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Are you seriously suggesting that trace minerals work the same on everyone, regardless of the individual's brain chemistry?

Please say yes.

I'm suggesting that deficiency of trace minerals due to improper diet has a predictable effect on an individual's brain chemistry.  Spinach hasn't killed any babies to my knowledge.

Your scarecrow doesn't speak.
Perhaps tedious antagonism will help?

I prefer to think of it as immaturity.

But as long as I'm gazing at my navel I don't have my head up my ass...

Snuff porn fan, are you?

I'm not too particular.
What two russians do with a girl and a hacksaw is their own business.

When cultures come into conflict, bits and pieces of them come off in each other's hearts.

Yeah.  Think we call those bits "bullets".

Or, the Renaissance.

War is how cultures fuck.

So, you're equating "healthy teeth" with "behavior control"?

REALLY?

Well, if you're going to use the argument that promoting clean teeth is in society's best interests since it is a preventative measure, why not explore other preventative measures?

As to Hairy jumping on the HUGE DOSES conclusion like a child in a mud puddle, that's hardly what I'm talking about.  I'm talking about supplementary doses, as would be found in a healthy diet.  You know, eating your greens.  Introducing minerals in water isn't the same as taking care of the nutrition desert effect of low-income neighborhoods, but it would provide benefit to those who could use it.  In this regard it is not substantially different from inclusions of low-level doses of fluoride. 

So, I take your aversion to the idea to indicate that physical health is a matter of public good, but mental health is a personal concern.
WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED?

"Our common enemy has long since won."

Not quite the person to assert that logic will overcome adversity, isn't it?

Congruency isn't one of my strong points.
It would be a mistake to think that I actually agree with my current self, much less my 2-years-ago self.

Why wouldn't you agree with yourself?

Just not so simple as to presume that I understand my own thinking.  /shrug
Besides, this isn't meant to be an introduction thread and I have no intention of hijacking it.

Quite sorry that it seems to have derailed so.

I think maybe I'm having a different conversation than everyone else, accidentally. I don't take issue with fluoride treatments.

Regardless of the substance or it's relative degree of safety, there is a separate issue. Is it right to administer medical treatment through the water supply? Are there other methods of administering this treatment that don't require automatic inclusion without having been previously diagnosed with a condition by a doctor that would require this treatment?

I was hoping to spin the conversation into a direction where issues of the above nature could be discussed, instead of the tired old "fluoride is teh BADZ!" vs "flouride is NOMS!" route, which, I think, has been well explored.

Also, your non-sequitors about water treatment don't make the distinction between treating and purifying water for human consumption, and administering medical treatment through that water. Obviously I believe that water should be treated. Don't insult me.

I'm not making any claims, I'm just not trying to read the same FLUORIDE!!!!!! thread.

So your preference is for an argument on medical ethics?
And you're taking a Kantian standpoint?
I suppose that's legit. 

So, let's move the argument forward.
Adding fluoride is okay, so how about adding alkali metals/earthmetals to prevent behavioral abnormalities and criminal behavior? 
It should be effective and beneficial for a healthy society.  People who have poor nutritional habits are more likely to be poor and have access only to tap water, so why not just solid up the water a bit to help compensate? 

As evidence that it does show benefit, I would offer the fact that such mineral supplements are used in prison food.

So why not?  I suppose tending to the mental health of the underclass is not really a priority like reducing medical expenses. Besides, criminal/abnormal behavior has its uses within the greater society, while the prevalence of such behaviors in prison is only problematic.

"Our common enemy has long since won."

Not quite the person to assert that logic will overcome adversity, isn't it?

Congruency isn't one of my strong points.
It would be a mistake to think that I actually agree with my current self, much less my 2-years-ago self.

You are really putting too much faith in The Conspiracy. It's really not well ordered at all, the left hand does not know what the right is doing.

Thanks for the feedback.  I was talking about a different kind of game.  I'm gonna give more people a chance to read/comment before i can clarify what i'm talking about.  Not because i'd like to preserve the "mystery" (i'm not that kind of douche) but because hardly anyone has seen it and i'm really hoping that someone might know wtf i'm talking about, because that would be a trip.

