Have You Heard About Fukushima?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The heavier isotopes are extremely unlikely to make it from Japan to Oregon in a concentration that concerns me via water-borne delivery. And the prevailing wind patterns ARE the prevailing rain patterns.

Nope... the prevailing rain contamination patterns correspond with ocean currents.

you got a link or citation? I don't disbelieve you, but it seems counterintuitive.

Counterintuitive how? Rainwater in coastal areas is largely evaporate from the ocean's surface.

I think I posted links earlier in the thread. If I have time later today I'll find and repost them.

Yeah, I don't know why I had a case of the dumb on that one.

Proof that it happens to the best of us.

[hirley0]

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heavi

Nope...  it happens

photo in days { maybe

[The Wizard Joseph]

It is also worth considering the effects of bio accumulation.  Reactors are not going to stop leeching radioactive waste into the ecosystem for quite some time.  The particles are often chemical mimics of other elements. IIRC plutonium is an iron mimic for example.  They can be carried by almost any life form, and the higher up the chain a life form is the greater the concentration becomes over time.  It is a vector that takes longer to spread, but it is not readily detected as the creature must often be chemically processed to release the radioactive particles. 

It's seems a little too morbid and pointless to me to try to prove which disaster is worse, but whatever the truth is the problem from both reactors will persist for generations.  Even the "coffin" that the Chernobyl reactor is encased in is only a temporary measure.  The radioactive material inside of it is infinitely patient and will steadily burn through it.  The cost of building it was immense in terms of material expense and lives.  We NEED at least 3 more similar efforts in Japan, and after that we will have bought time to figure out the riddle of how to move something you cannot get close enough to touch.

Then we need to hope or pray or whatever that the other containment on the hundreds of other reactors world wide remains perfect in function.  Of course this is impossible, entropy being what it is.

Not that I consume anything other than pure light, another handy way to "increase" the gradient of that vector is to describe bio-magnification, in addition to accumulation.  I tnk magnification is supposed to be when you factor exposure to greater concentrations as you move up the predator ranks.  Humans that eat big fish that eat smaller fish that eat littler fish etc...  Essentially it's just to show that the accumulation is not linear, it's worse, if you practice unholy acts like whatever it is you do with the fishy fish-sticks 
(eh, sorry about the hair splitting, I don't even think magnification is part of the lexicon anymore and was adequatly described by your account of accumulation, like I said 

The dude in the youtube link I posted earlier ITT was apparently an avid consumer of radioactive materials.. to prove their safety.  If you stick to pure light I'm sure you'll be just fine! Probably pretty hungry though.

Here's a fun bit from one of the articles linked in the description.

Wednesday, 27 April 2011 06:00
Fukushima: Just How Dangerous Is Radiation?

Even more irony comes from the land of liberals, California — home to Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, and Governor Jerry Brown — where many residents are fearful of the effects of radioactive particles carried on the winds from Japan. UConn physics professor emeritus Howard Hayden points out in his newsletter, The Energy Advocate, that the joke is on the Californians who are now gobbling down potassium iodine pills to saturate their thyroids in an attempt to block an accumulation of radioactive iodine. The "K" in KI pills is potassium, a small percentage of which is radioactive Potassium 40. In an attempt to avoid barely detectable amounts of Iodine 131, they are ingesting easily measurable amounts of bone-seeking Potassium 40. Actually this radiation won't bother them either, although the pills are not gentle on the digestive system and give the same symptoms — nausea and cramping — as does real radiation sickness, which has afflicted no one in Japan, let alone thousands of miles away in the United States.

Note that this was back before the scale of the disaster was officially admitted to be level 7.  When Chernobyl went all, well, Chernobyl the Russian government did nothing to inform the citizens and world at first.  The more things change the more they stay the same.  If you read the article do note the number of assumptions the author is making to produce his quite accurate comparative math.

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It is also worth considering the effects of bio accumulation.  Reactors are not going to stop leeching radioactive waste into the ecosystem for quite some time.  The particles are often chemical mimics of other elements. IIRC plutonium is an iron mimic for example.  They can be carried by almost any life form, and the higher up the chain a life form is the greater the concentration becomes over time.  It is a vector that takes longer to spread, but it is not readily detected as the creature must often be chemically processed to release the radioactive particles. 

It's seems a little too morbid and pointless to me to try to prove which disaster is worse, but whatever the truth is the problem from both reactors will persist for generations.  Even the "coffin" that the Chernobyl reactor is encased in is only a temporary measure.  The radioactive material inside of it is infinitely patient and will steadily burn through it.  The cost of building it was immense in terms of material expense and lives.  We NEED at least 3 more similar efforts in Japan, and after that we will have bought time to figure out the riddle of how to move something you cannot get close enough to touch.

