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Title: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Captain Utopia on March 27, 2011, 07:05:38 AM
http://www.erisbarandgrill.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=11024
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 27, 2011, 07:12:22 AM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 27, 2011, 07:05:38 AM
http://www.erisbarandgrill.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=11024

Fuck off and die, asshole.

Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Salty on March 27, 2011, 07:34:03 AM
Ah you know I've never had a fight with Roger.
Maybe I'm just not committed enough to the idea.

Quite aside from that:
OP makes me sad inside. Because it's sad.
I like to think I'm fun. I certainly have fun, when things should be fun as well as when they shouldn't by any Normal's standard. Uh...

Seems to me that most of the Superbad Mean Folk here are laughing their heads off a good 90% of the time. I thought that was the point. If you don't want to take that ride because it's too close to the edge of Fucking Awful then it's probably for the best that you GTFOff.

ALSO: I don't see why all these PEOPLE who are dissatisfied with The Way Things Are can't just build their own little sandbox and play nice. *

For the record, I don't know what happened exactly but EBS is as dumb as a frozen bucket of paint. Please record that somewhere not in a newsfeed.


* :lol:


Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 27, 2011, 08:29:23 AM
I was hoping for a better outcome. This is just stupid.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 27, 2011, 08:33:26 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 27, 2011, 08:29:23 AM
I was hoping for a better outcome. This is just stupid.

I think I ruptured something.  :lol:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Aucoq on March 27, 2011, 08:35:24 AM
Holy shit, the fight is over EBS?!  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 27, 2011, 08:36:43 AM
Quote from: Autigre on March 27, 2011, 08:35:24 AM
Holy shit, the fight is over EBS?!  :horrormirth:

Apparently.

:lulz:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 27, 2011, 08:37:40 AM
Also, it's no longer a "fight".  His "apology" was the last straw.  I've erased all of my content there, and now I have no stake in this other than humor.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 27, 2011, 08:40:21 AM
Here it is, in all it's glory:

Quote from: 'Captain Utopia' pid='266696' dateline='1301205833'
Dear Roger,

[align=right]That's great, and imma let you finish, but Socrates gave the best apology of all time.:plato:[/align]

Point, and so continuing on in that vein..

For those of you just joining us, here is the concise version of events (http://www.erisbarandgrill.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=11020&pid=266639#pid266639), and here's a quick recap for everyone else:

  • Miscommunication
  • NUCLEAR BUTTHURT
Sound familiar?

For those of you who haven't ever had a blowout with Rog, when it does happen you can expect a paranoia-fueled frenzy of creative misunderstanding taking every possible incidental detail as a grievous slight, peppered with expletives and hilarity.  No stone will be left unturned, no grudge forgotten, no avenue of character assassination left unexplored.  The service is professional and delivered with a smile.


Quote from: 'Charley Brown' pid='266663' dateline='1301155033'
Apologize to Roger.

This is good advice.  Functional advice.  Appeasing the God of Hateshit.  It would probably work.  Where "work" means to bring matters back to something resembling normal.  But I would have to lie or otherwise invent something to apologise about, because of one tiny fact.

I did absolutely nothing wrong by Roger.

The volume of the howl is not proportional to the actions which preceded it.

I could apologise.  I've responded in a respectful and measured tone to his grievances so far, tried to understand what lies at the root of his complaint, and that's worked so well that he's refused to discuss it any further with me.  I say this in all seriousness: that if you count the slights, the shit flinging - and how could I forget his joyful encouraging of PD to come troll over here - the burden of apology lies upon him.  I'm not holding my breath on that one.

So, all things considered - fuck that.  Back-to-normal is not good enough.  Time to make some New Mistakes.


And, so..

But this was never about personality clashes.  It's ideology.  There is a narrative, which grows more resonant with each retelling, and it looks a little like this:


  • Pinealists, Pagans and countless other tribes are all "fair game" for abuse and insta-dismissal
  • Being able to recognise our 2nd circuit behaviour does not mean that we should aim to modify it
  • Shit is all doomed to fuck, so you might as well have a good time at the expense of the monkeys
  • The cynical outlook is the only truth
  • Grudges should be cherished and exercised
  • We've been over this before, and there's no need to reflect on our narrative, because it can't be changed anyway
Challenges to this narrative are always taken very personally.  Someone always gets hurt.  The immune system is terribly efficient.  It bit my ass many times before I learned to KYFMS.  I thought that by starting up here I could avoid it for a while longer.  I was wrong.

I've talked to many Discordians in the past few months.  I would have given up if I did not know that I am far from being alone at my dissatisfaction with the Stock Discordian Philosophy.

Q) Where are the Fun Discordians?  Where are the Happy-Go-Lucky Discordians?  Where are the Discordians who believe that shit may be bad, but it ain't all bad as that?  Where are the Discordians who are openly optimistic and hopeful about the future?  Where are the Discordians who believe that people can be saved, that reason can win out, that the game is only over when you give up trying?

A) They either got sucked into the miserable fuck narrative, or fled and never looked back.

I want to create a home for those Discordians.  The poor huddled masses who expected a new world, but crashed brutally against the shore of PD.com  The sort of folk who can take an occasional "please take your personal grudges out of this discussion" without going on a 100-post tantrum in response.  We have room.

(All Paths Are Welcome Here)

Let me highlight the best part:

QuoteQ) Where are the Fun Discordians?  Where are the Happy-Go-Lucky Discordians?  Where are the Discordians who believe that shit may be bad, but it ain't all bad as that?  Where are the Discordians who are openly optimistic and hopeful about the future?  Where are the Discordians who believe that people can be saved, that reason can win out, that the game is only over when you give up trying?

A) They either got sucked into the miserable fuck narrative, or fled and never looked back.

I want to create a home for those Discordians.  The poor huddled masses who expected a new world, but crashed brutally against the shore of PD.com  The sort of folk who can take an occasional "please take your personal grudges out of this discussion" without going on a 100-post tantrum in response.  We have room.

(All Paths Are Welcome Here)
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 27, 2011, 09:18:34 AM
:lulz:

Oh, wow.

I don't even.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Payne on March 27, 2011, 09:39:21 AM
 :lulz:

I think I figured out why FictionPuss was punched in the face so often when he was in Scotland.

I can pretty much rule out nationalism given that I, as a Scot, haven't punched even a single Englisher in the face since I moved here... Not even the douchey ones.


(It's true, holding and cherishing grudges really is part of the "Discordian Narrative"!)
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: AFK on March 27, 2011, 02:29:27 PM
Well, on the plus side for FP, now he has plenty of space over at EB&G to launch his e-Democracy project.  

:lulz:

Have fun with that.  
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 27, 2011, 04:06:30 PM
CU is Fictionpuss?  :?

I had no idea!

Anyway, that guy has no idea how to run a forum. With this kind of shit, it's going to go over about as well as CoG.

Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Don Coyote on March 27, 2011, 04:44:53 PM
How is that is a fucking apology?
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 27, 2011, 04:47:46 PM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 27, 2011, 04:44:53 PM
How is that is a fucking apology?

It's not, It's just deliberately inflammatory, immature assholery.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: E.O.T. on March 27, 2011, 05:06:25 PM


I HATE

            that guys avatar
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Adios on March 27, 2011, 05:12:46 PM
Hay Roger. (Forrest Gump imitation!)

Sorry.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 27, 2011, 05:29:11 PM
I think CU is already getting what he deserves.

Literally half of the posters there now are him and the mods.

Almost all of the other half are PDers trolling.

But hey, at least he'll always have Zurtok.

:lulz:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Adios on March 27, 2011, 05:33:21 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 27, 2011, 05:29:11 PM
I think CU is already getting what he deserves.

Literally half of the posters there now are him and the mods.

Almost all of the other half are PDers trolling.

But hey, at least he'll always have Zurtok.

:lulz:

I'm busy fucking with Christians at political forums.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 27, 2011, 05:48:45 PM
Listen, whatever is said about or happens at EB&G from here on, remember that it has NOTHING to do with you or Jenne. You two are awesome and always will be.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 27, 2011, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 27, 2011, 05:48:45 PM
Listen, whatever is said about or happens at EB&G from here on, remember that it has NOTHING to do with you or Jenne. You two are awesome and always will be.

This.  This is STRICTLY a CU thing, as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Adios on March 27, 2011, 05:53:45 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 27, 2011, 05:48:45 PM
Listen, whatever is said about or happens at EB&G from here on, remember that it has NOTHING to do with you or Jenne. You two are awesome and always will be.

Thanks man. It makes me sad to see a war between these boards. Well, war is a bad word, the Bar is not in a position to wage war.

I had hopes this would blow over but I can see now that it isn't going to.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Adios on March 27, 2011, 05:54:42 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 27, 2011, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 27, 2011, 05:48:45 PM
Listen, whatever is said about or happens at EB&G from here on, remember that it has NOTHING to do with you or Jenne. You two are awesome and always will be.

This.  This is STRICTLY a CU thing, as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks Roger, that's the way I saw it and why I stayed out of it.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 27, 2011, 05:56:11 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on March 27, 2011, 05:53:45 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 27, 2011, 05:48:45 PM
Listen, whatever is said about or happens at EB&G from here on, remember that it has NOTHING to do with you or Jenne. You two are awesome and always will be.

Thanks man. It makes me sad to see a war between these boards. Well, war is a bad word, the Bar is not in a position to wage war.

I had hopes this would blow over but I can see now that it isn't going to.

After that "apology"?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I know *I* will never forgive him.  He's a half-step away from Fomentor, right now.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: I_Kicked_Kennedy on March 27, 2011, 05:59:03 PM
TGRR, CU is only thriving off of the fact you're paying any sort of mind to the issue whatsoever.

Brush the top of your shoulder with the back of your fingers and he'll tumble back into the mud, from whence he came.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Faust on March 27, 2011, 11:37:33 PM
I have to say, that is the worst apology I have ever seen. Piece of advice that I assumed would have known from the start but I'll say it anyway:

If you are writing an apology and half way down you turn into a stroppy little bitch, don't switch to an attempted attack. Either start again guns blazing from the beginning or walk away, have a think and continue with a proper apology because you cant do both and you will look like a tool for trying.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 01:57:39 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on March 27, 2011, 04:44:53 PM
How is that is a fucking apology?

The Apology of Socrates.  Referenced in the second line.  Right after "Dear Roger".  Made explicit in the third.  You can't miss it.  So I'm only halfway through it myself, since it has lots of big words and very few pictures, but I'm assuming that all works out for him in the end.

Right.  So Roger starts a public fight with me.  Starts shitting all over the forum, attacking me and trolling random discussions for a couple of days.  No rebuke.  I treat him with respect and civility trying to work it out, but to no avail.  Giving up, I finally I shit back with one inflammatory post of my own and suddenly I'm Formentor, and EB&G is TCC and CoG combined.

Wow.  It's nice to see that almost two years of being an active user, trying to support this site has absolutely no value.  Good to know.

Warning!  There's a line folks.  Do not cross.


Oh.  And re-read that Formentor thread when you get a chance.  That guy was lynched over a misunderstanding.  Didn't back down because he felt he was in the right.  No olive branch.  No compromise.  Just Hateshit.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 28, 2011, 02:03:26 AM
I notice you left out the part where you called us all "miserable fucks" and said that PD wasn't capable of speaking for itself.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on March 28, 2011, 02:07:22 AM
Utopia-

This really should be settled via PM, whether on PD or EBG. This looks all like a misunderstanding from my point of view, but if it really is a misunderstanding, it's between you and Roger. If you two have to PM back and forth ad nauseam so be it. That's all I really have to say on this topic, other than if Roger bans someone there's a reason for it, vague though quid pro quo may be. If I were in your boots I'd be confused about that too, but I would like to think I handled the situation better. Maybe I wouldn't have. It's irrelevant anyway since I'm not really involved. I think though, that this has been given enough public attention.

Blight,
Ignoring any future threads having to do with this incident.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 28, 2011, 02:10:55 AM
It might have stayed between him and Roger, if it weren't for the aforementioned parts.

You know how we get when someone paints the entire board with one brush stroke.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Phox on March 28, 2011, 02:14:47 AM
I was willing to let even THAT go, ECH.  But you know, I can't sit around and watch someone be so willfully ignorant.

P.S. CU, revisionist history don't jibe.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on March 28, 2011, 02:16:40 AM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 28, 2011, 02:10:55 AM
It might have stayed between him and Roger, if it weren't for the aforementioned parts.

You know how we get when someone paints the entire board with one brush stroke.

I agree. That's why I posted what I posted.

The longer you argue over something that shouldn't be argued in public, the more retarded some of the things said in the argument get.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Salty on March 28, 2011, 02:39:29 AM
Vitriol, defamation and retaliation against perceived wrongs I can understand, sort of.
But wrapping it up in shameless, greasy self-promotion and some skewed sense Rightness makes me  :vom:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Shatterbrain on March 28, 2011, 02:44:56 AM
So I'm the only one reading this and thinking it's the result of a badly handled overreaction to a misunderstanding?

Yeah?

Okay then.  :sad:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Salty on March 28, 2011, 03:18:00 AM
I don't really know the situation, who did what with why. Not really my business. I'm only going off the op which is stinking up mah apple talk unmitigated horseshit. Beyond acceptable levels, I mean.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on March 28, 2011, 03:55:57 AM
Jesus fucking christ.


CU seriouly? What the fuck?  First off this should have stayed in PM from the get go. However now that you've flung shit for the world to see you can't even man up with a simple fucking apology? 


This is complete bullshit and my advice is to grow a pair and just admit you fucked up.


