Right now, as I write this and you read it, we are being showered with harmful amounts of radiation from Japan. Some experts even say we may face a mass extinction event of human, and other land/air animal organisms. I for one am quite scared of the idea, and am thinking of bulging a giant lead castle to save myself and my cats.
http://fukushima.greenaction-japan.org/ (http://fukushima.greenaction-japan.org/)
If you'd done an elementary scan of this page, you'd see we'd actually discussed Fukushima quite recently.
You'd also probably find that people outside of Japan are not being showered with harmful amounts of radiation and that humanity is facing a "mass-extinction event", though Honshu certainly could be.
What is this, spam?
I'm guessing it's just garden-variety DERP.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 13, 2012, 04:19:55 AM
I'm guessing it's just garden-variety DERP.
This seems highly likely.
Sigh.
I kind of want to respond with "NO, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF FUKUSHIMA BECAUSE I TOTALLY LIVE UNDER A ROCK, AND IN FACT THIS WHOLE BOARD IS JUST A SUPPORT GROUP FOR ISOLATED SHUT-INS WHO HAVE NO ACCESS TO INFORMATION ABOUT SIGNIFICANT WORLD EVENTS WHATSOEVER".
Quote from: Cain on May 12, 2012, 01:37:28 PM
If you'd done an elementary scan of this page, you'd see we'd actually discussed Fukushima quite recently.
You'd also probably find that people outside of Japan are not being showered with harmful amounts of radiation and that humanity is facing a "mass-extinction event", though Honshu certainly could be.
I know I'm a few months late, but are you referring to 'if another earthquake hits' here? Or worse?
Quote from: Comedentis of the Fructum on May 12, 2012, 10:08:40 AM
Some experts even say we may face a mass extinction event of human, and other land/air animal organisms.
It's about fucking time.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 12, 2012, 05:36:23 PM
What is this, spam?
Considering it's his only post, and it's been a month, I'd say "yes". He sounds like a one-cause freak, and since he didn't get a choris of Ain't It Awfuls, he left.
I'm not certain of the impact of Fukushima. I know that it will be horrible. It may be the worst accident in the history of Science IMHO. I don't know why this apparent troll decided to post, but I'm sure that the consequences of Fukushima will be long-term and game changing. There was mention of a previous discussion here on he forum. Please tell me where so I can read it.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,32259.0.html
Quote from: Cain on June 21, 2012, 06:17:27 PM
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,32259.0.html
My most sincere thanks sir!
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on June 21, 2012, 06:08:24 PMIt may be the worst accident in the history of Science IMHO.
I think all of Russia and most of Eastern Europe would probably disagree with you. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl)
i thought i read that the reactor 4 cooling pool failing would cause a disaster that overshadows Chernobyl...
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on June 21, 2012, 08:35:58 PM
i thought i read that the reactor 4 cooling pool failing would cause a disaster that overshadows Chernobyl...
That (F4) was the one with the MOX, right?
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 21, 2012, 08:23:40 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on June 21, 2012, 06:08:24 PMIt may be the worst accident in the history of Science IMHO.
I think all of Russia and most of Eastern Europe would probably disagree with you. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl)
Chernobyl was different in terms of scope and consequence.
They've had 26 years to total up the damage.
Here's the WIKI on Fukushima for comparison. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster)
They are both "Level 7" events, but let's take a look at the figures.
Chernobyl had 1 reactor breach.
Fukushima has 3 full meltdowns in progress and a fuel pool at #4 that is in danger of exposure and subsequent unquenchable fire as well.
Both have resulted in explosions on-site and horribly toxic plumes of radioactive waste.
The Japanese don't have half a million Soviet heroes to throw at the problem. The cores at fukushima are so hot thermally and radiologically that robots have failed to operate.
Chernobyl was built far inland in an area where digging under the reactor was feasible as a step in the containment process.
Fukushima is on a coastline in a geologically unstable island chain.
The events are still on-going, but I suspect that the bad news @ Fukushima is still building.
I'm not an expert. Even the things I think I know are only useful to me as a result. I have no place trying to convince people that I have the facts.
Check out Fairewinds.com (http://fairewinds.com) if you really want expert input.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 21, 2012, 08:23:40 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on June 21, 2012, 06:08:24 PMIt may be the worst accident in the history of Science IMHO.
I think all of Russia and most of Eastern Europe would probably disagree with you. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl)
Only because Fukushima's fallout probably ended up in the ocean (which is also bad, but there's no people there).
I was 6 years old when Chernobyl happened, I vaguely remember we shouldn't eat certain vegetables or drink cow's milk for a while (weeks?) and wild mushrooms were discouraged for at least 5-10 years afterwards (because the mycelium is mostly on the surface they grow on and therefore absorbs a lot of radioactive dust).
I wouldn't have a problem saying Fukushima is at least on the same order of magnitude. But it's a bit more that,
for some reason, we won't realize the full extent of contamination until a few years.
And
some reason is of course that the Powers That Be have gotten a lot better in controlling/using mass-media communication than they did in 1986.
There's also the part where Chernobyl released 10 times as much radioactive material into the atmosphere as Fukushima did. It's easy for people who were very young or not alive in 1986 to not realize the scope of that catastrophe, but unless there are further criticality events at Fukushima I don't see any possible way that it even comes close to Chernobyl.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 22, 2012, 06:29:02 PM
There's also the part where Chernobyl released 10 times as much radioactive material into the atmosphere as Fukushima did. It's easy for people who were very young or not alive in 1986 to not realize the scope of that catastrophe, but unless there are further criticality events at Fukushima I don't see any possible way that it even comes close to Chernobyl.
Yep. We had to go inside whenever the cloud passed over.
Not to force the point, however, Chernobyl was before we figured out how to sell options on guilt. Now, we excuse the production of weapons grade plutonium because it can be "recycled" into fast reactor (or thermal with the right permits) fuel. Plutonium is actually quite a bit more problematic for humans than say cesium, or even uranium. If reactor 4 breached, we would have a problem that we don't yet fully understand given how studies on the effects of plutonium usually involve scenarios where the isotopes have been subject to thermonuclear reaction, instead of simple atmospheric dispersion. Reactors should not be allowed to run on plutonium?
