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Principia Discordia => Principia Discussion => Topic started by: Voice of Truth on May 13, 2005, 12:57:54 AM

Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 13, 2005, 12:57:54 AM
Hey, everyone.  Long time no talk.  Well someone hacked into the Internet Messiah forum a couple days ago and killed it.  I know Scorch, who runs it, and he says it's looking all bad.  I'm observing a few days anger and then I'll probably move on.  I just wish you computer geeks out there (whoever you are) would find something better to do with your time than fuck it up for everyone else when they're having a good time.  That being said, I'm just spreading the word to make sure you keep updating your software, firewalls, and all that jazz so the bastards can't fuck with yours too.  Fuckin assholes... :?

Other than that, how's everyone doing?  I'm graduating in less than a month!!  Hooray for me!!  
(http://www.chimelock.com/forum/images/smiles/sexy.gif)

It's been a long time comin'.  I don't know what the hell I'm going to do with all this new free time I'm about to happen.  Fish beware!!
Title: Re: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2005, 12:59:53 AM
Quote from: Voice of TruthHey, everyone.  Long time no talk.  Well someone hacked into the Internet Messiah forum a couple days ago and killed it.  I know Scorch, who runs it, and he says it's looking all bad.  I'm observing a few days anger and then I'll probably move on.  I just wish you computer geeks out there (whoever you are) would find something better to do with your time than fuck it up for everyone else when they're having a good time.  That being said, I'm just spreading the word to make sure you keep updating your software, firewalls, and all that jazz so the bastards can't fuck with yours too.  Fuckin assholes... :?

Other than that, how's everyone doing?  I'm graduating in less than a month!!  Hooray for me!!  
(http://www.chimelock.com/forum/images/smiles/sexy.gif)

It's been a long time comin'.  I don't know what the hell I'm going to do with all this new free time I'm about to happen.  Fish beware!!

For once I agree with you.  I have the damn XP worm already, and my fucking box reboots every 6 minutes.

Fortunately, a buddy of mine is burning the patch for me.

Virus writers & hackers should be given the bastinado.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Bella on May 13, 2005, 01:02:30 AM
I know. I went over there to post a couple of days ago and it looks like everything is long gone.  :(
It totally sucks - there was a lot of stuff on that forum.

Congratulations on your graduation, though.
That's very cool, VOT.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 13, 2005, 01:03:40 AM
VoT wishes to clarify.  I know no one here did it.  Or at least I'm just assuming.  You guys are alright in my book, even if we'll never agree on geo-political theories, will we?  Anyway, that note to computer geeks was just me talking to them wherever they are; not anyone here.  (Unless someone out there that did it is reading this, in which case you need to burn in hell and whatever the bastinado is too!) :evil:
Title: Re: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2005, 01:04:10 AM
Quote from: Voice of TruthIt's been a long time comin'.  I don't know what the hell I'm going to do with all this new free time I'm about to happen.  Fish beware!!

Get a job, hippie!  :lol:
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 13, 2005, 01:04:16 AM
Thank you, Maam!! :wink:
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Cain on May 13, 2005, 01:04:17 AM
First, congrats on graduation.

Secndly, hackers suck. Someone tried it on my PC not that long ago, however, they weren't very good and I stopped them.

Thirdly, how very wierd.  I was reading alot of old posts in this particular subforum, including yours today whilst trying to avoid revision.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 13, 2005, 01:05:50 AM
I hope they were top notch posts on my part.  And I have a full-time job already.  Can't you tell! :lol:

Seriously, though, I do. 8)
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2005, 01:06:37 AM
Quote from: Voice of TruthVoT wishes to clarify.  I know no one here did it.  Or at least I'm just assuming.  You guys are alright in my book, even if we'll never agree on geo-political theories, will we?  Anyway, that note to computer geeks was just me talking to them wherever they are; not anyone here.  (Unless someone out there that did it is reading this, in which case you need to burn in hell and whatever the bastinado is too!) :evil:

Bastinado:  Tying someone down, and beating the bottoms of their feet with rods.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 13, 2005, 01:07:41 AM
Works for me, but no need to stop at the feet.  They can just head right on up their legs on towards their face for all I care.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Sepia on May 13, 2005, 01:08:11 AM
Quote from: SAforumsThis all takes place in February to April of 2004, when I was a Freshman in college. I have always been a fairly shy person, but I had a circle of friends from high school that I hung out with on a regular basis. Specifically, I had a best friend, John, who I hung out with almost every day. At that time, I commuted to my state University, which was about a half-hour drive from my house, and all of my friends were either seniors in high school or were living at home and attending the local community college. From the time I graduated high school to January of my Freshman year at college my life was pretty simple and relaxed. I spent a few hours a day on schoolwork, hung out with my friends, went to parties on the weekend, and in general had a good time. That was until, of course, I met Stephanie, and everything changed.

Stephanie was an acquaintance of a friend of John, who he met at a party that I did not attend. She was a Senior at another local high school, and lived about 15 minutes away from me. He got her number, and a few days later we went to her house to hang out. We hung out with her a few more times over the next couple weeks, and once it became apparent to John that she wasn,Äôt going to sleep with him, he lost most of his interest. I, however, did not. Stephanie was the most beautiful and amazing girl I have ever seen. From the first time I saw her I knew I was in ,Äúlove,Äù. She was just so pretty, and so funny, and had the most adorable laugh and smile I had ever seen and heard.

I wished so badly that I had the social skills to become friends with her independent of John; I mean, I knew that she was way out of my league and I was never going to get anywhere with her, but maybe if I could just become friends with her something might happen, someday. However, I never got the opportunity. We were acquaintances, and she thought I was nice, but we never really became close enough friends that I would feel comfortable asking her to hang out by myself. So, once John decided that trying to get into her pants had become a futile endeavor, I was pretty much screwed. But I still just couldn,Äôt get her out of my head. I was infatuated with this girl, and when I get infatuated with a girl like this, it takes a lot of time and a lot of work to get over her. This time, however, I didn,Äôt want to get over her. I didn,Äôt want to get her out of my head only to become obsessed with some other girl two weeks later. Stephanie was perfect, and I had to do anything I could to stay close to her.

So, I started working on a plan, a plan that had but one challenge - I needed full access to her computer. Luck was on my side however, as she happened to be throwing a party at her house the next weekend, since her parents were out of town. I convinced John that we should go, and that Friday night, we show up at her house with my 32 MB USB Pen Drive in my pocket. Everyone is getting drunk, but I stayed sober, since I decided that I needed to be fully alert to pull this off. About two hours into the party, I sneak up into her room. Basically everyone is downstairs, except for someone who is puking in the upstairs bathroom. I insert my USB Drive into her computer, and install its contents. The program I installed, as you may have figured out, is a custom written Trojan horse - a backdoor, undetectable by any virus scanning programs, that will give me full access to her computer at all times. With that, I took out the USB Drive, went downstairs, got smashed, and left in the wee hours of the morning.