Damn!
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 04:37:07 AM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 01:57:39 AM

Oh.  And re-read that Formentor thread when you get a chance.  That guy was lynched over a misunderstanding. 

Why are you such a liar?   :lulz:

You gonna start sticking up for Nazis now, too?
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 04:40:00 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 28, 2011, 02:14:47 AM

P.S. CU, revisionist history don't jibe.

Which is a rather polite way of saying "lying" and "no integrity, whatsoever".
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 04:41:10 AM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 27, 2011, 09:18:34 AM
:lulz:

Oh, wow.

I don't even.

VE VILL OPPRESS ZE MASSES VIS OUR SARCASMS, YES?
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 04:46:31 AM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 28, 2011, 02:03:26 AM
I notice you left out the part where you called us all "miserable fucks"

I did not say that.


Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 28, 2011, 02:03:26 AM
and said that PD wasn't capable of speaking for itself.

Out of context.

I'd actually like to take this opportunity to apologise for the way I've used PD in some of our discussions on Discordian community.  Thing is, PD is the Discordian community - I don't know of any others which are even worth mentioning.  But that does not excuse rhetorical carelessness.

Also, using this forum to strike a personal point against Roger - not cool.  I'd take that back if I could.


Quote from: Khara on March 28, 2011, 03:55:57 AM
Jesus fucking christ.


CU seriouly? What the fuck?  First off this should have stayed in PM from the get go. However now that you've flung shit for the world to see you can't even man up with a simple fucking apology?  


This is complete bullshit and my advice is to grow a pair and just admit you fucked up.


Damn!


:?

I did apologise genuinely - post #5, less than an hour after the OP:
 http://www.erisbarandgrill.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=11024&pid=266700#pid266700
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 04:49:24 AM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 04:46:31 AM

Out of context.


Horseshit.

You should change the name of the forum, Fictionpuss.  Bella never would have been a liar like you when she ran it, and you're dragging what she made through the mud, mostly because you're a liar, but also because you lack the fucking intestinal fortitude to admit you made a mistake.

You're weak.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 04:55:53 AM
You started a fight with me.

You made that fight public.

You won't even tell me what it was that you think it is that I did to wrong you.  I keep pressing you on that point, and now after trolling it for half a week you're calling me a liar and blaming me for dragging the forum through the mud.  :lulz:

Still dodging the simple question.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:01:17 AM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 04:55:53 AM
You started a fight with me.

You made that fight public.

I did?   :lulz:

Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 04:55:53 AM
You won't even tell me what it was that you think it is that I did to wrong you.  I keep pressing you on that point, and now after trolling it for half a week you're calling me a liar and blaming me for dragging the forum through the mud.  :lulz:

Still dodging the simple question.

You're such a fucking liar, Fictionpuss.  I've written out my gripe FOUR times.  The fact that you choose to ignore and then say I haven't said it is just further proof of your absolute lack of integrity.

Also, "I'd take it back if I could" (referencing the comment about EVERYONE ON PD) wasn't an apology.

You're too fucking weak to make a proper apology to anyone.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 05:06:42 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:01:17 AM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 04:55:53 AM
You started a fight with me.

You made that fight public.

I did?   :lulz:

Yes.  Demonstrably.  It's already been demonstrated.  You declined to comment.


Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:01:17 AM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 04:55:53 AM
You won't even tell me what it was that you think it is that I did to wrong you.  I keep pressing you on that point, and now after trolling it for half a week you're calling me a liar and blaming me for dragging the forum through the mud.  :lulz:

Still dodging the simple question.

You're such a fucking liar, Fictionpuss.  I've written out my gripe FOUR times.  The fact that you choose to ignore and then say I haven't said it is just further proof of your absolute lack of integrity.

Link?  Stop dodging the question.


Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:01:17 AM
Also, "I'd take it back if I could" (referencing the comment about EVERYONE ON PD) wasn't an apology.

You're too fucking weak to make a proper apology to anyone.

Well now you're twisting words.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:08:46 AM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 05:06:42 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:01:17 AM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 04:55:53 AM
You started a fight with me.

You made that fight public.

I did?   :lulz:

Yes.  Demonstrably.  It's already been demonstrated.  You declined to comment.

You're a fucking liar.


Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 05:06:42 AM
Well now you're twisting words.

Did you or did you not actually apologize?  No, you fucking didn't.

Also, at least one of my posts on EB&G has been erased.  Now why would you do a thing like that, CU?
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:09:23 AM
Let me reiterate:  At least one of my posts on EB&G has vanished without a trace.

:lulz:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Phox on March 28, 2011, 05:11:37 AM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:12:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 28, 2011, 05:11:37 AM
:facepalm:

The one I wrote, that had 4 numbered bitches?

Oh, yeah.  Gone.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Da6s on March 28, 2011, 05:14:13 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 28, 2011, 05:11:37 AM
:facepalm:

:drama1:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Phox on March 28, 2011, 05:15:14 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:12:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 28, 2011, 05:11:37 AM
:facepalm:

The one I wrote, that had 4 numbered bitches?

Oh, yeah.  Gone.   :lulz:
OFUK. Yeah, I remember reading that one.

Phox,
Off to go look for it again.  :lol:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:16:54 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 28, 2011, 05:15:14 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:12:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 28, 2011, 05:11:37 AM
:facepalm:

The one I wrote, that had 4 numbered bitches?

Oh, yeah.  Gone.   :lulz:
OFUK. Yeah, I remember reading that one.

Phox,
Off to go look for it again.  :lol:

That's why he's been demanding them non-stop.  He erased them.  :lol:

There's one left, though, in the split, down in UYJ.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:18:41 AM
http://www.erisbarandgrill.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=11020&page=4

Post #58.  Quick, before it goes away.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Phox on March 28, 2011, 05:21:27 AM
Quote from: 'Doktor Howl' pid='266640' dateline='1301112711'
Quote from: 'Captain Utopia' pid='266639' dateline='1301112471'


I don't think there was a point where I didn't trust Roger.


A PM would have been JUST TOO FUCKING MUCH, right?  How many threads were required to satiate what was obviously JUST FUCKING CURIOUSITY?  As if you CAN'T READ THE FUCKING LOGS?

And shoving it out in Goddamn public before I had a chance to respond?  What the FUCK did you think I was going to do?  Send a Goddamn card & flowers?

FUCK YOU.

Done here.

Later, asshole.

Dok,
Dropping this shitbox from my bookmarks, and letting you have your little win.
That one?
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:23:42 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 28, 2011, 05:21:27 AM
Quote from: 'Doktor Howl' pid='266640' dateline='1301112711'
Quote from: 'Captain Utopia' pid='266639' dateline='1301112471'


I don't think there was a point where I didn't trust Roger.


A PM would have been JUST TOO FUCKING MUCH, right?  How many threads were required to satiate what was obviously JUST FUCKING CURIOUSITY?  As if you CAN'T READ THE FUCKING LOGS?

And shoving it out in Goddamn public before I had a chance to respond?  What the FUCK did you think I was going to do?  Send a Goddamn card & flowers?

