Indecision 08 Wingnut thread

[fomenter]

sorry i missed the fun, i was out of town for the new conscription, obama's army argument here is a related article
http://www.examiner.com/a-1683408~Rep__calls_Obama_Marxist__warns_of_dictatorship.html

and some daily mail "new president end of America" wingnuttery
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084111/PETER-HITCHENS-The-night-waved-goodbye-America--best-hope-Earth.html

say goodbye to your guns the constitution and the second amendment http://www.adn.com/politics/story/585071.html

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

That Obamer feller's gonna take awr guns.
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[Elder Iptuous]

why the mullet man? Obama has explicitly said so on change.gov that he plans on an AWB and the ones currently in the pipe are would be more extensive than the last one.
(i am a sucker, and will always bite on teh gun control bait..... )

[tyrannosaurus vex]

There is more to the Constitution than the 2nd amendment, and because he has said he believes the 2nd amendment declares an individual ownership right. And Obama is plainly more concerned with controlling weapons in the inner-city than with disarming the population for some kind of devious master plan.

Besides, civilized countries don't have military-grade weapons available to the general population (except Switzerland). Ultimately, guns are like religion: just because you're allowed to have them, doesn't mean you should.

[Requia ☣]

Fine, ban assault weapons. but what the government declares to be an 'assault weapon' has nothing to do with what an assault weapon was defined as before politicians got involved.  They banned weapons based on the appearance of the gun, ammo capacity, even things that don't relate to combat ability at all like folding stocks, even things found on historical weapons like bayonets.

Oh, and assault weapon bans don't prevent you from buying a selective fire SKS*, which actually is an assault weapon.



*Actually doing it, assault weapon ban or not, would be difficult, takes a fair bit of money, possibly more than the gun is worth, and is probably coved under an automatic weapons ban most states have.

[Iason Ouabache]

Incidentally, my town just flooded.  Like literally.  I was lucky to get across the bridge in time.  In theory, I could go to the other end of town and cross via a small road, then walk all the way back down around....which is what everyone will be doing tomorrow. 

What the fuck. Damn, dude!

Anyone know if Cain is alright? He hasn't been around for awhile.

[fomenter]

Obama and most anti gun politicians are savvy enough to know its a losing issue in America, pre-election the get camoed out and pose with hunters they claim pro hunter and 2ND amendment stances. post election they don't make bold gun grabs they push the anti gun agenda gently down the slippery slope, expect taxes on bullets bad legislation for do nothing ammo identification laws and bans on "the bad type of guns" all of which hurt law abiding citizens right to keep  and bear arms while having no effect (or increasing) the number of crimes committed with guns by criminals (people who by definition ignore the law).

[Kai]

Why do people always equate "anti-assault weapon and pro-safer inter city neighbourhoods" with "anti-guns for safety and protection"?

I really want to know, because I don't see the equation here.

I also don't understand why people have such a hankering NEED to have assault weapons, but thats a question for another time.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I also don't understand why people have such a hankering NEED to have assault weapons, but thats a question for another time.

It's basic strategy and it leads directly to the arms race, megadeath and mutually assured destruction.

Basically if you have a gun and next door gets one then there is a status quo. You have no advantage. However if you get your hands on an assault rifle then you have the advantage.

For some reason logic seems to fly out the window at this point and none of the gun freaks can take on board the concept that maybe their neighbor will get an assault rifle too. This lack of foresight is crucial because without it war would be much less funny.

Mark my words, when the "cold dead hands" squad get the rights to bear assault rifles there'll be a campaign to legalise rocket launchers the very next week. This will continue right up until Johnny redneck is stockpiling Multi yield ICBM's in his back yard 

[Elder Iptuous]

Why do people always equate "anti-assault weapon and pro-safer inter city neighbourhoods" with "anti-guns for safety and protection"?
I also don't understand why people have such a hankering NEED to have assault weapons, but thats a question for another time.

I don't mind if cities (or states for that matter) have legislation to control firearms. (well, i think they should have the right, at least.  i would lobby against it in my city/state.)  but this shouldn't be implemented at the national level. 
I'm curious if you know what the original technical definition of an assault weapon is, versus what the AWB defined it as, versus what the media defines it as? 
Ask Jenne, we have to exercise our rights in order to keep them, even if it means doing things that seem arbitrary or even counterproductive to society. (jk, Jenne)  Honestly, though. the reason for right to bear arms is to defend against the possible tyranny of an overstepping standing army.  it's a deterrent.
Also, come over to my place any time, and we can shoot the browning 1919 and you will get a giant shit eating grin on your face, without feeling the need to commit any crimes.  It's an autonomic response, srsly.

[Kai]

Why do people always equate "anti-assault weapon and pro-safer inter city neighbourhoods" with "anti-guns for safety and protection"?
I also don't understand why people have such a hankering NEED to have assault weapons, but thats a question for another time.

I don't mind if cities (or states for that matter) have legislation to control firearms. (well, i think they should have the right, at least.  i would lobby against it in my city/state.)  but this shouldn't be implemented at the national level. 
I'm curious if you know what the original technical definition of an assault weapon is, versus what the AWB defined it as, versus what the media defines it as? 
Ask Jenne, we have to exercise our rights in order to keep them, even if it means doing things that seem arbitrary or even counterproductive to society. (jk, Jenne)  Honestly, though. the reason for right to bear arms is to defend against the possible tyranny of an overstepping standing army.  it's a deterrent.
Also, come over to my place any time, and we can shoot the browning 1919 and you will get a giant shit eating grin on your face, without feeling the need to commit any crimes.  It's an autonomic response, srsly.

Probably not. I'm not into guns really.

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

Sounds fun to me.
I'm totally into guns.
Also a gun owner.

[fomenter]

Sounds fun to me.
I'm totally into guns.
Also a gun owner.

me too

I also don't understand why people have such a hankering NEED to have assault weapons, but thats a question for another time.

It's basic strategy and it leads directly to the arms race, megadeath and mutually assured destruction.

Basically if you have a gun and next door gets one then there is a status quo. You have no advantage. However if you get your hands on an assault rifle then you have the advantage.

For some reason logic seems to fly out the window at this point and none of the gun freaks can take on board the concept that maybe their neighbor will get an assault rifle too. This lack of foresight is crucial because without it war would be much less funny.

Mark my words, when the "cold dead hands" squad get the rights to bear assault rifles there'll be a campaign to legalise rocket launchers the very next week. This will continue right up until Johnny redneck is stockpiling Multi yield ICBM's in his back yard 

i have known many gun owners and have never met one who is gives cold war escalation as a reason for the guns they own.
you seem to be under the common misperception that guns (or certain types of weapons) are some how inherently evil, they are not its the hands they are in that determines the use they are put to, the street gangs (criminals ) who are at war with each other and who assault civilians during the commission of crimes should not have assault weapons,  but they are criminals  make a law against the weapons and they will ignore it. the gun owners i know would pose no more risk to their families neighbours local shop owners or any one else if the gun they owned was an  assault rifle than they do with the guns they own now. 

[Iason Ouabache]

WND EXCLUSIVE!!!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80584

A group of people are meeting at a McDonald's in Topeka and are plotting to make Nov. 4th into Obama Day, a national holiday that "marks the day America grew up". This obviously proves that Obama is an uppity elitist snob who isn't fit to rule!

[Sir Squid Diddimus]