The first single being blocking access to the White House Visitor's Logs:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31373407/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31373407/)
I'm waiting for Dick Morris or Sean Hannity to pick up on this and assume that Obama is hiding a White House picnic with Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, and ACORN.
But really Obama, are you really going to continue W's failures?
This transparancy thing you talked about, when do we get to see that?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 17, 2009, 01:35:38 PM
The first single being blocking access to the White House Visitor's Logs:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31373407/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31373407/)
I'm waiting for Dick Morris or Sean Hannity to pick up on this and assume that Obama is hiding a White House picnic with Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, and ACORN.
But really Obama, are you really going to continue W's failures?
This transparancy thing you talked about, when do we get to see that?
Uh, right now... Obama's claims are now transparent as election rhetoric.
Trans is a Latin noun or prefix, meaning "across", "beyond" or "on the opposite side
Mimi Parent (1924–2005), a Canadian surrealist artist
Therefore it wouldn't beall that much of a stretch to conclude that Obama's new shiny "transparent" means beyond surreal . . .
Maybe he's not giving out a list of these people fro their safety and sanity.
If I visited and has a chat with him I wouldn't want the world knowing cause then there'd be media all over asking this and that and possibly even death threats
Cause this country is full of noseys and CRAZIES.
Quote from: Squid on June 17, 2009, 05:01:52 PM
Maybe he's not giving out a list of these people fro their safety and sanity.
If I visited and has a chat with him I wouldn't want the world knowing cause then there'd be media all over asking this and that and possibly even death threats
Cause this country is full of noseys and CRAZIES.
Everything is about "safety" or "security". What are you talking about?
It could also be that the policy wasn't dropped since bush and he hasn't addressed it yet but thats unlikely.
The doublespeak at the end of the article is telling. This whole administration makes me: :|
Quote from: Jenne on June 17, 2009, 05:59:11 PM
The doublespeak at the end of the article is telling. This whole administration makes me: :|
And they called John, McSame
Quote from: MMIX on June 17, 2009, 03:49:30 PM
Trans is a Latin noun or prefix, meaning "across", "beyond" or "on the opposite side
Mimi Parent (1924–2005), a Canadian surrealist artist
Therefore it wouldn't beall that much of a stretch to conclude that Obama's new shiny "transparent" means beyond surreal . . .
Considering the word actually derives from trans- and pareo, meaning to be seen, it could literally mean "beyond being seen".
Quote from: yhnmzw on June 17, 2009, 05:29:54 PM
Quote from: Squid on June 17, 2009, 05:01:52 PM
Maybe he's not giving out a list of these people fro their safety and sanity.
If I visited and has a chat with him I wouldn't want the world knowing cause then there'd be media all over asking this and that and possibly even death threats
Cause this country is full of noseys and CRAZIES.
Everything is about "safety" or "security". What are you talking about?
The hell do you mean what am I talking about.
Re-read what I wrote. Your answer is right there. (also didn't say security, i said sanity)
This isn't the first single in the album, and definitely not the last....
i'm amused at peoples surprise... :roll:
Quote from: Squid on June 17, 2009, 06:57:13 PM
Quote from: yhnmzw on June 17, 2009, 05:29:54 PM
Quote from: Squid on June 17, 2009, 05:01:52 PM
Maybe he's not giving out a list of these people fro their safety and sanity.
If I visited and has a chat with him I wouldn't want the world knowing cause then there'd be media all over asking this and that and possibly even death threats
Cause this country is full of noseys and CRAZIES.
Everything is about "safety" or "security". What are you talking about?
The hell do you mean what am I talking about.
Re-read what I wrote. Your answer is right there. (also didn't say security, i said sanity)
Sorry, I seem to have had a bit of "the Jackass" at time of that post. I was thinking that legitimate security concerns are lost in a crowd of sooper-sekrits on the basis of "national security".
The nosy will find out anyways, especially if it's not worth knowing.
The crazy will make shit up, available data or no.
Quote from: Iptuous on June 17, 2009, 09:04:58 PM
This isn't the first single in the album, and definitely not the last....
i'm amused at peoples surprise... :roll:
for those who have not developed a deep and all inclusive cynicism about politics, the words hope and change stood for hope and change, to those that have developed their cynicism and those who and soon will, the words hope and change were empty and meaningless slogans no different than any other crap spouted by a politician during an election..
I still think we're doing better than we would have under McCain.
I am fairly sure some of Obama's decisions have been based on his attempts to reconcile both parties.
Why he's bothering to do that is beyond me, since he's IN FUCKING CONTROL for two years, but I assume it is related to his own acknowledgement of his lack of experience.
Far more than continuing some misguided security policies from the Bush days and being lenient with military interrogators, I'm worried that he'll end up adopting a weak centrist stance for his entire presidency, and be re-elected for it. I can't imagine myself voting against him in the next election (as bad as a weak president is, any Republican I can think of would be worse).