FUCK YOU.

Done here.

Later, asshole.

Dok,
Dropping this shitbox from my bookmarks, and letting you have your little win.
That one?

Yeah, the long version - which was slightly more civil - is gone, there are (or was) a couple more in the admin board, and then there's this one.  But he keeps saying that I haven't said what's wrong, and he is now saying that *I* put it out in public (somehow, I apparently started a thread and a poll in his name).

This is fucking hilarious.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 05:24:56 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:16:54 AM
That's why he's been demanding them non-stop.  He erased them.  :lol:

That's a low fucking accusation.

I've been asking for an explanation so we could discuss our disagreement.  When you refused, I asked for a link, as I figured that would be easier to provide, and I'd have more chance of getting to the discussion.

So as you can see, I had a compelling motivation to delete your posts, as that would undoubtedly prevent any discussion.

You've gone off the deep end Roger.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:25:42 AM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 05:24:56 AM


That's a low fucking accusation.


You'll notice that this isn't a denial.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Phox on March 28, 2011, 05:26:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:25:42 AM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 05:24:56 AM


That's a low fucking accusation.


You'll notice that this isn't a denial.   :lulz:
Don't worry, he's checking the logs.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:27:25 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 28, 2011, 05:26:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:25:42 AM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 05:24:56 AM


That's a low fucking accusation.


You'll notice that this isn't a denial.   :lulz:
Don't worry, he's checking the logs.  :lulz:

:lulz:

Which is like Obama asking the military if what they're doing to Manning is legal.

:lulz:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: BabylonHoruv on March 28, 2011, 05:29:05 AM
I got banned.  WTF?  I haven't even been on EB&G except to watch this drama unfold and quite some time ago to ask Bella's advice on making money as a telephone psychic.

I'm gonna throw in with the people saying that it's looking like Church of Google.  I'd been remaining neutral, but pre-emptive bannings is pretty bad.

Enjoy your dead forum Captain Utopia.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:29:59 AM
Well, I've spoken my piece.

I'm off to bed, and I'll be doing a bit of writing tomorrow, rather than continue bickering with a shitneck like CU.

Night, folks.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Phox on March 28, 2011, 05:32:22 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on March 28, 2011, 05:29:05 AM
I got banned.  WTF?  I haven't even been on EB&G except to watch this drama unfold and quite some time ago to ask Bella's advice on making money as a telephone psychic.

I'm gonna throw in with the people saying that it's looking like Church of Google.  I'd been remaining neutral, but pre-emptive bannings is pretty bad.

Enjoy your dead forum Captain Utopia.
:lulz:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 05:43:23 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:25:42 AM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 05:24:56 AM


That's a low fucking accusation.


You'll notice that this isn't a denial.   :lulz:

Yes!  Look how devious I am!

According to you I'm deleting posts, presumably cooking the logs too, and my super smart plan to get away with it, isn't to simply lie, but to... avoid the question!  Sweet irony.

I must be a motherfucking genius.

Of course I deny it.  It's just that I have no way to prove it.  I'm not going to convince _anyone_ in a matchup between your reputation and mine.  And now that you've made the accusation, there's no way for you to back down without ruining your own.

This is check-mate, isn't it.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Phox on March 28, 2011, 05:49:23 AM
So, CU. Why was BH banned? Serious question. He hasn't even posted anything.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 05:51:49 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on March 28, 2011, 05:29:05 AM
I got banned.  WTF?  I haven't even been on EB&G except to watch this drama unfold and quite some time ago to ask Bella's advice on making money as a telephone psychic.

I'm gonna throw in with the people saying that it's looking like Church of Google.  I'd been remaining neutral, but pre-emptive bannings is pretty bad.

Enjoy your dead forum Captain Utopia.

You were banned on 2010-12-29.  No reason given.  I've lifted it now, since I see no reason for it being there.

Of course - I didn't have any admin access to EB&G until this year, so it was not a pre-emptive banning.  I'm not quite stupid enough not to know what retribution any banning would entail.  Dan might still have a backup of the database which could verify these facts if you care enough, but I'm content to let it go for now since in light of Rogers accusation, this is small potatoes.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Phox on March 28, 2011, 05:53:33 AM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 05:51:49 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on March 28, 2011, 05:29:05 AM
I got banned.  WTF?  I haven't even been on EB&G except to watch this drama unfold and quite some time ago to ask Bella's advice on making money as a telephone psychic.

I'm gonna throw in with the people saying that it's looking like Church of Google.  I'd been remaining neutral, but pre-emptive bannings is pretty bad.

Enjoy your dead forum Captain Utopia.

You were banned on 2010-12-29.  No reason given.  I've lifted it now, since I see no reason for it being there.

Of course - I didn't have any admin access to EB&G until this year, so it was not a pre-emptive banning.  I'm not quite stupid enough not to know what retribution any banning would entail.  Dan might still have a backup of the database which could verify these facts if you care enough, but I'm content to let it go for now since in light of Rogers accusation, this is small potatoes.
I will accept that answer, since... Well, I don't really care.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: BabylonHoruv on March 28, 2011, 05:54:15 AM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 05:51:49 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on March 28, 2011, 05:29:05 AM
I got banned.  WTF?  I haven't even been on EB&G except to watch this drama unfold and quite some time ago to ask Bella's advice on making money as a telephone psychic.

I'm gonna throw in with the people saying that it's looking like Church of Google.  I'd been remaining neutral, but pre-emptive bannings is pretty bad.

Enjoy your dead forum Captain Utopia.

You were banned on 2010-12-29.  No reason given.  I've lifted it now, since I see no reason for it being there.

Of course - I didn't have any admin access to EB&G until this year, so it was not a pre-emptive banning.  I'm not quite stupid enough not to know what retribution any banning would entail.  Dan might still have a backup of the database which could verify these facts if you care enough, but I'm content to let it go for now since in light of Rogers accusation, this is small potatoes.

I was?  That's weird.  I assumed it was recent since I could read Roger's posts up till now but i guess I just hadn't needed to log in for them.  
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 07:33:58 AM
Unless Roger admits that he is lying about his accusation that I deleted a bunch of his posts, then I'm quitting EB&G and Discordia altogether.

Your call Roger, are you going to press the button?

http://www.erisbarandgrill.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=11029&pid=266787#pid266787

Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 28, 2011, 08:12:20 AM
CU, you fucked up when you posted that deliberately inflammatory "poll". It came off as a transparent excuse to indict Roger, by implication, for circumventing your "authority" or something. Playing innocent and pretending that's not at all what you meant just makes you appear weak, lame, and possibly stupid.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Scribbly on March 28, 2011, 09:02:22 AM
Well, I'd say the ultimatum makes it clear he really is just dense.