I think I'm gonna wait until you clarify.

For the sake of discussion, let's assume time is a closed loop and has already happened. Your life has already occurred in the 4th dimension (time) but we can only experience it from moment to moment because we are 3 dimensional creatures passing through a 4th dimensional plane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCQx9U6awFw

In my poorly written rant, life is predetermined. To play the game is to follow the script.  The problem is our consciousness will not allow us to see it in its entirety, we are not sufficiently evolved.  The Game (capitalized) is a code of conduct that allows you to navigate life and it's challenges successfully.  Deviation from (or lack of knowledge of) this code results in the unhappiness and tragedies in your life that you cause to yourself.  Adherence to the code will bring you through the tragedies that happen in your life that effect you, but were outside of your control.

The Game is a complex code of conduct.  Every possible situation, and even moment, has an appropriate response.  While playing the game your responses cause you to lose or gain points or remain neutral.  We strive to improve situations in our everyday lives but how do we know what the best choice is when the future is not visible to us, much less many possible futures?  We can only imagine the potential outcomes using our human brains and making our best guess. Having faith that the game will bring you through each situation eliminates the fear of making the wrong choices because while you are playing, as complex as any social situation or problem may be, the system is intuitive once you start playing.

So what is this code of conduct that is the answer to all of life's woes and will navigate you successfully through life?  Here's where you facepalm Roger.  I only understand this system while high.  While high i look around at others and how they interact with their subjective realities and the environment (reality) you can just tell if they are versed in the game by how well they improvise the script in accordance with the implicit rules.  Optimal choices are apparent for the most part, even including times when people trying to satisfy personal desires. Whether your personal goals are commonly held as noble pursuits or otherwise, you can achieve them.

This happens every time i smoke marijuana. Laugh if you want Roger, but i'm relatively new to the experience. For some reason it affects me profoundly.  I experience things that i discovered by speaking with others and reading online, are quite uncommon.  Not unique, but pretty rare. For example, besides the game and all it's ridiculousness, when people speak i see subtitles. Maybe i imagine it, but i imagine it hard enough to see it without apparent effort. Physical sensations which are somewhat more common than the previous phenomenon include the feeling that i am hula hooping on the deck of a rocking boat.  Sometimes the sensation is localized and centered to a specific point or region of my body (head, neck, solar plexus, gut, groin) Sometimes it encompasses the entire body.

I know people on this forum prefer to argue about drug policy than speak about personal experiences with drugs, but i'd much appreciate any thoughts on similar experiences and/or criticisms/questions regarding what i've already mentioned.  This is my attempt to create original content and just share and experience with you spags

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Here is the secret of the game:
You were born deaf.

No one told you, because they didn't know or didn't care enough to figure it out. 
You have functioned in this state your whole life, only picking up snatches of what is said and inventing your own rules for a type of rudimentary "lip reading".  This is why formalized rules for interaction appeal to you, and why you're aware of your compensating mechanism most acutely when you're in an altered state of consciousness.

Well, it's not really deafness.  That's just a metaphor. It's autism.
You are HFA.  High-functioning autistic. Aspergers syndrome.  W/e.

As far as interpersonal communication goes, it's more debilitating than being deaf.  Depending who you ask, 56-80% of human communication is non-verbal, and the part of your brain which would normally decode this does not work.  As such, like with lip-reading, you have dedicated another part of your brain toward understanding something from an intellectual perspective which would normally be handled by a dedicated, instinctual mechanism. 

So, there you go.  Life's mysteries laid bare.
You will never be able to connect with another human being like a normal person does.
You are cut off.  Enjoy the existential horror.

You might be surprised how much native culture informed the European settlers and the "American Way of Life."
It is almost always this way.

When cultures come into conflict, bits and pieces of them come off in each other's hearts.
Even if a conflict is so one-sided that it's an ethnic cleansing, the tiny bits of culture from the much smaller side will live on in their enemy.

No one is immune to logic.  Sure people have defenses against it, but ideas incubate, and the right question can destroy any rigid belief.

Truth is truth - both perfect and realistic.
It's just lies are more fun.