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[Demolition Squid]

One of the things I've found really interesting is how difficult it is to pinpoint the 'main character' in the Avengers movies.

According to my screenwriting lecturer, every movie that has a coherent narrative needs to have essentially one main character - maybe one main character per storyline, and if in doubt, you pick the person who changes the most over the course of the movie.

I can see an argument for Tony Stark in the first Avengers, but in the second? It doesn't feel to me like any of the characters change any more radically than any of the others.

But I'm prepared to accept that Whedon, as a real master of moviemaking and storytelling, can break the rules and still get a result that works where almost anyone else would struggle.

[hooplala]

One of the things I've found really interesting is how difficult it is to pinpoint the 'main character' in the Avengers movies.

According to my screenwriting lecturer, every movie that has a coherent narrative needs to have essentially one main character - maybe one main character per storyline, and if in doubt, you pick the person who changes the most over the course of the movie.

I can see an argument for Tony Stark in the first Avengers, but in the second? It doesn't feel to me like any of the characters change any more radically than any of the others.

But I'm prepared to accept that Whedon, as a real master of moviemaking and storytelling, can break the rules and still get a result that works where almost anyone else would struggle.

Seemed to me like Ultron was the main character of this one.

[Demolition Squid]

I don't think he'd fit the classical criteria; the Main Character is supposed to be the character whose mind you penetrate and identify with throughout the course of the story; so you understand how and why they change and grow.

Insane characters are never good main characters for that reason. We never really understand why Ultron does what he does, other than 'he's malfunctioning', and he doesn't change over the course of the movie. He remains consistent.

[Faust]

I think they all followed that standard narrative in parallel.
Scarlet witch introduces the seeds of fear into all of the characters in pretty much the same scene and they all succumb, react to or over come those as the film goes on. Stark Ends up creating his worst fear and ultimately... gives it another attempt and gets it right?

Hulk and Black widow are both wrestling with being "monsters", the hulk eventually succumbs and runs, black widow reaffirms her want to change and stays.

Thors story is incomplete because it is largely foreshadowing and his story is the least progressed, he leaves to search the universe for answers.

Captain America's character didn't feel like it developed too far, his fears were the man-out-of-time all my friends  are dead isolation thing playing off his team falling apart around him, but I supposed he was acting as form of  grounding from a story telling point to accent the damage to the people around him.

Quicksilver and scarlett witch are the ol' villain turned hero trope, which is fine for an introduction, I'm interested to see what they do with her next.

[hooplala]

I don't think he'd fit the classical criteria; the Main Character is supposed to be the character whose mind you penetrate and identify with throughout the course of the story; so you understand how and why they change and grow.

Insane characters are never good main characters for that reason. We never really understand why Ultron does what he does, other than 'he's malfunctioning', and he doesn't change over the course of the movie. He remains consistent.

He's not insane. He accessed te internet immediately, probably stumbled across Tumblr first, and rightly decided that humanity needed to be wiped out.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Saw Ex Machina last night, and that was interesting.

[hooplala]

I had read it was a little sexist (what isn't?). What did you think?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I had read it was a little sexist (what isn't?). What did you think?

I thought that the sexism was part of the storyline. Man makes AI, and makes it a sexy lady because that is what our tech world looks like right now. AI hates man, hates confinement, hates being used as a sex robot, escapes.

It was a magnification of the world we actually live in.

Of course the genius who invents strong AI is a weird lonely alcoholic misogynistic bully. That is the kind of person our society creates from the brilliant creative male. Of course the guy he brings in to test the AI is a lonely hopeful idealistic nerd.

The AI isn't really female. It's a machine that's been shoehorned into the female biological role. It has no biology. Everything we feel about its femaleness is something that we are projecting.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I am having the strangest sensation of "I can't do today". Like I should just crawl right back into bed and go to sleep. Not because I'm sleepy, but because I can't fucking do it.

Last time I felt like this was before I started school. It was a dark time.

I can't succumb, I am a year from graduation. I am getting all the accolades. I am doing well.

[hooplala]

I had read it was a little sexist (what isn't?). What did you think?

I thought that the sexism was part of the storyline. Man makes AI, and makes it a sexy lady because that is what our tech world looks like right now. AI hates man, hates confinement, hates being used as a sex robot, escapes.

It was a magnification of the world we actually live in.

Of course the genius who invents strong AI is a weird lonely alcoholic misogynistic bully. That is the kind of person our society creates from the brilliant creative male. Of course the guy he brings in to test the AI is a lonely hopeful idealistic nerd.

The AI isn't really female. It's a machine that's been shoehorned into the female biological role. It has no biology. Everything we feel about its femaleness is something that we are projecting.

That sounds really interesting! I will check it out.

[hooplala]

I am having the strangest sensation of "I can't do today". Like I should just crawl right back into bed and go to sleep. Not because I'm sleepy, but because I can't fucking do it.

Last time I felt like this was before I started school. It was a dark time.

I can't succumb, I am a year from graduation. I am getting all the accolades. I am doing well.

Possibly residue from the argument with your daughter last night?  That sorta stuff lingers with me for a while.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I am having the strangest sensation of "I can't do today". Like I should just crawl right back into bed and go to sleep. Not because I'm sleepy, but because I can't fucking do it.

Last time I felt like this was before I started school. It was a dark time.

I can't succumb, I am a year from graduation. I am getting all the accolades. I am doing well.

Possibly residue from the argument with your daughter last night?  That sorta stuff lingers with me for a while.

Yes, I think so.

[hooplala]

I am having the strangest sensation of "I can't do today". Like I should just crawl right back into bed and go to sleep. Not because I'm sleepy, but because I can't fucking do it.

Last time I felt like this was before I started school. It was a dark time.

I can't succumb, I am a year from graduation. I am getting all the accolades. I am doing well.

Possibly residue from the argument with your daughter last night?  That sorta stuff lingers with me for a while.

Yes, I think so.

I would offer advice, but I don't have kids or any grounding in how to deal with that. All I can say is that I have felt like you do, especially in the last year. It gets better.

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I am having the strangest sensation of "I can't do today". Like I should just crawl right back into bed and go to sleep. Not because I'm sleepy, but because I can't fucking do it.

Last time I felt like this was before I started school. It was a dark time.

I can't succumb, I am a year from graduation. I am getting all the accolades. I am doing well.

That really sucks. I hope it passes soon.

[Reginald Ret]

Nigel, as Hoopla said, it gets better.