When I woke up at my house on Saturday afternoon, I immediately went on my computer to make sure everything was working properly, and boy was it. I had access to EVERYTHING. Every file on her computer, a complete log of every keystroke she,Äôs typed, every website she,Äôs visited, and every program she,Äôs opened. I spent the weekend writing little programs to make reading her IM conversations and email much easier, since my Trojan just sent all the data to me in a raw text format. Best of all, she had a digital camera that she carried everywhere with her, and she took pictures almost every time she went out with her friends, and uploaded them to her computer when she got back. It was just amazing,Ķ when you have total access to someone who you are so completely infatuated with,Ķ it is hard to explain, but it just makes you feel so powerful,Ķ It should be obvious, but just so everyone is clear, NO ONE else knew about any of this, not even John. After this, life basically continued on as normal, only with my new ,Äúhobby,Äù taking up most of my spare time. I saw Stephanie only 3 times after the party, but I didn,Äôt really mind. When I saw her in real life, I always had to worry about saying something stupid, and I was always paranoid about what she was thinking about me. On the computer, I could just escape to another world, where I wouldn,Äôt have to worry about her judging me.

After about a month, I was starting to get a little bored with everything, and I felt like I needed something new to re-kindle my connection with Stephanie, and I knew what it was. She had a web cam near her computer, but it was facing backwards on one of her shelves, and wasn,Äôt even plugged in. So, one day, I was hanging out with John and we were bored, and I suggested to John that we go visit Stephanie, since we hadn,Äôt seen her in a long time. He was like ,ÄúSure, whatever,,Äù and he called her up and we drove over to her house. When we got there, I told her that I had forgotten about an online assignment that was due today, and that I needed to get on a computer right now. She told me that it was fine if I used hers, which of course was my plan all along. So I go upstairs to her room, find the web cam, plug it in, install the driver, and position in so that I can see as much of her room as possible, most importantly so that I can see her while she is on the computer and lying in bed. I then go back downstairs a leave a little while later, happy as a clam.

Two days later, I get back to my house at like 7 PM from school and dinner, and go to my computer to check up on Stephanie. However, something strange has happened, her computer is off. This is very peculiar, as she has never actually turned her computer off (although she rebooted it many times) as long as I,Äôve known her. I look in the logs, and see something that completely devastates me - I,Äôve been found out. Along with a normal virus scan, which came up empty, someone had downloaded run nmap and ethereal to see which ports were open and to sniff network traffic. Apparently she was so suspicious, most likely from the web cam, that she got someone who was very computer savvy to manually scan her computer for Trojans. At this point I was scared shitless. It couldn,Äôt be linked to me for certain, because none of the data from her computer was sent directly to me, as it was all routed through another trojaned box somewhere else first. However, she must have known that I set up the web cam, and it doesn,Äôt take a rocket scientists to put two-and-two together. So, I called John to see if she said anything to him. As soon as he answers I can tell he,Äôs very upset. I still remember the exact wording of the following conversations.

,ÄúWhat the fuck dude. What the fuck,Äù
,ÄúWhat are you talking about?,Äù
,ÄúLook you motherfucker,Ķ Jesus Christ, you know, I have ALWAYS stood up for you. NONE of my friends like you, they all think that you are a creepy, annoying asshole, but I ALWAYS said ,ÄòNo, he,Äôs a really cool guy if you get to know him,Äô. I always let you tag along to wherever I was going. But you know what, they were right. You,Äôre a fucking psycho, and a fucking stalker, and the creepiest motherfucker I,Äôve ever met. Don,Äôt ever fucking talk to me again, don,Äôt ever fucking try to hang out with me again,Ķ and believe me when I say this to you, if you EVER, EVER try to contact Stephanie ever again I will get ALL of my friends to beat the living shit out of you, seriously. Bye, have a nice fucking life."

Then he hung up. There was nothing I could say. He knew the truth now, and he had always suspected that something weird was going on, but he never really tried to find out what it was, probably because he would rather just not have known. My life was over. I had no friends anymore. Not a single one. And I had no way of making new friends, as trying to make friends when you commute to college is hard enough for anyone, much more-so when you,Äôre as shy as I am. And even more than that, it was all over with Stephanie. I had never felt a connection to any woman in the same way that I felt a connection with her, and that was gone forever, and I was never going to get it back. I felt like I had no reason to live anymore, so I drank the half bottle of Vodka I had left, downed an assortment of pills from my medicine cabinet, and hoped I would never wake up.

Unfortunately, I did wake up, in the hospital, with my mother crying next to me. I was released into the care of my mother, who told me that she was going to put me into a treatment plan as soon as she could. My mother didn,Äôt know about any of the previous nights drama, so after I was taken to the hospital she called John to try and figure out what happened. John, being the great guy that he is, told her a version of the story that didn,Äôt make me out as a total psycho. When I got home, I checked the voice mail on my cell phone. There was one message, from John. He said that he was so sorry for being so mean to me last night, and that he shouldn,Äôt have said all of those things when he knew I was already depressed. He also said that my attempted suicide doesn,Äôt change anything, because he would have to choose between all of his other friends and me, and he just couldn,Äôt choose me. After that, I went to this psychiatric hospital for a week, which put me on anti-depressants and made me start seeing a therapist.

Since then things have been,Ķ OK, I guess. I,Äôve made a few new friends, but I,Äôve still never gotten a girlfriend or even kissed a girl. Pathetic, I know. Well, that,Äôs my story, I hope you guys don,Äôt think I,Äôm too much of a weirdo. I know that most guys here can relate to being infatuated with a girl, so I don,Äôt really think it will be too much of a problem :)
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 13, 2005, 01:18:30 AM
Can we say, "needs help".  I guess he got a little, but shit.  Man, he really had to do the web cam thing too...
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2005, 01:19:51 AM
Quote from: Voice of TruthCan we say, "needs help".  I guess he got a little, but shit.  Man, he really had to do the web cam thing too...

You see, this is EXACTLY the reason I don't have a webcam.  Jebus...I'd have women busting down my friggin' door.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2005, 01:27:35 AM
So, VoT, I guess this means you're here to stay?  :twisted:
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2005, 01:43:30 AM
I'll stop in from time to time, but I really like talking politics.  What can I say.  I also post on that other forum where I host the Porn Trivia Forum, remember?  It's not even that I don't WANT to politics with you guys, but there's just so fucking many of you.  That's what I used to always try and tell you.  When I occasionally went there it was like my one post and then when I came back there would be about four pages of stuff and I couldn't even try to respond to everything.  Utterly pointless.  I liked that some of you would come over to the Messiah from time to time and that way it didn't get out of hand.  I will say towards the end there it was mostly just me and Antyhero going back and forth all the time.  Anyway, I'll say hello now and then for a dose of the "other side" from time to time.