Quote from: LuciferX on June 22, 2012, 08:23:52 PM
Not to force the point, however, Chernobyl was before we figured out how to sell options on guilt. Now, we excuse the production of weapons grade plutonium because it can be "recycled" into fast reactor (or thermal with the right permits) fuel. Plutonium is actually quite a bit more problematic for humans than say cesium, or even uranium. If reactor 4 breached, we would have a problem that we don't yet fully understand given how studies on the effects of plutonium usually involve scenarios where the isotopes have been subject to thermonuclear reaction, instead of simple atmospheric dispersion. Reactors should not be allowed to run on plutonium?
Forcing what point? This wasn't the worst disaster. That's all there is to it.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 22, 2012, 08:36:42 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on June 22, 2012, 08:23:52 PM
Not to force the point, however, Chernobyl was before we figured out how to sell options on guilt. Now, we excuse the production of weapons grade plutonium because it can be "recycled" into fast reactor (or thermal with the right permits) fuel. Plutonium is actually quite a bit more problematic for humans than say cesium, or even uranium. If reactor 4 breached, we would have a problem that we don't yet fully understand given how studies on the effects of plutonium usually involve scenarios where the isotopes have been subject to thermonuclear reaction, instead of simple atmospheric dispersion. Reactors should not be allowed to run on plutonium?
Forcing what point? This wasn't the worst disaster. That's all there is to it.
Chernobyl did not use MOX, Fukushima did. Therefore, it is still too early to draw a comparison, I think.
Quote from: LuciferX on June 22, 2012, 08:52:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 22, 2012, 08:36:42 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on June 22, 2012, 08:23:52 PM
Not to force the point, however, Chernobyl was before we figured out how to sell options on guilt. Now, we excuse the production of weapons grade plutonium because it can be "recycled" into fast reactor (or thermal with the right permits) fuel. Plutonium is actually quite a bit more problematic for humans than say cesium, or even uranium. If reactor 4 breached, we would have a problem that we don't yet fully understand given how studies on the effects of plutonium usually involve scenarios where the isotopes have been subject to thermonuclear reaction, instead of simple atmospheric dispersion. Reactors should not be allowed to run on plutonium?
Forcing what point? This wasn't the worst disaster. That's all there is to it.
Chernobyl did not use MOX, Fukushima did. Therefore, it is still too early to draw a comparison, I think.
Jesus H Christ. Whatever. Enjoy digging your heels in, Sparky.
The invasion of Panama was actually just as costly to America's military as the Vietnam War. I mean, there were alot less lives lost but the couple guys who got shot were shot with WAY bigger bullets.
It appears that I did not really use a lot of thought writing that previous post yesterday at 4am. In other circumstances I would probably have wiki'd some more details about either one.
I thought the thing with Fukushima was that it's going to keep on getting worse for a while first--but it's 4am again (really WTF, TIME?) so don't mind me. Fuck it's even hard enough to write a coherent post about that you guys shouldn't pay attention to these incoherent posts
Do you know that Fukushima probably isn't dangerous because nuclear power isn't dangerous because thorium fusion nuclear power isn't dangerous, even though that hasn't really been developed yet and Fukushima isn't thorium-driven. But anyways, nuclear power isn't that dangerous really.
At least that's what the nuclear power advocates I know say.
SRLSLY, it isn't dangerous at all, it's just, like, don't worry. It'll sort itself out after a while (that's probably true, though. A few thousand years only).
I'd say Fukushima probably isn't dangerous because I'm unlikely to ever go to Japan. :lulz:
Quote from: Lenin/McCarthy on June 23, 2012, 04:41:13 AM
Do you know that Fukushima probably isn't dangerous because nuclear power isn't dangerous because thorium fusion nuclear power isn't dangerous, even though Fukushima isn't thorium-driven. But ...
Let me clarify. Thorium fusion has not been invented because that makes no sense...
Thorium is not suitable for fusion.
Thorium can be used in MOX
Fukushima was MOX driven
Therefore?
Fukishima will be the end of all vertebrate life on the planet.
Fukushima is the cancer that's killing PD.
The bottom line right now is that we actually don't know the scope of the Fukushima disaster, and probably will not know for years.
I know that the West coast of the US has experienced elevated radiation levels from Fukushima for several months. That data is not officially available anywhere, and that in combination is not a very good sign.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 23, 2012, 02:41:53 PM
Fukushima is the cancer that's killing PD.
I just shot chai out my nose.
Ouch.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2012, 01:27:43 AM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 23, 2012, 02:41:53 PM
Fukushima is the cancer that's killing PD.
I just shot chai out my nose.
Ouch.
NEWSFEED
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 23, 2012, 03:50:59 PM
The bottom line right now is that we actually don't know the scope of the Fukushima disaster, and probably will not know for years.
I know that the West coast of the US has experienced elevated radiation levels from Fukushima for several months. That data is not officially available anywhere, and that in combination is not a very good sign.
Yeah...I just keep bumping into "IT'S NOT THAT BAD!"
Probably need a geiger counter for the produce section... :x
The general direction of the prevailing surface-level winds would make that more of a concern if you lived in Korea or eastern Russia. I have no idea if the radioactive particles released would make it high enough into the atmopshere to catch the polar jet stream, which would be of some concern (particularly for those of us who live in Oregon). It's my understanding that the really dangerous isotopes are too heavy to be carried across the Pacific by the ocean currents very effectively which also makes me think that they would be unlikely to make it all the way up to the polar jet stream, though I'm certainly no scientist and could be misinformed about that.
