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#13861
Or Kill Me / The 6th right of a pope (1+5=6)
July 11, 2006, 08:20:36 PM
i liked the rabbi card. thought it was more funny than my ayatollah one anyway :)

and you did indeed miss the circumcision joke

also every single person on this board is a bunch of assholes. that's right a whole bunch of em.
#13862
YES
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i started out with printing 20 of these (doc).
#13863
Or Kill Me / The 6th right of a pope (1+5=6)
July 10, 2006, 07:11:31 PM
something like this?

text could be a bit more funney, could use some discordian logos, etc but this is what i could whip together quickly with teh gimp
#13864
Or Kill Me / Techno Will Save Your Soul
July 10, 2006, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: LMNOAnd Goedel's proof obviously stems for the fact that numbers (and, by extension, math) is an abstract concept and is therefore open to manipulation and paradox.
don't say that too quickly. i'll read GEB again and i'll get back on this. a whole bunch of mathematical paradoxes are based on numbers and/or an illusionary concept of infinity, but i'm not sure if this is the case for goedel's, it seems to operate on a bit more fundamental level.

but i'll get back on it. (i kind of hope the paradox will allow me to -at least partially- invalidate one of the basic premises, like deduction or induction)

wait a minute wasn't the concept of induction already contested in some philosophical way?

let's just say i'll get back on it
#13865
i'm not mocking you - 95% of humanity is.
#13866
Quote from: LMNOSir, do you mock me?
i mock 95% of humanity -- but not you, really!




actually, yes. i'm in a kind of mocking mood today.

.. but we were off-topic anyway already right?

anyway, i didn't mean the barstool experiment solves metaphysics, that's why i put the quotes there in the first place. but your summary of the conclusion is a good one, puts it in clear perspective.

and paranoia.. well ... let's say that 95% of the paranoid delusions i encounter (in others) are moot issues anyway :)
#13867
Or Kill Me / Techno Will Save Your Soul
July 10, 2006, 01:34:29 PM
Quote from: The Littlest UbermenschNow correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that just say "If there's something that has stuff in it, there's at least one particular article of stuff in it?" And more basically, isn't that just a harder to grasp way of saying "x=x"?
Ugh, number theory makes me want to jump off a bridge.
well it kind of gets tricky once the set is infinite or fractal or something. but really i wouldn't know, this is tricky stuff. i don't understand it. all i can say is i think that bucky fuller would probably not approve of it.

but really i shouldn't talk about things i don't know shit about. so drop the AC bit, if you read wikipedia you know as much as i do :)
#13868
Quote from: LMNOThen again, you can always just realize that 95% of the human race is on self-destruct auto pilot, which tends to make the whole issue moot.
yea, realizing things about 95% of the human race has the general tendency to make issues moot.

--> when in doubt, realize stuff about 95% of humanity
#13869
Or Kill Me / Techno Will Save Your Soul
July 09, 2006, 08:54:04 PM
Quote from: The Littlest UbermenschI dig it. Godel proved that math can never be entirely right.
yea and he did it from the most simple number theory thing, meaning you don't even need complicated obscure etheric math stuff like uncountable infinite sets or real numbers (which cause most of the other math paradoxes thanks to the axiom of choice), but just counting natural numbers

the book "Goedel Escher Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter explains Goedels incompleteness theorem in a way easily understood by anyone with a good brain for math and logic (but no prerequisite knowledge necessary) and also talks about a whole bunch of other interesting subjects .. the few chapters about the incompleteness theorem pretty much blew my mind, i really gotta read that book again sometime :)
#13870
Or Kill Me / Techno Will Save Your Soul
July 09, 2006, 05:19:58 PM
Quote from: The Littlest UbermenschHmm...Goedel eh? I seem to remember that section in Michio Kaku's Hyperspace(yeah I know, it's not exactly a textbook, but it's all a kid like me is going to obtain and mildly understand). Something to do with space curvature? Or am I remembering something completely different?
something completely different :-)

actually Kurt G??del, but i was too lazy to look up the umlauts again.

in short (i almost have to say here "warning plot spoiler" :) ), it's a bit about the ephimedes paradox, a version of which basically says "this sentence is false". your basic paradox.
what goedel does is, he builds up a formal math system according to very simple axioms and logical rules. he just lays down the very basics for number theory. has been done a long time before (goedel did his proof in 1931), been used first to prove simple things like "2+3=5" (would have been a nice thing for Winston to know in room 101 heh) or "there is no highest prime number", using a method called "proof by construction", meaning that the construction of a sentence/statement is also its proof. Goedel figured out a trick to have a formal statement say something about itself and constructed a statement that stated "this statement is not true", thereby pretty much kicking mathematics in the shins, blowing it up from its foundations, etc.
in the end, Goedels conclusion was something like, either a formal system is not 'strong' enough to be complete (meaning it's pretty useless), or if it is strong enough it will be possible to build a 'Goedel Sentence', meaning you can blow it up from the foundation and it's incomplete as well. that's why it's called "goedels incompleteness theorem". (i probably cut a few mathematic fundamentalistic corners here and there, don't shoot me)

oh there wikipedia sez this:
In 1931, G??del published his famous incompleteness theorems in "?úber formal unentscheidbare S?§tze der Principia Mathematica und verwandter Systeme." In that article, he proved that for any computable axiomatic system that is powerful enough to describe arithmetic on the natural numbers, then:
- The system cannot be both consistent and complete. (This is generally known as the incompleteness theorem.)
- The consistency of the axioms cannot be proved within the system.

and in the end Goedel died of starvation caused by paranoia.

also, he always wore black all the time.

ahaha i like this guy .. wikipedia sez: G??del had a most distinguished coach for his citizenship exam: Albert Einstein, who had earlier earned his own citizenship, but knowing of G??del's unpredictable behavior, was concerned that his friend might somehow behave erratically during the exam. Einstein accompanied G??del to the hearing. To everyone's consternation, G??del suddenly informed the presiding judge that he had discovered a way in which a dictatorship could be legally installed in the United States. ^_^

#13871
Bring and Brag / Weird semi-story
July 09, 2006, 04:41:15 PM
watching "waking life" is definitely worth the effort IMO, if not for some interesting insights, a very special/beautifully animated movie either way
#13872
Bring and Brag / Weird semi-story
July 08, 2006, 11:47:41 PM
1) "bitte schon", no umlaut

2) i think they call it the "long dark teatime of the soul" or something. or the abyss. the odd thing is that you actually seem to be enjoying it, while usually one reaps the actual benefits afterwards, after recovery (which you wouldn't call "recovery" of course) .. there's a lot of writings about how someone first needs to "cross the abyss" before reaching a new (higher) state in life, but i think others here can tell much more about this. it's a bit .. new agey? hippie? fluff-headed, but that never stopped me
#13873
Or Kill Me / Techno Will Save Your Soul
July 08, 2006, 11:41:15 PM
ah ok didn't spot the mathematics mentioning .. though still imo fractal dimension isn't really something that hit anybody in the face, more like a new more general definition of dimension .. what really kicked math in the face previous century was goedels incompleteness theorem, imo.

truly, reading that one (in Goedel Escher Bach) was one of the biggest mindfucks i ever read - i can recommend it to anyone not afraid of a littlebit of abstract math, logic and proof stuff. at least, it blew my mind and changed my life in a number of ways
#13874
Or Kill Me / Techno Will Save Your Soul
July 08, 2006, 02:31:29 PM
how did fractal dimensions fly in the face of anything?
also, what do they have to do with physics?
#13875
Quote from: Kai WrenReally? I thought They were a front for Us!
two sides of the same coin are always both fronts for eachother (and backs)

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