Man, my brother posts on this other political forum that I posted on for a while, but I really hate their format.  When you make a post it doesn't automatically go to the end.  It does the thing where you can reply to a post and it will post directly after theirs.  Basically when you get on there you can't just go to your last post and read everything after that.  You have to look up top at the little map thing and figure out where all the new posts were.  Sometimes there's four or five different things going within the one discussion, all seperate from one another.  It's too much to fuck with for my feeble mind so only post there every once in a while.

Maybe I'll revert back to sending nasty letters to my local newspaper.  I've been published three or four times, but I think my letters got too "right wing" for 'em and they couldn't make themselves post my stuff anymore.  Like my last ten got turned down so I stopped writing and around that time I registered on the Messiah and stopped caring.  I don't know why I'm rambling on here.  Maybe because this is the most I've typed in three days.  Boohoo... :cry:
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 13, 2005, 01:44:58 AM
Quote from: AnonymousI'll stop in from time to time, but I really like talking politics.  What can I say.  I also post on that other forum where I host the Porn Trivia Forum, remember?  It's not even that I don't WANT to politics with you guys, but there's just so fucking many of you.  That's what I used to always try and tell you.  When I occasionally went there it was like my one post and then when I came back there would be about four pages of stuff and I couldn't even try to respond to everything.  Utterly pointless.  I liked that some of you would come over to the Messiah from time to time and that way it didn't get out of hand.  I will say towards the end there it was mostly just me and Antyhero going back and forth all the time.  Anyway, I'll say hello now and then for a dose of the "other side" from time to time.

Man, my brother posts on this other political forum that I posted on for a while, but I really hate their format.  When you make a post it doesn't automatically go to the end.  It does the thing where you can reply to a post and it will post directly after theirs.  Basically when you get on there you can't just go to your last post and read everything after that.  You have to look up top at the little map thing and figure out where all the new posts were.  Sometimes there's four or five different things going within the one discussion, all seperate from one another.  It's too much to fuck with for my feeble mind so only post there every once in a while.

Maybe I'll revert back to sending nasty letters to my local newspaper.  I've been published three or four times, but I think my letters got too "right wing" for 'em and they couldn't make themselves post my stuff anymore.  Like my last ten got turned down so I stopped writing and around that time I registered on the Messiah and stopped caring.  I don't know why I'm rambling on here.  Maybe because this is the most I've typed in three days.  Boohoo... :cry:

You know who!
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2005, 01:45:12 AM
Quote from: AnonymousI'll stop in from time to time, but I really like talking politics.  

We talk politics here.  Go to apple talk, or Or Kill Me.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on May 13, 2005, 02:43:40 PM
That hacker dude sounds like someone we bastinadoed the other day for doing just that.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Cain on May 13, 2005, 06:15:45 PM
I just saw what they did, unfortunately its a fairly common method of attacking forums, using phpbb anyway.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 13, 2005, 10:22:59 PM
Yeah, whatever they did is continuing to infect new stuff too.  He made a new forum, but the posts are getting taken out by the virus or whatever it is too.  Dirty...

By the way, Scribe, your avatar is Teh Suck.  I just thought I'd mention that. 8)
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2005, 10:54:45 PM
Quote from: Voice of TruthYeah, whatever they did is continuing to infect new stuff too.  He made a new forum, but the posts are getting taken out by the virus or whatever it is too.  Dirty...

By the way, Scribe, your avatar is Teh Suck.  I just thought I'd mention that. 8)

Go down to or Kill Me, and read the revised history of FDR that I posted.

TGRR,
Knows that all the other historians lie like politicians.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 14, 2005, 12:19:32 AM
Funny you should mention FDR.  The History Channel did a big biography on him a few weeks ago.  Their theme or slogan or whatever for it was "He brought light to America by keeping us in the dark", basically referring to all the secrets he kept.  He had an ongoing affair and he didn't tell America he had polio, couldn't walk, or that he was dying during that final campaign.  He IS the quintessential Democrat.  I mean, whenver the Dems think of their shining moment it was his days of big gov't, SS, the new deal and all that jazz.  Anyway, it's just funny because the left loves him so much and he kept all kinds of secrets, but anytime Bush does a damn thing that he doesn't disclose he is "keeping secrets from the American public" or "Lying" or what the fuck ever.  Nice double standard.  Anyway...
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 14, 2005, 12:22:14 AM
Quote from: Voice of TruthFunny you should mention FDR.  The History Channel did a big biography on him a few weeks ago.  Their theme or slogan or whatever for it was "He brought light to America by keeping us in the dark", basically referring to all the secrets he kept.  He had an ongoing affair and he didn't tell America he had polio, couldn't walk, or that he was dying during that final campaign.  He IS the quintessential Democrat.  I mean, whenver the Dems think of their shining moment it was his days of big gov't, SS, the new deal and all that jazz.  Anyway, it's just funny because the left loves him so much and he kept all kinds of secrets, but anytime Bush does a damn thing that he doesn't disclose he is "keeping secrets from the American public" or "Lying" or what the fuck ever.  Nice double standard.  Anyway...

"I don't practice what I preach, because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."

It's all in the delivery, dude.

And the New Deal prevented a bolshevik revolution.  You should be glad his ass was around at the time.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 14, 2005, 12:28:37 AM
Sorry, the dude may have been a great war leader, but that's about it.  His New Deal didn't get us out of the depression, the war machine did.  All his gov't programs did was set the stage for the BIG gov't we have today, and even my party is starting to get all sucked in.  FDR's domestic agenda is still having horrible effects on our gov't and economy and probably will for decades to come.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 14, 2005, 12:43:41 AM
Quote from: Voice of TruthSorry, the dude may have been a great war leader, but that's about it.  His New Deal didn't get us out of the depression, the war machine did.  All his gov't programs did was set the stage for the BIG gov't we have today, and even my party is starting to get all sucked in.  FDR's domestic agenda is still having horrible effects on our gov't and economy and probably will for decades to come.

This is the incorrect answer.  Without the New Deal, money would not have begun flowing again.  The Great Depression wasn't just a big recession, it was a fundamental breakdown in the system.

Without the TVA, the WPA, etc, there was no way to jump start the economy, again.  In addition, we still have the benefits of both (Hydro dams and roads, for example).

As for the horrible affects, what do you mean?  Our current economic woes are the result of a frat boi running the country on credit.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 14, 2005, 01:04:11 AM
I'm not much feeling like getting into the inner workings of every program he created and I'll agree that the development of the parks department, dams creating lakes for recreation, etc was one of the cooler things that came out of the mess, but the point is, whether you want to admit it or not, hundreds of programs were created that were solely to create jobs.  Creating gov't programs to spur the economy is retarded when you consider you need tax dollars to pay those people anyway which have to come from somewhere in an economy that was already dead.  It just didn't make any sense.