That said, I'm not buying tuna from Japan or the western Pacific anytime soon.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 25, 2012, 01:56:28 AM
The general direction of the prevailing surface-level winds would make that more of a concern if you lived in Korea or eastern Russia. I have no idea if the radioactive particles released would make it high enough into the atmopshere to catch the polar jet stream, which would be of some concern (particularly for those of us who live in Oregon). It's my understanding that the really dangerous isotopes are too heavy to be carried across the Pacific by the ocean currents very effectively which also makes me think that they would be unlikely to make it all the way up to the polar jet stream, though I'm certainly no scientist and could be misinformed about that.
That said, I'm not buying tuna from Japan or the western Pacific anytime soon.
AZ is already radioactive as fuck. A little more can't hurt.
Thinking about it more, the evidence from Chernobyl seems to bear that out, as the fallout was spread west and north by surface-level winds and NOT east by the jet stream.
I heard early on that the rain would catch it in the atmosphere and carry it down, and to avoid streams and the like in the western states.
Not sure how they irrigate crops... :x
I'm open to any scientific evidence that it could make it across the Pacific in the atmosphere, but until then it seems highly doubtful for the reasons I posted. Surface winds tend to blow southeast to northwest across that part of Japan. And given how frequent the storms in the Pacific are, it seems likely that rain would flush it out before it reached the west coast even if the prevailing winds turned around long enough to theoretically carry it that far. I'm pretty sure that I'm exposed to more radiation due to how frequently I fly in a year than I would be in a lifetime of Fukushima.
Of course, my opinion is strictly based on what we know NOW about the disaster and not on any possible future further worsening of the problem. And like I said, I could be wrong, but for now I'm not buying in to the fear.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2012, 01:59:43 AM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 25, 2012, 01:56:28 AM
The general direction of the prevailing surface-level winds would make that more of a concern if you lived in Korea or eastern Russia. I have no idea if the radioactive particles released would make it high enough into the atmopshere to catch the polar jet stream, which would be of some concern (particularly for those of us who live in Oregon). It's my understanding that the really dangerous isotopes are too heavy to be carried across the Pacific by the ocean currents very effectively which also makes me think that they would be unlikely to make it all the way up to the polar jet stream, though I'm certainly no scientist and could be misinformed about that.
That said, I'm not buying tuna from Japan or the western Pacific anytime soon.
AZ is already radioactive as fuck. A little more can't hurt.
I just learned that if you lived in my hometown between 1950 and 1970 and you contract any kind of cancer during your lifetime, there is some government program that will cause Uncle Sam to write you a check for between $50,000 and $100,000 just for proving you lived there during those years.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 25, 2012, 02:34:40 AM
I'm open to any scientific evidence that it could make it across the Pacific in the atmosphere, but until then it seems highly doubtful for the reasons I posted. Surface winds tend to blow southeast to northwest across that part of Japan. And given how frequent the storms in the Pacific are, it seems likely that rain would flush it out before it reached the west coast even if the prevailing winds turned around long enough to theoretically carry it that far. I'm pretty sure that I'm exposed to more radiation due to how frequently I fly in a year than I would be in a lifetime of Fukushima.
Of course, my opinion is strictly based on what we know NOW about the disaster and not on any possible future further worsening of the problem. And like I said, I could be wrong, but for now I'm not buying in to the fear.
All I know is that UC Davis and, allegedly, the EPA (which, oddly, I can't find official records of online even though they have a website specifically for that data) measured significantly elevated radiation levels (about five times normal) on the California coast in February, and that there is no official government data publicly available at this time, despite the supposed-to-be-publicly-available quarterly milk, rainwater, drinking water, and atmospheric readings done routinely by the EPA. It is unusual.
http://www.epa.gov/radnet/radnet-data/index.html
If you go to the envirofacts link, you can find all the milk/precipitation/surface water/drinking water data.
I didn't look up every single isotope in every single medium, but even though there were upticks in certain isotopes a few months after Fukushima (Cesium-137 in precipitation, for example), the levels aren't anywhere near high enough to be alarming. I'm assuming that the EPA is publishing accurate data, otherwise the conversation descends into CT territory and there's no point in having it.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 25, 2012, 10:52:42 PM
I didn't look up every single isotope in every single medium, but even though there were upticks in certain isotopes a few months after Fukushima (Cesium-137 in precipitation, for example), the levels aren't anywhere near high enough to be alarming. I'm assuming that the EPA is publishing accurate data, otherwise the conversation descends into CT territory and there's no point in having it.
I work with the EPA fairly regularly. I've never known them to tolerate a cover up. Note that this is NOT saying that such cover ups cannot happen, just that I have never seen any evidence of it.
I also now assume that the "stay indoors from X to Y time" warnings during Chernobyl was a bunch of shit, given the wind information supplied by ECH. Given that it took place during the Reagan years, I am now amazed that I never questioned it before.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2012, 10:55:42 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 25, 2012, 10:52:42 PM
I didn't look up every single isotope in every single medium, but even though there were upticks in certain isotopes a few months after Fukushima (Cesium-137 in precipitation, for example), the levels aren't anywhere near high enough to be alarming. I'm assuming that the EPA is publishing accurate data, otherwise the conversation descends into CT territory and there's no point in having it.
I work with the EPA fairly regularly. I've never known them to tolerate a cover up. Note that this is NOT saying that such cover ups cannot happen, just that I have never seen any evidence of it.
I also now assume that the "stay indoors from X to Y time" warnings during Chernobyl was a bunch of shit, given the wind information supplied by ECH. Given that it took place during the Reagan years, I am now amazed that I never questioned it before.
Depends. If you were stationed in Germany, those warnings would have had some merit at the time. And again, I'm only speculating that the heavy isotopes would be unlikely to make it up into the jet stream in substantial concentrations, that doesn't mean I might not be wrong. But if you were in the states and they told you to stay indoors, even if there WAS some scientific rationale for it, I can't imagine how it would have been confined to a particular time of day.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 25, 2012, 11:08:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2012, 10:55:42 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 25, 2012, 10:52:42 PM
I didn't look up every single isotope in every single medium, but even though there were upticks in certain isotopes a few months after Fukushima (Cesium-137 in precipitation, for example), the levels aren't anywhere near high enough to be alarming. I'm assuming that the EPA is publishing accurate data, otherwise the conversation descends into CT territory and there's no point in having it.