He's putting the ball in Roger's court, and abdicating responsibility for his actions. Assuming for the sake of argument that Roger IS lying (which I don't think is likely anyway), the only reason he would be doing so would be to embarrass and shame CU. In which case, there is no reason for him to 'come clean' unless he has some respect for CU and his contributions to the community. Which, clearly, at this point, he doesn't.

CU is basically asking Roger to make himself look like an idiot, so that CU can then be vindicated in the eyes of everyone else for throwing a huge tantrum. There is no reason why Rog would do this. He also seems to think that even if Roger IS lying (or mistaken) about the post thing, that would make him right on every other count. Where actually, he still just looks like a weak moron who can't figure out what an apology should look like, even if he's right on this matter. Which I doubt he is.

If he wanted some respect, he should either have stood up and outright said 'This is no longer worth the stress, I'm gone.' Which at least shows he can own his own decisions, or 'Fuck Roger, I know I'm right I'm not letting this get to me'. Unfortunately, it obviously DOES get to him, and he's convinced himself that everyone in the community would have sided with Roger based purely on his reputation, and not the fact CU has acted like a giant douche since this began.

TL;DR -CU is falling back on Roger Mindlasers. Lawl.



Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Faust on March 28, 2011, 09:40:57 AM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 07:33:58 AM
then I'm quitting EB&G and Discordia altogether.

Your call Roger, are you going to press the button?

http://www.erisbarandgrill.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=11029&pid=266787#pid266787



The fact that you would make such a proposition makes me say yes you should separate yourself from the bar and grill but for completely different reasons.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Phox on March 28, 2011, 02:00:19 PM
Roger is most certainly NOT lying about the missing post. Whether CU deleted it or not, I can't say. That is all.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: hooplala on March 28, 2011, 02:10:59 PM
Jesus Christ... CU, why? WHY?
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Adios on March 28, 2011, 02:50:59 PM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 07:33:58 AM
Unless Roger admits that he is lying about his accusation that I deleted a bunch of his posts, then I'm quitting EB&G and Discordia altogether.

Your call Roger, are you going to press the button?

http://www.erisbarandgrill.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=11029&pid=266787#pid266787



No you're not quitting the Bar, quit Discordia if you wish.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 03:07:05 PM
This whole fucking thing is making me want to shit nails.

I'm shaking my head thinking maybe I just need to take a fucking break from it ALL.  Except for LMNO's Spider thread.

FUCK THIS. 

WHY is this thread even necessary?  WHY?

Jesus fucking christ on a fucking pogostick.

Isn't life shitty enough?  Isn't it?  Goddammit motherfucking hell shit fuck damn cock suck cunt dick shit shit shit shit...
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Adios on March 28, 2011, 03:08:42 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 03:07:05 PM
This whole fucking thing is making me want to shit nails.

I'm shaking my head thinking maybe I just need to take a fucking break from it ALL.  Except for LMNO's Spider thread.

FUCK THIS. 

WHY is this thread even necessary?  WHY?

Jesus fucking christ on a fucking pogostick.

Isn't life shitty enough?  Isn't it?  Goddammit motherfucking hell shit fuck damn cock suck cunt dick shit shit shit shit...

I love you. Does that help?
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 03:12:50 PM
<3 Thank you, Hawk.  I just have run out of patience is all.  I hate this whole thing.  It's beyond stupid.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 03:13:13 PM
Jenne, Charley.. you can't stop this, my mind is made up.  Take a break, a walk, smell the spring flowers.  All will be okay in the end.

Folks, I cannot run the site when Roger has told you very definitely that I've been mucking around with his posts, and that I'm an untrustworthy liar.  Not only has he crippled me - safely, because I have no recourse to prove my innocence - but he's set up a handy precedent to troll the fuck out of EB&G if I remain there.

That's not going to happen.  This ends today.  I'd like to think that Roger will do the right thing and admit that he lied and manipulated all of you, because I like to believe in the best of people.  But if he does not, my faith in that will not be shattered, just my faith in Roger.

And to anyone who thinks I should just sit down and let him shit all over my integrity - fuck you, too.  Sincerely.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 03:14:46 PM
He's NOT going to do that, CU.  Why should he?  Because you dared him?

Come on, man, the handwriting on how this shit goes down is prewritten in the sky.

Laying down the arms is the only way this shit gets fixed, period.

Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 28, 2011, 02:00:19 PM
Roger is most certainly NOT lying about the missing post. Whether CU deleted it or not, I can't say. That is all.

This.

I don't for certain know what happened, but at least one post is missing.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Faust on March 28, 2011, 03:17:46 PM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 03:13:13 PM

And to anyone who thinks I should just sit down and let him shit all over my integrity - fuck you, too.  Sincerely.
I don't think anyone has suggested that.
Stepping down over a disagreement with someone is the equivalent of taking the ball away when a game isn't going your way. When I said I think you should step down but for completely different reasons its because there is always going to be pressure, you'll need to get used to it or you wont be cut out for the job.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Adios on March 28, 2011, 03:18:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 28, 2011, 02:00:19 PM
Roger is most certainly NOT lying about the missing post. Whether CU deleted it or not, I can't say. That is all.

This.

I don't for certain know what happened, but at least one post is missing.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say it wasn't deleted, not that I know what happened to it either.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 03:19:26 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 28, 2011, 02:00:19 PM
Roger is most certainly NOT lying about the missing post. Whether CU deleted it or not, I can't say. That is all.

This.

I don't for certain know what happened, but at least one post is missing.

:backpedal:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 03:20:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 03:13:13 PM
Jenne, Charley.. you can't stop this, my mind is made up.  Take a break, a walk, smell the spring flowers.  All will be okay in the end.

Folks, I cannot run the site when Roger has told you very definitely that I've been mucking around with his posts, and that I'm an untrustworthy liar.  Not only has he crippled me - safely, because I have no recourse to prove my innocence - but he's set up a handy precedent to troll the fuck out of EB&G if I remain there.

That's not going to happen.  This ends today.  I'd like to think that Roger will do the right thing and admit that he lied and manipulated all of you, because I like to believe in the best of people.  But if he does not, my faith in that will not be shattered, just my faith in Roger.

And to anyone who thinks I should just sit down and let him shit all over my integrity - fuck you, too.  Sincerely.

All I know is that a post of mine which was there is not now.  Phox remembers the post, and has verified that it isn't there.

And, frankly, I don't give a fuck about your faith in me.  You pissed me off when you posted the public poll (alongside the EBS thing), but you stopped mattering at all when you posted your "apology".  In my opinion, Bella should have just shut the damn board down, rather than let you drag it through the muck.

That's really all that I have to say on the matter.  Go vent your longstanding butthurt about e-democracy on someone else (I had noticed your reference to earlier disputes, while I was reading the board-wide insult you spewed in your fury).
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 03:23:51 PM
That's fucking cowardly.

You accused me of deleting posts.  Is that some shit you just fling around lightly?  For a joke?
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on March 28, 2011, 04:16:51 PM
Apology Lesson #1

An apology should consist of the following....

I'm or I

and

Sorry or apologize.