I sometimes wonder if some of his decisions are based on the idea that he will not survive his term.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 17, 2009, 11:13:06 PM
(as bad as a weak president is, any real Republican I can think of would be worse).
We do have two years. I mean, they probably want someone with a history, and those can't be manufactured, but...
I'm going with Squid on this. Who gives a fuck who visits the White House? I personally don't, but those who do either A: Have too much time on their hands, B: Are with the media, which causes enough problems, C: Crazies who may just want to hurt people, terrorists, neocons, and idiots alike, and D: Cain.
I think we all have a bit more to worry about in our lives than things like visitor records at the White House being kept private.
Quote from: Squid on June 17, 2009, 05:01:52 PM
Maybe he's not giving out a list of these people fro their safety and sanity.
If I visited and has a chat with him I wouldn't want the world knowing cause then there'd be media all over asking this and that and possibly even death threats
Cause this country is full of noseys and CRAZIES.
We're here to make you safe.
We're the Network.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 18, 2009, 02:34:42 AM
Quote from: Squid on June 17, 2009, 05:01:52 PM
Maybe he's not giving out a list of these people fro their safety and sanity.
If I visited and has a chat with him I wouldn't want the world knowing cause then there'd be media all over asking this and that and possibly even death threats
Cause this country is full of noseys and CRAZIES.
We're here to make you safe.
We're the Network.
WHARS MAH TINFOLE HAT??!!! :D
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 18, 2009, 02:34:42 AM
Quote from: Squid on June 17, 2009, 05:01:52 PM
Maybe he's not giving out a list of these people fro their safety and sanity.
If I visited and has a chat with him I wouldn't want the world knowing cause then there'd be media all over asking this and that and possibly even death threats
Cause this country is full of noseys and CRAZIES.
We're here to make you safe.
We're the Network.
:lulz: nice
Quote from: Suu on June 18, 2009, 02:01:53 AM
I'm going with Squid on this. Who gives a fuck who visits the White House? I personally don't, but those who do either A: Have too much time on their hands, B: Are with the media, which causes enough problems, C: Crazies who may just want to hurt people, terrorists, neocons, and idiots alike, and D: Cain.
I think we all have a bit more to worry about in our lives than things like visitor records at the White House being kept private.
:|
Quote from: Suu on June 18, 2009, 02:01:53 AM
I'm going with Squid on this. Who gives a fuck who visits the White House? I personally don't, but those who do either A: Have too much time on their hands, B: Are with the media, which causes enough problems, C: Crazies who may just want to hurt people, terrorists, neocons, and idiots alike, and D: Cain.
I think we all have a bit more to worry about in our lives than things like visitor records at the White House being kept private.
When Cheney was getting 'assistance' with our Energy Policy, it would have been nice to see all those Oil Sharks paying visits to the White House. I don't care who makes social calls, but I do care who's influencing policies.
I'm with Cain on this. You don't go the the White House to play cribbage and talk about the grandkids. You go there with BUSINESS and an AGENDA that you want to see get put in place. Whoever's going in there is there for a reason that most likely will affect policy, which will most likely affect YOU.
Actually, the face was at being included in such..."illustrious" company.
However, I would have made that point too, if I hadn't been annoyed at the former.
Oh, yeah. That.
Quote from: Arafelis on June 17, 2009, 11:13:06 PM
I still think we're doing better than we would have under McCain.
I am fairly sure some of Obama's decisions have been based on his attempts to reconcile both parties.
Why he's bothering to do that is beyond me, since he's IN FUCKING CONTROL for two years, but I assume it is related to his own acknowledgement of his lack of experience.
Far more than continuing some misguided security policies from the Bush days and being lenient with military interrogators, I'm worried that he'll end up adopting a weak centrist stance for his entire presidency, and be re-elected for it. I can't imagine myself voting against him in the next election (as bad as a weak president is, any Republican I can think of would be worse).
I sometimes wonder if some of his decisions are based on the idea that he will not survive his term.
:|
I care, and I think the article points out something that few of us know about or even tend to worry about: who is spending time at the WH bending the president's ear, and how much influence does that bending have? The answer to that second question comes out in the policies endorsed by the WH.
So, what irks me is the constant 2 steps forward, one step back that the Obama administration has been doing over the last few months.
"Oh, we're AGAINST that Bush policy!"
"Oh, wait, we meant THIS Bush policy!"
"Well, not that policy EXACTLY, but we'll look into it."
"We're still looking into it--we just want to be SURE, you know...be safe."
Bleh. So much doublespeak is nauseating. Fucking be clear like you ran on, bitches. You ran on transparency. You ran on visibility. You ran on telling us like it is and holding everyone to that line.