I work with the EPA fairly regularly. I've never known them to tolerate a cover up. Note that this is NOT saying that such cover ups cannot happen, just that I have never seen any evidence of it.
I also now assume that the "stay indoors from X to Y time" warnings during Chernobyl was a bunch of shit, given the wind information supplied by ECH. Given that it took place during the Reagan years, I am now amazed that I never questioned it before.
Depends. If you were stationed in Germany, those warnings would have had some merit at the time. And again, I'm only speculating that the heavy isotopes would be unlikely to make it up into the jet stream in substantial concentrations, that doesn't mean I might not be wrong. But if you were in the states and they told you to stay indoors, even if there WAS some scientific rationale for it, I can't imagine how it would have been confined to a particular time of day.
I went in in 1987. At the time of the Chernobyl fire, I was in Naperville, Illinois.
Well then I'd say Reagan gave you good advice anyway, just for the wrong reason. I mean, who wants to be out and about in Naperville? It's just as bad as Joliet or Rockford, just for the opposite reasons.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 26, 2012, 12:22:15 AM
Well then I'd say Reagan gave you good advice anyway, just for the wrong reason. I mean, who wants to be out and about in Naperville? It's just as bad as Joliet or Rockford, just for the opposite reasons.
It wasn't too bad from 79-87, when I lived there. When I got out of the service and went back, it had somehow turned into fucking Barrington.
Why are you focused on winds? It's in the water, both rain and seawater.
The heavier isotopes are extremely unlikely to make it from Japan to Oregon in a concentration that concerns me via water-borne delivery. And the prevailing wind patterns ARE the prevailing rain patterns.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on July 19, 2012, 04:59:39 PM
The heavier isotopes are extremely unlikely to make it from Japan to Oregon in a concentration that concerns me via water-borne delivery. And the prevailing wind patterns ARE the prevailing rain patterns.
Nope... the prevailing rain contamination patterns correspond with ocean currents.
It is also worth considering the effects of bio accumulation. Reactors are not going to stop leeching radioactive waste into the ecosystem for quite some time. The particles are often chemical mimics of other elements. IIRC plutonium is an iron mimic for example. They can be carried by almost any life form, and the higher up the chain a life form is the greater the concentration becomes over time. It is a vector that takes longer to spread, but it is not readily detected as the creature must often be chemically processed to release the radioactive particles.
It's seems a little too morbid and pointless to me to try to prove which disaster is worse, but whatever the truth is the problem from both reactors will persist for generations. Even the "coffin" that the Chernobyl reactor is encased in is only a temporary measure. The radioactive material inside of it is infinitely patient and will steadily burn through it. The cost of building it was immense in terms of material expense and lives. We NEED at least 3 more similar efforts in Japan, and after that we will have bought time to figure out the riddle of how to move something you cannot get close enough to touch.
Then we need to hope or pray or whatever that the other containment on the hundreds of other reactors world wide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_reactors) remains perfect in function. Of course this is impossible, entropy being what it is.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on July 20, 2012, 03:36:18 AM
It is also worth considering the effects of bio accumulation. Reactors are not going to stop leeching radioactive waste into the ecosystem for quite some time. The particles are often chemical mimics of other elements. IIRC plutonium is an iron mimic for example. They can be carried by almost any life form, and the higher up the chain a life form is the greater the concentration becomes over time. It is a vector that takes longer to spread, but it is not readily detected as the creature must often be chemically processed to release the radioactive particles.
It's seems a little too morbid and pointless to me to try to prove which disaster is worse, but whatever the truth is the problem from both reactors will persist for generations. Even the "coffin" that the Chernobyl reactor is encased in is only a temporary measure. The radioactive material inside of it is infinitely patient and will steadily burn through it. The cost of building it was immense in terms of material expense and lives. We NEED at least 3 more similar efforts in Japan, and after that we will have bought time to figure out the riddle of how to move something you cannot get close enough to touch.
Then we need to hope or pray or whatever that the other containment on the hundreds of other reactors world wide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_reactors) remains perfect in function. Of course this is impossible, entropy being what it is.
Yep.
Historically, escalating technology seems to come with escalating problems, due to unintended consequences from solutions to other problems.
It's a bit of a dilemma.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 20, 2012, 03:42:44 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on July 20, 2012, 03:36:18 AM
It is also worth considering the effects of bio accumulation. Reactors are not going to stop leeching radioactive waste into the ecosystem for quite some time. The particles are often chemical mimics of other elements. IIRC plutonium is an iron mimic for example. They can be carried by almost any life form, and the higher up the chain a life form is the greater the concentration becomes over time. It is a vector that takes longer to spread, but it is not readily detected as the creature must often be chemically processed to release the radioactive particles.
It's seems a little too morbid and pointless to me to try to prove which disaster is worse, but whatever the truth is the problem from both reactors will persist for generations. Even the "coffin" that the Chernobyl reactor is encased in is only a temporary measure. The radioactive material inside of it is infinitely patient and will steadily burn through it. The cost of building it was immense in terms of material expense and lives. We NEED at least 3 more similar efforts in Japan, and after that we will have bought time to figure out the riddle of how to move something you cannot get close enough to touch.
Then we need to hope or pray or whatever that the other containment on the hundreds of other reactors world wide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_reactors) remains perfect in function. Of course this is impossible, entropy being what it is.
Yep.
Historically, escalating technology seems to come with escalating problems, due to unintended consequences from solutions to other problems.
It's a bit of a dilemma.
:lol:
Welcome to Earth!
We have a bit of a dilemma here.
It's not the tech that causes it, it's the addiction of our species to the Easy Fix. It's the mentality that guides our use of what we learn. I really think it's that WE, the species, are the dilemma. Do you do the easy thing that will most likely do for now, or do you do the much more difficult and demanding thing that just might be better in the long run?