That being said, you belittle your arguments with ignorant comments like this:

Quote from: TGRRAs for the horrible affects, what do you mean? Our current economic woes are the result of a frat boi running the country on credit.

He inherited a recession when he came into office in his first term and since the tax cuts the economy has continued to improve.  Home ownership is at an all time high.  Unemployment continues to decline and is currently at a rate lower than the average of the 90's and far better than most current western nations.  Productivity is at an all time high.  Come on, man.  I know you guys hate Bush/Republicans so the strategy is always "doom and gloom" for the duration of our reign of power to try and make people THINK their life is shitty even though they have a job and can't figure out what your talking about, but it ain't working.  The peak of ludicrous was Kerry's campaign trying to come up with their "new and improved" misery index making this economy look horrible because the ACTUAL misery index under the current economy was as good as it's been in decades.  Using that same index Kerry used the economy under Carter was one of the best we've had in ages. :roll:

And while I'm on the subject, do you want to explain to me this one.  We all invest in 401K's and IRA's because we ALL KNOW that investing in the stock market (even with extremely low risk stocks) guarantees a far greater return than any savings acct or otherwise (the average return is about 12%).  Yet somehow the Dems are persuading people to believe that having simply the OPTION to put some of their SS into private investment accts is BAD?  The OPTION?  Who are these people and how is it that lots of Americans can buy into that.  Boy let me see here: Option 1) leave it as is and watch it go bankrupt over time or at best guarantee about a 2% return on my investment or Option 2) invest it like I already INTELLIGENTLY invest my OWN money in mutual funds and other things and get a 10+% return.  Gee, which do I choose :?:

The fact that a majority of Americans are starting to side with the Dems on this one really makes me wonder about the intelligence of some people...
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: a.c. on May 14, 2005, 01:06:57 AM
VOT = OWNED

Just take your ball and go home, kid, you're Roger's bitch now. If he wants one, that is...

8)
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 14, 2005, 01:20:46 AM
Quote from: Voice of TruthI'm not much feeling like getting into the inner workings of every program he created and I'll agree that the development of the parks department, dams creating lakes for recreation, etc was one of the cooler things that came out of the mess, but the point is, whether you want to admit it or not, hundreds of programs were created that were solely to create jobs.  Creating gov't programs to spur the economy is retarded when you consider you need tax dollars to pay those people anyway which have to come from somewhere in an economy that was already dead.  It just didn't make any sense.

Of course it made sense.  It was a gamble, that the governments full faith & credit could pay for those jobs long enough to restart the economy.  Not too stupid, when the alternative was certain total meltdown.

Quote from: Voice of TruthThat being said, you belittle your arguments with ignorant comments like this:

Quote from: TGRRAs for the horrible affects, what do you mean? Our current economic woes are the result of a frat boi running the country on credit.
.

Yeah, I'm good like that.  You know how we do.

Quote from: Voice of TruthHe inherited a recession when he came into office in his first term and since the tax cuts the economy has continued to improve.  Home ownership is at an all time high.

he recession began 3.5 months after he took office.  A recession is defined as one complete quarter of negative growth.  Do the math.  As for the economy improving, how does that explain an 800 billion dollar deficit, this year alone, NOT counting the wars?


Quote from: Voice of TruthUnemployment continues to decline and is currently at a rate lower than the average of the 90's and far better than most current western nations.

Incorrect.  NET new jobs are down.  Bush has to create 1.8 million jobs, just to break even, NOT counting the new people entering the workforce.  And most of the new jobs that are out there are retail.  Great replacement for the quality jobs that Bush's buddies are outsourcing to Malaysia.  The CEOs responsible should be stripped of their citizenship.


 
Quote from: Voice of TruthAnd while I'm on the subject, do you want to explain to me this one.  We all invest in 401K's and IRA's because we ALL KNOW that investing in the stock market (even with extremely low risk stocks) guarantees a far greater return than any savings acct or otherwise (the average return is about 12%).  Yet somehow the Dems are persuading people to believe that having simply the OPTION to put some of their SS into private investment accts is BAD?  The OPTION?.

Because that option will bankrupt the system, and lead to your granny starving.  Tell you what, get Bush to stop raiding SS for your tax cut ($1.8 trillion, over 10 years he's stolen, so far, in his tax plan alone. ), and when the dust settles, we'll look at reform.

 
Quote from: Voice of TruthThe fact that a majority of Americans are starting to side with the Dems on this one really makes me wonder about the intelligence of some people...

If everyone around you looks stupid, there are TWO possible explainations:

1.  They really are stupid.

2.  Rush lied to you.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: damage control on May 14, 2005, 02:30:46 AM
Quote from: Voice of TruthWell someone hacked into the Internet Messiah forum a couple days ago and killed it.

Book burners? Again. I've thought about the solution to these types of
problems but I am just one mind in a sea of memetic programming.

I offered some solutions, but intelligence as the ultimate panacea is not
catching on.

Then someone cuts off someone's head, crashes a forum, digest a child, kind of depressing stuff but I'm leaning towards a realist school of thought.

But? Albinoblacksheep is still kicking along and many other creative displays of something not burned yet, although ABS comes up from other mentions here and an all inclusive list would take a gracious amount of bandwidth.

Now I'd like to leave you with something to humour you, but I'm having troubles accessing that grid at this moment.

Anger managment is the pathway to porcelian and mirrors that reflect and provide something for those unable to see their reflection something to think about, unless they are confused and attack the mirror. It happens.

Oh and hello we haven't met but there was a recent rash of nameswitch although It may have only been a slight irritation more than a rash. So then again who knows? I don't claim to, just saying what I wanted to say.

- damage control
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Chaplin_Sinatra_Fonzarell on May 14, 2005, 02:41:01 AM
Quote from: Voice of TruthI just wish you computer geeks out there (whoever you are) would find something better to do with your time than fuck it up for everyone else when they're having a good time.

To paraphrase Turd, I wish a Sweedish bikini team would parachute from an air force helicopter and give me a blowjob.

But I agree, that's lame, and hackers should use their powers for good, like by fnording Yahoo and posting pictures of mutilated Iraqis on the U.S. army recruitment site, not making Windows XP an even more miserable experience to use than it already is. (If that's possible)

As for the Something Awful hacker guy, he got greedy with the webcam, if you ask me.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 14, 2005, 02:43:20 AM
Quote from: Chaplin_Sinatra_Fonzarell
Quote from: Voice of TruthI just wish you computer geeks out there (whoever you are) would find something better to do with your time than fuck it up for everyone else when they're having a good time.

To paraphrase Turd, I wish a Sweedish bikini team would parachute from an air force helicopter and give me a blowjob.

But I agree, that's lame, and hackers should use their powers for good, like by fnording Yahoo and posting pictures of mutilated Iraqis on the U.S. army recruitment site, not making Windows XP an even more miserable experience to use than it already is. (If that's possible)

As for the Something Awful hacker guy, he got greedy with the webcam, if you ask me.

Anyone who writes a virus or a worm should be sold into bondage in San Francisco, as well.

My XP reboots every 10 minutes.  That's a MAJOR pain in the ass.

It's not blaster or sasser, and I cannot find the fucking problem.

Fuck these people.  Exterminate the brutes.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on May 14, 2005, 03:03:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Chaplin_Sinatra_Fonzarell
Quote from: Voice of TruthI just wish you computer geeks out there (whoever you are) would find something better to do with your time than fuck it up for everyone else when they're having a good time.

To paraphrase Turd, I wish a Sweedish bikini team would parachute from an air force helicopter and give me a blowjob.

But I agree, that's lame, and hackers should use their powers for good, like by fnording Yahoo and posting pictures of mutilated Iraqis on the U.S. army recruitment site, not making Windows XP an even more miserable experience to use than it already is. (If that's possible)

As for the Something Awful hacker guy, he got greedy with the webcam, if you ask me.

Anyone who writes a virus or a worm should be sold into bondage in San Francisco, as well.

My XP reboots every 10 minutes.  That's a MAJOR pain in the ass.

It's not blaster or sasser, and I cannot find the fucking problem.

Fuck these people.  Exterminate the brutes.
Key loggers are just creepy, I don't care who puts them in or why.  

Roger, are you getting any kind of error message or warning?  Or does it just reboot for no apparent reason?
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Chaplin_Sinatra_Fonzarell on May 14, 2005, 03:04:33 AM
Why don't we just force them to use their evil powers for good, like by crashing government computers?
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 14, 2005, 03:15:26 AM
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Chaplin_Sinatra_Fonzarell
Quote from: Voice of TruthI just wish you computer geeks out there (whoever you are) would find something better to do with your time than fuck it up for everyone else when they're having a good time.

To paraphrase Turd, I wish a Sweedish bikini team would parachute from an air force helicopter and give me a blowjob.

But I agree, that's lame, and hackers should use their powers for good, like by fnording Yahoo and posting pictures of mutilated Iraqis on the U.S. army recruitment site, not making Windows XP an even more miserable experience to use than it already is. (If that's possible)

As for the Something Awful hacker guy, he got greedy with the webcam, if you ask me.

Anyone who writes a virus or a worm should be sold into bondage in San Francisco, as well.

My XP reboots every 10 minutes.  That's a MAJOR pain in the ass.

It's not blaster or sasser, and I cannot find the fucking problem.

Fuck these people.  Exterminate the brutes.
Key loggers are just creepy, I don't care who puts them in or why.  

Roger, are you getting any kind of error message or warning?  Or does it just reboot for no apparent reason?

Half the time it calls a comcast driver error, but half the time it calls nothing, or "cause unknown".
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on May 14, 2005, 04:12:12 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerHalf the time it calls a comcast driver error, but half the time it calls nothing, or "cause unknown".
It sounds like a flakey XP thing.  Which ever driver you get an error for, reinstall that driver.

Did you install or uninstall anything around the time this started?
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 14, 2005, 04:14:29 AM
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerHalf the time it calls a comcast driver error, but half the time it calls nothing, or "cause unknown".
It sounds like a flakey XP thing.  Which ever driver you get an error for, reinstall that driver.

Did you install or uninstall anything around the time this started?

Nope.  Reinstalled, though, but I think I forgot to deinstall first.  :oops:

I'll look at the fucking thing tomorrow.  Eric just showed up, so I'm outta here.

TGRR,
Won't put up with that, even in Roger Classic mode.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on May 14, 2005, 04:30:11 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerHalf the time it calls a comcast driver error, but half the time it calls nothing, or "cause unknown".
It sounds like a flakey XP thing.  Which ever driver you get an error for, reinstall that driver.

Did you install or uninstall anything around the time this started?

Nope.  Reinstalled, though, but I think I forgot to deinstall first.  :oops:

I'll look at the fucking thing tomorrow.  Eric just showed up, so I'm outta here.

TGRR,
Won't put up with that, even in Roger Classic mode.
OK, uninstall, reinstall, but be sure to back up anything before hand, depending on what program you reinstalled :?   If you have any questions or if that doesn't help, let me know.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Cain on May 14, 2005, 08:43:19 AM
Quote from: Chaplin_Sinatra_FonzarellWhy don't we just force them to use their evil powers for good, like by crashing government computers?

Some do, but the problem is, if they are that good, the Government wants their expertise.  According to a book I was reading on Information Warfare, alot of Governmental computers are relatively unguarded, but since 99.9% of computers are totally unguarded in that respect, it doesn't say much.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: saint aini on May 14, 2005, 12:15:06 PM
Ha ha, only serious, chap.  You can't force hackers to hack a target.  That would be like telling discordians to go moon a bush.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Ghost In The Machine on May 14, 2005, 04:04:15 PM
Quote from: calamity ainiHa ha, only serious, chap.  You can't force hackers to hack a target.  That would be like telling discordians to go moon a bush.

No, but you can say "Oh, that site is unbreakable".  

They'll be on it in minutes.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Bob the Mediocre on May 15, 2005, 03:55:35 AM
Quote from: Voice of TruthSorry, the dude may have been a great war leader, but that's about it.  His New Deal didn't get us out of the depression, the war machine did.  All his gov't programs did was set the stage for the BIG gov't we have today, and even my party is starting to get all sucked in.  FDR's domestic agenda is still having horrible effects on our gov't and economy and probably will for decades to come.

I think the idea that "Reagan proved deficits don't matter" is what's causing most of the horrible effects you speak of.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 15, 2005, 05:45:47 AM
Quote from: Altoid Addict
Quote from: Voice of TruthSorry, the dude may have been a great war leader, but that's about it.  His New Deal didn't get us out of the depression, the war machine did.  All his gov't programs did was set the stage for the BIG gov't we have today, and even my party is starting to get all sucked in.  FDR's domestic agenda is still having horrible effects on our gov't and economy and probably will for decades to come.

I think the idea that "Reagan proved deficits don't matter" is what's causing most of the horrible effects you speak of.

(http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/icons/froggy.gif)
Title: holy handgranate of antioch
Post by: fariel on May 16, 2005, 04:52:21 AM
the virus u have is called w32.sober.p ( i think)
if u like to damn the evil stuff on your computer.....
use this....

www.antivir.de

best firewall is zonelabs (zonealarm) http://www.zonelabs.com

hope that helps =)

Fariel aka the knight of ni
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: nurbldoff on May 16, 2005, 06:02:33 PM
There's also the option of ditching the stupid OS completely and go for something like linux... I would say "I did", but that would be a lie since I never started using windows in the first place.

Guess I'm branding myself as a total nerd now, but what do I care.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2005, 12:00:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerOf course it made sense.  It was a gamble, that the governments full faith & credit could pay for those jobs long enough to restart the economy.  Not too stupid, when the alternative was certain total meltdown.

It didn't work.  Read the history books.  It was a gamble that failed for the very reasons I mentioned.  It was the war machine that got us out of the Great Depression.  Didn't I already say that?


Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerThe recession began 3.5 months after he took office.  A recession is defined as one complete quarter of negative growth.  Do the math.  As for the economy improving, how does that explain an 800 billion dollar deficit, this year alone, NOT counting the wars?

If you're going to tell me that the first quarter of business when Bush took office was somehow his fault then you must think Bush is one powerful motherfucker.  For starters, take an economy class and come back.  The President and/or Congress has little power over the economy, and certainly cannot stop a recession.  There are only two things they can do that have real affects on an economy; change tax rates or change interest rates.  Tax cuts ALWAYS improve an economy BUT should be done in collabaration with cuts in gov't spending, but thanks to FDR's New Deal our gov't doesn't know how to do that shit anymore.  I've said it before and I'll say it again, one area I AM displeased with Bush is his lack of cuts in spending.  The war is something I support and doesn't bother me, but there are a million areas where cuts could do a lot of good.  Don't get me started.  Here's a link:

http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_pigbook2005&JServSessionIdr003=tmpl5oud92.app27a


Regardless, I'm struggling to figure out how any rational thinking person with knowledge of economics can blame the recession on Bush considering it DID START before he took office.  EVERY ECONOMIST will tell you that.  Even Paul Krugman's dumbass.


Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerIncorrect.  NET new jobs are down.  Bush has to create 1.8 million jobs, just to break even, NOT counting the new people entering the workforce.  And most of the new jobs that are out there are retail.  Great replacement for the quality jobs that Bush's buddies are outsourcing to Malaysia.  The CEOs responsible should be stripped of their citizenship.

Well for starters your 1.8 million job number is over a year old.  Check the news for a change.  I'll agree that some jobs are not as good, but some are better.  For instance there is a HUGE need for people in the medical field because doctors and nursing are leaving the business due to skyrocketing malpractice insurance premiums no thanks to the liberals' best friends, John Edwards and the trial lawyers.  Lastly, I know I've said this before as well, but again, NO POLITICIAN or POLICY will stop the flow of manufacturing jobs from America.  It's a fact of life.  Just like we went through an Industrial Revolution over 100 years ago and farmers had to realize the hard way that they weren't going to be able to make a living farming anymore and it was time to move the city, people working in the manufacturing industry are having to realize the hard way that we are becoming a service industry nation.  They need to do the tough task of getting new job skills and then new jobs.  We also need to help them.  The gov't helping citizens retrain for new jobs is the type of social program I can support.  And so there you go.  Even John Kerry and the other Dems will tell you there is nothing that can be done to stop the flow of manufacturing jobs out of this country so to bring it up and ESPECIALLY to blame it on Bush is just propaganda; plain and simple.


Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerBecause that option will bankrupt the system, and lead to your granny starving.  Tell you what, get Bush to stop raiding SS for your tax cut ($1.8 trillion, over 10 years he's stolen, so far, in his tax plan alone. ), and when the dust settles, we'll look at reform.

Those tax cuts did not effect SS.  SS already was a sham.  It was setup as a SUPPLEMENT and has become something many Americans think of as a "pension" when it simply is not.  It is now run more like a welfare program.  While the transition to the new private accounts is something that must be delicately and I'm not a supporter of borrowing all the funds to do it, I still will ask again, HOW CAN ANYONE THINK SS IS BETTER THAN A PRIVATE INVESTMENT ACCOUNT.  If you have $5000 will you invest it in a) stocks and bonds or b) a savings acct?

Well if you answered "b" you make a good Democratic; you're an idiot.  If you intelligently said "a", then you get my point.  SS needs to be fixed so why not do the OBVIOUSLY more intelligent thing and put our funds in something that will produce better than 2% interest over time.  Wake up people... :?
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 18, 2005, 12:01:29 AM
Guess who that was?  I swear if I take too long to post I'm logged back out or something.  Gay... :?
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 18, 2005, 12:50:02 AM
uh oh...in the midst of all your whacko right-wing nuttiness, you made a couple of very valid points.

Roger's not gonna like that.

tell me though...being as you live in a state that has certainly felt its fair share of effects from environmental degradation, what do you think of Bush's attempts to completely destroy the national forests, allow mercury to stop being considered a hazardous chemical emission, and lower the standards for coal-burning power plant emissions?

cuz I don't see how ANYONE can get behind that agenda unless they own Weyerhauser.

8)
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: LMNO on May 18, 2005, 01:55:52 PM
1.  Bush may not have started the recession, but he sure didn't help things.
2.  FDR spent money to try and help the average citizen.  Bush spent money to blow shit up.
3.  Stocks are better than savings?  Tell that to the people who lost their life savings when the bubble burst in the 90s.
4.  What's wrong with welfare?  and please, no Rush "welfare moms who get pregnant to abuse the system", or I'll pull out Al Franken.  An no one wants that.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on May 18, 2005, 06:55:52 PM
Perhaps we could just dissolve the filthy thing.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2005, 08:20:09 PM
Quote from: LMNO1.  Bush may not have started the recession, but he sure didn't help things.
2.  FDR spent money to try and help the average citizen.  Bush spent money to blow shit up.
3.  Stocks are better than savings?  Tell that to the people who lost their life savings when the bubble burst in the 90s.
4.  What's wrong with welfare?  and please, no Rush "welfare moms who get pregnant to abuse the system", or I'll pull out Al Franken.  An no one wants that.

1) and 2), yeah whatever.  Respectfully disagree.

3) Never base the performance of investments on a short term development.  If you invest WELL, i.e. DIVERSIFY, you won't suffer a great deal during any economic downturn.  Most of the people you refer to heavily invested in .com's and suffered from their overinflated stock prices when the bubble burst.  Over the long term a well diversified mixed investment will yield on average about 10%.  That's a fact, whether you care to believe it or not.  Others you may be referring to are those who worked at Enron because they were locked into their investments (which is illegal and unethical IMO).  They got fucked in the ass.  No doubt about that.  That being the case, don't base whether or not investing in the stock market is good on an extreme event like that.

4) VoT doesn't have a problem with welfar per say.  I simply want it to be limited and have built in requirements, i.e. it should be a program to help people get back on their feet with a maximum amount of time any one individual can draw off the system.  There's other mechanisms out there for those with disabilities, illnesses, etc, but for any perfectly healthy person who CAN work, I cannot support allowing them to be on welfare indefinitely.  That being said, everyone has times that are bad and I don't mind the gov't helping people out in these extreme times of trouble.  I'm not a big fan of welfare, but I can accept it as a necessary evil so long as it is regulated properly.  Before the Republican Congress shoved welfare reform down Clinton's throat (although he still takes credit for signing it into legislation :roll: ) people WOULD do as Rush said and stay on welfare indefinitely.  Welfare reform was highly successful and continues to be considered a good move by most experts today.  It could probably stand for another round of reform, but no I don't have a problem with welfare outright.  This still doesn't change the fact that FDR's New Deal was the turning point at which the federal gov't changed its stance from making this the "land of opportunity" to the "land where the gov't will make your life peachy!"
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 18, 2005, 08:21:25 PM
Does anyone want to tell me why I can be totally logged in with "Log out [VoT]" up top as an option and yet I make my post and it comes up as guest.  Fuckin' shit... :?
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: LMNO on May 18, 2005, 08:24:05 PM
3) The point being, if so many people who thought they knew what they were doing in the stock market got fucked when the bubble burst, imagine what would happen when millions of americans who know little to nothing about the stock market do the same damn thing with their retirement.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: LMNO on May 18, 2005, 08:25:09 PM
Quote from: Voice of TruthDoes anyone want to tell me why I can be totally logged in with "Log out [VoT]" up top as an option and yet I make my post and it comes up as guest.  Fuckin' shit... :?

...Because you're not an admitted Discordian.

The board knows, man.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Cain on May 18, 2005, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: Voice of TruthDoes anyone want to tell me why I can be totally logged in with "Log out [VoT]" up top as an option and yet I make my post and it comes up as guest.  Fuckin' shit... :?

Its the Man, keeping you down....
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 18, 2005, 08:40:53 PM
Quote from: T'ai Kunguh oh...in the midst of all your whacko right-wing nuttiness, you made a couple of very valid points.

Roger's not gonna like that.

tell me though...being as you live in a state that has certainly felt its fair share of effects from environmental degradation, what do you think of Bush's attempts to completely destroy the national forests, allow mercury to stop being considered a hazardous chemical emission, and lower the standards for coal-burning power plant emissions?

cuz I don't see how ANYONE can get behind that agenda unless they own Weyerhauser.

8)
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 18, 2005, 11:07:00 PM
Quote from: LMNO3) The point being, if so many people who thought they knew what they were doing in the stock market got fucked when the bubble burst, imagine what would happen when millions of americans who know little to nothing about the stock market do the same damn thing with their retirement.

That's why part of the plan for the accounts is restrictions on what you can invest in.  For instance, you can't invest all your funds in one company's stock.  It will have to be a mix of stocks and bonds.  There are plans like this in various states for their state employees and over and over again they all say they love it.  The Congress has this kind of plan.  Anyone with any intelligence investing for their retirement uses 401K's and IRA's.  Mixed funds keep that shit from happening.  Yes, at any given moment a downturn can hurt your investments, but if you are investing for 30+ years as we would be your return will ALWAYS be better than anything SS can dish out.  The thing is, I know you know their better.  I bet if you're investing for your retirement you're not doing it in a damn savings acct.  Why can't we just all admit it's a good idea?  I actually know the answer to this:

Because it "Bush's idea". :roll:
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 18, 2005, 11:36:38 PM
Quote from: T'ai Kung
Quote from: T'ai Kunguh oh...in the midst of all your whacko right-wing nuttiness, you made a couple of very valid points.

Roger's not gonna like that.

tell me though...being as you live in a state that has certainly felt its fair share of effects from environmental degradation, what do you think of Bush's attempts to completely destroy the national forests, allow mercury to stop being considered a hazardous chemical emission, and lower the standards for coal-burning power plant emissions?

cuz I don't see how ANYONE can get behind that agenda unless they own Weyerhauser.

8)

I sense someone ducking my question...

BTW, you're probably right about privatizing SS accounts, but that only matters if SS still exists when we're old enough to need it.

8)
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 19, 2005, 12:03:27 AM
I'm an environmental moderate.  The coal-burning emissions plan was murky at best.  I've seen stats from both sides that show reductions vs. increases.  Seriously.  In general I love the outdoors.  I hunt, fish, camp, backpack, travel, etc.  I support common sense environmental policy which I feel the left does not.  I also feel there are those in my party who have a Rush Limbaugh mentality of fuck it.  It's here for our use.  End of story.  That's not right either.  I support selective logging not because I feel that IT will end forest fires, BUT because, IF we want to clear out the brush, this is a common sense way to do it.  The idea of clearing out undergrowth and the fuel for forest fires and not logging is ridiculous.  That basically is saying "let's do a garbage cleanup of ALL forests".  Who exactly is going to do that and who will pay for it.  By allowing selective logging and replantation we can reduce forest fires while not costing trillions of tax dollars.  Replantation DOES work.  Forest fires are natures way of taking care of herself anyway so new growth can happen.  Logging isn't much different.

I also support drilling in ANWAR so long as it is a VERY SMALL percentage as stated (currently less than one tenth of one percent).  Alaskans, who actually live there and WILL use it if anyone, support drilling AND we need more oil.  The area where it is intended is a frozen tundra with no real life there anyway, so common sense says "let's drill".

I like conservation, but I don't feel like we have to stop the development of some town or business because of damage to some bug that may become extinct or useless plant.  On the other hand, I don't want to kill a species of fish due to river pollution or something either.  On the environment I honestly don't know that either party will get it right, but I AM pro-business so I feel the Rep's are closer to what I can accept.

I'll also add I flatly reject "global-warming".  Greenpeace and the Sierra Club suck.  PETA are a bunch of terrorists.  Blatant disregard for the environment is crap as well.  Touchy subject.

VoT (since this will probably say guest)
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 19, 2005, 07:04:51 PM
we're not far off here. I support controlled logging, though I think old-growth should be left alone, and I don't think we should be building more roads into the national forests. My lack of support for drilling in ANWR has more to do with my opinion that it's not cost-effective than anything else. It'll take 8 years or more to come fully on-line, and at best will supply less than 10% of our oil needs for 20 years. But I'm not really opposed to it, I just haven't been convinced that it's necessary. I'm quite the little Hitler when it comes to coal plant emissions and mercury emissions. In Maine, we get the jet stream from the rust belt of America and also from the industrial areas of Ontario and Quebec that drop a shitload of pollutants in our previously pristine lakes and rivers. We have some of the worst air pollution in the country and we create NONE of it. I think America needs to get over it's irrational fear of the atom and start replacing all coal and oil burning power plants with nuclear power plants. I like to be able to eat the fish I catch, and swim in the lakes I go camping on.

8)

edit: and I think global warming definitely exists, but to say it's our fault and not just part of the natural cycle of climatological shifts is a stunning display of hubris.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2005, 10:21:49 PM
Quote from: T'ai Kungwe're not far off here. I support controlled logging, though I think old-growth should be left alone, and I don't think we should be building more roads into the national forests.


...and I think global warming definitely exists, but to say it's our fault and not just part of the natural cycle of climatological shifts is a stunning display of hubris.

That was pretty funny you mentioned the old-growth forests.  I almost said the same thing, but keep in mind these are some of the areas that need attention the most IF we really want to think about stopping forest fires.  But yeah, they're fucking awesome and I hate the idea of taking them out.  It poses a dilemma; that's for sure.  I'd probably side on tax breaks for companies willing to clean out the under brush without logging the old trees or something.

As for ANWAR, a couple things; one, it definitely will be profitable or the oil companies wouldn't do it anyway.  I honestly don't give those numbers about how much is there much creedence because the original numbers for almost every oil reserve that is ever found are usually way off.  If the predictions about the amount of oil where there already is drilling were correct before we built the pipeline we'd have been dry a long time ago.  As it is, we're still pumping oil out of there so go figure.

And on the global warming I just look at it like this.  Meteorologists and scientists can't even get the weather in three or four days correct.  They say things like "The overall temperature of the globe is warming at a rate higher than ever before since data on temperatures has been recorded.  Wow, what's that, about 100+ years.  Considering this planet is something like 600 million years old that doesn't really impress me very much.  Furthermore about 10,000 years ago there was an ice age and most of the U.S. was frozen.  Did "global warming" cause the glaciers to melt?  I think not.  Is it POSSIBLE that human energy consumptoin and related emissions are causing a slight rise in temperature.  Hell, maybe.  Do I believe that science in ANY way can prove global warming.  Not a chance in hell.  They don't know shit from strawberries when it comes to the science of this planet.  We only figured out it was round about 500 years ago.  That's about the way I see it.

This all being said, it's good to see another common sense environmentalist.  Welcome to the club, even if you do appear to be a communist?  Is that what's up with the hammer anc sicle?
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 19, 2005, 10:22:22 PM
Quote from: Anonymous
Quote from: T'ai Kungwe're not far off here. I support controlled logging, though I think old-growth should be left alone, and I don't think we should be building more roads into the national forests.


...and I think global warming definitely exists, but to say it's our fault and not just part of the natural cycle of climatological shifts is a stunning display of hubris.

That was pretty funny you mentioned the old-growth forests.  I almost said the same thing, but keep in mind these are some of the areas that need attention the most IF we really want to think about stopping forest fires.  But yeah, they're fucking awesome and I hate the idea of taking them out.  It poses a dilemma; that's for sure.  I'd probably side on tax breaks for companies willing to clean out the under brush without logging the old trees or something.

As for ANWAR, a couple things; one, it definitely will be profitable or the oil companies wouldn't do it anyway.  I honestly don't give those numbers about how much is there much creedence because the original numbers for almost every oil reserve that is ever found are usually way off.  If the predictions about the amount of oil where there already is drilling were correct before we built the pipeline we'd have been dry a long time ago.  As it is, we're still pumping oil out of there so go figure.

And on the global warming I just look at it like this.  Meteorologists and scientists can't even get the weather in three or four days correct.  They say things like "The overall temperature of the globe is warming at a rate higher than ever before since data on temperatures has been recorded.  Wow, what's that, about 100+ years.  Considering this planet is something like 600 million years old that doesn't really impress me very much.  Furthermore about 10,000 years ago there was an ice age and most of the U.S. was frozen.  Did "global warming" cause the glaciers to melt?  I think not.  Is it POSSIBLE that human energy consumptoin and related emissions are causing a slight rise in temperature.  Hell, maybe.  Do I believe that science in ANY way can prove global warming.  Not a chance in hell.  They don't know shit from strawberries when it comes to the science of this planet.  We only figured out it was round about 500 years ago.  That's about the way I see it.

This all being said, it's good to see another common sense environmentalist.  Welcome to the club, even if you do appear to be a communist?  Is that what's up with the hammer anc sicle?

Yours truly.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Bob the Mediocre on May 19, 2005, 11:16:08 PM
You didn't notice that NSRA stands for New Soviet Republican Army then?


All your country are belong to us
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 19, 2005, 11:19:56 PM
nah, not so much a communist as I have a Soviet fetish.

I own a small business. I'm definitely a greedy capitalist. I won't identify myself as a Libertarian because they're basically all kooks, but I do share their Socially Liberal/Fiscally Conservative dichotomy.

8)
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Voice of Truth on May 19, 2005, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: Altoid AddictYou didn't notice that NSRA stands for New Soviet Republican Army then?


All your country are belong to us


I don't usually read the auto-sigs, but even had I, I doubt I would've figured that one out.

And Libertarians get it right every once in a while, but yes, they want a little bit too little gov't.  If they were in charge it'd be anarchy around these parts.
Title: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2005, 12:28:17 AM
Quote from: Voice of TruthVoT wishes to clarify.  I know no one here did it.  Or at least I'm just assuming.  You guys are alright in my book, even if we'll never agree on geo-political theories, will we?  Anyway, that note to computer geeks was just me talking to them wherever they are; not anyone here.  (Unless someone out there that did it is reading this, in which case you need to burn in hell and whatever the bastinado is too!) :evil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastinado
Title: Re: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: saint aini on January 27, 2008, 03:31:57 AM
Quote from: Anonymous on June 02, 2005, 12:28:17 AM
Quote from: Voice of TruthVoT wishes to clarify.  I know no one here did it.  Or at least I'm just assuming.  You guys are alright in my book, even if we'll never agree on geo-political theories, will we?  Anyway, that note to computer geeks was just me talking to them wherever they are; not anyone here.  (Unless someone out there that did it is reading this, in which case you need to burn in hell and whatever the bastinado is too!) :evil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastinado
bump...

bastinados are fun.
Title: Re: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Bharlion on January 31, 2008, 06:11:18 AM
I want to let who ever posted that know that I had to pay three hundred dollars an hour to have that done to me and NOW someone tells me it was punishment? Where is my time machine when I need it. Next thing you will tell me that there is a kinky sex punishment somewhere.
Title: Re: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: saint aini on February 03, 2008, 05:30:05 AM
Just pay my way and expenses and tip well and you'll have me beating your feet for days.
Title: Re: Dirty Hackers can burn in Hell!!
Post by: Bharlion on February 03, 2008, 10:09:23 AM
I also require you to wear a mickey rooney mask on the back of your head and wear nitrile gloves. Also, you cannot speak while you do it.