Then we need to hope or pray or whatever that the other containment on the hundreds of other reactors world wide remains perfect in function.  Of course this is impossible, entropy being what it is.

Not that I consume anything other than pure light, another handy way to "increase" the gradient of that vector is to describe bio-magnification, in addition to accumulation.  I tnk magnification is supposed to be when you factor exposure to greater concentrations as you move up the predator ranks.  Humans that eat big fish that eat smaller fish that eat littler fish etc...  Essentially it's just to show that the accumulation is not linear, it's worse, if you practice unholy acts like whatever it is you do with the fishy fish-sticks 
(eh, sorry about the hair splitting, I don't even think magnification is part of the lexicon anymore and was adequatly described by your account of accumulation, like I said 

The dude in the youtube link I posted earlier ITT was apparently an avid consumer of radioactive materials.. to prove their safety.  If you stick to pure light I'm sure you'll be just fine! Probably pretty hungry though.

Here's a fun bit from one of the articles linked in the description.

Wednesday, 27 April 2011 06:00
Fukushima: Just How Dangerous Is Radiation?

Even more irony comes from the land of liberals, California — home to Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, and Governor Jerry Brown — where many residents are fearful of the effects of radioactive particles carried on the winds from Japan. UConn physics professor emeritus Howard Hayden points out in his newsletter, The Energy Advocate, that the joke is on the Californians who are now gobbling down potassium iodine pills to saturate their thyroids in an attempt to block an accumulation of radioactive iodine. The "K" in KI pills is potassium, a small percentage of which is radioactive Potassium 40. In an attempt to avoid barely detectable amounts of Iodine 131, they are ingesting easily measurable amounts of bone-seeking Potassium 40. Actually this radiation won't bother them either, although the pills are not gentle on the digestive system and give the same symptoms — nausea and cramping — as does real radiation sickness, which has afflicted no one in Japan, let alone thousands of miles away in the United States.

Note that this was back before the scale of the disaster was officially admitted to be level 7.  When Chernobyl went all, well, Chernobyl the Russian government did nothing to inform the citizens and world at first.  The more things change the more they stay the same.  If you read the article do note the number of assumptions the author is making to produce his quite accurate comparative math.

Wow, I guess it goes to show that our humanity thingie might just be working after all, despite our best efforts to ignore it 

[hirley0]

Here is my Guess about what took place PRIOR to
the Maid 4 Prime Time Tv Explosion . Realizing 8.9 would B9 an order
was handed down to create the Maid4P . Their4 what WAS reported
as an /-/ was really not. H explosions rise Quickly in the air and R
not Black or even dark gray, with rising slowly features .
(this is my guess & of course i have no proof
as far as the fall out on SW Salmon st between Park & 10th
yes there R fish odors, not everY day, but more often then normal

[hirley0]

Sat/Fri 6:34 Live from Washington | games ? {WW)
Yeah" Anyway the trip to the Mus ?went well? /-/owever
the Bridge We | P&me .. went to see ? WAS NOT 1 of 5 | by by

Fri/Thur? the Italian Din went Well? cost under control
the trip there and back was HeLL/HEll/ /-/ e LL reaLLy bad SmeLL.
as far as Fri b4 Sat it is the Monet at the Museum 6PM / out Rain:

Thur/WEd There was the Water Warning in town{pdx)
for the west side, the Next day Oboma was in town {roomer has it)
Roomer has it { here in the Fountain Apt) that he was relocated
from the Art Museum {Mark Bldg? {Block away |-| to the cONvention
center {on the other side of the River {Williamette) i have 0 idea
of the truth or Falsis of any of these Roomers .

Tues went well enough the max had a Pr Motor cade stop 11:??/Beaverton

5 : GUESS | SEE HoRo}
4 :37 with only 2.5 till Max it will be a rather Hic Tic day .. CLEARLY
3 :35 Some Gal {TBD) & Guy {TBC) chit chat | pre RE'd clearly ? Grim
2 :33 mY ch12 (Um} chip {FRS) has now begun the go.mint PR
1 @ 7:30AM pdT NHK report on Islands in China Sea over | OVER}

Here is my Guess about what took place PRIOR to
the Maid 4 Prime Time Tv Explosion . Realizing 8.9 would B9 an order
was handed down to create the Maid4P . Their4 what WAS reported
as an /-/ was really not. H explosions rise Quickly in the air and R
not Black or even dark gray, with rising slowly features .
(this is my guess & of course i have no proof
as far as the fall out on SW Salmon st between Park & 10th
yes there R fish odors, not ever day, but more often then normal

[Sir Bearington]

Hopefully the long lasting nuclear radiation won't cause tentacle monsters to rise from the deep and ravage our women.

The whole thing seems so long ago.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Hopefully the long lasting nuclear radiation won't cause tentacle monsters to rise from the deep and ravage our women.