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on July 20, 2012, 03:51:54 AM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 20, 2012, 03:42:44 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on July 20, 2012, 03:36:18 AM
It is also worth considering the effects of bio accumulation. Reactors are not going to stop leeching radioactive waste into the ecosystem for quite some time. The particles are often chemical mimics of other elements. IIRC plutonium is an iron mimic for example. They can be carried by almost any life form, and the higher up the chain a life form is the greater the concentration becomes over time. It is a vector that takes longer to spread, but it is not readily detected as the creature must often be chemically processed to release the radioactive particles.
It's seems a little too morbid and pointless to me to try to prove which disaster is worse, but whatever the truth is the problem from both reactors will persist for generations. Even the "coffin" that the Chernobyl reactor is encased in is only a temporary measure. The radioactive material inside of it is infinitely patient and will steadily burn through it. The cost of building it was immense in terms of material expense and lives. We NEED at least 3 more similar efforts in Japan, and after that we will have bought time to figure out the riddle of how to move something you cannot get close enough to touch.
Then we need to hope or pray or whatever that the other containment on the hundreds of other reactors world wide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_reactors) remains perfect in function. Of course this is impossible, entropy being what it is.
Yep.
Historically, escalating technology seems to come with escalating problems, due to unintended consequences from solutions to other problems.
It's a bit of a dilemma.
:lol:
Welcome to Earth!
We have a bit of a dilemma here.
It's not the tech that causes it, it's the addiction of our species to the Easy Fix. It's the mentality that guides our use of what we learn. I really think it's that WE, the species, are the dilemma. Do you do the easy thing that will most likely do for now, or do you do the much more difficult and demanding thing that just might be better in the long run?
Yep.
That, in a nutshell, is what I'm in school to study and hopefully someday understand. But explaining it's complicated, so usually I just say "epidemiology", because that gets a glimmer of recognition and/or an approving nod 70% of the time. :lol:
This youtube link here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x42qi7Fz1L0&feature=g-vrec) is an interesting and maddening look at the mentality of the pro nuclear. The links in the description lead to more of the same. This just happened to be at the top of the YT list for my recommended viewing when I ducked out of here for a few minutes after the last post. I'm going to listen to the whole speech before I crash tonight and read the articles over the next few days, but at a glance it seems like it'll be a bunch of shit-diving. If I find any real pearls I'll post them here.
QuoteYep.
That, in a nutshell, is what I'm in school to study and hopefully someday understand. But explaining it's complicated, so usually I just say "epidemiology", because that gets a glimmer of recognition and/or an approving nod 70% of the time. :lol:
I've been studying it on my own for quite some time. It's an important puzzle to solve! Maybe we can compare notes someday.
Gotta crash and get to work in the morning. Peace, I'll be back later!
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 20, 2012, 03:06:08 AM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on July 19, 2012, 04:59:39 PM
The heavier isotopes are extremely unlikely to make it from Japan to Oregon in a concentration that concerns me via water-borne delivery. And the prevailing wind patterns ARE the prevailing rain patterns.
Nope... the prevailing rain contamination patterns correspond with ocean currents.
you got a link or citation? I don't disbelieve you, but it seems counterintuitive.
People on facebook have been posting pictures of deformed plants and animals in the US and panicking that it's from Fukushima.
Of course it's facebook and WE HAVE PLENTY OF TOXIC CRAP OF OUR OWN THAT FUCKS THINGS UP, but I'm not totally ruling it out.
And even so, when large groups of people go looking for something they sometimes end up discovering normal patterns on a large scale and panic about why it is happening. Anyone remember the dead fish and birds from a few years back?
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on July 20, 2012, 05:26:20 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 20, 2012, 03:06:08 AM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on July 19, 2012, 04:59:39 PM
The heavier isotopes are extremely unlikely to make it from Japan to Oregon in a concentration that concerns me via water-borne delivery. And the prevailing wind patterns ARE the prevailing rain patterns.
Nope... the prevailing rain contamination patterns correspond with ocean currents.
you got a link or citation? I don't disbelieve you, but it seems counterintuitive.
Counterintuitive how? Rainwater in coastal areas is largely evaporate from the ocean's surface.
I think I posted links earlier in the thread. If I have time later today I'll find and repost them.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on July 20, 2012, 03:36:18 AM
It is also worth considering the effects of bio accumulation. Reactors are not going to stop leeching radioactive waste into the ecosystem for quite some time. The particles are often chemical mimics of other elements. IIRC plutonium is an iron mimic for example. They can be carried by almost any life form, and the higher up the chain a life form is the greater the concentration becomes over time. It is a vector that takes longer to spread, but it is not readily detected as the creature must often be chemically processed to release the radioactive particles.
It's seems a little too morbid and pointless to me to try to prove which disaster is worse, but whatever the truth is the problem from both reactors will persist for generations. Even the "coffin" that the Chernobyl reactor is encased in is only a temporary measure. The radioactive material inside of it is infinitely patient and will steadily burn through it. The cost of building it was immense in terms of material expense and lives. We NEED at least 3 more similar efforts in Japan, and after that we will have bought time to figure out the riddle of how to move something you cannot get close enough to touch.
Then we need to hope or pray or whatever that the other containment on the hundreds of other reactors world wide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_reactors) remains perfect in function. Of course this is impossible, entropy being what it is.
Not that I consume anything other than pure light, another handy way to "increase" the gradient of that vector is to describe bio-magnification, in addition to accumulation. I tnk magnification is supposed to be when you factor exposure to greater concentrations as you move up the predator ranks. Humans that eat big fish that eat smaller fish that eat littler fish etc... Essentially it's just to show that the accumulation is not linear, it's worse, if you practice unholy acts like whatever it is you do with the fishy fish-sticks :lulz:
(eh, sorry about the hair splitting, I don't even think magnification is part of the lexicon anymore and was adequatly described by your account of accumulation, like I said :lol:
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 21, 2012, 03:25:02 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on July 20, 2012, 05:26:20 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 20, 2012, 03:06:08 AM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on July 19, 2012, 04:59:39 PM
The heavier isotopes are extremely unlikely to make it from Japan to Oregon in a concentration that concerns me via water-borne delivery. And the prevailing wind patterns ARE the prevailing rain patterns.