Anything more than that is not an apology it's an attempt to prove a point which does not need to be made.

If you cannot simply say I'm sorry or I apologize, then your next best option is to shut the fuck up and let shit die.

This shit has people I care about all upset and I am frankly very disappointed in you CU.  You've been around to damn long to act like this.  I've given you the benefit of the doubt that somewhere in your brain this whole thing is a direct result of your lack of experience in running a board, your lack of trust in your admins, and a misguided attempt to "do the right thing".  After your apology from hell, I think you are trying to stir the shit more than anyone else involved.

Just fucking stop it!!!
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 28, 2011, 05:20:13 PM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 03:13:13 PM
Jenne, Charley.. you can't stop this, my mind is made up.  Take a break, a walk, smell the spring flowers.  All will be okay in the end.

Folks, I cannot run the site when Roger has told you very definitely that I've been mucking around with his posts, and that I'm an untrustworthy liar.  Not only has he crippled me - safely, because I have no recourse to prove my innocence - but he's set up a handy precedent to troll the fuck out of EB&G if I remain there.

That's not going to happen.  This ends today.  I'd like to think that Roger will do the right thing and admit that he lied and manipulated all of you, because I like to believe in the best of people.  But if he does not, my faith in that will not be shattered, just my faith in Roger.

And to anyone who thinks I should just sit down and let him shit all over my integrity - fuck you, too.  Sincerely.

IMO you gave away your own appearance of integrity, starting with the childish "poll" and ending with the fake "apology". Regardless of what happened to Roger's post, those are the reasons you shouldn't be running a board. Your ego is too involved in it. I don't trust you as an admin because of your actions, even if Roger was wrong about everything.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 28, 2011, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 03:07:05 PM
This whole fucking thing is making me want to shit nails.

I'm shaking my head thinking maybe I just need to take a fucking break from it ALL.  Except for LMNO's Spider thread.

FUCK THIS. 

WHY is this thread even necessary?  WHY?

Jesus fucking christ on a fucking pogostick.

Isn't life shitty enough?  Isn't it?  Goddammit motherfucking hell shit fuck damn cock suck cunt dick shit shit shit shit...

Same reason he felt the need to post it on Cram's Facebook group. Attention.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:27:46 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2011, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 03:07:05 PM
This whole fucking thing is making me want to shit nails.

I'm shaking my head thinking maybe I just need to take a fucking break from it ALL.  Except for LMNO's Spider thread.

FUCK THIS. 

WHY is this thread even necessary?  WHY?

Jesus fucking christ on a fucking pogostick.

Isn't life shitty enough?  Isn't it?  Goddammit motherfucking hell shit fuck damn cock suck cunt dick shit shit shit shit...

Same reason he felt the need to post it on Cram's Facebook group. Attention.

WAT  :lulz:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 28, 2011, 05:29:11 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 03:07:05 PM
This whole fucking thing is making me want to shit nails.

I'm shaking my head thinking maybe I just need to take a fucking break from it ALL.  Except for LMNO's Spider thread.

FUCK THIS.  

WHY is this thread even necessary?  WHY?

Jesus fucking christ on a fucking pogostick.

Isn't life shitty enough?  Isn't it?  Goddammit motherfucking hell shit fuck damn cock suck cunt dick shit shit shit shit...

This isn't shitty at all.

This is FUNNY.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 28, 2011, 05:31:36 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2011, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 03:07:05 PM
This whole fucking thing is making me want to shit nails.

I'm shaking my head thinking maybe I just need to take a fucking break from it ALL.  Except for LMNO's Spider thread.

FUCK THIS. 

WHY is this thread even necessary?  WHY?

Jesus fucking christ on a fucking pogostick.

Isn't life shitty enough?  Isn't it?  Goddammit motherfucking hell shit fuck damn cock suck cunt dick shit shit shit shit...

Same reason he felt the need to post it on Cram's Facebook group. Attention.

wait, WHAT?

Oh sweet baby jesus. CU has gone totally off the deep end.

:lulz:

Don't do Utopia, kids.

NOT EVEN ONCE.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 28, 2011, 05:31:36 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2011, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 03:07:05 PM
This whole fucking thing is making me want to shit nails.

I'm shaking my head thinking maybe I just need to take a fucking break from it ALL.  Except for LMNO's Spider thread.

FUCK THIS. 

WHY is this thread even necessary?  WHY?

Jesus fucking christ on a fucking pogostick.

Isn't life shitty enough?  Isn't it?  Goddammit motherfucking hell shit fuck damn cock suck cunt dick shit shit shit shit...

Same reason he felt the need to post it on Cram's Facebook group. Attention.

wait, WHAT?

Oh sweet baby jesus. CU has gone totally off the deep end.

:lulz:

Don't do Utopia, kids.

NOT EVEN ONCE.

This is creeeeeepy.  EBS-style shit.  Maybe they have more in common than I thought.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 28, 2011, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 28, 2011, 05:31:36 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2011, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 03:07:05 PM
This whole fucking thing is making me want to shit nails.

I'm shaking my head thinking maybe I just need to take a fucking break from it ALL.  Except for LMNO's Spider thread.

FUCK THIS. 

WHY is this thread even necessary?  WHY?

Jesus fucking christ on a fucking pogostick.

Isn't life shitty enough?  Isn't it?  Goddammit motherfucking hell shit fuck damn cock suck cunt dick shit shit shit shit...

Same reason he felt the need to post it on Cram's Facebook group. Attention.

wait, WHAT?

Oh sweet baby jesus. CU has gone totally off the deep end.

:lulz:

Don't do Utopia, kids.

NOT EVEN ONCE.

Yeah, whatever the shit is going on there is starting to look more like a mental break or a meth problem than just a regular ego-fed temper tantrum.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Adios on March 28, 2011, 05:37:14 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 28, 2011, 05:29:11 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 03:07:05 PM
This whole fucking thing is making me want to shit nails.

I'm shaking my head thinking maybe I just need to take a fucking break from it ALL.  Except for LMNO's Spider thread.

FUCK THIS.  

WHY is this thread even necessary?  WHY?

Jesus fucking christ on a fucking pogostick.

Isn't life shitty enough?  Isn't it?  Goddammit motherfucking hell shit fuck damn cock suck cunt dick shit shit shit shit...

This isn't shitty at all.

This is FUNNY.

*sigh*

I see your POV, but I agree with Jenne here.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 28, 2011, 06:00:42 PM
CU is starting to foam at the mouth a bit.

Apparently, having an opinion that differs from his (and spelling it out in a fairly non-inflammatory manner) is grounds for being called "trash".

http://www.erisbarandgrill.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=11023&pid=266830#pid266830

I think it's sad that this is happening to EB&G. I think we need to all help EB&G out by pushing CU over the edge as quickly as possible so that he will make good on his infantile posturing and leave EB&G in better hands (which would be just about anyone at this point).
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 06:09:36 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 28, 2011, 06:00:42 PM
Apparently, having an opinion that differs from his (and spelling it out in a fairly non-inflammatory manner) is grounds for being called "trash".