And then you turned around and 1) fleeced the taxpayers to further the Bush agenda 2) refused to publish the pix from that awful Abu Grahib incident 3) keeping the illegal wire-tapping and 4) basically fubaring any real move towards those so-called transparency moves you talked so high and mighty about about oh 9 mos ago.
Buncha fucking disappointments, the lot of them.
Welcome to government. :horrormirth:
Quote from: Arafelis on June 17, 2009, 11:13:06 PM
I sometimes wonder if some of his decisions are based on the idea that he will not survive his term.
I did not notice this bit the first time around.
That's a hell of a thing to say.
Quote from: Cain on June 18, 2009, 05:32:55 PM
Quote from: Suu on June 18, 2009, 02:01:53 AM
I'm going with Squid on this. Who gives a fuck who visits the White House? I personally don't, but those who do either A: Have too much time on their hands, B: Are with the media, which causes enough problems, C: Crazies who may just want to hurt people, terrorists, neocons, and idiots alike, and D: Cain.
I think we all have a bit more to worry about in our lives than things like visitor records at the White House being kept private.
:|
I said it in jest, dude.
Uh huh.
Pffff.
You guys can ditch on my opinion all you want. It isn't gonna change.
Obama doesn't scare me.
To me, he's like a tooth fairy.
You have to give a little to get something back.
Personally I think he's is too arrogant to be easily persuaded by assholes.
You want a scary boogie man? Fucking Cheney.
That man scares the fucking shit out of me. I'd like his breaker to blow and his lights to just go out.
Now I guess I'll go fuck off with my not caring about what dick head is visiting the president today.
I'm with squid on this one in a way.
There is a much bigger picture and many badwrong things have been reversed. Is there plenty of room for more improvement? Damn skippy. Do I agree with everything he has done? Hell no.
It hasn't even been a year yet.
Quote from: Squid on June 19, 2009, 03:05:54 AM
Pffff.
You guys can ditch on my opinion all you want. It isn't gonna change.
Obama doesn't scare me.
To me, he's like a tooth fairy.
You have to give a little to get something back.
Personally I think he's is too arrogant to be easily persuaded by assholes.
You want a scary boogie man? Fucking Cheney.
That man scares the fucking shit out of me. I'd like his breaker to blow and his lights to just go out.
Now I guess I'll go fuck off with my not caring about what dick head is visiting the president today.
I'm still with you. Whatever. The man is far from perfect, but I don't think anyone here can agree that any president we've had during our lifetimes was actually 100% pure awesome and flawless.
Quote from: Suu on June 19, 2009, 03:15:15 AM
Quote from: Squid on June 19, 2009, 03:05:54 AM
Pffff.
You guys can ditch on my opinion all you want. It isn't gonna change.
Obama doesn't scare me.
To me, he's like a tooth fairy.
You have to give a little to get something back.
Personally I think he's is too arrogant to be easily persuaded by assholes.
You want a scary boogie man? Fucking Cheney.
That man scares the fucking shit out of me. I'd like his breaker to blow and his lights to just go out.
Now I guess I'll go fuck off with my not caring about what dick head is visiting the president today.
I'm still with you. Whatever. The man is far from perfect, but I don't think anyone here can agree that any president we've had during our lifetimes was actually 100% pure awesome and flawless.
No kidding. Just imagine McCain in office.
:x I wanna go home!
That's how imagining that makes me feel.
He's not perfect, but he's better than what we had. And at least he's trying.
Quote from: Squid on June 19, 2009, 04:08:27 AM
:x I wanna go home!
That's how imagining that makes me feel.
He's not perfect, but he's better than what we had. And at least he's trying.
You are right with that--except...I'm getting the impression that he's SAYING he's trying but not really doing it...does that make sense?
It makes sense, but I see him trying (even if he fumbles) more so than I see him saying it.
I know where you're coming from, and I do see what you're saying, but..
There's a part of me that thinks this guy really really wants to do some good, even if he isn't very good at it. ? Know what I mean?
Boy this is hard to explain.
O.k. - it's like he just mopped the floor and then tracked dirt in a spot and then left it.
:?
I do...I do know. Because I have a lot of hope in me too. I just get tired of being knocked down OUTTA that hope.
I think he's trolling us.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 19, 2009, 05:01:45 AM
I think he's trolling us.
THAT would SUCK.
And be kinda cool at the same time.
I'd laugh.
Like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh_IFymXS9o
I haven't gone through the whole of www.thepaincomics.com, but I get the sense that he's sort of on the same path. I haven't got through this year's yet to see how the whole Obama thing is hitting him...but he seems the kind of satirical political comic that would "get it." Without being an Obamite sycophant.
DISCLAIMER: But I could be wrong. Dude went on vacation almost as soon as Obama hit the White House...so we'll see.
Who gives a fuck who visits the White House?
indeed something about freedom of assembly>