Nope... the prevailing rain contamination patterns correspond with ocean currents.
you got a link or citation? I don't disbelieve you, but it seems counterintuitive.
Counterintuitive how? Rainwater in coastal areas is largely evaporate from the ocean's surface.
I think I posted links earlier in the thread. If I have time later today I'll find and repost them.
Yeah, I don't know why I had a case of the dumb on that one.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on July 21, 2012, 10:07:02 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 21, 2012, 03:25:02 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on July 20, 2012, 05:26:20 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 20, 2012, 03:06:08 AM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on July 19, 2012, 04:59:39 PM
The heavier isotopes are extremely unlikely to make it from Japan to Oregon in a concentration that concerns me via water-borne delivery. And the prevailing wind patterns ARE the prevailing rain patterns.
Nope... the prevailing rain contamination patterns correspond with ocean currents.
you got a link or citation? I don't disbelieve you, but it seems counterintuitive.
Counterintuitive how? Rainwater in coastal areas is largely evaporate from the ocean's surface.
I think I posted links earlier in the thread. If I have time later today I'll find and repost them.
Yeah, I don't know why I had a case of the dumb on that one.
Proof that it happens to the best of us.
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Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on July 19, 2012, 04:59:39 PM
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Quote from: LuciferX on July 21, 2012, 08:49:18 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on July 20, 2012, 03:36:18 AM
It is also worth considering the effects of bio accumulation. Reactors are not going to stop leeching radioactive waste into the ecosystem for quite some time. The particles are often chemical mimics of other elements. IIRC plutonium is an iron mimic for example. They can be carried by almost any life form, and the higher up the chain a life form is the greater the concentration becomes over time. It is a vector that takes longer to spread, but it is not readily detected as the creature must often be chemically processed to release the radioactive particles.
It's seems a little too morbid and pointless to me to try to prove which disaster is worse, but whatever the truth is the problem from both reactors will persist for generations. Even the "coffin" that the Chernobyl reactor is encased in is only a temporary measure. The radioactive material inside of it is infinitely patient and will steadily burn through it. The cost of building it was immense in terms of material expense and lives. We NEED at least 3 more similar efforts in Japan, and after that we will have bought time to figure out the riddle of how to move something you cannot get close enough to touch.
Then we need to hope or pray or whatever that the other containment on the hundreds of other reactors world wide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_reactors) remains perfect in function. Of course this is impossible, entropy being what it is.
Not that I consume anything other than pure light, another handy way to "increase" the gradient of that vector is to describe bio-magnification, in addition to accumulation. I tnk magnification is supposed to be when you factor exposure to greater concentrations as you move up the predator ranks. Humans that eat big fish that eat smaller fish that eat littler fish etc... Essentially it's just to show that the accumulation is not linear, it's worse, if you practice unholy acts like whatever it is you do with the fishy fish-sticks :lulz:
(eh, sorry about the hair splitting, I don't even think magnification is part of the lexicon anymore and was adequatly described by your account of accumulation, like I said :lol:
:lol: The dude in the youtube link I posted earlier ITT was apparently an avid consumer of radioactive materials.. to prove their safety. If you stick to pure light I'm sure you'll be just fine! Probably pretty hungry though.
Here's a fun bit from one of the articles linked in the description.
Wednesday, 27 April 2011 06:00
Fukushima: Just How Dangerous Is Radiation? (http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/6931)
Quote
Even more irony comes from the land of liberals, California — home to Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, and Governor Jerry Brown — where many residents are fearful of the effects of radioactive particles carried on the winds from Japan. UConn physics professor emeritus Howard Hayden points out in his newsletter, The Energy Advocate, that the joke is on the Californians who are now gobbling down potassium iodine pills to saturate their thyroids in an attempt to block an accumulation of radioactive iodine. The "K" in KI pills is potassium, a small percentage of which is radioactive Potassium 40. In an attempt to avoid barely detectable amounts of Iodine 131, they are ingesting easily measurable amounts of bone-seeking Potassium 40. Actually this radiation won't bother them either, although the pills are not gentle on the digestive system and give the same symptoms — nausea and cramping — as does real radiation sickness, which has afflicted no one in Japan, let alone thousands of miles away in the United States.
Note that this was back before the scale of the disaster was officially admitted to be level 7. When Chernobyl went all, well, Chernobyl the Russian government did nothing to inform the citizens and world at first. The more things change the more they stay the same. If you read the article do note the number of assumptions the author is making to produce his quite accurate comparative math.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on July 22, 2012, 09:20:15 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on July 21, 2012, 08:49:18 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on July 20, 2012, 03:36:18 AM
It is also worth considering the effects of bio accumulation. Reactors are not going to stop leeching radioactive waste into the ecosystem for quite some time. The particles are often chemical mimics of other elements. IIRC plutonium is an iron mimic for example. They can be carried by almost any life form, and the higher up the chain a life form is the greater the concentration becomes over time. It is a vector that takes longer to spread, but it is not readily detected as the creature must often be chemically processed to release the radioactive particles.
It's seems a little too morbid and pointless to me to try to prove which disaster is worse, but whatever the truth is the problem from both reactors will persist for generations. Even the "coffin" that the Chernobyl reactor is encased in is only a temporary measure. The radioactive material inside of it is infinitely patient and will steadily burn through it. The cost of building it was immense in terms of material expense and lives. We NEED at least 3 more similar efforts in Japan, and after that we will have bought time to figure out the riddle of how to move something you cannot get close enough to touch.
Then we need to hope or pray or whatever that the other containment on the hundreds of other reactors world wide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_reactors) remains perfect in function. Of course this is impossible, entropy being what it is.
Not that I consume anything other than pure light, another handy way to "increase" the gradient of that vector is to describe bio-magnification, in addition to accumulation. I tnk magnification is supposed to be when you factor exposure to greater concentrations as you move up the predator ranks. Humans that eat big fish that eat smaller fish that eat littler fish etc... Essentially it's just to show that the accumulation is not linear, it's worse, if you practice unholy acts like whatever it is you do with the fishy fish-sticks :lulz:
(eh, sorry about the hair splitting, I don't even think magnification is part of the lexicon anymore and was adequatly described by your account of accumulation, like I said :lol:
:lol: The dude in the youtube link I posted earlier ITT was apparently an avid consumer of radioactive materials.. to prove their safety. If you stick to pure light I'm sure you'll be just fine! Probably pretty hungry though.
Here's a fun bit from one of the articles linked in the description.
Wednesday, 27 April 2011 06:00
Fukushima: Just How Dangerous Is Radiation? (http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/6931)
Quote
Even more irony comes from the land of liberals, California — home to Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, and Governor Jerry Brown — where many residents are fearful of the effects of radioactive particles carried on the winds from Japan. UConn physics professor emeritus Howard Hayden points out in his newsletter, The Energy Advocate, that the joke is on the Californians who are now gobbling down potassium iodine pills to saturate their thyroids in an attempt to block an accumulation of radioactive iodine. The "K" in KI pills is potassium, a small percentage of which is radioactive Potassium 40. In an attempt to avoid barely detectable amounts of Iodine 131, they are ingesting easily measurable amounts of bone-seeking Potassium 40. Actually this radiation won't bother them either, although the pills are not gentle on the digestive system and give the same symptoms — nausea and cramping — as does real radiation sickness, which has afflicted no one in Japan, let alone thousands of miles away in the United States.
Note that this was back before the scale of the disaster was officially admitted to be level 7. When Chernobyl went all, well, Chernobyl the Russian government did nothing to inform the citizens and world at first. The more things change the more they stay the same. If you read the article do note the number of assumptions the author is making to produce his quite accurate comparative math.
Wow, I guess it goes to show that our humanity thingie might just be working after all, despite our best efforts to ignore it :horrormirth:
Here is my Guess about what took place PRIOR to
the Maid 4 Prime Time Tv Explosion . Realizing 8.9 would B9 an order
was handed down to create the Maid4P . Their4 what WAS reported
as an /-/ was really not. H explosions rise Quickly in the air and R
not Black or even dark gray, with rising slowly features .
(this is my guess & of course i have no proof
as far as the fall out on SW Salmon st between Park & 10th
yes there R fish odors, not everY day, but more often then normal
Sat/Fri 6:34 Live from Washington | games ? {WW)
Yeah" Anyway the trip to the Mus ?went well? /-/owever
the Bridge We | P&me .. went to see ? WAS NOT 1 of 5 | by by
Fri/Thur? the Italian Din went Well? cost under control
the trip there and back was HeLL/HEll/ /-/ e LL reaLLy bad SmeLL.
as far as Fri b4 Sat it is the Monet at the Museum 6PM / out Rain:
Thur/WEd There was the Water Warning in town{pdx)
for the west side, the Next day Oboma was in town {roomer has it)
Roomer has it { here in the Fountain Apt) that he was relocated
from the Art Museum {Mark Bldg? {Block away |-| to the cONvention
center {on the other side of the River {Williamette) i have 0 idea
of the truth or Falsis of any of these Roomers .
Tues went well enough the max had a Pr Motor cade stop 11:??/Beaverton
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Quote from: hirley0 on July 23, 2012, 11:56:25 PM
Here is my Guess about what took place PRIOR to
the Maid 4 Prime Time Tv Explosion . Realizing 8.9 would B9 an order
was handed down to create the Maid4P . Their4 what WAS reported
as an /-/ was really not. H explosions rise Quickly in the air and R
not Black or even dark gray, with rising slowly features .
(this is my guess & of course i have no proof
as far as the fall out on SW Salmon st between Park & 10th
yes there R fish odors, not ever day, but more often then normal
Hopefully the long lasting nuclear radiation won't cause tentacle monsters to rise from the deep and ravage our women.
The whole thing seems so long ago.
Quote from: Trollbear on July 24, 2012, 11:31:39 PM
Hopefully the long lasting nuclear radiation won't cause tentacle monsters to rise from the deep and ravage our women.
The whole thing seems so long ago.
Thousands and thousands of future leukemia patients find your humor to be fucking hilarious.
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 04:37:06 PM
Quote from: Trollbear on July 24, 2012, 11:31:39 PM
Hopefully the long lasting nuclear radiation won't cause tentacle monsters to rise from the deep and ravage our women.
The whole thing seems so long ago.
Thousands and thousands of future leukemia patients find your humor to be fucking hilarious.
I sure hope so, because i dont find it funny.
I send my best wishes to them.
5:22 msg1173320 date=1336879848 YAY!
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 13, 2012, 04:30:48 AM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 13, 2012, 04:19:55 AM
I'm guessing it's just garden-variety DERP.
This seems highly likely.
Sigh.
I kind of want to respond with "NO, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF FUKUSHIMA BECAUSE I TOTALLY LIVE UNDER A ROCK, AND IN FACT THIS WHOLE BOARD IS JUST A SUPPORT GROUP FOR ISOLATED SHUT-INS WHO HAVE NO ACCESS TO INFORMATION ABOUT SIGNIFICANT WORLD EVENTS WHATSOEVER".
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 25, 2012, 06:43:59 AM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 25, 2012, 02:34:40 AM
I'm open to any scientific evidence that it could make it across the Pacific in the atmosphere, but until then it seems highly doubtful for the reasons I posted. Surface winds tend to blow southeast to northwest across that part of Japan. And given how frequent the storms in the Pacific are, it seems likely that rain would flush it out before it reached the west coast even if the prevailing winds turned around long enough to theoretically carry it that far. I'm pretty sure that I'm exposed to more radiation due to how frequently I fly in a year than I would be in a lifetime of Fukushima.
Of course, my opinion is strictly based on what we know NOW about the disaster and not on any possible future further worsening of the problem. And like I said, I could be wrong, but for now I'm not buying in to the fear.
All I know is that UC Davis and, allegedly, the EPA (which, oddly, I can't find official records of online even though they have a website specifically for that data) measured significantly elevated radiation levels (about five times normal) on the California coast in February, and that there is no official government data publicly available at this time, despite the supposed-to-be-publicly-available quarterly milk, rainwater, drinking water, and atmospheric readings done routinely by the EPA. It is unusual.
NoPE
YaY?
recall now My '96 race for US senate from this state.
Because i was weLL aware at that time | if it was i
iT would be more Maids4 Prome Time Tv.
So?instead of running My campaign against the 1
US Senator {from this State) I ran against Both
of them! i did this by taking a photo copy of A
LegaL document? the government had requested
that i provide them about LegaL documents i
provided FOR THEM. one to each office.
As both had offices in town. I wote a note
"to my self" on the back of each.
Each day for a week i would return to the
enators offices and update my note to
myself for i did assume it was beyound this
OR any government to deal with this
siruation. For your information they BOTH
Resigned. I did attend the swearing in event
held at psu of the replacement? and was
ordered out of the area. i was not allowed
to even be around . So Shirley i have CON
TEMpT , AND PLENTY of it.
Quote from: Sir Bearington on July 25, 2012, 04:40:56 PM
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on July 25, 2012, 04:37:06 PM
Quote from: Trollbear on July 24, 2012, 11:31:39 PM
Hopefully the long lasting nuclear radiation won't cause tentacle monsters to rise from the deep and ravage our women.
The whole thing seems so long ago.
Thousands and thousands of future leukemia patients find your humor to be fucking hilarious.
I sure hope so, because i dont find it funny.
I send my best wishes to them.
going on with this debait anyway
thus i found myself Yesterday waiting to buy cherries in the park
diagonally across the street from the MARK, it was a long wait
as the place is rather crowded and i was there with my Senior
discount $ .. Eventually things began to settle down {about 1o Min
and the gal ask me ? i said $6 / Cherries | handed her A$2bill
& a ?"Voucher"? as i was doing this THOSE who are moving in
to take over were over on the far side, were taking free samples as
fast as their greedy little paws could pick and poke.
so Shirley i have contempt! How Much do you suggest they R
worth? By the minute?/? 1? 5? 10? 25? 50? 100? 1K
i mean reaLLy: just HOW Much
i was opposed to the State Republicans Who in the 90's Sent the
Timbers from this state there, to prop them UP? only to have those
same resources returned to the beaches HERE in their altered form
NO to me it is time for the HARD LINE. Japan, { i mean all 6000 islands
are not worth 1 US dime. got it NOT 1. _________________________
One good factor about japan so far after this catastrophic event is that they are making the best games as of late in ages in order to fill up their coffers.
But they are not localized to the US and Europe. :sad:
Fri 6PM Monet at Museum ? Park entrance: EoD {pROBably
Today at 06:54:20 AM - Today at 05:26:21 AM
Quote from: Sir Bearington on July 26, 2012, 03:54:20 PM
One good factor about japan so far after this catastrophic event is that they are making the best games as of late in ages in order to fill up their coffers.
But they are not localized to the US and Europe. :sad:
so give them all 1hr 28mi & 1 Sec to Rid this planet of
That situation.
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Quote from: hirley0 on July 23, 2012, 11:56:25 PM
Here is my Guess about what took place PRIOR to
the Maid 4 Prime Time Tv Explosion . Realizing 8.9 would B9 an order
was handed down to create the Maid4P . Their4 what WAS reported
as an /-/ was really not. H explosions rise Quickly in the air and R
not Black or even dark gray, with rising slowly features .
(this is my guess & of course i have no proof
as far as the fall out on SW Salmon st between Park & 10th
yes there R fish odors, not everY day, but more often then normal
Got an excuse from the DA for temporarily obstructed to not park signs around when ties that require French attire per formal dinner?...
1165IRAN Quakes at 3?
1161 NOPe T'aint watching traced the creek to "Johnsons"
my guess thats around 165-155=10 To Beaverton creek then underground?
about the route of freeway 217 into Fanno? it must be underground
that is the only explanation i can come up with.
the new explanation Johnson to Beaverton {West) to Rock {WEST then S)
into the Tualatin near Rood Bridge (park} Mystery solved? {{Maybe
1143 yes i was awake at 2 but i was chasing A volcano
thus i did not have my ear phone on & Missed the NHK report about /-/_Ay
1126 not today the latest i heard was 2 yEARs
i changed it to 3? when i heard the TV say 3 | i changed to 3&1/3
7.3 earthquake on the coast of Russia, bunch of other smaller ones all over Asia
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/region/Asia.php
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Hirley0 I'm doing my best to understand your posts, and follow some of the hidden links.
There's definitely some logical coherency to it all, but it's a lot to take in.
I too am familiar with the msmilkytheclown information. Times look to be going toward doomday. Just a bit.
Here's a video update from Gundersen: http://www.fairewinds.com/content/it-could-have-been-worse (http://www.fairewinds.com/content/it-could-have-been-worse)
Here's a link to their copy of the the Team H2O Project Report: http://www.fairewinds.com/content/team-h2o-project-report (http://www.fairewinds.com/content/team-h2o-project-report)
Hopefully you and the others will find the info useful.
Conversely, currency continues climbing:
http://fxtop.com/en/imghisto.php?C1=USD&C2=JPY&A=1&DD1=01&MM1=09&YYYY1=1996&DD2=31&MM2=09&YYYY2=2012&LARGE=2&LANG=en (http://fxtop.com/en/imghisto.php?C1=USD&C2=JPY&A=1&DD1=01&MM1=09&YYYY1=1996&DD2=31&MM2=09&YYYY2=2012&LARGE=2&LANG=en)