENCE.