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Started by Da6s, August 14, 2014, 07:09:14 AM

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Trivial

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28832462

QuoteGovernor Jay Nixon signed an order to "help restore peace and order and to protect the citizens of Ferguson".

The decision was made as police clashed with angry crowds shortly before a second night under curfew began.

Police in Ferguson, a suburb of St Louis, said they came under attack and had "no alternative" but to respond.

Cpt Ron Johnson said protesters had thrown Molotov cocktails and bottles at security forces, and set up barricades before the five-hour curfew began at midnight (05:00 GMT).

"For those who would claim that the curfew was what led to [the] violence, I will remind you this incident began three and a half hours before the curfew was to have started," he told journalists in Ferguson on Monday.

QuoteA preliminary autopsy by the St Louis County Medical Examiner's office on the day after Mr Brown's death found he had been shot, police said, without disclosing how many times.

But a preliminary private autopsy report found that he had been shot at least six times, including twice in the head, the New York Times reports.

US Attorney General Eric Holder has ordered a federal post-mortem on the body of the 18-year-old, to take place "as soon as possible".

The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range due to the lack of gunpowder on the victim's body, forensic pathologist Michael Baden was quoted by the paper as saying.

Releasing details like that and then trying to impose a curfew is idiocy at best. Police presence and actions here have almost certainty escalated the situation. The sole purpose of a curfew here is to give a solid reason for anyone to be arrested for being outside.

I could make a shitty comment about the land of the free having a midnight curfew,but it's self evident.

What is also becoming increasingly obvious is which residents are benefiting from this increased protection. I've not seen them, but I bet the lines of police/guard deployment are shockingly similar to that demographic map.
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Junkenstein

Quote from: Trivial on August 18, 2014, 04:01:40 AM
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=1&referrer

There's something very strange going on here. Eyewitness accounts (Notorious for being bullshit/useless) drastically contradict what the released autopsy indicates. However that autopsy is kind of flawed as it's missing key information including 3 bullets that have magically vanished. The initial autopsy results are still apparently unknown and a third to be done because no-one trusts these first two, despite not even knowing what one of them says.

I would usually just discount the eyewitness evidence but when it's this divergent I can't help but suspect that shady shit is afoot. There's certain enough people involved with means, motive and opportunity to interfere and I would be inclined to assume such things are occurring.

It seems worth noting that the reaction continues along the same expected lines you can guess at from previous similar events. At some point someone might just realise that maybe this isn't the best way to handle shit like this. 
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The Johnny

Quote from: Junkenstein on August 18, 2014, 08:25:50 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28832462

Quote

"For those who would claim that the curfew was what led to [the] violence, I will remind you this incident began three and a half hours before the curfew was to have started," he told journalists in Ferguson on Monday.

A primates sense of causality in this one - just because something that was stated to be taken into action in the near future hasnt happened yet, doest exclude it from being the causality.
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It's almost as if they didn't learn anything from when they stood down, took off their military gear, and had the highway patrol treat the protesters like human beings.

There's now even a slimmer probability of things ending even reasonably well.

The Good Reverend Roger

It's like calling the police because you're being mugged, and they show up and beat you harder and then THEY take your wallet.

Not turning into a losertarian here, but someone remind me why we keep any of these shits around?
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Junkenstein

Perhaps the counter-protests will help calm it all down:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/18/ferguson-supporters-police-killed-teenager-protest

Quotebout 150 people gathered for an afternoon demonstration in downtown St Louis, 12 miles southeast of Ferguson, where Michael Brown, 18, was shot repeatedly by Darren Wilson last Saturday afternoon. Some wielded placards with messages defending the 28-year-old officer and his family.

"He was doing his job," said Kaycee Reinisch, 57, of Lincoln County, Missouri. "And now because of public uproar in Ferguson, he is being victimised. He is being victimised by the whole city, the state and the federal government." Reinisch said she had relations in law enforcement who would be "frightened to do their jobs" if Wilson were punished for the incident.

Quote"We will be the example of what peaceful means," the organisers told attendees in an online message beforehand. "No offensive signs, we are for support," they said. "If the other side should show, we will not argue or fight."

The demonstration was initially silent. Eventually the protesters – many wearing blue in a mark of support for the police – began cheering as passing cars honked their horns in agreement. One man riding a Harley-Davidson revved his engine loudly to generous applause.

While the crowds protesting in Ferguson have been predominantly African American, all but one of the demonstrators showing their support for Wilson were white. A stack of dark blue t-shirts, onsale for $7 and bearing a police-style badge stating: "Officer Darren Wilson – I stand by you", quickly sold out.

QuoteMany group members have made postings casting doubt on the version of events offered by people who claim to have witnessed the shooting, while others attempted to explain why Wilson might have shot Brown.

"An officer doesn't have xray vision," wrote Jennifer Hall, of Robertsville, Missouri. "He can't tell if you have weapon or not until searched. So you act in a suspicious manner, we know what the consequences are."

QuoteRobin Barklage, who said he once lived in one of the apartment buildings overlooking the site of Brown's shooting, said he believed police claims that Brown assaulted Wilson. "I believe he did what he had to do," said Barklage. "No officer is going to go further then they need to".

In summary -

White people find no problems with racism
Police need to be able to kill people to be able to do their job.
You should be totally deferential to police because otherwise they're AOK to just shoot you.
No police officers ever get out of line.

Nothing suspicious about all that, I'm sure.
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Da6s



Bullet wounds from the Federal first autopsy. Federal is scheduled later today or tomorrow apparently.
We appear to be doomed by our DNA to repeat the same destructive behaviors our forebears have repeated for millenia. If anything our problem solving skills have actually diminished with the advent of technology & our ubiquitous modern conveniences. & yet despite our predisposition towards fear-driven hostility; towards what we anachronistically term primitive behavior another instinct is just as firmly encoded in our make-up. We are capable as our ancestors were of incredible breathtaking acts of kindness. Every hour of every day a man risks his life at a moments notice to save another. Forget for a moment the belligerent benevolent billionaires who grant the unfortunate a crumb of costfree cake. I speak of pure acts of selflessness. A Mother who rushes into the street to save a child from a speeding vehicle. A person who runs into a burning building to reach a family trapped on the upper story. Such actions,such moments,such unconscious selfless decisions,define what it is to be human

P3nT4gR4m

Pretty sure the federal autopsy didn't put the text on there. If it could only happen with arms up then how come you can see it on an anatomically accurate diagram?

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Da6s

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 18, 2014, 02:48:34 PM
Pretty sure the federal autopsy didn't put the text on there. If it could only happen with arms up then how come you can see it on an anatomically accurate diagram?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/17/michael-brown-autopsy_n_5686672.html Has original image without the added text, including statements that autopsy confirms witness description of events/victim had hands raised when shot.

Also, three head/two face shots is beyond excessive.
We appear to be doomed by our DNA to repeat the same destructive behaviors our forebears have repeated for millenia. If anything our problem solving skills have actually diminished with the advent of technology & our ubiquitous modern conveniences. & yet despite our predisposition towards fear-driven hostility; towards what we anachronistically term primitive behavior another instinct is just as firmly encoded in our make-up. We are capable as our ancestors were of incredible breathtaking acts of kindness. Every hour of every day a man risks his life at a moments notice to save another. Forget for a moment the belligerent benevolent billionaires who grant the unfortunate a crumb of costfree cake. I speak of pure acts of selflessness. A Mother who rushes into the street to save a child from a speeding vehicle. A person who runs into a burning building to reach a family trapped on the upper story. Such actions,such moments,such unconscious selfless decisions,define what it is to be human

Da6s

Agitators/Looters/Douchebags are apparently Commies:

http://themissouritorch.com/blog/2014/08/17/meet-greg-joey-johnson-an-opportunistic-communist-revolutionary-agitating-in-ferguson-video/

QuoteOpportunistic radical groups from across the country are flocking to Ferguson, Missouri to take advantage of the death of Michael Brown, a young black male shot by local police.

One of the first to arrive in town were communists from Chicago.

Videos on that article showing commie shitnecks chanting "Pigs" into a bullhorn alongside protests. Same group that was agitating at treyvon martin too apparently.
We appear to be doomed by our DNA to repeat the same destructive behaviors our forebears have repeated for millenia. If anything our problem solving skills have actually diminished with the advent of technology & our ubiquitous modern conveniences. & yet despite our predisposition towards fear-driven hostility; towards what we anachronistically term primitive behavior another instinct is just as firmly encoded in our make-up. We are capable as our ancestors were of incredible breathtaking acts of kindness. Every hour of every day a man risks his life at a moments notice to save another. Forget for a moment the belligerent benevolent billionaires who grant the unfortunate a crumb of costfree cake. I speak of pure acts of selflessness. A Mother who rushes into the street to save a child from a speeding vehicle. A person who runs into a burning building to reach a family trapped on the upper story. Such actions,such moments,such unconscious selfless decisions,define what it is to be human

Junkenstein

QuoteAbout the Author: Duane Lester
....  In 2012, Duane was the recipient of the first Breitbart Blogger Award.

Well, that makes the content a total shock.

My best guess would be further attempts to influence the public against any protesters. Communism is apparently still a scary thing to many so it would seem to be a simple way to shift the feeling against them. "Not protesters - Socialists!".
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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Junkenstein on August 18, 2014, 03:23:17 PM
QuoteAbout the Author: Duane Lester
....  In 2012, Duane was the recipient of the first Breitbart Blogger Award.

Well, that makes the content a total shock.

My best guess would be further attempts to influence the public against any protesters. Communism is apparently still a scary thing to many so it would seem to be a simple way to shift the feeling against them. "Not protesters - Socialists!".

You know, not everyone in Munich was marching in the torch-lit parades.  Most people just watched from the sidelines and felt great about things.  Duane would know those people and call them his own.
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