The whole thing seems so long ago.

Thousands and thousands of future leukemia patients find your humor to be fucking hilarious.

[Sir Bearington]

Hopefully the long lasting nuclear radiation won't cause tentacle monsters to rise from the deep and ravage our women.

The whole thing seems so long ago.

Thousands and thousands of future leukemia patients find your humor to be fucking hilarious.

I sure hope so, because i dont find it funny.

I send my best wishes to them.

[hirley0]

5am msg1173226 date=1336840583]

What is  this, spam?

[hirley0]

5:22 msg1173320 date=1336879848 YAY!

I'm guessing it's just garden-variety DERP.

This seems highly likely.

Sigh.

I kind of want to respond with "NO, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF FUKUSHIMA BECAUSE I TOTALLY LIVE UNDER A ROCK, AND IN FACT THIS WHOLE BOARD IS JUST A SUPPORT GROUP FOR ISOLATED SHUT-INS WHO HAVE NO ACCESS TO INFORMATION ABOUT SIGNIFICANT WORLD EVENTS WHATSOEVER".

[hirley0]

I'm open to any scientific evidence that it could make it across the Pacific in the atmosphere, but until then it seems highly doubtful for the reasons I posted. Surface winds tend to blow southeast to northwest across that part of Japan. And given how frequent the storms in the Pacific are, it seems likely that rain would flush it out before it reached the west coast even if the prevailing winds turned around long enough to theoretically carry it that far. I'm pretty sure that I'm exposed to more radiation due to how frequently I fly in a year than I would be in a lifetime of Fukushima.

Of course, my opinion is strictly based on what we know NOW about the disaster and not on any possible future further worsening of the problem. And like I said, I could be wrong, but for now I'm not buying in to the fear.

All I know is that UC Davis and, allegedly,  the EPA (which, oddly, I can't find official records of online even though they have a website specifically for that data) measured significantly elevated radiation levels (about five times normal) on the California coast in February, and that there is no official government data publicly available at this time, despite the supposed-to-be-publicly-available quarterly milk, rainwater, drinking water, and atmospheric readings done routinely by the EPA. It is unusual.

NoPE

[hirley0]

YaY?
recall now My '96 race for US senate from this state.
Because i was weLL aware at that time | if it was i
iT would be more Maids4 Prome Time Tv.
So?instead of running My campaign against the 1
US Senator {from this State) I ran against Both
of them! i did this by taking a photo copy of A
LegaL document? the government had requested
that i provide them about LegaL documents i
provided FOR THEM.  one to each office.
As both had offices in town. I wote a note
"to my self" on the back of each.
Each day for a week i would return to the
enators offices and update my note to
myself for i did assume it was beyound this
OR any government to deal with this
siruation. For your information they BOTH
Resigned. I did attend the swearing in event
held at psu of the replacement? and was
ordered out of the area. i was not allowed
to even be around .  So Shirley i have CON
TEMpT , AND PLENTY of it.

Hopefully the long lasting nuclear radiation won't cause tentacle monsters to rise from the deep and ravage our women.

The whole thing seems so long ago.

Thousands and thousands of future leukemia patients find your humor to be fucking hilarious.

I sure hope so, because i dont find it funny.

I send my best wishes to them.

going on with this debait anyway
thus i found myself Yesterday waiting to buy cherries in the park
diagonally across the street from the MARK, it was a long wait
as the place is rather crowded and i was there with my Senior
discount $ .. Eventually things began to settle down {about 1o Min
and the gal ask me ? i said $6 / Cherries | handed her A$2bill
& a ?"Voucher"? as i was doing this THOSE who are moving in
to take over were over on the far side, were taking free samples as
fast as their greedy little paws could pick and poke.
so Shirley i have contempt! How Much do you suggest they R
worth? By the minute?/? 1? 5? 10? 25? 50? 100? 1K
i mean reaLLy: just HOW Much

i was opposed to the State Republicans Who in the 90's Sent the
Timbers from this state there, to prop them UP? only to have those
same resources returned to the beaches HERE in their altered form

NO to me it is time for the HARD LINE. Japan, { i mean all 6000 islands
are not worth 1 US dime. got it NOT 1. _________________________

[Sir Bearington]

One good factor about japan so far after this catastrophic event is that they are making the best games as of late in ages in order to fill up their coffers.

But they are not localized to the US and Europe.   

[hirley0]

Fri 6PM Monet at Museum ? Park entrance: EoD {pROBably

Today at 06:54:20 AM  - Today at 05:26:21 AM

One good factor about japan so far after this catastrophic event is that they are making the best games as of late in ages in order to fill up their coffers.

But they are not localized to the US and Europe.   

so give them all 1hr 28mi & 1 Sec to Rid this planet of
That situation.