Saw that.  I would have said something, but I've given up on the little freak.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: hooplala on March 28, 2011, 06:16:38 PM
When I met CU a month or so ago he seemed like a completely reasonable person.  I am utterly gobsmacked that this has turned out the way it did.

Roger, I owe you an apology for doubting the monkey metaphor a year or so ago.  Obviously my optimism was running at dangerous levels.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 06:20:27 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on March 28, 2011, 06:16:38 PM
When I met CU a month or so ago he seemed like a completely reasonable person.  I am utterly gobsmacked that this has turned out the way it did.

Roger, I owe you an apology for doubting the monkey metaphor a year or so ago.  Obviously my optimism was running at dangerous levels.

S'okay.  I have my moments of hope & optimism, too.  You just have to enjoy them until the universe plods up to set you straight, again.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 28, 2011, 06:30:56 PM
SPOILER ALERT: VOICE OF REASON AHEAD!




In all fairness, I gotta say this: As someone who found themselves in the same position as CU and made more than his fair share of mistakes and mis-steps when thrust into the position, I understand how this all got started. But no matter what, at some point you have to decide which is more important: your pride and ego? or the viability of the community of OTHER PEOPLE that you're trying to nurture? If your position of leadership in that community is all about YOU, you shouldn't remain in that position. If it's about EVERYONE ELSE, there will be occasions where you need to back down off a stance you took. It gets easier each time.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Adios on March 28, 2011, 06:34:23 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 28, 2011, 06:30:56 PM
SPOILER ALERT: VOICE OF REASON AHEAD!




In all fairness, I gotta say this: As someone who found themselves in the same position as CU and made more than his fair share of mistakes and mis-steps when thrust into the position, I understand how this all got started. But no matter what, at some point you have to decide which is more important: your pride and ego? or the viability of the community of OTHER PEOPLE that you're trying to nurture? If your position of leadership in that community is all about YOU, you shouldn't remain in that position. If it's about EVERYONE ELSE, there will be occasions where you need to back down off a stance you took. It gets easier each time.

Amen. It really does get easier with practice.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Faust on March 28, 2011, 06:35:42 PM
I don't think CU deleted you're post roger, at least if he did, I don't think he was sane or can remember doing it?
I think he's gone off his fucking tweet and until he comes back to reality we wont know for sure.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 06:37:35 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 28, 2011, 06:35:42 PM
I don't think CU deleted you're post roger, at least if he did, I don't think he was sane or can remember doing it?
I think he's gone off his fucking tweet and until he comes back to reality we wont know for sure.

I have no idea.  All I know is that I went looking for it, and it was gone.  I searched my past posts, and it still wasn't there.  Phox had seen it, went looking for it, and also couldn't find it.

Then CU called Phox "trash".   :lulz:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Faust on March 28, 2011, 06:41:14 PM
Was it posted after the move?
Because there seems to be some weird stuff up anyway, I cant see avatars in threads and images are acting funny.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 06:41:48 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 28, 2011, 06:41:14 PM
Was it posted after the move?
Because there seems to be some weird stuff up anyway, I cant see avatars in threads and images are acting funny.

Yes, it was just the other day.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 28, 2011, 06:43:59 PM
Wow, dude. Just wow.

I think I've got to step away from this whole dispute, because it was one thing to argue with him when he was just being an asshole, but it makes me uncomfortable now that he's acting like he's actually losing his shit.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 06:44:43 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 28, 2011, 06:43:59 PM
Wow, dude. Just wow.

I think I've got to step away from this whole dispute, because it was one thing to argue with him when he was just being an asshole, but it makes me uncomfortable now that he's acting like he's actually losing his shit.

Seems kinda...familiar.   :sad:
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Faust on March 28, 2011, 06:45:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 06:41:48 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 28, 2011, 06:41:14 PM
Was it posted after the move?
Because there seems to be some weird stuff up anyway, I cant see avatars in threads and images are acting funny.

Yes, it was just the other day.
Hrm. Was it a post or a thread I'm checking a couple of things.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 06:50:21 PM
Was a post.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Faust on March 28, 2011, 06:57:01 PM
Get Jenne or CB to check it, mybb keeps logs as well as here.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 07:11:50 PM
I have no trust in my own skills with this software, but I'm willing to look and see what's there...I'm sure Charley would be too.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Faust on March 28, 2011, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 07:11:50 PM
I have no trust in my own skills with this software, but I'm willing to look and see what's there...I'm sure Charley would be too.
It looks like this:
(http://wiki.mybb.com/images/thumb/d/df/ACP_Tools_ModLogs.png/764px-ACP_Tools_ModLogs.png)
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Adios on March 28, 2011, 07:14:03 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 07:11:50 PM
I have no trust in my own skills with this software, but I'm willing to look and see what's there...I'm sure Charley would be too.

Of course.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 07:16:50 PM
GAH.  Ok.  I have to be honest--I've signed on as admin like THREE times, and 2 out of 3 was just to see what the fuck it looked like, the other was to see if I was still admin after the move.

Goddamn.

This shit feels like glass shards.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Luna on March 28, 2011, 07:17:14 PM
Ability to prune logs...

Silly question, maybe, but does that mean that, with the correct access, someone could delete a post, and then remove evidence that the post was deleted?

(I do not speculate as to whether or not this was done, I'm just curious as to if it could be done.)
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 07:18:51 PM
Yeah, I don't have access to that portion, apparently.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 07:18:57 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 28, 2011, 07:17:14 PM
Ability to prune logs...

Silly question, maybe, but does that mean that, with the correct access, someone could delete a post, and then remove evidence that the post was deleted?

(I do not speculate as to whether or not this was done, I'm just curious as to if it could be done.)


Good question.  And, if not, it also shows there that USERS cannot cover their tracks...IE, I didn't erase it.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 07:18:51 PM
Yeah, I don't have access to that portion, apparently.

CU, on the other hand, does.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 07:19:32 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 28, 2011, 07:17:14 PM
Ability to prune logs...

Silly question, maybe, but does that mean that, with the correct access, someone could delete a post, and then remove evidence that the post was deleted?

(I do not speculate as to whether or not this was done, I'm just curious as to if it could be done.)

I have NO idea. 
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 07:20:00 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 28, 2011, 07:18:51 PM
Yeah, I don't have access to that portion, apparently.

CU, on the other hand, does.

Yeah, I hope so.  I'm sure he does too, I was just letting everyone know that I can't access that to find out.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Adios on March 28, 2011, 07:20:22 PM
I found no evidence of deleted posts. Either I'm doing it wrong or my screenshot thingy isn't working.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Faust on March 28, 2011, 07:22:51 PM
Its possible to remove the evidence yes. But unlikely and would take more with it. He could have done it from the sql panel but we didn't give him time to do that...
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 07:22:57 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on March 28, 2011, 07:20:22 PM
I found no evidence of deleted posts. Either I'm doing it wrong or my screenshot thingy isn't working.

I'd like Faust to explain what the "prune logs" section does.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 07:23:46 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 28, 2011, 07:22:51 PM
Its possible to remove the evidence yes. But unlikely and would take more with it. He could have done it from the sql panel but we didn't give him time to do that...

How long would he need?  He's been hollering about this for more than 12 hours.

And he's a coder for a living, I gather.  So "possible" is what I needed to hear.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Faust on March 28, 2011, 07:26:16 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 07:23:46 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 28, 2011, 07:22:51 PM
Its possible to remove the evidence yes. But unlikely and would take more with it. He could have done it from the sql panel but we didn't give him time to do that...

How long would he need?  He's been hollering about this for more than 12 hours.

And he's a coder for a living, I gather.  So "possible" is what I needed to hear.
Its possible, but unlikely, it doesn't take long but i don't think he thought of it.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 07:32:03 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 28, 2011, 07:26:16 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 07:23:46 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 28, 2011, 07:22:51 PM
Its possible to remove the evidence yes. But unlikely and would take more with it. He could have done it from the sql panel but we didn't give him time to do that...

How long would he need?  He's been hollering about this for more than 12 hours.

And he's a coder for a living, I gather.  So "possible" is what I needed to hear.
Its possible, but unlikely, it doesn't take long but i don't think he thought of it.

I remember writing the post, Phox remembers seeing it.

It isn't on PD.

Phox cannot see the admin board, there. 

Something happened to that post.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Luna on March 28, 2011, 07:38:00 PM
Honestly, I rather doubt anybody's credibility is hinging on that one post any more.  Not worth stressing over.  Whether it was deleted and mopped up or the forum just ate it and refuses to shit it back out, that post's presence or absence makes no difference to my opinion, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Faust on March 28, 2011, 07:39:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 07:32:03 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 28, 2011, 07:26:16 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 07:23:46 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 28, 2011, 07:22:51 PM
Its possible to remove the evidence yes. But unlikely and would take more with it. He could have done it from the sql panel but we didn't give him time to do that...

How long would he need?  He's been hollering about this for more than 12 hours.

And he's a coder for a living, I gather.  So "possible" is what I needed to hear.
Its possible, but unlikely, it doesn't take long but i don't think he thought of it.

I remember writing the post, Phox remembers seeing it.

It isn't on PD.

Phox cannot see the admin board, there. 

Something happened to that post.
That's probably the case, best case scenario it was posted in a different thread, worst he deleted it in a fit of rage. He's having a nervous breakdown, and out of feelings of... sympathy?...  I'd almost say argue with him about the other stuff because there's no way to prove or disprove that at this point.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Faust on March 28, 2011, 07:41:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 07:22:57 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on March 28, 2011, 07:20:22 PM
I found no evidence of deleted posts. Either I'm doing it wrong or my screenshot thingy isn't working.

I'd like Faust to explain what the "prune logs" section does.
It removes ALL entries from the logs. As there are entries today and going back a while the forum software wasn't tampered with (even if the sql database was).
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 07:41:48 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 28, 2011, 07:38:00 PM
Honestly, I rather doubt anybody's credibility is hinging on that one post any more.  Not worth stressing over.  Whether it was deleted and mopped up or the forum just ate it and refuses to shit it back out, that post's presence or absence makes no difference to my opinion, for what it's worth.

He seems to be a little fixated.  He's started ANOTHER thread over there, to prove that the missing post is somehow proof that I am an evil mastermind (which may be true) that is out to subjugate all Discordia (which is not true, the job doesn't pay and I don't want it).

He's also posting things in an ever-increasing number of places, and lashing out at anyone who is "on Roger's side" (ie, calling Phox "trash"), and referring to some alt as his "new best friend" for agreeing with him.

Speaking as a person who has had a few difficulties of my own, I think CU is ill.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 07:42:40 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 28, 2011, 07:39:45 PM
That's probably the case, best case scenario it was posted in a different thread, worst he deleted it in a fit of rage. He's having a nervous breakdown, and out of feelings of... sympathy?...  I'd almost say argue with him about the other stuff because there's no way to prove or disprove that at this point.

Doesn't matter.  I am now the center of some weird conspiracy to hold Discordia down.   :?
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 07:51:00 PM
Okay, enough is enough.

I now believe that CU is actually ill.  I have some experience in this sort of thing, as many of you may recall, and his behavior seems to indicate a breakdown.

As such, this just stopped being fun.

I am no longer interested in "debating" with him over this mess, and I no longer care about what he thinks he's proven about my actions or my motives (which, apparently, include the unpaid overlordship of all Discordia), and I don't care if this means he thinks he "won".  Nor do I care what further accusations he decides to level, nor any other internet-based games he wishes to play.

I am not in the business of taunting crazy people.

It's over, at least as far as I am concerned.

TGRR,
Has seen this sort of thing at least once before.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 28, 2011, 09:10:22 PM
Yeah, I'm done commenting. You could be completely in the wrong and it still wouldn't matter, because he's around the bend.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on March 28, 2011, 10:39:22 PM
I'm done, you can't argue with crazy...
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 10:44:07 PM
Quote from: Khara on March 28, 2011, 10:39:22 PM
I'm done, you can't argue with crazy...

I think things have calmed down.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 10:44:59 PM
Yup.  I lost it.  Have I found it yet?  Probably not.  

But an unreserved apology to everyone.  Taking it off-forum to piss off Roger more, ended up pissing on everyone else too.  Stupid stupid obvious stupid.

Sorry folks.

I'll be around again when I have a better idea that I have found "it".
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2011, 10:46:27 PM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on March 28, 2011, 10:44:59 PM
Yup.  I lost it.  Have I found it yet?  Probably not.  

But an unreserved apology to everyone.  Taking it off-forum to piss off Roger more, ended up pissing on everyone else too.  Stupid stupid obvious stupid.

Sorry folks.

I'll be around again when I have a better idea that I have found "it".

I posted "5 questions" about the board over at EB&G.  You might want to mull over them while you look for "it".

Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 28, 2011, 11:04:10 PM
Everyone lets their inner shithead loose once in a while.

The test of character is how a person reacts once they realize their inner shithead is on the rampage.

So, apology accepted.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 28, 2011, 11:08:30 PM
Apology accepted. Take it easy.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: LMNO on March 29, 2011, 01:01:53 PM
This resolved itself surprisingly well.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: Adios on March 29, 2011, 04:57:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 29, 2011, 01:01:53 PM
This resolved itself surprisingly well.

Yes it did.
Title: Re: Roger: An Apology
Post by: BadBeast on March 31, 2011, 10:36:11 PM
I'm really glad that
A/ I missed all this while it was going on, and
B/ It now appears to have reached a better resolution than it could have done, and
C/ My hand didn't get infected when I put a fucking great big fishing hook right through it.